Tim Duncan doesn't care about Kobe or his retirement tour.

[Rocketswin2013]

he just doesn't give a shit about a guy who's top priority is getting lifetime achievement awards and setting brick records.

[QUOTE]But when asked once again whether he felt sad that he would never again share the court with Bryant, Duncan responded,

[JohnFreeman]

Duncan the true winner

[keep-itreal]

Alpha

[TheMarkMadsen]

why does the OP seem so upset?

[Donkey4trading]

So Duncan isn't sad to see a guy leave who made a career out of killing him in the playoffs... NO SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:

[AngelEyes]

So Duncan isn't sad to see a guy leave who made a career out of killing him in the playoffs... NO SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:

Sure didn't kill him in 1999 or 2003.

[Donkey4trading]

Sure didn't kill him in 1999 or 2003.


maybe because he played the entire series with a torn labrum in 03? The same injury that sidelined him just two year ago.

Kobe beat the spurs in the playoffs more times than he lost. OP seems upset, he only used the quote that Duncan gave after like the 4th Kobe question he had gotten in a row, his annoyed response was warranted. here is what the Spurs had to say about Kobe

Duncan

[QUOTE]

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sure didn't kill him in 1999 or 2003.


tell us about 01, 02 and 08

Kobe absolutely murdered the Spurs

His series stats have been posted 1,000 times, but how about this?


01 4th quarter playoff stats against the Spurs

Kobe = 10ppg on 47%

Duncan = 5ppg on 39%

02 4th quarter playoff stats Lakers vs Spurs

Kobe = 10ppg on 59% FG

Duncan = 6ppg on 50%

08 4th quarter stats Lakers vs Spurs

Kobe = 10ppg on 54%

Duncan = 6ppg on 39%


This is part of the reason he is known as the spurs killer, he lit them up in the 4th of playoff games

[SpaceJam]

Dude just wanted to get out of there

If you watch the video he keeps looking around like a crack head lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1sPLLFDYw

[ShawkFactory]

Why would he?

He can respect Kobe. But he isn't gonna kiss his ass...

[plowking]

Kobe has a losing record against Duncan in H2H's.

Even taking into account playoffs and regular season.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe Bryant favorite memory against Spurs:
[QUOTE]

[SpaceJam]

You know what though, Kobe probably respects that response more then any he has gotten

That ice cold killer instinct

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe's giving the Spurs too much credit

They only beat the Lakers in 99, and 03

Lakers beat the Spurs in 01 (Kobe leading scorer + assist) 02, (Kobe leading scorer + assist) 04 (leading scorer + assist) 08 (Kobe leading scorer + assist)

edit: aw shit this man Kobe is giving the Spurs credit for 2013 when Kobe didn't even play, humblebe doe :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Savage

To be fair though, watching that video, Duncan came off a bit salty. Whats the issue and why was dude getting all bent out of shape for? Its Kobe's last game vs San Antonio, obviously the media is gonna ask him "nostalgia" and "legacy" questions.

[bigkingsfan]

Why respect someone shooting 35%, this is long overdue.

[Young X]

Kobe has a losing record against Duncan in H2H's.

Even taking into account playoffs and regular season.Only because of how trash the Lakers have been the past few years. Considering their prime years, it's safe to say Kobe is a Spurs killer.

[JohnFreeman]

Savage

To be fair though, watching that video, Duncan came off a bit salty. Whats the issue and why was dude getting all bent out of shape for? Its Kobe's last game vs San Antonio, obviously the media is gonna ask him "nostalgia" and "legacy" questions.
How is he salty? He just doesn't give a shit

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan love Kobe.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe has a losing record against Duncan in H2H's.

Even taking into account playoffs and regular season.

His career numbers against Duncan are 23 ppg on 42%fg and 4 apg. It's abysmal:cheers:

:applause: Timmy

[TheImmortal]

Duncan is a chich.. so this isn't all that surprising he came off the way he did.

[Cocaine80s]

This MarkMadsen dude is melting down hard:roll:

[raprap]

the meltdowns :roll:

[You Cant Ban Me]

DWade-

"He is the michael jordan of our era."
LeBron-

"He's a legend."
im so nba'd out -

"I will never forget that night in eagle colorado.He is a rapist and should be forced to register as a sexual predator for the rest of his life."

[Kobe_6/8]

he just doesn't give a shit about a guy who's top priority is getting lifetime achievement awards and setting brick records.

"It was always a great game against him," Duncan said. "You knew you had to bring your A game, because he's going to bring the best out of you."

Duncan was asked to describe Bryant in one word.

"Competitor," Duncan said.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14811234/nba-kobe-bryant-last-battle-spurs

Why would Duncan care? He probably is salty at Bryant for eliminating him 3 times in 4 seasons during Duncan's peak.

[bigkingsfan]

8th all time vs 12th :yaohappy:

[raprap]

8th all time vs 12th :yaohappy:
:yaohappy:

[JohnFreeman]

:yaohappy:
:yaohappy:

[Keno]

legend. not following for the gay parade, true alpha.

[oh the horror]

Duncan gives similar responses like Pop. The media fishes for answers that the Spurs never give them. This isn't surprising. He gave a stock answer to a stupid question.

[Kawhi]

Tim is an ice cold OG.

[rmt]

Kobe fans mad that Duncan isn't slobbering over Kobe like everyone else.

[SugarHill]

Kobe fans mad that Duncan isn't slobbering over Kobe like everyone else.
Exactly.

[Showtime2001]

All I see in here are Bran stans melting down as usual.

:oldlol:

[SpaceJam]

Damn Kobe's thoughts on Duncan when told bout it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbqYr2MWIAAI1Zk.jpg

Just playin yo

[BuffaloBill]

https://youtu.be/8D1sPLLFDYw

Here's the video of the interview if no one posted it

[Magic 32]

4-3 ?

When did Duncan beat Kobe a third time?

