how could anyone, with a straight face vote for Trumph?

[kurple]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..

[NumberSix]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..
How do people in Europe vote for people who...

A. Want to eliminate their country and become a province of the EU.
B. Eliminate all national/ethnic identities (except for foreign ethnic identities).
C. Want to flood their countries with hostile foreigners.
D. Advocate a currency that benefits Germany and nobody else.
E. Openly hate European people/cultures

[nathanjizzle]

they might have a straight face, but surely have a retarded brain.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Most politicians around the world are a joke. Look no further than the idiot we have in office at the moment.

[UK2K]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..
We became a joke because of Obama, not because Trump is winning polls.

[rufuspaul]

Most politicians around the world are a joke. Look no further than the idiot we have in office at the moment.


Obama got a Nobel Peace prize just for getting elected, and people around the world still hate the U.S. It doesn't matter. Leaders of democracies change all the time. It's the nature of the beast. Obama and Netanyahu hate each other but Barry is pretty friendly with Francois Hollande, indifferent with Merkl and a downright bitch-made ***** with Putin. It doesn't change our foreign policy that much.

[Goro]

We became a joke because of Obama, not because Trump is winning polls.
Right, people loved Bush and Obama was the turning point :rolleyes:

[FillJackson]

and people around the world still hate the U.S.
We became a joke because of Obama, not because Trump is winning polls.Facts (http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/)


America’s overall image around the world remains largely positive. Across the nations surveyed (excluding the U.S.), a median of 69% hold a favorable opinion of the U.S., while just 24% express an unfavorable view. However, there is significant variation among regions and countries.

Since 2008

US approval rating is higher in France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, UK, Turkey, Israel, Palestinian territories, Australia, India, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan, South Korea, Argentina, Brazil,


Down in Russia, Jordan, Lebanon, China, Mexico, Kenya (:lol )

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2015/06/BoP-Report-38.png

[Dresta]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..
No they didn't. Most of the world (especially Europe) has always looked down on America and Americans. Having lots of wealth, and flooding the world with mass culture for mass man does not equal respect.


How do people in Europe vote for people who...

A. Want to eliminate their country and become a province of the EU.
B. Eliminate all national/ethnic identities (except for foreign ethnic identities).
C. Want to flood their countries with hostile foreigners.
D. Advocate a currency that benefits Germany and nobody else.
E. Openly hate European people/cultures


:confusedshrug:

I'm waiting peoples of Europe...

[Bandito]

@Destra: Dont forget that the image the people around have of America is of fat racist rednecks.

People around the world have a low opinion of America since always.

[Patrick Chewing]

Vote for Ted Cruz.

[NumberSix]

Vote for Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz is weak on trade and foreign worker programs. He's also not eligible to be president.

[Nanners]

when hillary inevitably beats bernie in the primaries, i will probably end up voting for trump just because the establishment hates him so damn much. the system is a corrupt joke anyway, why not embrace the joke?

[rufuspaul]

Ted Cruz is weak on trade and foreign worker programs. He's also not eligible to be president.


He's an insane religious fanatic. I'll take the insane real-estate guy over him.

[Dresta]

@Destra: Dont forget that the image the people around have of America is of fat racist rednecks.

People around the world have a low opinion of America since always.
yup, or ignorant and loud-mouthed yankees bloviators; honestly, with the common view Europeans hold of Americans, i'm shocked that the Trump phenomenon surprises them so much. He is pretty representative of what Europeans think of Americans in general tbh.

[Take Your Lumps]

He's an insane religious fanatic. I'll take the insane real-estate guy over him.

The one truly dangerous candidate running right now. Deep roots in Dominionist theology.

[nathanjizzle]

Remember, america invented the internet and computers. everyother country could fucc off with their opinions. they are irrelevant. :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Ted Cruz is weak on trade and foreign worker programs. He's also not eligible to be president.


What happened to you guys? You guys used to be sensible and Conservative and here you are under this Trump spell. Trump is a clown.

And Cruz is perfectly eligible to be President.

[Dresta]

So a few American stereotypes = America being hated? :oldlol:

I'm certain majority of the world sees America as the land of opportunity. People are still trying to do whatever they can to get here. By boats, via student visas, by fake marriages, you name it. That was always the view. And still same views today for most, with a few exceptions like N.Korea, China, Pakistan, some Middle-eastern countries, etc.

