What problem do you have with the proposed Great Wall of Mexico?

[Nick Young]

Please tell me why you don't like the Great Wall of Mexico.

Do you believe that people in Mexico should be able to freely and illegally cross the American border?

If you like the Great Wall of Mexico, what do you like about it?


Please discuss.

[navy]

I dont have a problem with it to be honest. Of course the cost benefit analysis has to be created to see if it's worth the money.

[DeuceWallaces]

Incredible costs to "fix" a "problem" that doesn't bother me in the first place.

[9erempiree]

Around 8 billion.

Since the height is going to be raised trumps has it at 10 to 12 billion now.

[Nick Young]

Incredible costs to "fix" a "problem" that doesn't bother me in the first place.
Why do illegal immigrants settling in America not bother you?

[LikeMike]

Incredible costs to "fix" a "problem" that doesn't bother me in the first place.
This X1000

[Nanners]

i dont really like it symbolically. most friendly nations dont have walls along their borders, it just sends the wrong message. id rather spend the money to help these latin nations solve the problems that drive people to immigrate here in the first place.

[Nick Young]

i dont really like it symbolically. most friendly nations dont have walls along their borders. id rather spend the money to help these latin nations solve the problems that drive people to immigrate here in the first place.
Realistically, if everything goes right, how long will it be before Mexican immigrants stop trying to get in to America illegally because Mexico is good enough for them?

[Nick Young]

Around 8 billion.

Since the height is going to be raised trumps has it at 10 to 12 billion now.
Will it not create thousands of jobs for American laborers? :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

Realistically, if everything goes right, how long will it be before Mexican immigrants stop trying to get in to America illegally because Mexico is good enough for them?

realistically how is a wall going to stop someone determined to get into this country? ever heard of a tunnel? or a boat? or a ladder?

[CavaliersFTW]

Berlin wall 2.0

[9erempiree]

Will it not create thousands of jobs for American laborers? :confusedshrug:

I don't have a problem with it.

Just throwing the numbers out for the previous poster.

I think the wall is cheap compared to what government is spending on other stuff.

No border no country.

The wall is symbolic and probably one of the greatest creation of our country. Something to be proud of. Just how the Chinese are proud of their Great Wall.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why do illegal immigrants settling in America not bother you?
Why should it bother anyone?

They work harder on less appealing jobs and for lower wages than you and I... is that a criticism on them? ...or on us?

Would you milk cows on a dairy farm and sweep up their shit for 7 bucks an hour? Someone has got to.

[9erempiree]

Yuge reason why we need a wall......

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398640

[Nick Young]

realistically how is a wall going to stop someone determined to get into this country? ever heard of a tunnel? or a boat? or a ladder?
The tunnel has censors that detect tunnels being dug under it.

Of course, the wall is not a 100% guarantee that immigrants won't get in, but it will certainly be a hindrance.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't have a problem with it.

Just throwing the numbers out for the previous poster.

I think the wall is cheap compared to what government is spending on other stuff.

No border no country.

The wall is symbolic and probably one of the greatest creation of our country. Something to be proud of. Just how the Chinese are proud of their Great Wall.
The Chinese built a wall for military purposes to keep Mongols at bay.

They did not build it to stop this totally arbitrary concept of "illegal immigration".

And it is indeed arbitrary. The U.S. makes it difficult to become a U.S. citizen legally from the perspective of an impoverished but otherwise hardworking and good intentioned Mexican.

[Nick Young]

Why should it bother anyone?

They work harder on less appealing jobs and for lower wages than you and I... is that a criticism on them? ...or on us?

Would you milk cows on a dairy farm and sweep up their shit for 7 bucks an hour? Someone has got to.
This is a racist stereotype. Do you have a source to back up this claim?

Mexicans are normal people just like you. There is no need to mythologize them with racist stereotypes.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

The tunnel has censors that detect tunnels being dug under it.

Of course, the wall is not a 100% guarantee that immigrants won't get in, but it will certainly be a hindrance.
Interesting. How exactly do censors detect tunnels?

[Nick Young]

The Chinese built a wall for military purposes to keep Mongols at bay.

They did not build it to stop this totally arbitrary concept of "illegal immigration".

And it is indeed arbitrary. The U.S. makes it difficult to become a U.S. citizen legally from the perspective of an impoverished but otherwise hardworking and good intentioned Mexican.
How is illegal immigration an "arbitrary concept"?

[Nick Young]

Interesting. How exactly do censors detect tunnels?
I meant to write sensors, my bad.

How do the sensors detect tunnels? Science.

[Nanners]

The tunnel has censors that detect tunnels being dug under it.