[Shih508]

Spurs was always there for Lakers to compete in PO cuz they were always good. On the other hand, Kobe only played against Spurs when he had good teams, like with Shaq and Pau and he could barely pull off 4-3 record. If he had to face Spurs all those years from 98-2015, he'd be prolly be 5-12 or 6-11 at best in favor of Spurs easily

[Mr Feeny]

4-3 ?

When did Duncan beat Kobe a third time?

Kobe never beat Duncan or vice versa. Their teams did.
Duncan faced Shaq's teams and then had the longevity to face Kobe's teams and is still playing decent as 39/40 year old in the process of out lasting a chucker who's humiliating himself and putting one of the worst nba seasons of all time. Possibly the single worst season ever.

Btw, your hero's stats against Duncan teams: 23 ppg on 42%fg and 4 apg:roll:

[KnittingRyu]

Duncan stays winning.

[G0ATbe]

Kobe's a known Spurs killer and has wiped his ass with Duncan his entire career. Why would he miss him? :facepalm

[Mr Feeny]

Spurs was always there for Lakers to compete in PO cuz they were always good. On the other hand, Kobe only played against Spurs when he had good teams, like with Shaq and Pau and he could barely pull off 4-3 record. If he had to face Spurs all those years from 98-2015, he'd be prolly be 5-12 or 6-11 at best in favor of Spurs easily
Or even this season. Notice that Duncan lead his teams deeper than Kobe did in all seasons since 2012.

Duncan as as 37 year old (Kobe's age) was incredible putting up 25 points and 15 rebounds in the first half alone of as finals closeout game. Kobe meanwhile at this age is...well...:oldlol:

Duncan takes the spurs back as a 38 year old and anchors their defense as the spurs win the title. This year, he's odds on to take his spurs back to the conference finals while Kobe is on pace to give the Lakers their worst season in franchise history.
:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe's a known Spurs killer and has wiped his ass with Duncan his entire career. Why would he miss him? :facepalm

Has he now?:lol

23 ppg and 4apg on 42%fg. Sounds horrific to me for a volume shooter:roll:

[HenryGarfunkle]

Duncan is such a boss.

He's the anti-kobe. Selfless, all about winning even if it means taking a backseat, doesn't care about attention, willing to take a pay-cut, isn't overly emotional about a stupid child's game and has other fish to fry once he retires...

He has the alpha attitude. Kobe's always been an attention seeking beta, and it's nice to know Duncan is way higher than Kobe on the all-time list as he should be. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan stays winning.

Except in the playoffs vs Kobe.:cheers:

[Optimus Prime]

Duncan is much like Pop. He's focused on basketball and hates all these games the media plays. That's all this is.

:kobe:

[catch24]

Anyone see the vid? Dude looked around like a crackhead when he was asked about Kobe. :oldlol:

KB decimating the Spurs throughout the playoffs has obviously left an everlasting impression.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Duncan is much like Pop. He's focused on basketball and hates all these games the media plays. That's all this is.

:kobe:
Where as Kobe embraces the media hoopla because he never had any friends growing up and he's desperate for any attention he can get. :lol

Duncan has a healthy psyche. Kobe doesn't. Period.

It's no wonder so many mentally ill people are attracted to kobes personality. (just look at this board, the kobe stans are some of the sickest people on the internet.)

[HOoopCityJones]

Anyone see the vid? Dude looked around like a crackhead when he was asked about Kobe. :oldlol:

KB decimating the Spurs throughout the playoffs has obviously left an everlasting impression.

I noticed as well. :lol

[Draz]

Alpha as fck

[HOoopCityJones]

Where as Kobe embraces the media hoopla because he never had any friends growing up and he's desperate for any attention he can get. :lol

Duncan has a healthy psyche. Kobe doesn't. Period.

It's no wonder so many mentally ill people are attracted to kobes personality. (just look at this board, the kobe stans are some of the sickest people on the internet.)

While I agree with this statement in some respect, you Kobe demonizers aren't any better. Your entire post aside from the bold is full of shit quite frankly.

[HenryGarfunkle]

While I agree with this statement in some respect, you Kobe demonizers aren't any better. Your entire post aside from the bold is full of shit quite frankly.
Bullshit... Kobe grew up anti-social and without friends... it's well documented

He's a narcissistic, anti-social, attention seeking sicko. His personality is what tore the early 2000's lakers apart and is what tore the modern day lakers apart too. You're blind or delusional if you can't see that.

[catch24]

Where as Kobe embraces the media hoopla because he never had any friends growing up and he's desperate for any attention he can get. :lol

Duncan has a healthy psyche. Kobe doesn't. Period.

It's no wonder so many mentally ill people are attracted to kobes personality. (just look at this board, the kobe stans are some of the sickest people on the internet.)

The guy with a million ISH accounts questioning other people's psyche. Jesus :oldlol:

[HenryGarfunkle]

The guy with a million ISH accounts questioning other people's psyche. Jesus :oldlol:
I post on 1 account at a time, and always have. JESUS. You're a jealous loser and can only aspire to be me. I always win because I seek truth, and nothing beats hardcore truth. You can lie and make accusations but it won't make you any less of a loser.

[Chokefree]

I post on 1 account at a time, and always have. JESUS. You're a jealous loser and can only aspire to be me. I always win because I seek truth, and nothing beats hardcore truth. You can lie and make accusations but it won't make you any less of a loser.
you dont win when you have 10+ accounts all with 1000+ posts in them in less than 6 months LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[catch24]

I post on 1 account at a time, and always have. JESUS. You're a jealous loser and can only aspire to be me. I always win because I seek truth, and nothing beats hardcore truth. You can lie and make accusations but it won't make you any less of a loser.

No job, illiterate, with dozens of banned accounts on a basketball message-board where you play "psychoanalysis freud".

I would literally have to be on the verge of killing myself to contemplate such aspiration.

