FACT: None of the self-professed Jordan stans here are older than 20

[lilteapot]

I'd be willing to bet that they're unemployed too

[LikeMike]

Why would Jordan stans be children who never saw him? Under 18 is most likely to be LeBron fans. 18-28 more likely to be Kobe fans. 28-38 more likely to be Jordan fans. 38+ most likely to be Magic/Bird or older era fans.

[chocolatethunder]

While not a Jordan stan, I think that he's clearly the GOAT and it's not even remotely close. FWIW, I'm almost 44 and I'm employed.

[Lebron23]

I'd be willing to bet that they're unemployed too


Straight_Ballins is a self confessed 44 to 50 yrs.old

[Gileraracer]

What kind of stan are you? A 12 year old Lebron stan?

[aj1987]

Why would Jordan stans be children who never saw him? Under 18 is most likely to be LeBron fans. 18-28 more likely to be Kobe fans. 28-38 more likely to be Jordan fans. 38+ most likely to be Magic/Bird or older era fans.
All the Wilt stans on here are under 30. :confusedshrug:

[Achilleas]

All the Wilt stans on here are under 30. :confusedshrug:

or wilt childs :eek: ,20000 women :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

FACT: Op's a ****** and want Lebron's peepee in his mouth

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Where did you pull that factoid from? Your mangled anus?

[SpaceJam]

Don't see how age matters lmao

[LikeMike]

All the Wilt stans on here are under 30. :confusedshrug:
How many Wilt stans are there on ISH?

I was talking about IRL anyway. Not many people 50+ on this site.

[aj1987]

How many Wilt stans are there on ISH?

I was talking about IRL anyway. Not many people 50+ on this site.
A lot of people. Most MJ/Bulls stans are bandwagon stans anyways and are insecure AF. Kobe and LeBron stans seem stable and sane in comparison.

[AirBonner]

A lot of people. Most MJ/Bulls stans are bandwagon stans anyways and are insecure AF. Kobe and LeBron stans seem stable and sane in comparison.
3ball proves this

[LikeMike]

A lot of people. Most MJ/Bulls stans are bandwagon stans anyways and are insecure AF. Kobe and LeBron stans seem stable and sane in comparison.
I'm not so sure about that. :lol

[hateraid]

While I don't agree with OP I do have to say I hate when Jordaneers use age as a comeback to anyone who disagrees.

[LikeMike]

3ball proves this
3ball is like a separate breed. He can't be grouped with anybody.

[ballinhun8]

A lot of people. Most MJ/Bulls stans are bandwagon stans anyways and are insecure AF. Kobe and LeBron stans seem stable and sane in comparison.



Where do you get this info from? And where do you get off saying Lebron and Kobe stans are stable and sane? Have you seen Lebron23's threats? Or seen the numerous accounts of dubeta posting the same crap? Or Goatbe spewing nonsense?


If anything, Bulls fans here are the most loyal. We all have either been here since the beginning of these boards inception, or like myself, kblaze, have been here since the EZ board days.

[hateraid]

Where do you get this info from? And where do you get off saying Lebron and Kobe stans are stable and sane? Have you seen Lebron23's threats? Or seen the numerous accounts of dubeta posting the same crap? Or Goatbe spewing nonsense?


If anything, Bulls fans here are the most loyal. We all have either been here since the beginning of these boards inception, or like myself, kblaze, have been here since the EZ board days.

3ball, sportjames23, straight_ballin, shall we go on?

[ballinhun8]

3ball, sportjames23, straight_ballin, shall we go on?



I'm saying he was coupling MJ guys like that to be Bulls fans. Those guys have never been in Bulls gamethreads or in the Bulls forum. They are just there to shit on Kobe/LBJ stans.

[sportjames23]

3ball, sportjames23, straight_ballin, shall we go on?


This faggt always got my name in his mouth.

[Dr Hawk]

This faggt always got my name in his mouth.

He wish he had your dick instead

[andgar923]

Funny, since I remember where I was when the Berlin wall came down. I also remember what the Mexico City earthquake of 85 was like. I can tell you exactly where I was when news of Cobain's suicide broke, I can still remember watching military trucks roaming the streets during the LA Riots, watching Back to the Future at the movie theaters when it came out, etc.etc.

I was also old enough to not just remember MJ play, but actually UNDERSTANDING the game and his greatness.

I WITNESSED THE GOAT, don't be mad cause I did.

[Smoke117]

On that note...what happened to 3ball? I kind of miss his obnoxious ass.

[hateraid]

Funny, since I remember where I was when the Berlin wall came down. I also remember what the Mexico City earthquake of 85 was like. I can tell you exactly where I was when news of Cobain's suicide broke, I can still remember watching military trucks roaming the streets during the LA Riots, watching Back to the Future at the movie theaters when it came out, etc.etc.

I was also old enough to not just remember MJ play, but actually UNDERSTANDING the game and his greatness.

I WITNESSED THE GOAT, don't be mad cause I did.

I was old enough remember my Sixers winning the championship in 83. I remember watching The Empire Strikes Back in the movie theatres. I remember listening to the Jackson 5 on 8 track.

