America vs China-WHO YOU GOT?

[Nick Young]

The scenario-USA invades China-Iraq style- with the intent to free the people from the evil tyrannical commie government. USA's goal is to install a weak democratic puppet government that will bend to USA's whim.


How long can the Chinese military hold out?




WHO WINS THIS SCENARIO?


ALSO IN THIS SCENARIO-USA and China both have developed such strong anti-nuke defenses by now that nukes are rendered irrelevant?

[Im Still Ballin]

Russia interrupts the match and hits USA with a steel chair

[red1]

:facepalm You're an idiot.

[KyrieTheFuture]

No one wins, Nukes start flying.

[Smook B]

They out number the shit out of us.

[fiddy]

plot twists, U.S. imposes china like regime worldwide

[FashionIssues]

china on combat and nuke

[Draz]

We don't know the technology that they have. Neither their military capabilities. All they need is subpar military weapons and with their stacked army it'll be hard to win. I honestly see us losing.

[FashionIssues]

there is a chinatown in every major city.

[Back In Shape]

They out number the shit out of us.

They only outnumber us 4 to 1. Japan was outnumbered nearly 12 to one and they enslaved the whole country. The Chinese are not warriors. If they didn't have their nukes, they'd probably crumble rather quickly if any formidable force reached their shores.

[Lebron23]

No Nuclear Weaponry

I pick China

[FashionIssues]

after vietnam they wanna test china

[Draz]

4 to 1? But remember this "1" is also a larger number than the "1" many years ago. Also their numbers with guns more accurate and weaponry more deadly will fck shit up. We'd have to have highly trained soldiers which we do.

China ain't shit to fck with.

[Dresta]

They only outnumber us 4 to 1. Japan was outnumbered nearly 12 to one and they enslaved the whole country. The Chinese are not warriors. If they didn't have their nukes, they'd probably crumble rather quickly if any formidable force reached their shores.
And emasculated American fatties are?

[Back In Shape]

after vietnam they wanna test china

The US lost 58,000. The Viet Cong lost 1.1 million, and that was with the military fighting with one hand tied behind their back by engagement protocols from Washington. The average American kill ratio in battle conflicts over the last 70 years is between 20-100 to 1 depending on whos figures you believe.

[Nick Young]

Why is it in every USA vs <insert nation here> debate it's always they have the home field advantage? China would absolutely win in that scenario. Now if it's USA vs China and both sides start on their home turf with the express purpose of eventual destruction of their enemy USA wins.
Because realistically the war will only start if we try to invade them and forcibly change their regime.

[Nick Young]

They only outnumber us 4 to 1. Japan was outnumbered nearly 12 to one and they enslaved the whole country. The Chinese are not warriors. If they didn't have their nukes, they'd probably crumble rather quickly if any formidable force reached their shores.
Yeah it would be like China is a bunch of Zerglings and USA is Archons, Firebats and Zealots.

[Nick Young]

And emasculated American fatties are?
Yes. The best warriors in the world. Did you not see American Sniper? Our farmers defeated the British in two wars, and we currently are the two time defending World War World Champions

[SexSymbol]

Yes. The best warriors in the world. Did you not see American Sniper? Our farmers defeated the British in two wars, and we currently are the two time defending World War World Champions
Americans did little to nothing in WW2. At least the side where it mattered, the european side.

[IcanzIIravor]

The scenario-USA invades China-Iraq style- with the intent to free the people from the evil tyrannical commie government. USA's goal is to install a weak democratic puppet government that will bend to USA's whim.


How long can the Chinese military hold out?




WHO WINS THIS SCENARIO?


ALSO IN THIS SCENARIO-USA and China both have developed such strong anti-nuke defenses by now that nukes are rendered irrelevant?

Taking the nuke question out of the mix, we roll their military in 30 days. We would lose the occupation unless we allowed the puppet government to go Mao on them and kill tens of millions.

Holding China would be a nightmare that would make Iraq a rosy fond remembrance.

[SexSymbol]

China's military is criminally underrated here.
It can go head 2 head with USA quite comfortably, as can russia.
USA's defense budget is blown out of proportion because of hundreds of troop stations throughout the world, which in a warfare just makes it easier for big armies to wipe it out.