[HenryGarfunkle]

you dont win when you have 10+ accounts all with 1000+ posts in them in less than 6 months LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Lies from a mentally ill midget with paranoid delusions who got banned on his main account for calling someone a n1gger. :violin:

You're the shining example of the mentally disturbed kobe stans I was talking about, bravo. Great timing. :applause:

Truth always wins. :dancin

[west_tip]

:applause: These retirement tours are gay AF. Just retire already. :sleeping

I am so hype to see Duncan when the Spurs roll into Sac on Wednesday. :bowdown:

[HenryGarfunkle]

No job, illiterate, with dozens of banned accounts on a basketball message-board where you play "psychoanalysis freud".

I would literally have to be on the verge of killing myself to contemplate such aspiration.
More lies... more baseless accusations...

:lol

It's like you're trying to prove my point. I'm spot-on about you though - you're a lifelong loser outcast who won't ever be remembered for anything significant... you're probably ugly and have mediocre talent. I'm certain about it. You suck.

:violin:

[T_L_P]

Savage

To be fair though, watching that video, Duncan came off a bit salty. Whats the issue and why was dude getting all bent out of shape for? Its Kobe's last game vs San Antonio, obviously the media is gonna ask him "nostalgia" and "legacy" questions.

And he wasn't interested in answering them, since he really doesn't care about any one he hasn't played with. :confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

Kobe owned the Spurs when it counts. I'm pretty sure Duncan can't forgot all those beatings:oldlol:

[catch24]

you dont win when you have 10+ accounts all with 1000+ posts in them in less than 6 months LOL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Guy is an absolute trainwreck. I gave him some of that attention he was desperately craving, but Budaddi is never satisfied. He'll come back with more denial and deflections because that's all that he has left.

Dude has literally convinced himself that this "Garfunkle" account is the only one he's ever posted on. Crazy bastard. :oldlol:

[HenryGarfunkle]

Guy is an absolute trainwreck. I gave him some of that attention he was desperately craving, but Budaddi is never satisfied. He'll come back with more denial and deflections because that's all that he has left.

Dude has literally convinced himself that this "Garfunkle" account is the only one he's ever posted on. Crazy bastard. :oldlol:
Never once did I say that... So, another lie. LOL. I'm exposing you left and right.

And you do realize you're taking the side of 20four, and if you knew anything about anything you'd realize how much of a self-ether that is. :oldlol:

Yikes. I destroyed you without even trying. You lose again, because you suck, just as I said.

TRUTH WINS.

[34-24 Footwork]

Never once did I say that... So, another lie. LOL. I'm you exposing left and right.

And you do realize you're taking the side of 20four, and if you knew anything about anything you'd realize how much of a self-ether that is. :oldlol:

Yikes. I destroyed you without even trying. You lose again, because you suck, just as I said.

TRUTH WINS.

It's over man. Stop posting. Save face instead.

[HenryGarfunkle]

It's over man. Stop posting. Save face instead.
It's 'over' because you're another jealous loser who can't take the truth.

Another guy on 20four's side. You're definitely a winner! :roll:

Yiiiiikes.

[catch24]

Never once did I say that... So, another lie. LOL. I'm you exposing left and right.

And you do realize you're taking the side of 20four, and if you knew anything about anything you'd realize how much of a self-ether that is. :oldlol:

Yikes. I destroyed you without even trying. You lose again, because you suck, just as I said.

TRUTH WINS.

So...you admit that you have multiple accounts on here?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3707599/dirk-nowitzki-kill-insect-o.gif

I rarely even post these days, and I got this seasoned troll jumping through loops. Keep doing you, Budaddi. Whatever it is....that you do....

[HenryGarfunkle]

So...you admit that you have multiple accounts on here?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3707599/dirk-nowitzki-kill-insect-o.gif

I rarely even post here these days, and I got this seasoned troll jumping through loops. Keep doing you, Budaddi. Whatever it is....that you do....
I covered this in my first reply, you retard. God you're ****ing slow.

I said I always post on 1 account at a time... which means yes, I've had an account that was banned permanently, but it doesn't mean I have dozens of alts circulating around here like you lied about.

BTW - it took you a long ass time to come up with a reply, because you have nothing to say to me. Because you know I exposed you, and this is just you fleeing from the scene with a mega back-peddle.

:facepalm Oh, and I don't post much either anymore... usually only on the weekends, you wanna cookie?

But ok bro, I'll keep being a winner while you keep being a nobody on here and in life. Cheers!

[HOoopCityJones]

Gus it's time to catch your Bus.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Gus it's time to catch your Bus.
Lying doesn't get you anymore... being wrong doesn't get you anywhere. Either be smart or tell the truth... because I'm not Gus, and you probably know that.

I'm always on the right side of the ether. Gus took some hits I would've never allowed to happen, which proves I'm not that guy.

[livinglegend]

Kobe is retiring? When?
Lakers fans should be celebrating 24/7.

[tpols]

I have duncan at number 4 right now on my GOAT list, but im about to kick that ******* out of my top 5 if he keeps talkin shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn, watchin that vid, dude doesnt give a shit about this Kobe tour

Neither did Dirk.

True Alphas

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Buda was Gus? I doubt it, much more likely that Gus was dubeta.

[sportjames23]

Damn Kobe's thoughts on Duncan when told bout it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbqYr2MWIAAI1Zk.jpg

Just playin yo


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[HenryGarfunkle]

Damn, watchin that vid, dude doesnt give a shit about this Kobe tour

Neither did Dirk.

True Alphas
You got it bro! You know what's up. :pimp:

[sportjames23]

I post on 1 account at a time, and always have. JESUS. You're a jealous loser and can only aspire to be me. I always win because I seek truth, and nothing beats hardcore truth. You can lie and make accusations but it won't make you any less of a loser.


So you admit to having multiple alts? :oldlol:

Edit: he admitted it.

