If Love and Irving were healthy, would the Cavs be able to beat Warriors last Finals?

[Derivative]

Assuming Love and Irving, the 2 out of the Cav's Big 3, are healthy, would they have been able to beat the Warriors?

[VengefulAngel]

Yes, but this season the Warriors are on another level then they were last season.

[JohnnySic]

Yes.

[InsanityKills]

Yes.

[Dr Hawk]

No

[Achilleas]

we will die without knowing

[beastee]

Could they beat them. Sure.

Would they have beat them? NOPE. Curry would have dropped 35+ every game with that paper thin Kyrie defense and Draymond would have destroyed Love.

[G-Funk]

As a Lakers fan, yes Lebron wouldve gotten the job done.

[moongaze]

I think so. The cavs last year after the trades were truely a special team and one of the best starting lineups I've ever seen with mozgov, love, James, jr Smith and Irving. The cavs only lost 3 times in three months after the trades and January 15th to late april game 4 against boston when love, Irving and James played together and it dominated golden state in an easy win when both teams were at their healthiest. 15-1 against the west in that time frame.

The cavs are simply not the same team as last year and I dont understand why.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no way, delly was a game changer for those 2 wins. Kyrie on curry :lol

[Segatti]

Yes.

[DrainMD]

Last season, yes.

This season i dont think a healthy Cavs team can do it.

[Funktion]

No

[Uncle Drew]

Could they beat them. Sure.

Would they have beat them? NOPE. Curry would have dropped 35+ every game with that paper thin Kyrie defense
Curry vs Kyrie in game 1:
Curry: 26 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 turnovers
Kyrie: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover, game changing block on Curry with 24 seconds to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qit15vtspoM

You lose.

[Showtime2001]

They would have a better chance but nope Warriors would still win.

[Spurs m8]

They could have beaten them without Love and Irving, had LeBron not held the ball so much like a ****tard

[Lebron23]

Yes

[1987_Lakers]

Series would have been totally different.

Kevin Love is a liability vs a team like the Warriors, he provides no defense, Green would have ate him up. Kyrie would have certainly helped the Cavs, but I like how people dismiss Delly & T. Thompson's defense, the Cavs were BETTER defensively without Kyrie & Love, which is why you saw Curry struggle early on in that series.

With both Kyrie & Love you would have seen a more offensive/less defensive series. Maybe Curry torches the Cavs all series? Who knows. But once the Warriors figured the Cavs out and went small ball it wasn't a close series at all, Golden State cruised in the last 3 games. A healthy Cavs team probably would have taken it to 7 games, but the Warriors probably still win.

[BIG FURB]

Curry vs Kyrie in game 1:
Curry: 26 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 turnovers
Kyrie: 23 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover, game changing block on Curry with 24 seconds to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qit15vtspoM

Cavs lose.

FTFY

[moongaze]

Could they beat them. Sure.

Would they have beat them? NOPE. Curry would have dropped 35+ every game with that paper thin Kyrie defense and Draymond would have destroyed Love.

These are the statlines from the matchups with curry and green vs Irving and love last year

Game 1:

Green: 11 rebounds 8 assists 10 points
Love: 14 rebounds 1 assist 17 points


Curry: 1 rebound 10 assists 23 points
Irving: 6 rebounds 5 assists 23 points

Game 2

Green 8 rebounds 4 assists 16 points
Love: 8 rebounds 1 assist 16 points

Curry 3 rebounds 6 assists 18 points
Irving 3 rebounds 1 assist 24 points

And uncle drew has already posted the lines of Irving vs curry in game 1 so the notion that green and curry would suddenly have gone off against love and Irving is not based on historical facts

[Inferno]

They would have a better chance but nope Warriors would still win.

Going with this. The Warriors went 3-0 the close out the series; not sure if Love and Irving would be able to change that...plus we saw Kyrie in Game 1 which was a close game, but the Dubs got better as the series progressed. :applause:

[Inferno]

Plus Love would be a big defensive liability

[Dresta]

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828325

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828509

The answer is no.

[moongaze]

Series would have been totally different.

Kevin Love is a liability vs a team like the Warriors, he provides no defense, Green would have ate him up. Kyrie would have certainly helped the Cavs, but I like how people dismiss Delly & T. Thompson's defense, the Cavs were BETTER defensively without Kyrie & Love, which is why you saw Curry struggle early on in that series.

With both Kyrie & Love you would have seen a more offensive/less defensive series. Maybe Curry torches the Cavs all series? Who knows. But once the Warriors figured the Cavs out and went small ball it wasn't a close series at all, Golden State cruised in the last 3 games. A healthy Cavs team probably would have taken it to 7 games, but the Warriors probably still win.

