Is 2016 Curry the GOAT individual season, if it ended today?

[ISHGoat]

30.0 / 5.4 / 6.6 with 2 steals on 50/45/91.

45.5% from three on 10.8 attempts per game. Good for 67.6% TS and 32.2 PER.

By all basic and advanced metrics, he is having the best season ever.

.334 ws/48, BPM of 12.9

GOAT season?

The difference between his #1 all time PER (so far) of 32.2 and the #2 PER of 31.8 posted by Wilt is double the difference between #2 and #8.

[Mass Debator]

By all basic and advanced metrics, he is having the best season ever.
I'm going to include "eye test" into that sentence. Dude is unreal.

[Lakersfamftw]

Are you trolls serious? Kobe 06. Call me when Curry scores 35 a game or 81 in a single night.
The last time it was done was Jordan's and he benefited by playing against poor defense and less athletic defenders. By all metrics, Kobe's 2006 season was arguably the best of the modern era if not all time.

[Segatti]

No. Defense is a thing.

[ISHGoat]

Are you trolls serious? Kobe 06. Call me when Curry scores 35 a game or 81 in a single night.
The last time it was done was Jordan's and he benefited by playing against poor defense and less athletic defenders. By all metrics, Kobe's 2006 season was arguably the best of the modern era if not all time.

What the ****? So we gonna ignore how many shots/posessions a player takes/uses?

[Lakersfamftw]

What the ****? So we gonna ignore how many shots/posessions a player takes/uses?

What the f**k are you talking about. I just told you it hasn't been done in the modern era. If others were capable of doing it they would have. Plenty of coaches said during that season that it easily was the best ever. Stop being an idiot. You don't outscore entire teams through 3 quarters without being the best on the planet.

Don't give me that efficiency garbage. That's all you trolls resort to. Actually watch the game. Kobe was unstoppable. You can't tell me Curry is close.

[ISHGoat]

What the f**k are you talking about. I just told you it hasn't been done in the modern era. If others were capable of doing it they would have. Plenty of coaches said during that season that it easily was the best ever. Stop being an idiot. You don't outscore entire teams through 3 quarters without being the best on the planet.

Don't give me that efficiency garbage. That's all you trolls resort to. Actually watch the game. Kobe was unstoppable. You can't tell me Curry is close.

Youre an obvious troll so I now welcome you to my ignore list. Kobe's 2006 season, and really his whole career, can be summed up with one word: volume.

Curry 2016: GOAT

:bowdown:

[Lakersfamftw]

Youre an obvious troll so I now welcome you to my ignore list. Kobe's 2006 season, and really his whole career, can be summed up with one word: volume.

Curry 2016: GOAT

:bowdown:

Boohoo. I'm on some idiots ignore list. The same idiot who just said that curry's 2016 season is the best ever. I doubt that you watched basketball more than 3 or 4 years. These kids.i swear.

[3ball]

No. Defense is a thing.


Exactly - defense is HALF the game and Curry only plays one side of the ball.

Jordan had the same offensive impact AND he had the best defensive impact at his position.

Let me know when Curry leads the NBA in scoring AND wins dpoy, MVP, all-star MVP, and dunk championship in the same season.

Wow, it must suck for today's fan to watch inferior players that fall short of the GOAT'S accolades and ability, and not even realize that they're watching inferior basketball.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Are you trolls serious? Kobe 06. Call me when Curry scores 35 a game or 81 in a single night.
The last time it was done was Jordan's and he benefited by playing against poor defense and less athletic defenders. By all metrics, Kobe's 2006 season was arguably the best of the modern era if not all time.
Is this bait?

[Lakersfamftw]

Exactly - defense is HALF the game and Curry only plays one side of the ball.

Jordan had the same offensive impact AND he had the best defensive impact at his position.

Let me know when Curry leads the NBA in scoring AND wins dpoy, MVP, all-star MVP, and dunk championship in the same season.

Wow, it must suck for today's fan to watch inferior players that fall short of the GOAT'S accolades and ability, and not even realize what they're watching inferior basketball.

Who is the GOAT because it certainly isn't Jordan.

[Ranked 12th]

Youre an obvious troll so I now welcome you to my ignore list. Kobe's 2006 season, and really his whole career, can be summed up with one word: volume.