[Magic 32]

Has he now?:lol

23 ppg and 4apg on 42%fg. Sounds horrific to me for a volume shooter:roll:

Looks like Lebron 2013 finals.

And you include Kobe games as a 18, 19 and 200 year old.

What did he do between 2000 and 2013?

[TheMarkMadsen]

.

Btw, your hero's stats against Duncan teams: 23 ppg on 42%fg and 4 apg:roll:

why do you feel the need to lie about the numbers?

regular season = 24/6/5/ on 43% (clearly this year and last hurt his averages)

playoffs = 28/6/5 on 47%

dumbass :oldlol: :oldlol:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bryanko01&p2=duncati01

[raprap]

Looks like Lebron 2013 finals.

And you include Kobe games as a 18, 19 and 200 year old.

What did he do between 2000 and 2013?
200 year old bean :kobe:

[Magic 32]

200 year old bean :kobe:

Well he's close.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Kobe fans: why do you keep bringing up 2002? Did you even watch the series? 2001, 2004 and 2008 is fine, but 2002? Nah. That year was arguably Duncan's peak and he was on another level.

In 2002 vs. the Lakers, he put up 29/17/4/1/3 on 51 TS% for the series and 34/25/4/1/2 on 58 TS% in the close out. What more could he have possibly done?

For comparison, Kobe put up 26/5/5/1 on 48 TS% and Shaq put up 21/12/3/3 on 48 TS% while Duncan's second option Tony Parker put up 14/2/5/1 on 40 TS%.

The ****? But Kobe 'killed' Duncan and the Spurs here, though, right?

:coleman:

[Magic 32]

In 2002 vs. the Lakers, he put up 29/17/4/1/3 on 51 TS% for the series and 34/25/4/1/2 on 58 TS% in the close out. What more could he have possibly done?
:

Could have made a FG or hit some FT's in the last qtr of game 4.

0-2 from the floor.

1-4 from the foul line.

That would help.

Meanwhile Kobe went 9-12 FG in the 4th in game 3 and 4.

[plowking]

Kobe fans: why do you keep bringing up 2002? Did you even watch the series? 2001, 2004 and 2008 is fine, but 2002? Nah. That year was arguably Duncan's peak and he was on another level.

In 2002 vs. the Lakers, he put up 29/17/4/1/3 on 51 TS% for the series and 34/25/4/1/2 on 58 TS% in the close out. What more could he have possibly done?

For comparison, Kobe put up 26/5/5/1 on 48 TS% and Shaq put up 21/12/3/3 on 48 TS% while Duncan's second option Tony Parker put up 14/2/5/1 on 40 TS%.

The ****? But Kobe 'killed' Duncan and the Spurs here, though, right?

:coleman:

You're talking to Kobe fans bro.

The narrative is more important than the foundation and facts behind what actually happened. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

You're talking to Kobe fans bro.

The narrative is more important than the foundation and facts behind what actually happened. :oldlol:

Enjoy the narrative. Right here.

75% shooting in the 4th in back to back road games...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8HgzXLQCTM&t=5m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPzC-eAQ_Ck&t=3m1s

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Could have made a FG or hit some FT's in the last qtr of game 4.

0-2 from the floor.

1-4 from the foul line.

That would help.

Meanwhile Kobe went 9-12 FG in the 4th in game 3 and 4.

Dude, your boy Kobe and Shaq had much higher margin for error than Duncan in '02, '03, etc. Your guy had literally the MDE by his side. OTOH, Duncan had one of the worst second options in NBA history for a championship squad and still managed to deliver the goods. You can say 4-3 or 4-2 however many times you want, at the end of the day Kobe was never able to lead a team like that as the only All-Star/All-NBA player. We all seen what Kobe was able to do when he didn't have any help and it was miss the play offs/get bounced in the first. Basically, what this all comes down to is...

8 > 12

Deal with it.

:oldlol:

[rmt]

I have duncan at number 4 right now on my GOAT list, but im about to kick that ******* out of my top 5 if he keeps talkin shit.

C'mon, tpols, you would change your ranking because of something he says. Not logical at all :(

You know he's not gonna allow Spurs to put out a circus like this for him even in SA.

[lilteapot]

Savage

To be fair though, watching that video, Duncan came off a bit salty. Whats the issue and why was dude getting all bent out of shape for? Its Kobe's last game vs San Antonio, obviously the media is gonna ask him "nostalgia" and "legacy" questions.
He's not getting bent out of shape, he just doesn't want his time wasted after a win, talking about someone else. It has nothing to do with him.

[STATUTORY]

salty b!tchmade n99a

jealousy is an effeminate trait

[Magic 32]

at the end of the day Kobe was never able to lead a team like that as the only All-Star/All-NBA player. We all seen what Kobe was able to do when he didn't have any help and it was miss the play offs/get bounced in the first.
:oldlol:

Why would I want to a player who can carry a bad team to a high playoff spot and then always lose to the better team?

Meaningless ability.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Why would I want to a player who can carry a bad team to a high playoff spot and then always lose to the better team?

Meaningless ability.

You retarded? Duncan carried trash to a chip, Kobe carried trash to a first round exit. Get out the Twilight Zone, little fella. Fa real.

:oldlol:

[Smoke117]

This isn't really surprisingly...Duncan has always been a very grounded guy. I remember listening to the radio and they were saying how if Bosh couldn't play competitively ever again it really wouldn't be that devastating for him...and that's true. Bosh doesn't live basketball...he has a life outside the game and would get over the fact that he couldn't play in the NBA anymore relatively quick...now Kobe? If what happened to Bosh was happening to him at 30 he'd probably kill himself as he has no life off the court.

[Magic 32]

You retarded? Duncan carried trash to a chip,

If 2003 is your case for Duncan over Kobe, than Hakeem is the greatest player of the last 35 years.

And on behalf of Parker, Jackson and Manu I'm insulted.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

If 2003 is your case for Duncan over Kobe, than Hakeem is the greatest player of the last 35 years.