And considering some of the issues in places like Western China, South Thailand, have had with Muslims in their own country, safe to say, they've sided with American views on Muslims.

FillJackson's graph there, a couple of posts up shows most of the world are still in favorable of the U.S.Yes, the world's rejects have always sought to find a home in America; just another reason why the rest of the world looks down on the place.

Sure, people can have a "favourable" opinion of someone they don't respect, in the same way people can have a favourable opinion about a stupid uncle always doing stupid things, while still looking down on them. It's easy to think 'favourably' of people who you think you're superior to. My accent is english, and honestly, with the deference and slavishness this gets you from Americans, it's pretty hard not to like them; but i assure you, Europeans do look down on Americans pretty hard.

[Nanners]

Yes, the world's rejects have always sought to find a home in America; just another reason why the rest of the world looks down on the place.

Sure, people can have a "favourable" opinion of someone they don't respect, in the same way people can have a favourable opinion about a stupid uncle always doing stupid things, while still looking down on them. It's easy to think 'favourably' of people who you think you're superior to. My accent is english, and honestly, with the deference and slavishness this gets you from Americans, it's pretty hard not to like them; but i assure you, Europeans do look down on Americans pretty hard.

thats cool, we look down on you too.

[nathanjizzle]

Yes, the world's rejects have always sought to find a home in America; just another reason why the rest of the world looks down on the place.

Sure, people can have a "favourable" opinion of someone they don't respect, in the same way people can have a favourable opinion about a stupid uncle always doing stupid things, while still looking down on them. It's easy to think 'favourably' of people who you think you're superior to. My accent is english, and honestly, with the deference and slavishness this gets you from Americans, it's pretty hard not to like them; but i assure you, Europeans do look down on Americans pretty hard.

the problem is americans dont even think about europeans, they are irrelevant. They dont offer anything that america doesnt. :lol the only use other countries have is for vacation. pretty pathetic.

and your sentiment that people that immigrate to america are "rejects", no idiot, they are brave and ambitious, these traits are in every american, filtered by oceans and fear of change, which is why we are so great and everyone else hates us.

[Nanners]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7OlBdFIxbk seems relevant :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

Europeans do look down on Americans pretty hard.
What are Europeans? :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

What happened to you guys? You guys used to be sensible and Conservative and here you are under this Trump spell. Trump is a clown.

And Cruz is perfectly eligible to be President.
No, he isn't. He was born a canadian citizen and later AQUIRED American citizenship. Yes, as the child of an Amercian he was entitled to American citizenship, but he was absolutely not born an American citizen. He was a canadian citizen before he was an American citizen.

The founders were also VERY clear that they don't recognize the concept of "dual citizenship" for Americans. You're either American, or you're something else, not both.

The SCOTUS has not ruled on the definition of "natural born citizen" because they've never actually had to, but it's meaning to the founders was clear. A person who is born as ONLY a citizen of their state and by extension, the United States.

The entire purpose of specifically adding "natural born citizen" was to exclude the possibility of dual loyalties in a president.

[christian1923]

The candidates are a Mexican, a lady who gets cheated on by her husband, a 90 year old grandpa, and Donald Trump. Amazing how people take politics seriously.

[~primetime~]

Hilary is the only electable candidate. She is much more sophisticated than the others, an actual intellectual. She's already familiar with the ins and outs...and you can't tell me that Bill doesn't have influence on her. Those that hate her just need to own up to the fact that she is far more equipped to be pres than the others.

[Nanners]

i have serious doubts that hillary is capable of winning the general election. that woman has a holocaust worth of skeletons in her closet and they are gonna get dragged out one by one over the next year.

[greymatter]

Yes, the world's rejects have always sought to find a home in America; just another reason why the rest of the world looks down on the place.

Actually, the world's best minds look to get into the US. The world's most prestigious universities are here. It's how the US manages to stay a world leader in medicine and science.

The biggest shithole countries in the world are pretty much in Africa and any countries that enforce sharia law.