Of course, the wall is not a 100% guarantee that immigrants won't get in, but it will certainly be a hindrance.

israel has tunnel "censors" too, yet that doesnt stop the palestinians

how much do these tunnel "censors" cost anyway? is that included in trumps price tag? sounds expensive to install and maintain delicate seismic instruments along a 1900 mile wall.

[shlver]

The Chinese built a wall for military purposes to keep Mongols at bay.

They did not build it to stop this totally arbitrary concept of "illegal immigration".

And it is indeed arbitrary. The U.S. makes it difficult to become a U.S. citizen legally from the perspective of an impoverished but otherwise hardworking and good intentioned Mexican.
So then why did you make an apples to oranges comparison with the berlin wall earlier? Consistency please
Arbitrary? Your second statement in no way supports the idea that illegal immigration is an "arbitrary concept." In fact it's the furthest from the definition of arbitrary you can get.
The point is the wall, multi layered fence, etc is symbolic. This is our country, this is your country. It is much easier to monitor a fence than an imaginary line.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is a racist stereotype. Do you have a source to back up this claim?

Mexicans are normal people just like you. There is no need to mythologize them with racist stereotypes.
It's not about race dipshit. In my example Mexican defines country of origin not race. Where they come from and why they came to America in the first place makes them willing to do more difficult jobs for lower wage than you or I. Raise them the way you or I would raise our kids and they'd be just as spoiled as you and I nothing about their race has anything to do with my statement.

And you're an idiot if you think it isn't true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUdozfL7iM

You know damn well Americans aren't going to be clamoring to get these "jobs" that have been "taken" from us nor are we going to be happy with the resulting raised prices in all our groceries for daily sustenance once we realize no US born laborer (of any race) wants to work on farms for anything less than 15 dollars an hour and benefits. Our present economy actually is very dependent on underpaying illegal immigrants.

[Nick Young]

israel has tunnel "censors" too, yet that doesnt stop the palestinians

how much do these tunnel "censors" cost anyway? is that included in trumps price tag? sounds expensive to install and maintain delicate seismic instruments along a 1900 mile wall.
I misspelled sensors, my bad breh.

How much do the sensors cost? That is factored in to the total cost of the wall. I do not know specifically how much the sensors cost. They are included in the price tag.

The wall is not a 100% stop, but it will certainly hinder many people from illegally crossing the border-from both sides. Remember, this wall is designed to benefit Mexico as well, by preventing illegal American immigrants from sneaking in.

[Nick Young]

It's not about race dipshit. In my example Mexican defines country of origin not race. Where they come from and why they came to America in the first place makes them willing to do more difficult jobs for lower wage than you or I. Raise them the way you or I would raise our kids and they'd be just as spoiled as you and I nothing about their race has anything to do with my statement.

And you're an idiot if you think it isn't true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUdozfL7iM

You know damn well Americans aren't going to be clamoring to get these "jobs" that have been "taken" from us nor are we going to be happy with the resulting raised prices in all our groceries for daily sustenance once we realize no US born laborer (of any race) wants to work on farms for anything less than 15 dollars an hour and benefits. Our present economy actually is very dependent on underpaying illegal immigrants.
Do you have any sources and statistical evidence to back up this racist and anecdotal claim?


I never said that anyone was taking jobs from anyone. Please refrain from straw man arguments in this thread. Thank you.

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you have any sources and statistical evidence to back up this racist and anecdotal claim?


I never said that anyone was taking jobs from anyone. Please refrain from straw man arguments in this thread. Thank you.
Watch the video I posted in it's entirety. And stop calling it racist. It's reality, and it's about circumstances which individuals come from. Not race.

[Nick Young]

Watch the video I posted in it's entirety. And stop calling it racist. It's reality, and it's about circumstances which individuals come from. Not race.
Do you have any statistics and sources to back up your claims, aside from an anecdotal video that shows people milking cows?

Claiming that members from a certain race behave in a certain way is indeed racist. Stereotyping all people from an entire country is bigoted and patronizing.

[shlver]

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border. [...]
"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year." Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.




http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

[LikeMike]

Berlin wall 2.0
Spend a bunch of money just to have it torn down.

[UK2K]

israel has tunnel "censors" too, yet that doesnt stop the palestinians

how much do these tunnel "censors" cost anyway? is that included in trumps price tag? sounds expensive to install and maintain delicate seismic instruments along a 1900 mile wall.

We can take the cost from all the money we give them every year. Problem solved.

Yes, they would pay for it if we took it out of their allowance. People acting like Trump meant Mexico is going to write us a check are ignorant.

[CavaliersFTW]

The laws of legality are 100% arbitrary.

Your ancestors with absolute certainty did NOT come to this country having to do what Mexicans currently have to do to come here "legally".