And on behalf of Parker, Jackson and Manu I'm insulted.

It's a combination of accolades, rings, longevity, intangibles, killer instinct, overall winning, etc that determines the GOAT. Which is why Duncan is top 10 all time and Kobe is top 15 all time. Those players minus Jackson were great, just not in 2003. Rookie and 2nd year players aren't going to be amazing, sorry. You should know that from Kobe riding the bench in L.A. doe.

:oldlol:

[rmt]

It's a combination of accolades, rings, longevity, intangibles, killer instinct, overall winning, etc that determines the GOAT. Which is why Duncan is top 10 all time and Kobe is top 15 all time. Those players minus Jackson were great, just not in 2003. Rookie and 2nd year players aren't going to be amazing, sorry. You should know that from Kobe riding the bench in L.A. doe.

:oldlol:

Gotta disagree with the bolded - Duncan was a pretty amazing rookie and 2nd year player :cheers:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Gotta disagree with the bolded - Duncan was a pretty amazing rookie and 2nd year player :cheers:

:bowdown: :cheers:

I always try to rep you, but need to spread more rep.

:confusedshrug: :banana:

[Magic 32]

Those players minus Jackson were great, just not in 2003. Rookie and 2nd year players aren't going to be amazing, sorry. You should know that from Kobe riding the bench in L.A. doe.

:oldlol:

A bad team that can suvive this...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304250PHO.html

I'm sure Kobe would have loved that in 2005-07

And of course 2003 was a perfect in-between year (like 2001 and 1999). Nets in the finals. Dirk injured. Lakers worn out.

But in their prime Kobe was 4-1 against Duncan in the playoffs.

That's a fact.

[Smoke117]

Gotta disagree with the bolded - Duncan was a pretty amazing rookie and 2nd year player :cheers:

Agreed...though it definitely helps coming in as a PF playing next to David Robinson. It's not surprising that his career high in FG% was that rookie year...when most of the attention was on Big Dave.

[rmt]

I don't know why posters keep posting head to head records - it's misleading. Sometimes the teams don't advance to play the other team - what about those years when Spurs would have trounced LAL.

[raprap]

I don't know why posters keep posting head to head records - it's misleading. Sometimes the teams don't advance to play the other team - what about those years when Spurs would have trounced LAL.
Good point

[bigkingsfan]

Dirk is undefeated vs Kobe in the playoffs. :pimp:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

in their prime Kobe was 4-1 against Duncan in the playoffs.

With peak MDE.

:oldlol:

How would Duncan do if he had the peak MDE guard by his side? MJ? Kobe wouldn't even win a single series by himself against that duo.

[Smoke117]

With peak MDE.

:oldlol:

How would Duncan do if he had the peak MDE guard by his side? MJ? Kobe wouldn't even win a single series by himself against that duo.

Real talk...acting like Kobe was the one who mattered when the Lakers defeated the Spurs in 2001, 2002, and 2004. You game planned for Shaq...not Kobrick.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe fans: why do you keep bringing up 2002? Did you even watch the series? 2001, 2004 and 2008 is fine, but 2002? Nah. That year was arguably Duncan's peak and he was on another level.

In 2002 vs. the Lakers, he put up 29/17/4/1/3 on 51 TS% for the series and 34/25/4/1/2 on 58 TS% in the close out. What more could he have possibly done?

For comparison, Kobe put up 26/5/5/1 on 48 TS% and Shaq put up 21/12/3/3 on 48 TS% while Duncan's second option Tony Parker put up 14/2/5/1 on 40 TS%.

The ****? But Kobe 'killed' Duncan and the Spurs here, though, right?

:coleman:

Did YOU watch the series?

Lakers won in 5 but the series was extremely close, games decided by 6, 3, 10, 2, 6

every game came down to the finals few minutes


and Kobe closed out those games in the 4th

Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2002 semi finals

Kobe = 9ppg on 60%

Duncan = 6ppg on 38%


so yeah safe to say that Kobe was killing the Spurs in the 4th quarter..

and before you go and say "but Shaq" here are his 4th quarter stats for that series

Shaq = 5ppg on 33%

Kobe was carrying his team through those 4th quarters

he was incredibly clutch - in game 4 the Lakers were down by 8 points in the 4th with less than 5 minutes to go..

Kobe then proceeded to score 10 points in the final 5 minutes, including the game winning shot with 5 seconds left which put the Lakers up by 2 for an 87-85 win.

watch it for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

Check out his 4th quarter stats in games 3 and 4

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-21-2016/PWNh_R.gif

[Magic 32]

Just a little recap of some of the no-help that Duncan had in the 2003 playoffs.

vs Suns
Stephen Jackson - G1 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists.
Stephen Jackson - G2 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists.
Tony Parker - G3 vs Suns: 29 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals
Malik Rose - G5 vs. Suns: 29 points, 13 rebounds

vs Lakers
Bruce Bowen - G2 vs. Lakers: 27 points.
Tony Parker - G5 vs. Lakers: 21 points.
Tony Parker - G6 vs. Lakers: 27 points, 5 assists.

vs. Mavs
Malik Rose - G2 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 6 rebounds.
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 29 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Tony Parker - G4 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 5 assists
Stephen Jackson - G5 vs. Mavs: 20 points
Stephen Jackson - G6 vs. Mavs: 24 points

vs. Nets

Tony Parker - G2 vs. Mavs: 21 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 26 points, 6 assists
David Robinson - G6: 13 points, 17 rebounds, 2 blocks

Clearly trash. Plug in Smush, Kwame and Luke and they would have done the same.

Duncan just makes these players great. It's magic.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

@MarkMadsen - Duncan and Shaq were first options for their respective teams. The defenses were zeroing in on them in the 4th quarters, thus the lower efficiency. They were seeing the lion's share of doubles and triples. Kobe was a second option, so he was left alone to jack up shots at a high clip. Grats on pointing out that Duncan didn't have a dude like that on his team in '02 to take the pressure off of him like Lakers' #1 option MDE Shaq did.