I too an old enough and even then some with a full grasp of basketball during that time frame and would say it is debatable.

[hateraid]

This faggt always got my name in his mouth.

You wish you did. Now go log onto and alt and agree with yourself.

[72-10]

Perhaps the OP did not see Michael Jordan play. I'd bet that just about anyone who did see him play would agree that he's the greatest basketball player.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Why would Jordan stans be children who never saw him? Under 18 is most likely to be LeBron fans. 18-28 more likely to be Kobe fans. 28-38 more likely to be Jordan fans. 38+ most likely to be Magic/Bird or older era fans.
Exactly.

[Smoke117]

Actually...all these Jordan stans are 40+...which only makes it more pathetic that these are middle-aged men that are stanning a basketball player.

[Cocaine80s]

Actually...all these Jordan stans are 40+...which only makes it more pathetic that these are middle-aged men that are stanning a basketball player.
this.

[72-10]

where is the said stanning anyhow? I don't really see it on the NBA board.

[ClipperRevival]

Perhaps the OP did not see Michael Jordan play. I'd bet that just about anyone who did see him play would agree that he's the greatest basketball player.

End thread.

[Smoke117]

where is the said stanning anyhow? I don't really see it on the NBA board.

Then you have never read a 3ball post even once. Andgar and Swish would be his second's as far as stanning Jordan goes.

[72-10]

Oh. I thought you meant there is a proliferation of it. Like with Kobe-related and LeBron-related threads.

[ballinhun8]

Actually...all these Jordan stans are 40+...which only makes it more pathetic that these are middle-aged men that are stanning a basketball player.



I'm not even 30 yet I was old enough to watch the second three-year. It's why I'm a Bulls fan.


In all honesty all player stans are pathetic. If people have played names as part of their username it's sad.

[ClipperRevival]

Kobe came closest to doing an MJ 2.0 and he came up a tier short. And he had things over MJ like 81, 62 in 3 and 50 in 4 straight games. But what separated him from Kobe was the CONSISTENT DOMINANCE on a game by game, month by month and year by year basis. He just maintained a higher level of excellence for most of his career.

Like the guy above said, if you were old enough to have seen the game closely for the last 25 years or so, you are convinced at your soul that he was the best basketball player ever. There is a reason why 95% of people, including former NBA players, who saw MJ play till now say he is the GOAT. The eye test trumps almost all. But when the advanced stats back up MJ too, it's just icing on the cake. Then you add in the intangibles like work ethic, killer instinct, clutch play and 6/6, and the truth is revealed. He just might be the GOAT for eternity. If we see someone comparable, we will just know. The eye test and rings and clutch play and killer instinct and advanced stats will all agree. Until then, they are all playing for 2nd best.

[72-10]

Mike scored 54 in three in the playoffs.

[ClipperRevival]

Mike scored 54 in three in the playoffs.

1986 in Boston? Or maybe one of those Cavs games, where he just raped them? Lol.

[90sgoat]

We don't choose when we're born, I wish I would have been around to catch the summer of love and listen to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but alas I had to settle for Nirvana, Tupac and shitty boybands, but that's life.

If I think back the 90s were a pretty shitty decade, but the one thing it did have was the best basketball ever.

This shit is like when your annoying boomer parents rave about the Beatles or your grandfather (best generation ever, born early 1900s), told stories about kicking the Nazi in the mouth.

The Millenial generation drew the short straw, what can I do about it?

[ClipperRevival]

We don't choose when we're born, I wish I would have been around to catch the summer of love and listen to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but alas I had to settle for Nirvana, Tupac and shitty boybands, but that's life.

If I think back the 90s were a pretty shitty decade, but the one thing it did have was the best basketball ever.

This shit is like when your annoying boomer parents rave about the Beatles or your grandfather (best generation ever, born early 1900s), told stories about kicking the Nazi in the mouth.

The Millenial generation drew the short straw, what can I do about it?

Huh? WTF are you talking about? The 90's was one of the best era ever for the NBA sans the late 90's, when a lot of the GOAT level superstars got old. How can anyone forget the NBC theme song? That was the sh't? NBA action is fantastic? Great teams geared up to try tp beat MJ and and MJ just imposing his will on the game? :bowdown:

[72-10]

We don't choose when we're born, I wish I would have been around to catch the summer of love and listen to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but alas I had to settle for Nirvana, Tupac and shitty boybands, but that's life.

If I think back the 90s were a pretty shitty decade, but the one thing it did have was the best basketball ever.

This shit is like when your annoying boomer parents rave about the Beatles or your grandfather (best generation ever, born early 1900s), told stories about kicking the Nazi in the mouth.

The Millenial generation drew the short straw, what can I do about it?

There are so many things wrong with this rant, I don't know where to begin. Did you forget that the United States was involved in a war in the 1960s and 70s?