By today's definition of what is required to immigrate here "legally" all of our Euro-American ancestors would be considered "illegal" immigrants. We just waltzed in here. Actually, we waltzed in here and usurped the powers that be. We trailed of tears'd the Natives. Thanks for the land, we have guns and technology now GTFO.

200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE MERELY LOOKING FOR WORK WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"

[shlver]

The laws of legality are 100% arbitrary.

Your ancestors with absolute certainty did NOT come to this country having to do what Mexicans currently have to do to come here "legally".

But today's definition of what is required to immigrate here "legally" all of our Euro-American ancestors would be considered "illegal" immigrants. We just waltzed in here. Actually, we waltzed in here and usurped the powers that be. We trailed of tears'd the Natives. Thanks for the land, we have guns and technology now GTFO.

200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"
:rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

The laws of legality are 100% arbitrary.

Your ancestors with absolute certainty did NOT come to this country having to do what Mexicans currently have to do to come here "legally".

By today's definition of what is required to immigrate here "legally" all of our Euro-American ancestors would be considered "illegal" immigrants. We just waltzed in here. Actually, we waltzed in here and usurped the powers that be. We trailed of tears'd the Natives. Thanks for the land, we have guns and technology now GTFO.

200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"
By this definition, freedom of speech is also 100% arbitrary.

Do you have any statistics and sources to back up your claims and statements?

Many Europeans actually were granted legal visas and the legal right to stay in America. My ancestors who came to America were granted visas by the US government, and came to America legally.

They did not sneak in illegally, nor did they stay in the country illegally.



200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"
You don't know very much about the visa application process if that's how you describe it.

[Dresta]

Why should it bother anyone?

They work harder on less appealing jobs and for lower wages than you and I... is that a criticism on them? ...or on us?

Would you milk cows on a dairy farm and sweep up their shit for 7 bucks an hour? Someone has got to.
No, if there weren't so many illegals flooding the labour market, then businesses would be forced to pay natives more for doing unpleasant jobs, ya know, like binmen get paid pretty well in the UK, for example. Doing an unpleasant job carries a premium if they aren't all being done by cheap labour immigrant programs (or illegals).

Do you not understand the concept of supply and demand or something?

[ALBballer]

Why do illegal immigrants settling in America not bother you?

Why would he have an issue with them? He doesn't live in their neighborhoods, if and/or when he has kids he probably wouldn't allow his children to attend public schools that are primarily attended by immigrant children, his current employment is not threatened by illegal workers and as he mentioned in the past he likes the cheap labor and the cheap restaurants they offer because afterall most liberals do not see Mexicans as humans rather cheap labor to be exploited because it is necessary for our economy and they also use them as pawns for the hispanic votes.

Personally I'm against the wall because the current system in place encourages illegal immigration. The government does not punish employers for hiring illegal undocumented workers, provides social benefits for undocumented workers, the constitution allows "anchor" babies to have US citizenship and finally our capitalistic economy exploits undocumented workers.

[Dresta]

The laws of legality are 100% arbitrary.

Your ancestors with absolute certainty did NOT come to this country having to do what Mexicans currently have to do to come here "legally".

By today's definition of what is required to immigrate here "legally" all of our Euro-American ancestors would be considered "illegal" immigrants. We just waltzed in here. Actually, we waltzed in here and usurped the powers that be. We trailed of tears'd the Natives. Thanks for the land, we have guns and technology now GTFO.

200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE MERELY LOOKING FOR WORK WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"
Again, another stupid comment. A system where illegal immigration is easy, and legal immigration extremely difficult and expensive, is a broken system.

[Brujesino]

Its going to cost a shit load of money and its going to be a waste because people in need will find a way to get over to the U.S

Most of the people I know who come over here illegally dont do it by jumping a fence anyways.

[Nick Young]

Why would he have an issue with them? He doesn't live in their neighborhoods, if and/or when he has kids he probably wouldn't allow his children to attend public schools that are primarily attended by immigrant children, his current employment is not threatened by illegal workers and as he mentioned in the past he likes the cheap labor and the cheap restaurants they offer because afterall most liberals do not see Mexicans as humans rather cheap labor to be exploited because it is necessary for our economy and they also use them as pawns for their votes.


Ug. You're right. Dead right. It's a shame how these people dehumanize and patronize Mexican immigrants. People like CavaliersFTW are seemingly unable to see them as human beings.

"golly gee, as long as I get my cheap Dennys experience, and clean movie theater toilets, them illegals are a-ok in my book!"

These midwest hicks and their bigotry...disgusting.

[UK2K]

Watch the video I posted in it's entirety. And stop calling it racist. It's reality, and it's about circumstances which individuals come from. Not race.

But if I said blacks are anti-hard work, you'd say that is....? And no, true is not the correct answer.

[9erempiree]

No border no country.

Bald Eagle Wall is needed.