Sure, people can have a "favourable" opinion of someone they don't respect, in the same way people can have a favourable opinion about a stupid uncle always doing stupid things, while still looking down on them. It's easy to think 'favourably' of people who you think you're superior to. My accent is english, and honestly, with the deference and slavishness this gets you from Americans, it's pretty hard not to like them; but i assure you, Europeans do look down on Americans pretty hard.

If you're really a Saudi, then it's hardly a surprise. You guys are basically the French of the ME, meaning that all the other ME-ers think you guys are douchebags. I have coworkers from Iran and Iraq. They confirmed that Saudi's are generally a bunch of entitled twits who think of themselves as the cream of the crop. A fresh Saudi university grad working abroad in another ME country almost always goes back to SA if he isn't promoted within 6 months.

What's hilarious about Saudis is that when they look into a mirror, they see Kate Upton while the rest of the world sees Rosie O'donell.

[Dresta]

Hilary is the only electable candidate. She is much more sophisticated than the others, an actual intellectual. She's already familiar with the ins and outs...and you can't tell me that Bill doesn't have influence on her. Those that hate her just need to own up to the fact that she is far more equipped to be pres than the others.
lol.

Nor is putting an "intellectual" (the most pompous of words) in the Presidential chair is not necessarily a good thing. Well, any reason to whack out this speech (well worth reading for anyone who isn't a lazy ass):

[QUOTE]

[Dresta]

Sir, it is their business. I do not blame them. I only say that such a habit of mind unfits men for action; for decision. They want a client to decide for them which side to take; and the really great man performs that office. This habit unfits them for Government in the first degree. The talent for Government lies in these two things, sagacity to perceive, and decision to act. Genuine statesmen were never made such by mere training; nascuntur non fiunt —; education will form good business men. The maxim (nascitur non fit) is as true of statesmen as it is of poets. Let a house be on fire, you will soon see in that confusion who has the talent to command. Let a ship be in danger at sea, and ordinary subordination destroyed, and you will immediately make the same discovery. The ascendancy of mind and of character exists and rises as naturally and as inevitably, where there is free play for it, as material bodies find their level by gravitation. Thus a great logician, like a certain animal, oscillating between the hay on different sides of him, wants some power from without, before he can decide from which bundle to make a trial. Who believes that Washington could write as good a book or report as Jefferson, or make as able a speech as Hamilton? Who is there that believes that Cromwell would have made as good a Judge as Lord Hale? No, Sir; these learned and accomplished men find their proper place under those who are fitted to command, and to command them among the rest. Such a man as Washington will say to a Jefferson, do you become my Secretary of State; to Hamilton, do you take charge of my purse, or that of the nation, which is the same thing; and to Knox, do you be my master of the horse. All history shows this; but great logicians and great scholars are for that very reason unfit to be rulers. Would Hannibal have crossed the Alps when there were no roads, with elephants, in the face of the warlike and hardy mountaineers, and have carried terror to the very gates of Rome if his youth had been spent in poring over books? Would he have been able to maintain himself on the resources of his own genius for sixteen years in Italy, in spite of faction and treachery in the Senate of Carthage, if he had been deep in conic sections and fluxions, and the differential calculus; to say nothing of botany, and mineralogy, and chemistry? “Are you not ashamed,” said a philosopher to one who was born to rule; 'are you not ashamed to play so well upon the flute?' Sir, it was well put. There is much which it becomes a secondary man to know; much that it is necessary for him to know that a first rate man ought to be ashamed to know. No head was ever clear and sound that was stuffed with book learning. You might as well attempt to fatten and strengthen a man by stuffing him with every variety and the greatest quantity of food. After all, the chief must draw upon his subalterns for much that he does not know, and cannot perform himself.’

Well worth a read: tis both interesting and witty. If you want an example of how far we have sunk intellectually, well, that speech was made extemporaneously.

[Dresta]

Actually, the world's best minds look to get into the US. The world's most prestigious universities are here. It's how the US manages to stay a world leader in medicine and science.

The biggest shithole countries in the world are pretty much in Africa and any countries that enforce sharia law.

If you're really a Saudi, then it's hardly a surprise. You guys are basically the French of the ME, meaning that all the other ME-ers think you guys are douchebags. I have coworkers from Iran and Iraq. They confirmed that Saudi's are generally a bunch of entitled twits who think of themselves as the cream of the crop. A fresh Saudi university grad working abroad in another ME country almost always goes back to SA if he isn't promoted within 6 months.