Curry 2016: GOAT

:bowdown:
:applause: :applause:

[SwishSquared]

He's in the conversation for the best offensive season ever imo.

[3ball]

I'm not even sure Curry has the best season in the last 5 years... All he has is efficiency... He trails other great players best seasons in most other categories.

[Fudge]

It hasn't even been the best individual season in the past 3 years.

Durant's MVP season >>>>>>

[BlazerRed]

No. Jordan did a similar thing (just not as high shooting percentages) with elite defense.

[Lakersfamftw]

Is this bait?

That's what I'd ask you kids. You don't think there's a reason every player from that era has said that's it's the peak of individual player in basketball? I guess you'd look at box's cores Nd made-up metrics like per.

Mark Jackson at the time called it the best season of all time and said that Kobe is the estate ever. Jemele hill from espn said the same. Multiple players and coaches said the same.
But I guess some kids online who have been following basketball only since 2013 and think Curry is on another level disagree?

Who should I listen to? Are you an idiot?

[Lakersfamftw]

No. Jordan did a similar thing (just not as high shooting percentages) with elite defense.Yeah but Jordan fans have a habit of ignoring 3 point percentage and ft%. When they talk about efficiency, nnotice that they'll automatically go to fg% and not ts% or efg% which take the other percentages into account.

[3ball]

Who is the GOAT because it certainly isn't Jordan.


Maybe Wilt.. He's the only other possibility.

When ranking big men, only Wilt ranks in top 5 on both offense AND defense.

When ranking non-big men, only MJ ranks in top 5 on both offense and defense

(actually, MJ is #1 on offense and defense among non-big men - don't bother bringing up Payton and Moncrief on defense - MJ is taller, longer, much quicker, much stronger, and much more athletic than Payton/Moncrief - MJ is superior in every way defensively).

Btw, Curry's only advantage over ANY all-time great is efficiency... He trails in virtually every other category when compared to most all-time greats.. And we know the 3-point line is the crutch that he relies on for his good efficiency.

[Lakersfamftw]

Maybe Wilt.. He's the only other possibility.

When ranking big men, only Wilt ranks in top 5 on both offense AND defense.

When ranking non-big men, only MJ ranks in top 5 on both offense and defense

(actually, MJ is #1 on offense and defense among non-big men - don't bother bringing up Payton and Moncrief on defense - MJ is taller, longer, much quicker, much stronger, and much more athletic than Payton/Moncrief - MJ is superior in every way defensively).

Btw, Curry's only advantage over ANY all-time great is efficiency... He trails in virtually every other category when compared to most all-time greats.. And we know the 3-point line is the crutch that he relies on for his good efficiency.

Pippen is arguably better than Jordan defensively though. I find that Jordan tends to get overrated by Jordan stans based on reputation. He was a great perimeter defender when he wanted to be but the way they talk about him makes you think he's a jo dumar or a scottie Pippen.
But agree. He was great on both ends. Kobe was too. Maybe Wilt as you claimed is as well. Arguably the 3 best of all time.

[3ball]

Yeah but Jordan fans have a habit of ignoring 3 point percentage and ft%. When they talk about efficiency, nnotice that they'll automatically go to fg% and not ts% or efg% which take the other percentages into account.


Jordan is the only player in history with 4 straight seasons of 60%+ true shooting and 31+ PER.. Curry will never reach that level of sustained efficiency.

Also, Jordan's career TS, FG%, and offensive rating (ORtg) is higher than Lebron's, Wade's and Kobe's:

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg

[Lakersfamftw]

Jordan is the only player in history with 4 straight seasons of 60%+ true shooting and 31+ PER.. Curry will never reach that level of sustained efficiency.

Also, Jordan's career TS, FG%, and offensive rating (ORtg) is higher than Lebron's, Wade's and Kobe's:

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg

You can't mention Kobe's career numbers because half his career he was with Shaq. He had to share the ball. Take Kobe's number from 2006-2013 for example and it would be a better comparison.
I'm sure he's atleast at Jordan level. Better I think just by a hair. And you can also use efg%. Jordan's 3 point shooting was horrible. Only 32% I think. Especially in the playoffs. He was great inside the arc though to be fair to him.

[3ball]

Pippen is arguably better than Jordan defensively though.