This is why Duncan is higher all time than both of them, he faced two top 12 players of all time in their prime and still managed to put together a top 10-ish resume just off of '99-'03 alone. Add the additional rangs and longevity once he got some good teams around him and it's a wrap.

:pimp:

@Magic 32 conveniently left out efficiency and just posted up points, assists, etc.

:lol

How Kobe stan of you.

[TheMarkMadsen]

@MarkMadsen - Duncan and Shaq were first options for their respective teams. The defenses were zeroing in on them in the 4th quarters, thus the lower efficiency. They were seeing the lion's share of doubles and triples. Kobe was a second option, so he was left alone to jack up shots at a high clip. Grats on pointing out that Duncan didn't have a dude like that on his team in '02 to take the pressure off of him like Lakers' #1 option MDE Shaq did.


this is such bullshit, you might as well have just said "I got owned and never watched the series"

[Smoke117]

this is such bullshit, you might as well have just said "I got owned and never watched the series"

That's the worst thing about you kobe stans...you actually have watched Kobe play and still come up with all your mind boggling nonsense.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That's the worst thing about you kobe stans...you actually have watched Kobe play and still come up with all your mind boggling nonsense.

no, I gave facts and stats to back it up. You guys are so far in denial that it is honestly pathetic


Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2002 semi finals

Kobe = 9ppg on 60%

Duncan = 6ppg on 38%

Shaq = 5ppg on 33%


Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2001 WCF

Kobe = 10ppg on 47%

Duncan = 5ppg on 38%

Shaq = 4ppg on 46%


Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2008 series

Kobe = 10ppg on 54%

Duncan = 6ppg on 39%



Kobe always dominated the Spurs in the 4th quarter while Duncan routinely shot well below his regular efficiency and didn't match Kobe's scoring

but nah, keep acting like Kobe wasn't carrying his teams in the 4th against the Spurs :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

@Magic 32 conveniently left out efficiency and just posted up points, assists, etc.

:lol

How Kobe stan of you.

vs Suns
Stephen Jackson - G1 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists. 42%
Stephen Jackson - G2 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists. 45%
Tony Parker - G3 vs Suns: 29 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals 57%
Malik Rose - G5 vs. Suns: 29 points, 13 rebounds 53%

vs Lakers
Bruce Bowen - G2 vs. Lakers: 27 points. 83%
Tony Parker - G5 vs. Lakers: 21 points. 50%
Tony Parker - G6 vs. Lakers: 27 points, 5 assists. 47%

vs. Mavs
Malik Rose - G2 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 6 rebounds. 46%
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 29 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists 57%
Tony Parker - G4 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 5 assists 41%
Stephen Jackson - G5 vs. Mavs: 20 points 54%
Stephen Jackson - G6 vs. Mavs: 24 points 57%

vs. Nets

Tony Parker - G2 vs. Mavs: 21 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists 53%
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 26 points, 6 assists 43%
David Robinson - G6: 13 points, 17 rebounds, 2 blocks 75%

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe in the 4th quarter of the 2002 Spurs series, hitting game winners and killing the Spurs in the clutch

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-21-2016/PWNh_R.gif


Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2002 semi finals

Kobe = 9ppg on 60%

Duncan = 6ppg on 38%

Shaq = 5ppg on 33%

these games were all decided by single digits minus one game ( game 3 was close in the 4th - until Kobe went off and Lakers won by 10 )

[Smoke117]

You gave the facts? It's a fact that teams defenses were built around stopping Shaq...not Kobe.

[Magic 32]

You gave the facts? It's a fact that teams defenses were built around stopping Shaq...not Kobe.

The worst Shaq series during his 3 year run.

Toe injury plus a cut hand in game 1.

Not much to stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xzs79jZNo&t=11m48s

[rmt]

vs Suns
Stephen Jackson - G1 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists. 42%
Stephen Jackson - G2 vs Suns: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists. 45%
Tony Parker - G3 vs Suns: 29 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals 57%
Malik Rose - G5 vs. Suns: 29 points, 13 rebounds 53%

vs Lakers
Bruce Bowen - G2 vs. Lakers: 27 points. 83%
Tony Parker - G5 vs. Lakers: 21 points. 50%
Tony Parker - G6 vs. Lakers: 27 points, 5 assists. 47%

vs. Mavs
Malik Rose - G2 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 6 rebounds. 46%
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 29 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists 57%
Tony Parker - G4 vs. Mavs: 25 points, 5 assists 41%
Stephen Jackson - G5 vs. Mavs: 20 points 54%
Stephen Jackson - G6 vs. Mavs: 24 points 57%

vs. Nets

Tony Parker - G2 vs. Mavs: 21 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists 53%
Tony Parker - G3 vs. Mavs: 26 points, 6 assists 43%
David Robinson - G6: 13 points, 17 rebounds, 2 blocks 75%

Here are the stats for the ENTIRE 03 playoffs (not just cherry-picked games):

Duncan 24.7 pts 15.4 rebs 5.3 assts 3.3 blks 52.9%FG 116 ORtg 92 DRtg 5.9 WS 11.6 BPM 3.5 VORP
Parker 14.7 pts 3.5 asst 40.3% 96 ORtg 102 DRtg 1.1 WS -1.8 BPM 0 VORP
SJax 12.8 pts 4.1 rebs 41.4% 96 ORtg 100 DRtg 1.4 WS 1.6 BPM 0.7 VORP
Manu 9.4 pts 3.8 rebs 38.6% 107 ORtg 97 DRtg 2.1 WS 4.7 BPM 1.1 VORP

[Magic 32]

Here are the stats for the ENTIRE 03 playoffs (not just cherry-picked games):

Duncan 24.7 pts 15.4 rebs 5.3 assts 3.3 blks 52.9%FG 116 ORtg 92 DRtg 5.9 WS 11.6 BPM 3.5 VORP
Parker 14.7 pts 3.5 asst 40.3% 96 ORtg 102 DRtg 1.1 WS -1.8 BPM 0 VORP
SJax 12.8 pts 4.1 rebs 41.4% 96 ORtg 100 DRtg 1.4 WS 1.6 BPM 0.7 VORP
Manu 9.4 pts 3.8 rebs 38.6% 107 ORtg 97 DRtg 2.1 WS 4.7 BPM 1.1 VORP

How is it cherry picking?