What's hilarious about Saudis is that when they look into a mirror, they see Kate Upton while the rest of the world sees Rosie O'donell.Yeah, it's called money. People move to the US for the money (it's def not for the culture, or the food, or the endless skyscrapers that fill your rather artificial cities); i know many scientists who have (including my father, whose salary almost doubled--Alan Ashworth is earning a fortune running shit in San Francisco), but there is a better (and less profit-driven) structure to science in the UK (only talking about biological sciences here, biochemistry and such, as i don't know shit about Physics and how that is funded). In America you have to spend half your time applying for grant money; in the UK, once you secure your funding, you're set for the next five years. America: leading the world in the pioneering research of boner and happy pills!

And where on earth did you get the idea I was Saudi?

:facepalm

[greymatter]

Yeah, it's called money. People move to the US for the money (it's def not for the culture, or the food, or the endless skyscrapers that fill your rather artificial cities); i know many scientists who have (including my father, whose salary almost doubled--Alan Ashworth is earning a fortune running shit in San Francisco), but there is a better (and less profit-driven) structure to science in the UK (only talking about biological sciences here, biochemistry and such, as i don't know shit about Physics and how that is funded). In America you have to spend half your time applying for grant money; in the UK, once you secure your funding, you're set for the next five years. America: leading the world in the pioneering research of boner and happy pills!

And where on earth did you get the idea I was Saudi?

:facepalm

The self-inflated ego and "location: Medina"

Most westerners who aren't from the UK and at least remember a little bit of world history associate Medina as the sister "holy city" to Mecca, not some tiny random district in the UK.

In any case, I briefly forgot that Brits are essentially a very close 2nd to French in terms of being pompous douchebags, except that Brits are generally able to at least put on polite airs while being douches.

[Dresta]

The self-inflated ego and "location: Medina"

Most westerners who aren't from the UK and at least remember a little bit of world history associate Medina as the sister "holy city" to Mecca, not some tiny random district in the UK.

In any case, I briefly forgot that Brits are essentially a very close 2nd to French in terms of being pompous douchebags, except that Brits are generally able to at least put on polite airs while being douches.
Look at this bigot ^^^^


I'm actually a Polish Brit, so there's that. I've lived in the Netherlands, and spent significant time in Germany and France (actually born in the latter). I am pretty much the definition of the semi-stateless cosmopolitan (though i have dual citizenship, and would be eligible for more), and yet because you don't agree with me i'm 'a dumb redneck' or a 'pompous douchebag Brit or Saudi.' You're just a childish bigot defending the political orthodoxies of his time (while thinking he's progressive and forward-looking).

I like America and Americans more than most of my fellow-Europeans, and i know this because i was always the person defending them as everyone else was constantly slagging them off as a bunch of ignant morons. I only brought up how Americans were perceived in Europe because i've had a fair amount of experience gauging the opinions of educated Europeans regarding America and Americans. You attributing those views to me is your own misreading--i was simply conveying the general perspective.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, he isn't. He was born a canadian citizen and later AQUIRED American citizenship. Yes, as the child of an Amercian he was entitled to American citizenship, but he was absolutely not born an American citizen. He was a canadian citizen before he was an American citizen.

The founders were also VERY clear that they don't recognize the concept of "dual citizenship" for Americans. You're either American, or you're something else, not both.

The SCOTUS has not ruled on the definition of "natural born citizen" because they've never actually had to, but it's meaning to the founders was clear. A person who is born as ONLY a citizen of their state and by extension, the United States.

The entire purpose of specifically adding "natural born citizen" was to exclude the possibility of dual loyalties in a president.


DEAD WRONG.

Cruz was a United States citizen the second he was born by way of his mother being an American. He's renounced his Canadian citizenship.

You do know that John McCain was born in Panama, correct??