Pip couldn't handle quick wings with good handle like Hill or Kobe - here's Kobe shaking his head after breaking Pippen BADLY in 99' - Pippen is joke to him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/DtKoPr.gif..



But just a few months earlier, 35-year old Jordan had no problem stuffing Kobe's crossover in 98' ASG:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/EStPHq.gif



Here's another one - Pippen can't handle Grant off-the-dribble - he can't stay in front:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-09-2015/5FXjSn.gif



But MJ can - he stays in front of Grant every step of the way and forces wild shot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/n1LWjI.gif


The reason MJ was so much better defending quick ballhandlers like Hill, Kobe or Westbrook is because he was a 2-guard, and was the frequently the primary, all-game defender on quick point guards.

For example, MJ was matched up against Gary Payton from the TIP-OFF in Game 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m48s) and Game 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg) of the NBA Finals and was the main defender throughout the game..

MJ was also the main defender and matched up from the tip-off against Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc&t=0m28s) and Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8).. And we all know he was matched up from tip-off against Magic, when he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713075&postcount=45) (70%) in the 1991 Finals.

MJ's far greater experience playing quick ballhandling guards and his superior athleticism made him a better perimeter defender than Pippen..

Btw, Pippen's inferior defense isn't only shown by the eye test - the stats prove it too - virtually every decent wing in the league went off for HUGE games on Pippen - 35, 40, and 50 point games - whereas MJ rarely gave up a big game to anyone.





Pippen is arguably better than Jordan defensively though. I find that Jordan tends to get overrated by Jordan stans based on reputation.


It's the opposite - AT THE TIME, it was common knowledge that Jordan was the Bulls' best defender (before new fans revise history).





He was a great perimeter defender when he wanted to be but the way they talk about him makes you think he's a jo dumar or a scottie Pippen.


The bolded above proves that you never saw MJ play - no one gave a more consistent effort on defense than MJ and this is common knowledge.

You're aware that MJ was DPOY in 1988 right?... He was the first player to ever get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season (and he did it twice).

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

90% from the line, 46% from three, 51% shooting overall and a TS% of 68?

On a volume where he's putting up 30 a game?

EASILY one of the 5 greatest offensive seasons, in my opinion. Especially when you combine Curry's individual success with his teams (1st in offensive efficiency, assuming they break the regular-season record, etc).

[Lakersfamftw]

Pip couldn't handle quick wings with good handle like Hill or Kobe - here's Kobe shaking his head after breaking Pippen BADLY in 99' - Pippen is joke to him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/DtKoPr.gif..



But just a few months earlier, 35-year old Jordan had no problem stuffing Kobe's crossover in 98' ASG:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/EStPHq.gif



Here's another one - Pippen can't handle Grant off-the-dribble - he can't stay in front:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-09-2015/5FXjSn.gif



But MJ can - he stays in front of Grant every step of the way and forces wild shot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/n1LWjI.gif


The reason MJ was so much better defending quick ballhandlers like Hill, Kobe or Westbrook is because he was a 2-guard, and was the frequently the primary, all-game defender on quick point guards.

For example, MJ was matched up against Gary Payton from the TIP-OFF in Game 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m48s) and Game 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg) of the NBA Finals and was the main defender throughout the game..

MJ was also the main defender and matched up from the tip-off against Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc&t=0m28s) and Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8).. And we all know he was matched up from tip-off against Magic, when he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713075&postcount=45) (70%) in the 1991 Finals.

MJ's far greater experience playing quick ballhandling guards and his superior athleticism made him a better perimeter defender than Pippen..

Btw, Pippen's inferior defense isn't only shown by the eye test - the stats prove it too - virtually every decent wing in the league went off for HUGE games on Pippen - 35, 40, and 50 point games - whereas MJ rarely gave up a big game to anyone.



It's the opposite - AT THE TIME, it was common knowledge that Jordan was the Bulls' best defender (before new fans revise history).



The bolded above proves that you never saw MJ play - no one gave a more consistent effort on defense than MJ and this is common knowledge.

You're aware that MJ was DPOY in 1988 right?... He was the first player to ever get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season (and he did it twice).