Delly and Thompson would have still played but you're actung like having love and irvings offense in addition would have hurt the cavs. For all the talk about the defense, the real reason the cavs lost last year was because they couldn't make shots and had terrible efficiency on offense. Also.they lacked depth and were worn out as the series dragged along. All these things were tied to love and Irving absence. You really need to go back and look at stats from games. Green is not going off on love and Irving often matches curry's output in their past matchups all time which is something delly couldnt do in a 7 game series

[ballinhun8]

Nope

[TomBrady]

Irving, possibly, Love, unlikely.

[moongaze]

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828325

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828509

The answer is no.


The topic is about last season not the current one

[Lebron23]

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828325

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828509

The answer is no.

He's talking about last year's playoffs series. You low IQ Scum. Besides Irving wasn't 100% healthy when he played against the Warriors. He's putting up solid numbers since Tyronn Lue replaced David Blatt. We defeated the Spurs and Thunder in the post Blatt Era.

And we just added Channing Frye who's another good scorer off the bench.

[34-24 Footwork]

Delly and Thompson would have still played but you're actung like having love and irvings offense in addition would have hurt the cavs. For all the talk about the defense, the real reason the cavs lost last year was because they couldn't make shots and had terrible efficiency on offense. Also.they lacked depth and were worn out as the series dragged along. All these things were tied to love and Irving absence. You really need to go back and look at stats from games. Green is not going off on love and Irving often matches curry's output in their past matchups all time which is something delly couldnt do in a 7 game series

lol @ "they" didn't make shots. Care to name drop?

[1987_Lakers]

Delly and Thompson would have still played but you're actung like having love and irvings offense in addition would have hurt the cavs. For all the talk about the defense, the real reason the cavs lost last year was because they couldn't make shots and had terrible efficiency on offense. Also.they lacked depth and were worn out as the series dragged along. All these things were tied to love and Irving absence. You really need to go back and look at stats from games. Green is not going off on love and Irving often matches curry's output in their past matchups all time which is something delly couldnt do in a 7 game series

The Cavs had Kyrie for pretty much the whole game 1 and the Warriors still won. Thompson & Delly would get less playing time & both Kyrie & Love would play at least 35+ MPG, that's a good chunk of minutes and they are both known as bad defenders. Really, the Cavs missed Kyrie much more than Love, he would have provided an extra offensive punch, and it probably would have gone 7, but I'm still not convinced the Cavs would pull it off. Coming into the series the Warriors were the favorites to win and coming off 67 wins.

With BOTH Kyrie & Love this season the Warriors were 2-0 vs the Cavs, including a 30+ point blowout on the road. Cavs haven't really proved that they can beat the Warriors. Using the injury excuse isn't going to work.

[Spaulding]

Considering they won 2 games without Love and Irving. I would say Cavs in 7.

Note last years Warriors aren't obviously as good as this years.

[warriorfan]

no

that tough defensive line up was better suited to go against the warriors rather than love and irving who would try to play a more up tempo game and just get beat harder

if they had any chance to win it was by slowing the game down to a halt and playing hard defense and locking down the glass which is what they did and it worked well

we saw recently what happened when a fully healthy cavs team tried to play a more up tempo game than what they did in the finals and they got absolutely blown out of the building

[moongaze]

The Cavs had Kyrie for pretty much the whole game 1 and the Warriors still won. Thompson & Delly would get less playing time & both Kyrie & Love would play at least 35+ MPG, that's a good chunk of minutes and they are both known as bad defenders. Really, the Cavs missed Kyrie much more than Love, he would have provided an extra offensive touch, and it probably would have gone 7, but I'm still not convinced the Cavs would pull it off. Coming into the series the Warriors were the favorites to win and coming off 67 wins.

With BOTH Kyrie & Love this season the Warriors were 2-0 vs the Cavs, including a 30+ point blowout on the road. Cavs haven't really proved that they can beat the Warriors. Using the injury excuse isn't going to work.

The cavs had kyrie and no love and were a last second shot away from going up 1-0 on the road. That's pretty telling especially when you consider the cavs beat the warriors by 11 when irving, love abd james played. Delly and Thompson have gotten less minutes than Irving and love throughout their careers for a reason so now saying them getting all the minutes and two all stars none was a benefit is cute. Bad defense or not, green and Thompson did not go off on Irving and love in any of the matchups last year so where are you exactly getting that curry and green would have gone bombs away?

The injury excuse pertains to last year. This year the cavs aren't the same team as last year and I don't feel the same way about the matchup as I did then.