[ALBballer]

The laws of legality are 100% arbitrary.

Your ancestors with absolute certainty did NOT come to this country having to do what Mexicans currently have to do to come here "legally".

By today's definition of what is required to immigrate here "legally" all of our Euro-American ancestors would be considered "illegal" immigrants. We just waltzed in here. Actually, we waltzed in here and usurped the powers that be. We trailed of tears'd the Natives. Thanks for the land, we have guns and technology now GTFO.

200 years later: "WE NEED A WALL TO KEEP OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE MERELY LOOKING FOR WORK WHO DON'T HAVE A TON OF DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN ARBITRARY PAPERWORK"

Under the same logic why have nation states at all? Let's all have open borders everywhere mixed with socialism. What could go wrong?

[CavaliersFTW]

No, if there weren't so many illegals flooding the labour market, then businesses would be forced to pay natives more for doing unpleasant jobs, ya know, like binmen get paid pretty well in the UK, for example. Doing an unpleasant job carries a premium if they aren't all being done by cheap labour immigrant programs (or illegals).

Do you not understand the concept of supply and demand or something?
Everything we take for granted will be more expensive. Not by a little, by a lot.

Say these dirty jobs that are presently paying people 5-10 dollars an hour open up to us natural born Americans. Even these unskilled dirty jobs we'd want say, 12-18$ plus some benefits for our time doing the filthy work would we not? Got to make a living right?

That's costing the employers like double for selling things like produce, milk, meat, and sanitation. That employer cost hike is going to be taken out of our pockets in the economy. How many people want their grocery bills and waste disposal costs doubled?

I'm sure it can be done if it is that way in places like Great Brittain. But there will be adverse effects.

[highwhey]

Lol at thinking a wall will stop Mexicans from crossing.

[Nick Young]

Under the same logic why have nation states at all? Let's all have open borders everywhere mixed with socialism. What could go wrong?
Let's just get rid of our system of law too. it is 100% arbitrary after all.

[CavaliersFTW]

Again, another stupid comment. A system where illegal immigration is easy, and legal immigration extremely difficult and expensive, is a broken system.
I agree. That's the point. Ergo, not a stupid comment.

[~primetime~]

i dont really like it symbolically. most friendly nations dont have walls along their borders, it just sends the wrong message. id rather spend the money to help these latin nations solve the problems that drive people to immigrate here in the first place.
it sends the perfect message IMO


"fix your country please, no one wants to live there"

[Nick Young]

Lol at thinking a wall will stop Mexicans from crossing.

Originally posted by shiver:
[QUOTE] Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border. [...]
[B]"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year." Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double

[9erempiree]

Too bad Trump wants to make this wall nice.

I would prefer some sort of turret on the wall.

This will deter a lot of immigrants. Just shoot.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/96sVqzEDnD4/maxresdefault.jpg

[Brujesino]

Originally posted by shiver:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928
Ok they stopped people jumping fences how about tunnels and coyotaje? You closed one door and they opened 3 more.

A wall isnt gonna stop my cousins from coming over and raping white women and selling drugs to white college kids.

[~primetime~]

I imagine a modern wall would decrease the number on illegals entering...not sure how much, maybe around 50%?

I don't think anyone has the idea it would completely eliminate them all together.

[shlver]

Ok they stopped people jumping fences how about tunnels and coyotaje? You closed one door and they opened 3 more.

A wall isnt gonna stop my cousins from coming over and raping white women and selling drugs to white college kids.
The goal is to not stop all illegals, the goal is to stem the flow so it is manageable.

[Brujesino]

The goal is to not stop all illegals, the goal is to stem the flow so it is manageable.
Yup and there are better ways then spending billions of dollars on a wall that wont help much.

[shlver]

Yup and there are better ways then spending billions of dollars on a wall that wont help much.
What are they?

[Nick Young]

Ok they stopped people jumping fences how about tunnels and coyotaje? You closed one door and they opened 3 more.

A wall isnt gonna stop my cousins from coming over and raping white women and selling drugs to white college kids.
If people really work hard to try to get in, they will find a way in. The wall will stop the majority of illegal immigration though.

[Nick Young]

Yup and there are better ways then spending billions of dollars on a wall that wont help much.
please post some proposals and examples.:cheers:


Do you know how much illegal immigration costs the US government every year?:confusedshrug:

[Brujesino]

What are they?
Um different paths to citizenship. Jobs being more strict on background checks.

Mainly stuff to do with jobs because thats the reason they jump fences, swim across rivers and go through tunnels.

The numbers will decrease if you take away the reason they want to come here. Not if you spend billions on a wall and dust your hands off like its done.

[Nick Young]

Um different paths to citizenship. Jobs being more strict on background checks.