[90sgoat]

Huh? WTF are you talking about? The 90's was one of the best era ever for the NBA sans the late 90's, when a lot of the GOAT level superstars got old. How can anyone forget the NBC theme song? That was the sh't? NBA action is fantastic? Great teams geared up to try tp beat MJ and and MJ just imposing his will on the game? :bowdown:

Read again bro, I'm talking the 90s as a decade - outside basketball.

[90sgoat]

There are so many things wrong with this rant, I don't know where to begin. Did you forget that the United States was involved in a war in the 1960s and 70s?

Yes that was a bad war, but the Iraq war has been far worse all put together.

[Black and White]

How is it a fact when you can't prove it?

[Lebron23]

https://growthplates.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/middle-aged-ball.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5071/3/16x9/960.jpg

http://images.veer.com/stock-photos/Middle-Aged-Men-Playing-Basketball-MWP0042391.jpg

[72-10]

Yeah, the war kind of taints the era and is the reason that a lot of the music was made (and it is great music). Outside of the war, it was an era of great progress socially, though.

[Dresta]

And how old is the guy making a thread on ISHs starting with "FACT" capitalised, in respect to something that clearly isn't a fact?

I hope it isn't older than 20.

[deja vu]

Why would younger people root for Jordan over LeBron and Kobe? :lol

That's like being a fan of Backstreet Boys instead of One Direction. :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

I'd be willing to bet that they're unemployed too

sounds like you are projecting what lebran stans are on to jordan fans.

[ballinhun8]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/fs.goanimate.com/files/thumbnails/movie/1856/9997856/24304941L.jpg

http://rs304.pbsrc.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/0%20bandwagoners/--Southpark-1504-TMI_.jpg~c200

http://cdn.hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/heat-leave.jpg


For they dumb troll stan

[aj1987]

Where do you get this info from? And where do you get off saying Lebron and Kobe stans are stable and sane? Have you seen Lebron23's threats? Or seen the numerous accounts of dubeta posting the same crap? Or Goatbe spewing nonsense?
3ball, Straight_ballin, sportsjames23, etc. all accounts DEDICATED to slurping MJ and hating on the SLIGHTEST perceived threat to MJ. It's like they're actually payed to defend MJ. There are channels on YT, which are dedicated to propping up MJ even more. Spending god knows how many hours making the videos and researching stuff.


If anything, Bulls fans here are the most loyal. We all have either been here since the beginning of these boards inception, or like myself, kblaze, have been here since the EZ board days.
:roll:

Bulls "fans" are the pioneers of bandwagoning. If MJ never played for the Bulls, there'd be like 10 Bulls fans on this board.


Yes that was a bad war, but the Iraq war has been far worse all put together.
How is the Iraq war worse than the Vietnam war?

[3ball]

.
Efficiency at high volume - players with 25+ FGA and 45% FG


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:...... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:.... 1975
George Gervin:. 1982
Kobe Bryant:.... 2006
Elgin Baylor:.... 1963
Tiny Archibald:. 1973
Dominique:...... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:..... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:.......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:.......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:....... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:............ 1966
Rick Barry:............ 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:.. 1995
Kobe Bryant:.......... 2007
Dominique:............ 1988
Allen Iverson:......... 2005
Kareem Jabbar:...... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


Notice that Lebron is not on the list - the 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team) (see 3rd paragraph in section on Curry for double-teaming data).. Compare that to MJ, where his efficient high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the REAL holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the efficient high volume must be achieved within the team concept.. Only 2 players have reached this holy grail of basketball skill (25 shot attempts on 45% during a championship playoff run): MJ did it 4 times (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem once (1995).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.

Now lets look at Lebron - wouldn't it be nice for Lebron to score 20% more on better efficiency????... Isn't that what any fan would want of their favorite player??.. Well that's what Jordan DID (see the stats below).

If Kobe or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume:


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg


Considering the #2 thru #4 guys are between 32 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is at 43.3 points, which far above the pack and in another tier - MJ simply did more (higher volume) while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.
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[3ball]

.
The wings from MJ's era match today's era man-for-man:


...2000-2014.................1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg), Jamaal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis


^^^^^ Remember, this is just the wing players - if we add the bigs, previous eras blow today's era to Mars



Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 46.2 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg

[90sgoat]

He back:bowdown:

[ballinhun8]

3ball, Straight_ballin, sportsjames23, etc. all accounts DEDICATED to slurping MJ and hating on the SLIGHTEST perceived threat to MJ. It's like they're actually payed to defend MJ. There are channels on YT, which are dedicated to propping up MJ even more. Spending god knows how many hours making the videos and researching stuff.


:roll:

Bulls "fans" are the pioneers of bandwagoning. If MJ never played for the Bulls, there'd be like 10 Bulls fans on this board.


How is the Iraq war worse than the Vietnam war?


But.......it's not bandwagoning when the fans are still around 18 years after he left. And when we were the laughing stock of the league for about 6 years. So, it's not really bandwagoning when those fans have been fans the whole time.

[LAmbruh]

spot on :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

I'd be willing to bet that they're unemployed too

Definitely some but that goes both ways. Theres a bunch of trolls on here who've never seen him play that say bron is better. Trolla are gonna troll.