LeBron is one of the least creative and most boring passers

[JohnMax]

examples of exciting passers

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Manu-Ginobili-Pass-Through-Kobe-Bryants-Legs.gif

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/curry.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

And OP is one of the least creative and most boring trolls ever

[SaltyMeatballs]

LeBron thread
Ginobili gif

Im not even a LeBron fan, but he does make flashy passes. There's a kajillion gifs on google

[JebronLames]

LeBron is the best passer of all time

[warriorfan]

get into the paint with a high screen or offensive foul and then kick out to the corner for a 3 pointer

lebron with them passing skills :bowdown:

[pastis]

johnmax, warriorfan and illegald are probably the same person.

[Dr Hawk]

LeBron is the best passer of all time

Nash, Magic, Bird, Paul, West, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Payton and some other disagree you ****ing troll

[Lebronxrings]

Nash, Magic, Bird, Paul, West, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Payton and some other disagree you ****ing troll
except lebron is better than most of those guys in passing. Only magic is better. We are talking about a guy who focuses more on scoring then passing and STILL averages more assists over most point guards.

[Dr Hawk]

except lebron is better than most of those guys in passing. Only magic is better. We are talking about a guy who focuses more on scoring then passing and STILL averages more assists over most point guards.

Better than those I named? Not even close

[Gileraracer]

except lebron is better than most of those guys in passing. Only magic is better. We are talking about a guy who focuses more on scoring then passing and STILL averages more assists over most point guards.

better than most of them in passing :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: STOP IT

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You're dumb. Not stacking up against one of the flashiest passers ever in Manu doesn't mean that LeBron is not creative.

[smoovegittar]

Most people don't watch the game for passing. LeBron certainly isn't boring.

[34-24 Footwork]

Most people don't watch the game for passing. LeBron certainly isn't boring.

Lebron is easily the most boring superstar in modern NBA history...unless you REALLY appreciate cherry picked/snowbird tomahawk dunks.

[Milbuck]

Lebron is easily the most boring superstar in modern NBA history...unless you REALLY appreciate cherry picked/snowbird tomahawk dunks.
Go back and watch pre-Miami Cleveland Lebron tape and tell me he was boring.

[k0kakw0rld]

get into the paint with a high screen or offensive foul and then kick out to the corner for a 3 pointer

lebron with them passing skills :bowdown:
Say something relevant instead of trolling like an idiot.

[outbreak]

I'd buy a claim of lebron pumping his assist rate at times with un needed passes but saying he makes boring passes is hilarious

[TemporaMutantur]

k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA)

[smoovegittar]

Lebron is easily the most boring superstar in modern NBA history...unless you REALLY appreciate cherry picked/snowbird tomahawk dunks.

Hell no. I love his expressions...especially when he's ripping tee shirts, headbands and shit.

You want boring? That would be James Harden.

[FireDavidKahn]

Effective >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Flashy

[AirBonner]

Confirmed op doesn't watch basketball

[JohnFreeman]

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ic8w3q.jpg

[Fudge]

Call it boring all you want, but LeGod is probably a top 3 passer of all-time.

Substance over style, baby.

[knicksman]

Effective >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Flashy

Well this is the reason why bran is 2/6. Off the ball scorers>>>>>bran. Effectiveness>>>>>pretty stats

[tmacattack33]

Nash, Magic, Bird, Paul, West, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Payton and some other disagree you ****ing troll

Payton?

Nope.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Well this is the reason why bran is 2/6. Off the ball scorers>>>>>bran. Effectiveness>>>>>pretty stats

2 championships is supposed to be bad now, WHILE being alpha enough to endure the ridicule that comes with switching teams? (Most players that stick to one team are afraid of the criticism that comes with switching teams)

How many current NBA players would be willing to go 2/6? A lot

[AintNoSunshine]

Lebron doesn't get labeled "combination of Jordan and Magic" for nothing. His passing highlight reel is 50x longer than Curry's

[Smoke117]

except lebron is better than most of those guys in passing. Only magic is better. We are talking about a guy who focuses more on scoring then passing and STILL averages more assists over most point guards.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mr_chang_senor_chang_laugh_spits_milk.gif

[ShawkFactory]

I swear some people didn't watch Lebron before last year.

[knicksman]

2 championships is supposed to be bad now, WHILE being alpha enough to endure the ridicule that comes with switching teams? (Most players that stick to one team are afraid of the criticism that comes with switching teams)

How many current NBA players would be willing to go 2/6? A lot

2 rings while colluding. You mustve pretty low standards. He colluded coz hes too weak to win on his own. Definitely an alpha move. Lol

[3ball]

I swear some people didn't watch Lebron before last year.
:rolleyes:

Lebron colluded to win his 2 rings - consequently, he didn't even carry GOAT load to win those rings:

It's statistical fact that 34-35 year old MJ carried a bigger load in 1997 and 1998 playoffs than Lebron in 2012/2013.
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[3ball]

I swear some people didn't watch Lebron before last year.