[Nick Young]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..
You norwegians still look up to America. Go to Norway and all you see is people dressed in American brands and wearing American things like baseball hats with American teams on them. Your women brand themselves with our flag and wear American flag print leggings, shirts, sweatshirts and purses. I remember when I was there, "Ucla" was the big brand in Norway. Every idiot I talked to thought it was some fancy luxury brand from California, they didn't know "Ucla" was UCLA, an American university, but they were happy to spend $80 buying an "Ucla" hoody they could have bought for $20 on ebay. The pizza in Norway is for the most part American style. When the big American movies come out you all go to see them. In your clubs you blast the top chart hits from the American charts. When American music artists come to Norway, their performances sell out faster than Norwegian artists. And in your leisure time, you talk about our politicians.


I can't remember the last time some one in America talked about the Norwegian elections, let alone make a post about it on an American message board.

The McDonalds in Oslo is packed 24/7 and the Norwegians all seem happy to pay $15 for shitty American fastfood burgers stuffed with American processed cheese.


We may be a joke, but atleast we aren't unoriginal.

[greymatter]

Look at this bigot ^^^^


I'm actually a Polish Brit, so there's that. I've lived in the Netherlands, and spent significant time in Germany and France (actually born in the latter). I am pretty much the definition of the semi-stateless cosmopolitan (though i have dual citizenship, and would be eligible for more), and yet because you don't agree with me i'm 'a dumb redneck' or a 'pompous douchebag Brit or Saudi.' You're just a childish bigot defending the political orthodoxies of his time (while thinking he's progressive and forward-looking).

/Golfclap

Want a cookie?

I never called you a "dumb redneck". I basically stated that you and "dumb rednecks" have a lot in common with regards to your stance on marriage and abortion. It never really occurred to me that Europe also has plenty of its own version of crazy Pentacostal or Southern Baptist bible beaters that we have in the US.


I like America and Americans more than most of my fellow-Europeans, and i know this because i was always the person defending them as everyone else was constantly slagging them off as a bunch of ignant morons. I only brought up how Americans were perceived in Europe because i've had a fair amount of experience gauging the opinions of educated Europeans regarding America and Americans. You attributing those views to me is your own misreading--i was simply conveying the general perspective.

Alright, I'll man up and admit that I missed this because I didn't pay attention to the posts prior to your one about America getting the world's rejects and being that "favorable" stupid uncle you can be smugly superior to.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that your views on marriage will be written off as being as backwards as anti-miscegenation laws within the next 10-20 years or the fact that you'd fit right in with the typical consumers of The Blaze, Weekly Standard, Fox News who are for the bombing of the fictional city of Agrabah.

[greymatter]

No, he isn't. He was born a canadian citizen and later AQUIRED American citizenship. Yes, as the child of an Amercian he was entitled to American citizenship, but he was absolutely not born an American citizen. He was a canadian citizen before he was an American citizen.

The founders were also VERY clear that they don't recognize the concept of "dual citizenship" for Americans. You're either American, or you're something else, not both.

The SCOTUS has not ruled on the definition of "natural born citizen" because they've never actually had to, but it's meaning to the founders was clear. A person who is born as ONLY a citizen of their state and by extension, the United States.

The entire purpose of specifically adding "natural born citizen" was to exclude the possibility of dual loyalties in a president.


Additionally, the first Congress of the United States passed the Naturalization Act of 1790, just three years after the Constitution was written, which stated that children born abroad to U.S. citizens were, too, natural born citizens. Many members of the inaugural Congress were also authors of the Constitution.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/mar/26/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president-update/

But hey, don't let me kill your channeling of Trump's birther vibes.

[NumberSix]

She is a great politician

But that's a terrible thing to be
She's actually a hilariously bad politician. Absolutely terrible. She's in a tight race with what is basically a 74 year old Dennis Kucinich. You think that would happen to a politician like Slick Willy or Obama?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

We became a joke because of Obama, not because Trump is winning polls.
Obama has nothing to do with America being a joke.

[9erempiree]

People around the world used to look up to America, and now they are the joke of the world..

Very easy.

I drive to my polling station or carpool and then I vote for him.

Go get lunch afterwards and come back to Inside Hoops.:rockon:

[NumberSix]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/mar/26/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president-update/

But hey, don't let me kill your channeling of Trump's birther vibes.
Oh, I guess you think you just made a point.