[moongaze]

no

that tough defensive line up was better suited to go against the warriors rather than love and irving who would try to play a more up tempo game and just get beat harder

if they had any chance to win it was by slowing the game down to a halt and playing hard defense and locking down the glass which is what they did and it worked well

we saw recently what happened when a fully healthy cavs team tried to play a more up tempo game than what they did in the finals and they got absolutely blown out of the building

Fully healthy is post surgery and a player being back for weeks? Come in and were talking about two completely different years and teams. Having guys that can't score against an offensive juggernaut like golden stats is definitely not a better option.

[Gileraracer]

Not with LeChoke shooting 39% :roll:

[LakersForlife]

CAV's Coach who allen iverson crossed over if youre reading this.. make lebron james like draymond type of player and center the offense on kyrie.. lebron should just take like 5 shots a game..kyrie and delaladova could be the splash bros of cleveland.

[Bandito]

He's talking about last year's playoffs series. You low IQ Scum. Besides Irving wasn't 100% healthy when he played against the Warriors. He's putting up solid numbers since Tyronn Lue replaced David Blatt. We defeated the Spurs and Thunder in the post Blatt Era.

And we just added Channing Frye who's another good scorer off the bench.
Frye wasnt there last season and those two games are the closest things we can use to predict the outcome of those Finals games. :biggums:

[TAZORAC]

I don't think so, I think they just would have won another game.

[guy]

No. Obviously they have a better chance, but the game isn't a math problem and as simple as saying "Cavs won 2 without and Kyrie+Love = 2 more wins". Warriors were the better team all year. Cavs were not a team predicated on an efficient offense the way the Warriors were. The Warriors fell 2-1 as is, but naturally teams take injured teams, and sometimes just inferior teams, lightly and with less sense of urgency. Series might've went 7, but I still think Warriors win. Lebron actually may have gotten lucky cause he basically got a pass for losing, which probably would've happened anyway.

[sd3035]

Will it be against a Warriors team without a concussed Curry and Klay for the first few games?

Ariza and the refs prevented the sweep

[Lebron23]

No. Obviously they have a better chance, but the game isn't a math problem and as simple as saying "Cavs won 2 without and Kyrie+Love = 2 more wins". Warriors were the better team all year. Cavs were not a team predicated on an efficient offense the way the Warriors were. The Warriors fell 2-1 as is, but naturally teams take injured teams, and sometimes just inferior teams, lightly and with less sense of urgency. Series might've went 7, but I still think Warriors win. Lebron actually may have gotten lucky cause he basically got a pass for losing, which probably would've happened anyway.


Let's make a $50 bucks bet that Cavs beat the Warriors if they meet in the NBA Finals this year.

[G0ATbe]

Cavs should've won regardless. Overall they were the more stacked team even without those 2, and they should win this year but lebald will find a way to lose again.

[sd3035]

Let's make a $50 bucks bet that Cavs beat the Warriors if they meet in the NBA Finals this year.

Aren't you from the Philippines? Sure you want to risk 3 months salary?

[sd3035]

Cavs should've won regardless. Overall they were the more stacked team even without those 2, and they should win this year but lebald will find a way to lose again.

I always think...There's no fukking way this guy can lose this year, but surely enough when June arrives, he finds a way :applause:

[moongaze]

Frye wasnt there last season and those two games are the closest things we can use to predict the outcome of those Finals games. :biggums:

Lol how are two games from a different season, two completely different teams and players playing post surgery a better indicator of what would have happened last year? This game. http://espn.go.com/nba/gamecast?gameId=400579146&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

Is the best indicator as it happened last year, post trades and was the healthiest both teams were when they faced each other.

[imdaman99]

I dunno but I have my doubts. The reason the Cavs won 2 games and were even up 2-1 in the series was because they muddied the game up and played great D, that meant Delly was guarding Curry well and TT was dominating on the offensive boards. These guys would get less time with Kyrie and Love in. The Warriors have a lot of firepower and the Grizzlies did that to them in the first 3 games of their series too, but eventually Curry woke up and dominated the final 3 games of both series.

Kyrie and Love are very talented offensive players, but their defense leaves a lot to be desired. It's not as easy as saying the Cavs were missing 2 out of their 3 best players, they definitely would have won. I think JR and Shump's offense got exposed when they had more attention on them, but it's not like JR did much better against them this year.

[Suguru101]

Aren't you from the Philippines? Sure you want to risk 3 months salary?

Shit :biggums:

[FatComputerNerd]

Cavs should've won regardless. Overall they were the more stacked team even without those 2, and they should win this year but lebald will find a way to lose again.

It's the Cleveland curse :(