Lebron colluded to avoid carrying a GOAT load like MJ - old MJ carried a bigger load to win rings in 97' & 98' than prime Lebron carried in 12' & 13':



..........PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................RS......RS 4th.... PO.....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <---- these are links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 34.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 33.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)




PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR (proportion of TO not subtracted)


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 64.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 84.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 73.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 91.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 59.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 76.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 58.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 69.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 69.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 63.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 72.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 62.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 67.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 75.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 75.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 75.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)




PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 45.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 51.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



CLIFFS: Old MJ won his LAST 2 championships while carrying a bigger load than prime Lebron carried while winning his ONLY 2 championships.

(btw, regarding the stats that subtract turnovers - the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash)
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[3ball]

Lebron's passing highlight reel is 50x longer than Curry's



Lebron's playmaking is achieved by reducing the playmaking of his teammates - Lebron significantly lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):. 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'):. 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):. 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with..... Lebron (2015):.. 5.2, 25.0%

Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):.. 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'):.. 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:. 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:.. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:.. 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron:.. 4.1, 20.1%

FYI...

Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 91'-93':. 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95':. 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 96'-98':. 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... So it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can predict/explain the playoff performance of Lebron's teams much better:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers (thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams)?.. The reason is twofold (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60).
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[sportjames23]

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[Black and White]

Nobody spoke about MJ in this thread 3ball........

[3ball]

Nobody spoke about MJ in this thread 3ball........
It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... So it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can predict/explain the playoff performance of Lebron's teams much better:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers, thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams?.. The reason is twofold (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60).

[Black and White]

It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... So it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can predict/explain the playoff performance of Lebron's teams much better:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers, thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams?.. The reason is twofold (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60).

Do you have these essays saved in a word document or something?

Nobody is claiming he's Magic Johnson or something, nor is this thread about his assist ratios or his assists vs. team assists etc. It's about whether he is a creative/flashy passer or not.

[3ball]

Do you have these essays saved in a word document or something?

Nobody is claiming he's Magic Johnson or something, nor is this thread about his assist ratios or his assists vs. team assists etc. It's about whether he is a creative/flashy passer or not.
For an analysis of Lebron's passing to be viable, it must include the reality that his playmaking and APG is achieved by reducing the APG of teammates.

This is statistical fact... And since Lebron reduces his teammates' APG while Magic, MJ, and Bird DIDN'T, he's nowhere near the passer they were.. It's hard to respect a guy's passing when he achieved his assists by reducing teammates' assists.

Furthermore, against the best teams in the playoffs, Lebron's teammates can no longer succeed in their predictable play-finishing roles - they underperform, which causes the TEAM to underperform - meanwhile, he stat-pads and accumulates stats by reducing THEIR playmaking capacity..

Otoh, MJ/Magic/Bird didn't achieve their stats by reducing the stats of teammates, so their teams always played to capacity and had better records in Finals.
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[livingby3's]

what do u do for a living TMZ?

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

As much as I'd like to hope that what Tmz is stating is true, I simply cannot believe it. Lebron is alot of things. Colluder....Coach Killer.... and a lot of things but he is a creative passer. But, he isnt much of a risk taker when it comes to passing so it may look like he isnt flashy when he passes out or when he passes in transition.


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Our King is great!

[lilteapot]

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[PP34Deuce]

One of the best passers of all time.

He's right under magic and kidd and on par with Bird, Nash, and Paul.

Even people that hate Lebron know his biggest strength is passing.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

One of the best passers of all time.

He's right under magic and kidd and on par with Bird, Nash, and Paul.

Even people that hate Lebron know his biggest strength is passing.
He's not on par with Nash and Nash was better than Bird or Paul.

[aj1987]

He's not on par with Nash and Nash was better than Bird or Paul.
As far as playmaking and passing goes, Nash might be on Magic's level.


Better than those I named? Not even close
:wtf:

He's not close to West, Bird, and Payton?

[PP34Deuce]

He's not on par with Nash and Nash was better than Bird or Paul.

He's definitely on Par with Nash. From a creative standpoint, Lebron has done so many WOW passes with speed and accuracy.

Bird had a lot of eyes in the back of his head passes.

[choppermagic]

Lebron is easily the most boring superstar in modern NBA history...unless you REALLY appreciate cherry picked/snowbird tomahawk dunks.


Although seeing Lebron, who is built like a tank, flop around as if he was a 90 pound weakling is hilarious so i guess he gets some entertainment points for flops too.

[Dresta]

As far as playmaking and passing goes, Nash might be on Magic's level.


:wtf:

He's not close to West, Bird, and Payton?
Definitely not.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

He's definitely on Par with Nash. From a creative standpoint, Lebron has done so many WOW passes with speed and accuracy.

Bird had a lot of eyes in the back of his head passes.
No, he's not. Nash was a better and more creative passer than LeBron ever was.

I agree with AJ on Nash being at least close to Magic in terms of passing skill. LeBron just isn't on that level.

[aj1987]

Definitely not.
Actually, he is. They are definitely on the same tier as passers and a tier below Magic, CP3, Nash, Stock, etc..