1. You'll notice that nowhere in my post did I claim you must be born on American soil to be a natural born citizen.

2. Congress doesn't define what anything in the constitution means. That's what the Supreme Court does.

3. Even if congress could define what a natural born citizen is, that 1790 was repealed and replaced in 1795 with a law that removed "natural born citizen" and says a person born abroad to Americans is an American citizen. Just a citizen. Not a natural born citizen. So unless Ted Cruz was born between 1790-1795, it would not apply to him.

[BoutPractice]

She's actually a hilariously bad politician. Absolutely terrible. She's in a tight race with what is basically a 74 year old Dennis Kucinich. You think that would happen to a politician like Slick Willy or Obama?
Bernie is a formidable politician. Maybe not Bill Clinton or Obama great, but he's always been underestimated...

Starting with one of the biggest handicaps you could think of (being a socialist in America), he managed to get elected mayor of a fairly large city, then representative, then senator... he was reelected to the Senate with 71% of the vote.

Labels like socialist don't matter to voters as much as we think - Bernie seems like someone who cares about ordinary people and shows up to work every day on their behalf... someone who can't be bought and therefore can be trusted with power. This has enormous, cross-ideological appeal... Bernie basically represents most voters' ideal of what an elected official should be in a democracy, regardless of affiliation. Just as Trump has the timeless advantage of oozing strength, Bernie presents the appearance of simple virtue, another characteristic men have sought in leaders since politics started.

Putting aside preconceptions about what should theoretically work, the historical evidence is clear: Bernie is someone who's very good at winning elections. Hillary isn't.

Generally speaking Hillary has a track record problem: she's mediocre as a campaigner compared to her opponents... but also fairly mediocre as an office holder. Add to that an unappealing personality, legal troubles, and you can see why so many Republicans were running in the beginning of the campaign - they were smelling blood, while the Democrats were telling themselves a feel-good story that she was unstoppable.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Oh, I guess you think you just made a point.

1. You'll notice that nowhere in my post did I claim you must be born on American soil to be a natural born citizen.

2. Congress doesn't define what anything in the constitution means. That's what the Supreme Court does.

3. Even if congress could define what a natural born citizen is, that 1790 was repealed and replaced in 1795 with a law that removed "natural born citizen" and says a person born abroad to Americans is an American citizen. Just a citizen. Not a natural born citizen. So unless Ted Cruz was born between 1790-1795, it would not apply to him.

LOL @ this Google scholar.

The Supreme Court has remained silent on this issue largely because it isn't an issue at all.

Most legal experts contend that "natural born citizen" means someone who is a citizen from birth and doesn

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]LOL @ this Google scholar.

The Supreme Court has remained silent on this issue largely because it isn't an issue at all.

Most legal experts contend that "natural born citizen" means someone who is a citizen from birth and doesn

[Nick Young]

She's actually a hilariously bad politician. Absolutely terrible. She's in a tight race with what is basically a 74 year old Dennis Kucinich. You think that would happen to a politician like Slick Willy or Obama?
She just is not president material. She has a long and proud history of being mediocre and not good at her job. She has a long and proud history of being pro-war and voting to drag our country in to new wars.


Bernie would be out of the race by now vs a competant candidate. The fact she is in danger of losing to a scrub like Sanders, despite her experience as secretary of state says everything.

Hillary represents the establishment perfectly. Voting for Hillary is the least "progressive" thing anyone can do.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Why do you assume that Ted Cruz was a citizen from birth?

His American-born mother told me. :facepalm

Trump brings out the inner-dumbass in his supporters. That's how deep one has to dig within themselves to defend this circus clown.

[9erempiree]

His American-born mother told me. :facepalm

Trump brings out the inner-dumbass in his supporters. Anything to defend this circus clown, I guess.

Calgary, Canada....beautiful place btw.

I don't know why you are getting angry and confrontational when its common sense that he was born in the beautiful city of Calgary.
http://www.canadian-wellsite.com/images/Photo%20Gallery/Calgary.gif

[~primetime~]

Hilary wants to tax the shit out of the super rich and use that money to pay for everyone's college tuition.

sorry, but that is awesome, love it

I feel like that would really beef up the middle class.

[9erempiree]

Hilary wants to tax the shit out of the super rich and use that money to pay for everyone's college tuition.

sorry, but that is awesome, love it

I feel like that would really beef up the middle class.

:lol

Why are you trolling?