[Nick Young]

Americans did little to nothing in WW2. At least the side where it mattered, the european side.
Americans carried the allies on their back vs Hitler while simultaneously putting down the Japs at the same time. That is why we wound up taking home the WWII World Championship :rockon:

[Nick Young]

China's military is criminally underrated here.
It can go head 2 head with USA quite comfortably, as can russia.
USA's defense budget is blown out of proportion because of hundreds of troop stations throughout the world, which in a warfare just makes it easier for big armies to wipe it out.
It's more like zerglings vs firebats, bruh

[IcanzIIravor]

China's military is criminally underrated here.
It can go head 2 head with USA quite comfortably, as can russia.
USA's defense budget is blown out of proportion because of hundreds of troop stations throughout the world, which in a warfare just makes it easier for big armies to wipe it out.

No they can't. We would control the skies and seas. China has a few elite units, but the average troops are poorly equipped, poorly trained and the military is just as corrupt as the rest of the governing apparatus. US forces have practically been nonstop when it comes to combat. Training is good, but it doesn't beat training and actual combat. We would roll through them in the combat phase. What helps them is the occupation phase. The USA is the best at going in and wrecking things. The USA has a short attention span, which would cost it in the end during the occupation phase.

[aj1987]

No Nuclear Weaponry

I pick China
:roll: :roll: :roll:


China's military is criminally underrated here.
It can go head 2 head with USA quite comfortably, as can russia.
USA's defense budget is blown out of proportion because of hundreds of troop stations throughout the world, which in a warfare just makes it easier for big armies to wipe it out.
Two words. Weapons technology. Not to mention that the US has 11,000 more aircraft, 19 more submarines, and over 36,000 more armored fighting vehicles.

Russia? :roll:

You also don't understand how overseas military bases work, do you?

[Draz]

Whoever in the right mind thinks this would be a cake walk for us.. Is outright stupid. This isn't the movies or TV shows. Their not going to be running out in the open like idiots in groups of 10 for you to shoot. Everything will be more tactical and uniformed.

A lot really has to do with our environment, how well we understand theirs and how well they understand ours. Our armor and our weaponry capabilities which I'm sure will be better. But, we can't say it's a cakewalk. It'll be very devastating for both ends.

[aj1987]

Whoever in the right mind thinks this would be a cake walk for us.. Is outright stupid. This isn't the movies or TV shows. Their not going to be running out in the open like idiots in groups of 10 for you to shoot. Everything will be more tactical and uniformed.

A lot really has to do with our environment, how well we understand theirs and how well they understand ours. Our armor and our weaponry capabilities which I'm sure will be better. But, we can't say it's a cakewalk. It'll be very devastating for both ends.
Well, for China to invade the US, they have to mobilize their AF and Naval fleets. The US has immensely vast superiority (numerically and technologically) over China in both. Again, I do agree that it won't be a cake walk, but short of using nuclear weapons, it's practically impossible for the Chinese to actually invade the US. They may have over 5 times as many military-ready men, but with only ~700 naval vessels and ~3000 aircraft, they won't be able to do much.

Lets say that the Chinese get past the US defenses in the Pacific and get to the mainland. Hit them from Oregon and move the rest from Mexico via land (least resistance and highest possibility to have maximum survivors). It's a land battle between the US and Chinese from here on. How many would the Chinese actually be able to land? A couple of million MAX (given their Naval and AF strength)? It's be a bloody AF fight, but I don't really see the Chinese even coming close to making much advancements into the mainland.

[IcanzIIravor]

Well, for China to invade the US, they have to mobilize their AF and Naval fleets. The US has immensely vast superiority (numerically and technologically) over China in both. Again, I do agree that it won't be a cake walk, but short of using nuclear weapons, it's practically impossible for the Chinese to actually invade the US. They may have over 5 times as many military-ready men, but with only ~700 naval vessels and ~3000 aircraft, they won't be able to do much.

Lets say that the Chinese get past the US defenses in the Pacific and get to the mainland. Hit them from Oregon and move the rest from Mexico via land (least resistance and highest possibility to have maximum survivors). It's a land battle between the US and Chinese from here on. How many would the Chinese actually be able to land? A couple of million MAX (given their Naval and AF strength)? It's be a bloody AF fight, but I don't really see the Chinese even coming close to making much advancements into the mainland.

They wouldn't get far from mainland China. The superior we have in air power and naval is staggering in terms of equipment and skill. We'd roll them in a conventional war. There best bet would be some resistance and then to melt into the populace and fight as an insurgency to bleed us until the American public turned on the war.

[aj1987]

They wouldn't get far from mainland China. The superior we have in air power and naval is staggering in terms of equipment and skill. We'd roll them in a conventional war. There best bet would be some resistance and then to melt into the populace and fight as an insurgency to bleed us until the American public turned on the war.
It's just an If game. If they get past the US Naval defenses in the Pacific. I agree with you though.

[Smook B]

IF US invades China then China wins. If China invades the US then US wins it's that simple.