In almost every game a young star or veteran stepped up and helped Duncan with excellent games.

To call them trash or compare them to the 05-07 Lakers is pathetic.

[Dresta]

How is it cherry picking?

In almost every game a young star or veteran stepped up and helped Duncan with excellent games.

To call them trash or campare them to the 05-07 Lakers is pathetic.
They weren't trash (and def not close to the 05-07 Lakers :lol), but it can't be denied that Duncan's 2003 run was with one of the least good supporting casts of any championship team, and also one of the best championship runs, ever.

[Magic 32]

They weren't trash, but it can't be denied that Duncan's 2003 run was with one of the least good supporting casts of any championship team, and also one of the best championship runs, ever.

Ok fine. But that's not what I was trying to prove.

And those kind of "solo" runs needs a bit of luck and timing (Dirk 2011, Hakeem 93-94, similar teams too).

In Duncan's case....trash finals opponent. Injured star (Dirk). Worn out Lakers.

But it was great. Sure.

[rmt]

How is it cherry picking?

In almost every game a young star or veteran stepped up and helped Duncan with excellent games.

To call them trash or campare them to the 05-07 Lakers is pathetic.

I don't agree with the word trash, but they were young and very inexperienced. The stats are for the ENTIRE playoffs which provide a better picture than selected games.

[tpols]

You gave the facts? It's a fact that teams defenses were built around stopping Shaq...not Kobe.

you say this, yet you'll be one of the first to act like Gasol was better than Kobe in LA's later rings, when he had slightly better efficiency, on way less volume but you'll give him the nod on that despite teams gameplanning far more for Kobe..

you're a hypocrite.

[rmt]

Ok fine. But that's not what I was trying to prove.

And those kind of "solo" runs needs a bit of luck and timing (Dirk 2011, Hakeem 93-94, similar teams too).

In Duncan's case....trash finals opponent. Injured star (Dirk). Worn out Lakers.

But it was great. Sure.

Careful, with the word trash :D - after all, that was the same trash that the Lakers beat in the Finals the year before - minus a year and playoff run.

[Magic 32]

I don't agree with the word trash, but they were young and very inexperienced. The stats are for the ENTIRE playoffs which provide a better picture than selected games.

I don't think so.

And there were really only two youngsters on that team (Manu and Parker).

The rest were hungry veterans or players in their prime.

And if 4-5 players can give you 23-29 points in any given playoff game, then your team is very good.

Or maybe your system and your coach is special.

[Magic 32]

Careful, with the word trash :D - after all, that was the same trash that the Lakers beat in the Finals the year before - minus a year and playoff run.

Oh they were trash against the Lakers too.

Trash, trash, trash.

[rmt]

Oh they were trash against the Lakers too.

Trash, trash, trash.

Still doesn't discredit your 3-peat - can't control who you play.

[Magic 32]

Still doesn't discredit your 3-peat - can't control who you play.

But Duncan still had a string of good luck during that run.

And you can't win with only 1 super-superstar without it.

[Cold soul]

Duncan sounds little salty here must be all years Kobe beat the Spurs in playoffs multiple teams with Kobe being major reason why.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe never beat Duncan or vice versa. Their teams did.
Duncan faced Shaq's teams and then had the longevity to face Kobe's teams and is still playing decent as 39/40 year old in the process of out lasting a chucker who's humiliating himself and putting one of the worst nba seasons of all time. Possibly the single worst season ever.

Btw, your hero's stats against Duncan teams: 23 ppg on 42%fg and 4 apg:roll:
:applause:

[rmt]

But Duncan still had a string of good luck during that run.

And you can't win with only 1 super-superstar without it.

Every run has to have good luck. Seems to me Hakeem and Duncan are as close to that 1 superstar run as any.

[Magic 32]

:applause:

What are you applauding?

The incorrect stats or the laughable dodge?

If that was Shaq's team, then Kobe is still 1-0 against Duncan :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

Every run has to have good luck. Seems to me Hakeem and Duncan are as close to that 1 superstar run as any.

Dirk? (and I don't mean his injury in the WCF).

Still, this was a classic "in-between" championship. Just like Dirk's in 2011.

Not like the 05 and 07 rings at all.

[Hey Yo]

What are you applauding?

The incorrect stats or the laughable dodge?

If that was Shaq's tea, then Kobe is still 1-0 against Duncan :oldlol:
Winning one playoff series against another doesn't hold that much merit.

[InsanityKills]

Brutal, a system player disrespecting Kobe like that. Take this L.

[Magic 32]

Winning one playoffs series against another doesn't hold that much merit.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3998092/lebron-kevin-durant-wtf-o.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe led his team in scoring and assist for 01,02,04, 08 against the Spurs, only a complete moron would try to tell you those don't count :oldlol: :oldlol:

insert the Kobe haters

[Showtime2001]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3998092/lebron-kevin-durant-wtf-o.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Feeny's numbers are regular season stats. Both Kobe and Duncan did significantly better against each other's teams in the POs, both elevated their games.

If imgur wasn't broken I'd post their respective lines in head to heads.

[allball]

who cares what Duncan cares about?