Mainly stuff to do with jobs because thats the reason they jump fences, swim across rivers and go through tunnels.

The numbers will decrease if you take away the reason they want to come here. Not if you spend billions on a wall and dust your hands off like its done.
How do you stop business from hiring illegal laborers?

[9erempiree]

If you build a big wall it will defeat them.

Like someone said, if they want to get over here they will do extremes. That's fine. They will get caught eventually.

If someone wants to randomly come over....once they see that big ass wall they will change their mind.

[Brujesino]

please post some proposals and examples.:cheers:


Do you know how much illegal immigration costs the US government every year?:confusedshrug:
No idea alot I'm guessing.

The thread is what problem do I have with the wall going up and my problem is that its going to cost a shit load of money and its not gonna work.

I'm not smart enough to bring a complete solution to illegal immigration and neither are you because building a wall seems like an idea some drunking idiot had one night.

[ALBballer]

How do you stop business from hiring illegal laborers?

Fine the employer for any undocumented laborer hired.

[Nick Young]

Fine the employer for any undocumented laborer hired.
How do you catch them?

[UK2K]

Yup and there are better ways then spending billions of dollars on a wall that wont help much.

And people will always do drugs no matter what you do...

So legalize crack cocaine then? Meth? Bath salts?

People will always break the law no matter what, so lets not waste money prosecuting them because it wont stop it from happening in the future... Sound logic.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The goal is to not stop all illegals, the goal is to stem the flow so it is manageable.

Plummeting birthrates in Mexico have already taken care of that--they went from a 7.0-6.5 fertility rate in 1960-1970, to just 2.2 in 2012. Border crossings have slowed to a relative trickle as a result.

Reich-wingers need to step into reality and understand that our illegal immigrant population hasn't budged in half a decade, and is currently one million off its 2007 peak. Building a massive expensive wall (lol @ Trump's estimates) is unnecessary at this point.

Sidenote: several key industries (agriculture, construction) are experiencing labor shortages right now. This is due in large part to a decline in undocumented workers. Why aren't Americans filling the void? I thought illegals were hogging up all the primo career paths?


http://www.agriview.com/news/crop/labor-shortage-puts-food-supply-at-risk/article_a33dab5b-6600-557a-932c-9769ccac775a.htmlhttp://www.wsj.com/articles/labor-shortage-pinches-home-builders-1444688976

[Rocketswin2013]

Too bad Trump wants to make this wall nice.

I would prefer some sort of turret on the wall.

This will deter a lot of immigrants. Just shoot.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/96sVqzEDnD4/maxresdefault.jpg
:roll:

[DeuceWallaces]

Why would he have an issue with them? He doesn't live in their neighborhoods, if and/or when he has kids he probably wouldn't allow his children to attend public schools that are primarily attended by immigrant children, his current employment is not threatened by illegal workers and as he mentioned in the past he likes the cheap labor and the cheap restaurants they offer because afterall most liberals do not see Mexicans as humans rather cheap labor to be exploited because it is necessary for our economy and they also use them as pawns for the hispanic votes.

Personally I'm against the wall because the current system in place encourages illegal immigration. The government does not punish employers for hiring illegal undocumented workers, provides social benefits for undocumented workers, the constitution allows "anchor" babies to have US citizenship and finally our capitalistic economy exploits undocumented workers.

You don't know the slightest thing about where I live, how I grew up, or why I do or do not care about immigrants so you should probably shut the **** up as opposed to project whatever reasoning you have onto me.

[ALBballer]

You don't know the slightest thing about where I live, how I grew up, or why I do or do not care about immigrants so you should probably shut the **** up as opposed to project whatever reasoning you have onto me.

Sure I'm projecting though I'm probably more right than wrong but you have said that you like illegals because they work for slave wages and have cheap good restaurants. You're def a POS because you see them as people to be exploited while you appropriate their culture (dem SJW words doe:D).

[Nick Young]

Sure I'm projecting though I'm probably more right than wrong but you have said that you like illegals because they work for slave wages and have cheap good restaurants. You're def a POS because you see them as people to be exploited while you appropriate their culture (dem SJW words doe:D).
He has also said in the past that FUBU represents black culture the same way sombreros represent Mexican culture.:lol

[9erempiree]

He has also said in the past that FUBU represents black culture the same way sombreros represent Mexican culture.:lol
:lol

Deuce Wallace is a tard tarding to tard.

[DeuceWallaces]

Sure I'm projecting though I'm probably more right than wrong but you have said that you like illegals because they work for slave wages and have cheap good restaurants. You're def a POS because you see them as people to be exploited while you appropriate their culture (dem SJW words doe:D).