[NumberSix]

His American-born mother told me. :facepalm

Trump brings out the inner-dumbass in his supporters. That's how deep one has to dig within themselves to defend this circus clown.
So you're assuming that at the time of his birth, his mother was an American citizen?

[~primetime~]

:lol

Why are you trolling?
well, that's what she is claiming she is going to do...sounds like a great plan to me

[ThePhantomCreep]

So you're assuming that at the time of his birth, his mother was an American citizen?

Do you have evidence she formerly renounced her US citizenship at any point?

[Dresta]

Alright, I'll man up and admit that I missed this because I didn't pay attention to the posts prior to your one about America getting the world's rejects and being that "favorable" stupid uncle you can be smugly superior to.

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that your views on marriage will be written off as being as backwards as anti-miscegenation laws within the next 10-20 years or the fact that you'd fit right in with the typical consumers of The Blaze, Weekly Standard, Fox News who are for the bombing of the fictional city of Agrabah.
Firstly, stating that America absorbed large amounts of the world's rejects wasn't even in the slightest a malicious comment, though this person seems to think so:


you are a fukkin idiot if you actually think that, jealous because u aint us, you should be worried about your pedo politicians back in england dumb azz fakkit

:rolleyes:

It was a simple statement of fact, and actually a stated purpose of American immigration policy. I mean wasn't this engraved on the Statue of Liberty:


Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

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Anyway, i hope you're right about marriage, but i somehow doubt it. Pretty much every successful civilisation has esteemed and protected the institution, and its decline has unwaveringly been associated with decadence, decline, and social disorder. The problem is the complacency and arrogance of modernity, which thinks it can discard all restraint and restriction, and hack away at the roots of our civilization, and pay no price for doing so; the major difference between our current crop of political leaders, and those of the past, is that the current leaders have no knowledge of the history of other civilisations: they are completely inward looking. As a consequence, they fail to understand the importance of prescription and custom, and instead experiment recklessly.

This is reflected in thinking like yours (the Marxist interpretation of history also plays a role here) that takes progress as a given, and assumes that history is an onwards and upwards march; it rejects the possibility of severe retrogression, and doesn't recognise that civilization is only a veneer that takes a long time to develop, but which can be wiped away extremely quickly. You put your faith in human rationality with a capital R, and assume, against all the evidence (irrationally, perhaps), that man only needs to think about things rationally to progress (read Hume on the importance of custom to understand this--so much of our success is based on the fruits of long and hard-won experience, and can't be logically deduced--if it could it would not have taken so long for our civilisation to develop, and it would have developed similarly in all places).

My views on marriage (which aren't really "mine" but have been shared by most of humanity, for thousands of years) will never be written off, because they represent the essence of human nature, which isn't changeable. Western civilisation is teetering on the brink of chaos, nearly completely devoid of principle or purpose, and the eventual solution will be the absolute state, and the means to make this realisable, are already in place. It is unsurprising that the countries who have already suffered a severe retrogression within living memory (i.e. former Eastern Bloc nations) are the ones who are resisting this innovative lust; they know from bitter experience what a precious thing the family is, and also the harm that can come from the incessant need to tinker with the natural order of things. This lust for innovation has been the death of all Republics--go read some history bruh.

[QUOTE]I have by experience learned that changes, even in the ordinary law of the land, do not always operate as the drawer of the bill, or the Legislative, body may have anticipated; and of all the things in the world, a Government, whether ready made, to suit casual customers, or made to order, is the very last that operates as its framers intended. Governments are like revolutions: you may put them in motion, but i defy you to control them after they are in motion. . .

[~primetime~]

Really? Why? The middle class has shrunk as the numbers in higher education have increased.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/09/the-american-middle-class-is-losing-ground/

If you really want to beef up the middle class i'd be more concerned with moral and social norms than further education. The decline of the family goes hand-in-hand with the decline of the middle class.
from your own link:


Moreover, some demographic groups have fared better than others in moving up the income tiers, while some groups have slipped down the ladder. The groups making notable progress include older Americans, married couples and blacks. Despite this progress, older Americans and blacks remain more likely to be lower income and less likely to be upper income than adults overall. Those Americans without a college degree stand out as experiencing a substantial loss in economic status.

not to mention, she wants to make college affordable...using money from the elite rich

[Nick Young]

Why should successful rich people be punished for being successful? Why should people who work hard and are successful be forced to pay for gender studies classes for people who don't work hard and aren't successful?