[Hey Yo]

Kobe led his team in scoring and assist for 01,02,04, 08 against the Spurs, only a complete moron would try to tell you those don't count :oldlol: :oldlol:

insert the Kobe haters
01-02-04 MDE's team

08 Kobe's team

[TheMarkMadsen]

01-02-04 MDE's team

08 Kobe's team


**leads his team in scoring, assist, 4th quarter scoring, 2nd half scoring, leads the entire league in 4th quarter scoring**

"Doesn't count"

you guys are really dumb

[JohnFreeman]

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2csdkc1.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

weird, I don't remember the Lakers playing the Spurs in the finals. Lakers vs Spurs in the playoffs is what this entire 10 page thread has been about.

You seem to have missed that :oldlol: :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Duncan just doesn't care about role players, sorry

[TheMarkMadsen]

Duncan just doesn't care about role players, sorry


and you, apparently, don't care about literacy

[JohnFreeman]

The first sign you have lost an argument

I win

[Hey Yo]

**leads his team in scoring, assist, 4th quarter scoring, 2nd half scoring, leads the entire league in 4th quarter scoring**

"Doesn't count"

you guys are really dumb
It counts a lot less when your teammate and 1st option is the MDE.


Now....if this happened in the Finals?? It would be different.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Back to what this thread is about.

Kobe has routinely killed the Spurs in the playoffs, dominated them in the 4th quarters in 01, 02, 04 & 08.

Led his team in scoring & assist against the Spurs in 01, 02, 04, 08.

4th quarter playoff stats of Lakers vs Spurs

2001

Kobe = 10ppg on 47%

Duncan = 5ppg on 38%

Shaq = 4ppg on 46%

Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2002 semi finals

Kobe = 9ppg on 60%

Duncan = 6ppg on 38%

Shaq = 5ppg on 33%




Kobe vs the Spurs in the 4th quarters of the 2008 series

Kobe = 10ppg on 54%

Duncan = 6ppg on 39%

Brent Barry = 5ppg on 57%

Tony Parker = 4 ppg on 50%

Pau - 1.5 ppg on 40%


This isn't really surprising to anybody who watched these series. Kobe always lit up the Spurs in the fourth quarters of playoff games. Hit game winners, and had a streak in the 02 playoffs where he scored 30+ combined points in games 3,4,5 in the 4th against the Spurs to close out the series.


And just so you know, Kobe was the man in the 4th quarters for the Lakers during these playoff runs, especially against the Spurs but in general also..

Percentages of team points + assists while player was on floor


.........................PO....PO 4th....


SHAQ 2001....... 49.4..... 54.9
KOBE 2001....... 60.6..... 63.9.


Playoffs 4th quarter

Shaq 2002 = 44.6

Kobe 2002 = 66.9



Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor 4th quarter playoffs

Shaq 2001 = 34

Kobe 2001 = 37



Shaq 2002 = 26

Kobe 2002 = 34


Kobe would take over with his scoring and facilitating in the 4th.

[JT123]

10 pages and counting of Kobetards melting down cause Duncan won't slob their idol's knob like everyone else. :oldlol: Classic

[JohnFreeman]

10 pages and counting of Kobetards melting down cause Duncan won't slob their idol's knob like everyone else. :oldlol: Classic
It's like the ESPN list all over again

[rmt]

Dirk? (and I don't mean his injury in the WCF).

Still, this was a classic "in-between" championship. Just like Dirk's in 2011.

Not like the 05 and 07 rings at all.

I don't see Dirk's cast quite like Duncan's. Dirk's top 7 players were tough, hardened, experienced veterans with 73 years of NBA experience between them. Duncan's top 7 mostly young, inexperienced players with 29 years of NBA experience - all except DRob had 6 or less years NBA experience.

Parker 1
SJax 2
Manu 0
Bowen 6
DRob 13
Rose 6
Speedy 1

[Showtime2001]

The first sign you have lost an argument

I win
Meltdown.

[knicksman]

If only bran plays well against the spurs, he wouldve played well against other teams too(gsw, dallas) and wouldnt be 2/6. Spurs is just the ultimate standard coz theyre the other team that won 5 rings

[tmacattack33]

he just doesn't give a shit about a guy who's top priority is getting lifetime achievement awards and setting brick records.

This might actually be Duncan's last year too, but he didn't feel like disrupting the team to create a fairwell tour for himself.

So really, they asked a dude who is about to retire silently about a dude who is about to retire like an attention whore.


So, i'm not surprised by Duncan's reaction.

If I was Duncan and they asked me that, I woulda flipped out.

[Mr Feeny]

Anyone see the vid? Dude looked around like a crackhead when he was asked about Kobe. :oldlol:

KB decimating the Spurs throughout the playoffs has obviously left an everlasting impression.

Tbf Duncan is a top 10 player all time and is content with that. You're hero, on the otherhand is looking in from the outside - a tier below - and slipping.
While Duncan has lead his team to a title at the age of 38, a 37 year old Kobrick is putting on potentially the worst season in NBA history, shooting 35%fg and leading the Lakers to the worst record in franchise history in the process :lebronamazed:

Your hero will be watching the playoffs and Duncan from.his couch, come late April. As. Per. Usual.:lol

[warriorfan]

Tbf Duncan is a top 10 player all time and is content with that. You're hero, on the otherhand is looking in from the outside - a tier below - and slipping.
While Duncan has lead his team to a title at the age of 38, a 37 year old Kobrick is putting on potentially the worst season in NBA history, shooting 35%fg and leading the Lakers to the worst record in franchise history in the process :lebronamazed:

Your hero will be watching the playoffs and Duncan from.his couch, come late April. As. Per. Usual.:lol

this guy has lost it

[Mr Feeny]

this guy has lost it

Indeed Mr 35%fg for the season has :lebronamazed:

[HOoopCityJones]

Damn Feeny and Freeman melting down hard in here.

[Mr Feeny]

Damn hoops and Kobe stans melting down :(

:lebronamazed:

[raprap]

12be :banana:

[riseagainst]

Gus it's time to catch your Bus.


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