No, you don't know shit about what neighborhoods I've grown up in and where I've lived as an adult. I have said, and still believe, that I don't believe native lower middle class citizens will be willing to work in the migrant camps I've seen. I also enjoy cheaper apples, blueberries, and other produce and not sure myself and the rest of the middle class could afford the chain reaction of migrant workers making minimum wage or being deported.

[ALBballer]

He has also said in the past that FUBU represents black culture the same way sombreros represent Mexican culture.:lol

Oh shit how could I forget this gem as well.

:roll: :roll:

Scary part is he wasn't even trolling. He's so ****ing naive on different cultures that he equates black people to FUBU and Mexicans to sombreros.

Ye this ****er will throw around words like "racist, bigot, misogynist" etc because when he tries to make an argument his naiveness shines through.

[DeuceWallaces]

He has also said in the past that FUBU represents black culture the same way sombreros represent Mexican culture.:lol

:facepalm

You really aren't very bright, are you?

[DeuceWallaces]

Oh shit how could I forget this gem as well.

:roll: :roll:

Scary part is he wasn't even trolling. He's so ****ing naive on different cultures that he equates black people to FUBU and Mexicans to sombreros.

Ye this ****er will throw around words like "racist, bigot, misogynist" etc because when he tries to make an argument his naiveness shines through.

Are you that stupid? You honestly think a bunch of 19 year old white kids wearing dollar store sombreros while serving tacos in the dorm cafeteria is an homage to traditional mexican culture? Is that really how stupid you are?

[9erempiree]

Are you that stupid? You honestly think a bunch of 19 year old white kids wearing dollar store sombreros while serving tacos in the dorm cafeteria is an homage to traditional mexican culture? Is that really how stupid you are?

Your response to him doesn't make sense.

:facepalm

Comprehension please.

[Brujesino]

And people will always do drugs no matter what you do...

So legalize crack cocaine then? Meth? Bath salts?

People will always break the law no matter what, so lets not waste money prosecuting them because it wont stop it from happening in the future... Sound logic.
What the fvck are you talking about?

This thread asked a specific question and I gave a specific response everything I said was a about the wall being built. I never once said lets not give a shit and let everyone in.

Use some logic.

[andgar923]

Lol @ people trying to get rid of an issue that's actually needed.

[Nick Young]

Lol @ people trying to get rid of an issue that's actually needed.
So you believe that the Great Wall of Mexico is needed? Why?

[andgar923]

So you believe that the Great Wall of Mexico is needed? Why?
Illegal immigrants are needed.

Trump and republicans have never actually wanted them gone. They NEED them, they want them.

Cheap unregulated labor is what many businesses are built on.

So while they want to make it harder for immigrants to come here, they really don't want them gone.

I've seen, worked, and done business with companies that rely on illegal immigrants. It's a revolving door that they take full advantage of.

And we all benefit from.

So don't drink the kook-aid, Trump doesn't really want illegal immigrants out.

[Nick Young]

Illegal immigrants are needed.

Trump and republicans have never actually wanted them gone. They NEED them, they want them.

Cheap unregulated labor is what many businesses are built on.

So while they want to make it harder for immigrants to come here, they really don't want them gone.

I've seen, worked, and done business with companies that rely on illegal immigrants. It's a revolving door that they take full advantage of.

And we all benefit from.

So don't drink the kook-aid, Trump doesn't really want illegal immigrants out.
Why is Trump saying that he wants the immigrants out?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Why is Trump saying that he wants the immigrants out?
Why does Hillary pretend to be Progressive?

[Dresta]

It's amazing that so many of these left-wing types are such shills for the perpetuation of corporate oligarchy.

"we all benefit from it"

"cheap and illegal immigrant labour is what we need; we'd be ****ed without it"

No, the bourgeois bohemian middle class (many of whom work cushty government jobs) benefit from this, with their cheap nannies, cleaners, carers, and restaurants, and other people (particularly unsuccessful minority groups like blacks, and young black men in particular) suffer. Tis great to have lots of poor and unemployed young black men: it really builds social cohesion and harmony, and doesn't lead to disillusionment, crime and polarisation at all. :rolleyes:


How can you one minute be clamouring for a $15 minimum wage, and the next support and encourage large businesses with their 'revolving door' policies, that impoverish the already poor and unfortunate, and penalise Americans for being American? How hard is supply and demand to comprehend? Why are people voicing their ignorant opinions when they can't understand this very simple concept?

[Nick Young]

Why does Hillary pretend to be Progressive?
You tell me. Why does she?

[andgar923]

It's amazing that so many of these left-wing types are such shills for the perpetuation of corporate oligarchy.