Why is it not considered a bad thing to be rich and successful? :facepalm


Everyone is not the same.

[~primetime~]

Nick, you're not elite rich and you likely never will be...why on earth would you fight for them to be slightly richer?

Do what is in YOUR best interest...be greedy...like them, they don't give a damn about you

vote for what YOU want...not for what they want

[Nick Young]

Nick, you're not elite rich and you likely never will be...why on earth would you fight for them to be slightly richer?

Do what is in YOUR best interest...be greedy...like them, they don't give a damn about you

vote for what YOU want...not for what they want
I believe that people should keep what they earn.

People are successful within a system should not be punished and forced to foot the bill for shitty lazy people.

It is not "greedy" to keep what you've earned. It's not greedy to want your money to go to your family, rather than pay for some dumbass you don't even know to spend 4 years in an undergraduate Gender Studies course.


We don't live in commie land or Denmark.




Why do you believe that successful people should be punished for being successful? If you worked your ass off and earned $2,000,000 in a year on a business you created, would you be happy with 50% of it going to the government to pay for lazy dumbasses to lay out the couch?



You live in a capitalist society. This is what capitalism looks like. If you want "equality" go live in North Korea. I heard that everyone besides government officials are treated equal up there.

[Dresta]

from your own link:



not to mention, she wants to make college affordable...using money from the elite rich
Dude, they don't even correlate; their correlation is the reverse of what you would assume if what you think is the case actually is:

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-YT630_colleg_E_20130903153611.jpg

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/images/2010/ted_20100428.png

Middle class was much bigger when we didn't assume everyone needed a degree and we had people engaged in more productive pursuits. In fact, the deterioration of education engendered by educational expansion has deprived America of good political leadership, which contributes to the domination of government by squalid oligarchs handing out political favours (of which Mrs Clinton is a prime representative). Try looking at how the decline of the family correlates with the decline of the middle class. The UK was actually pretty close to reaching its 50% target, and yet the same thing is happening to the middle class there, and in fact, all over Europe:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/07/vanishing-middle-class-london-economy-divide-rich-poor-england

And remember, this is the same woman who said she'd close 'all below average schools'--she is full of shit, and her ideas are completely unachievable.

[~primetime~]

^^^ college unaffordable then

Dresta you might be right about 'family unity' thing idk, probably something to that...but it is a proven fact that those w/degree make more $$$ than those w/o

You can't convince me that college degrees paid for by the elite wealthy would hurt more than help...not gonna happen

[Draz]

https://redditupvoted.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/bernieposter-e1453755857207.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

https://redditupvoted.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/bernieposter-e1453755857207.jpg


Looks like a Woodstock poster. Damn hippies are the ones that like this guy.

The Hippie Revolution.

[NumberSix]

Do you have evidence she formerly renounced her US citizenship at any point?
Yes. She was a Canadian citizen. United States law at the time was, if you aquire citizenship of another country, you forfeit your American citizenship.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Yes. She was a Canadian citizen. United States law at the time was, if you aquire citizenship of another country, you forfeit your American citizenship.

Wrong. From 1967:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/387/253


Congress has no power under the Constitution to divest a person of his United States citizenship absent his voluntary renunciation thereof.


Eleanor Darragh was still living in the states in 1967 (attending college), so unless you have evidence that she renounced her citizenship in Canada prior to giving birth to Ted, you have no argument.

[FillJackson]

Yes. She was a Canadian citizen.
Where's the evidence for this?

I haven't heard anything definitive on this.

[NumberSix]

Where's the evidence for this?

I haven't heard anything definitive on this.
She was a registered voter in Canada. You have to be a citizen to be registered to vote.

[longtime lurker]

Nick, you're not elite rich and you likely never will be...why on earth would you fight for them to be slightly richer?

Do what is in YOUR best interest...be greedy...like them, they don't give a damn about you

vote for what YOU want...not for what they want

The idiot thinks that he'll one day be one of the top 1% in the nation despite the fact that he won't become a million trolling message boards all day. Just another example of the backwards American logic where lower income people will vote against their own interests in an effort to keep other people down.