"we all benefit from it"

"cheap and illegal immigrant labour is what we need; we'd be ****ed without it"

No, the bourgeois bohemian middle class (many of whom work cushty government jobs) benefit from this, with their cheap nannies, cleaners, carers, and restaurants, and other people (particularly unsuccessful minority groups like blacks, and young black men in particular) suffer. Tis great to have lots of poor and unemployed young black men: it really builds social cohesion and harmony, and doesn't lead to disillusionment, crime and polarisation at all. :rolleyes:


How can you one minute be clamouring for a $15 minimum wage, and the next support and encourage large businesses with their 'revolving door' policies, that impoverish the already poor and unfortunate, and penalise Americans for being American? How hard is supply and demand to comprehend? Why are people voicing their ignorant opinions when they can't understand this very simple concept?

We ALL benefit from illegal immigration, not just 'middle class'.

[andgar923]

Why is Trump saying that he wants the immigrants out?
politics

Same reason republicans have been saying it for years, it gets them votes and donation money. When they've been exposed repeatedly for hiring illegal immigrants in one way or another.

illegal immigration is a wedge issue that rallies up their voter base and brings in the donations. It's rhetoric that they don't truly believe in, and they know will get the suckers to vote for them.

[bluechox2]

turn it into a tourist attraction

[dunksby]

This great wall project is a symbol for Americans to feel safe from "illegal immigrants", it won't solve in anything in reality, but whatever makes people think there is something being done about it. I mean when you look at from the outside, it's the first thing that comes to a primitive mind whenever one feels threatened. It's as effective as a blanket is against monsters in the closet.

[kurple]

Please tell me why you don't like the Great Wall of Mexico.

Do you believe that people in Mexico should be able to freely and illegally cross the American border?

If you like the Great Wall of Mexico, what do you like about it?


Please discuss.
Why doesnt every country have walls around them? America aint the only ones getting illegal immigrants

[Nick Young]

politics

Same reason republicans have been saying it for years, it gets them votes and donation money. When they've been exposed repeatedly for hiring illegal immigrants in one way or another.

illegal immigration is a wedge issue that rallies up their voter base and brings in the donations. It's rhetoric that they don't truly believe in, and they know will get the suckers to vote for them.
Trump's campaign is funded already, why is he talking about the issue of illegal immigration?

[Nick Young]

Why doesnt every country have walls around them? America aint the only ones getting illegal immigrants
Not all nations recieve the same amount of illegal immigrants. The amount of illegal immigrants in Norway for example is much tinier than the amount in USA. You are speaking from a position of privilege here, so I am to just say it in a way you can understand-Check your privilege.

[andgar923]

Trump's campaign is funded already, why is he talking about the issue of illegal immigration?
You ignored the first part you bolded.

[BoutPractice]

- The wall would cost a fortune. The cost isn't just the cost of building it, but also maintenance and of course, extra border personnel without which the policy is meaningless

- It would do very little to curb the number of illegal immigrants in the US compared to its cost and to the cost of similar policies with the same end goal. If you want to reduce the illegal population, Trump's other policy of large scale deportation is much more radical and efficient (though also very costly in absolute terms).

Deporting millions of illegal immigrants would not only instantly reduce their total population by a significant percentage, but it would also send a clear message to those who might be considering emigration. So if you want to achieve Trump's goals, shock-and-awe deportation is a lot more effective - for each dollar you spend on it, you reduce the population by a much greater number.

- Mexico would not pay for it - but the argument over who pays for it would cause a trade war hurting both sides should Trump refuse to back down

- The number of illlegal immigrants from Mexico has actually gone down by about a million since Obama took office, so it's not so urgent a problem that you need a policy that epic in scope and ambitions

[Dresta]

We ALL benefit from illegal immigration, not just 'middle class'.
:facepalm

Just because you assert something without making an argument doesn't make it true. It clearly doesn't benefit everyone (nothing does that); i mean, seriously, what an incredibly idiotic thing to say.

It benefits the wealthy and middle classes for quite obvious reasons, and for just as obvious reasons hurts the poor and unskilled--there's a reason why the former are massively in favour, and the latter strongly opposed (and also a reason why the former have to run a smear campaign against the latter, so as to scare them into acquiescing to their own disenfranchisement). It's just a new form of elitism: the wealthy and middle classes banding together to laugh at and ridicule all the stupid and bigoted and ridiculous proles: this same scenario has been played out in history, over and over again, and the arrogance and blindness of elites, who seem completely unaware of what they're doing (a bit like the pre-revolution French aristocracy), almost always ends destructively (and maybe that's what we're seeing now with Trump and Sanders).

Most people don't appreciate your conceit, and most people don't like being told by the privileged that they're benefitting from something that has clearly affected their lives negatively. But yeah, keep sitting there thinking that things only started to go pear-shaped with Trump and the supposed rise of white bigotry.

:sleeping

[Blue&Orange]

Why do illegal immigrants settling in America not bother you?


the country is the world's third or fourth-largest by total area[fn 3] and the third most populous. It is one of the world's most ethnically diverse and multicultural nations, the product of large-scale immigration from many countries.
Pretty sure apaches, Cherokee etc.. etc.. feel the same way about you. And here you are. Problably your ancestors were rapists and murderers that fled from europe.

[BasedTom]

Please tell me why you don't like the Great Wall of Mexico.

Do you believe that people in Mexico should be able to freely and illegally cross the American border?

If you like the Great Wall of Mexico, what do you like about it?


Please discuss.
It doesn't surround Texas and California

[NumberSix]

The Chinese built a wall for military purposes to keep Mongols at bay.

They did not build it to stop this totally arbitrary concept of "illegal immigration".

And it is indeed arbitrary. The U.S. makes it difficult to become a U.S. citizen legally from the perspective of an impoverished but otherwise hardworking and good intentioned Mexican.
Isn't the concept of Mexico having its own government arbitrary? Why doesn't the United States government just go ahead and govern that land?

[NumberSix]

Illegal immigrants are needed.

Trump and republicans have never actually wanted them gone. They NEED them, they want them.

Cheap unregulated labor is what many businesses are built on.

So while they want to make it harder for immigrants to come here, they really don't want them gone.

I've seen, worked, and done business with companies that rely on illegal immigrants. It's a revolving door that they take full advantage of.

And we all benefit from.

So don't drink the kook-aid, Trump doesn't really want illegal immigrants out.
Cheap unregulated labor is why the ultra rich get to pay pennies for labor, not hire people who want more than pennies and keep all the money for themselves. If you're going to advocate for this continuing, stop bitching about "income inequality".

[NumberSix]

Why doesnt every country have walls around them? America aint the only ones getting illegal immigrants
America is an odd case of being the worlds richest country that shares a border with a third world crime infested shithole. There's no need to have a wall between Germany and France or between England and Scotland.

You live in Norway right? Just imagine if Norway shared a border with Somalia.

[dunksby]

America is an odd case of being the worlds richest country that shares a border with a third world crime infested shithole. There's no need to have a wall between Germany and France or between England and Scotland.

You live in Norway right? Just imagine if Norway shared a border with Somalia.
You mean Sweden? :lol

[Lebron23]

Patrickchewing doesn't like this idea.

[kurple]

Not all nations recieve the same amount of illegal immigrants. The amount of illegal immigrants in Norway for example is much tinier than the amount in USA. You are speaking from a position of privilege here, so I am to just say it in a way you can understand-Check your privilege.
You are really ****ing stupid if you think a wall would stop illegal immigration.. You just makes it a tiny bit harder and probably more $$$ for the guys working with human trafficking

[kurple]

You mean Sweden? :lol
Oslo is like 40% Swedes now

I ain't hating, they are cool.

Why don't Americans feel the same way about Mexicans? Because they steal yo job at McDonald's?

[kurple]

Can't think of anything more Beta than building a wall to keep your neighbors from taking all the minimum wage jobs

[NumberSix]

Oslo is like 40% Swedes now

I ain't hating, they are cool.

Why don't Americans feel the same way about Mexicans? Because they steal yo job at McDonald's?
Americans like Mexicans. America is by far the most generous country in the world to immigrants. What Americans don't like is ILLEGALS.

[dunksby]

Oslo is like 40% Swedes now

I ain't hating, they are cool.

Why don't Americans feel the same way about Mexicans? Because they steal yo job at McDonald's?
I meant the Somalians.

[embersyc]

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Unless they're dirty mexicans, then GTFO.

[9erempiree]

Mexico will have GOAT wall.

[NumberSix]

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Unless they're dirty mexicans, then GTFO.
Because an enscription on a statue is super serious business. I think it's the law. I think it's called the "Statue of limitations".

[embersyc]

Because an enscription on a statue is super serious business. I think it's the law. I think it's called the "Statue of limitations".

It's hypocritical for a nation of immigrants to tell people to stay out.

[NumberSix]

It's not hypocritical for a nation of immigrants to tell illegals to stay out.
fixed.

[Dresta]

It's hypocritical for a nation of immigrants to tell people to stay out.
No, it really isn't: controlling your borders is the most basic requirement of government, and the most basic kind of common sense. I mean what are you seriously suggesting, that the US let everyone in? Do you seriously have no idea how disastrous a policy that would be?

Bringing up the Statue of Liberty inscription as if that proves otherwise is simply fatuous. When that was inscribed America still had plenty of rules regarding immigration, and they were expected to be enforced.


"b-b-but, nation of immigrants"

:facepalm

[9erempiree]

It's hypocritical for a nation of immigrants to tell people to stay out.

Do you have the door open at your house?

Tear down the fences?