Lol you select a few clips? Why do you think Jackson had Pippen guard the opponents best players during the playoffs and not Jordan? You think you know more than Jackson:roll:

1996 Pippen guards Penny hardingway
1997 Pippen guards Stockton because nobody on the Bulls could defend him. Even in that flu game Jordan admitted Pippen did the defense work while Jordan focused on offense.
1998 Pippen guards mark Jackson AND stockton.
1993 Pippen on Kevin Johnson.

1991 kid Pippen needed to guard Magic because Jordan was so shook he was in foul trouvle within minutes :oldlol:
I love Jordan but stop comparing him to Pippen defensively. You're starting to sound like jordan fanboys.

[3ball]

90% from the line, 46% from three, 51% shooting overall and a TS% of 68?

On a volume where he's putting up 30 a game?

EASILY one of the 5 greatest offensive seasons, in my opinion. Especially when you combine Curry's individual success with his teams (1st in offensive efficiency, assuming they break the regular-season record, etc).
Offensively, Curry's 2016 is among the best.

But OVERALL, there's at least 25+ seasons by other players that are superior.. Defense is a real thing.

And of course, Curry's offensive efficiency is due exclusively to the 3-point line - without it, Curry's TS would be exactly 56.5% this year, and he'd only be averaging 24.9 ppg.. So basically, he wouldn't be a top 10 player in 1975.

[Lakersfamftw]

Offensively, Curry's 2016 is among the best.

But OVERALL, there's at least 25+ seasons by other players that are superior.. Defense is a real thing.

And of course, Curry's offensive efficiency is due exclusively to the 3-point line - without it, Curry's TS would be exactly 56.5% this year, and he'd only be averaging 24.9 ppg.. So basically, he wouldn't be a top 10 player in 1975.

Jordan had the 3 point line yet he couldn't do the same:(

[r0drig0lac]

offensive? maybe .... overall ... no way

[3ball]

Why do you think Jackson had Pippen guard the opponents best players during the playoffs and not Jordan?


You're lying though, so who cares - Jordan guarded Magic, Drexler, Reggie Miller and Gary Payton..

Otoh, Pippen only guarded Penny - that's IT.. Pippen never guarded Stockton or Kevin Johnson in those Finals... You made that up... BUT JORDAN DID - here's the video:

MJ guarding Stockton in 1997 and 1998 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0)
MJ guarding KJ in 1993 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw).

And Mark Jackson is the slowest point guard of all time - the fact that you give Pippen props for this proves my point.. MJ guarded the other team's best guard (Reggie Miller), not Pippen.

[Lakersfamftw]

You're lying though, so who cares - Jordan guarded Magic, Drexler, Reggie Miller and Gary Payton..

Otoh, Pippen only guarded Penny - that's IT.. Pippen never guarded Stockton or Kevin Johnson in those Finals... You made that up... BUT JORDAN DID - here's the video:

MJ guarding Stockton in 1997 and 1998 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0)
MJ guarding KJ in 1993 Finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw).

And Mark Jackson is the slowest point guard of all time - the fact that you give Pippen props for this proves my point.. MJ guarded the other team's best guard (Reggie Miller), not Pippen.

So Phil Jackson is lying? Because he says that Pippen guarded Magic. Because Jordan was in foul trouble because he couldn't guard Magic.
Let's face it. Magic as a 32 year old torched prime Jordan so they had to switch up their defense matchups. Now Jordan stans are lying and recreating history.

Btw, Magic had 3 triple doubles that finals so if Jordan guguarded.him he didn't do a good job:roll:

[hold this L]

Offensively, Curry's 2016 is among the best.

But OVERALL, there's at least 25+ seasons by other players that are superior.. Defense is a real thing.

And of course, Curry's offensive efficiency is due exclusively to the 3-point line - without it, Curry's TS would be exactly 56.5% this year, and he'd only be averaging 24.9 ppg.. So basically, he wouldn't be a top 10 player in 1975.
Without you being on Jordan's dick every time you post, your posts would be a lot more tolerable. But that's not the world we live in.

[DoctorP]

30.0 / 5.4 / 6.6 with 2 steals on 50/45/91.

45.5% from three on 10.8 attempts per game. Good for 67.6% TS and 32.2 PER.

By all basic and advanced metrics, he is having the best season ever.

.334 ws/48, BPM of 12.9

GOAT season?

The difference between his #1 all time PER (so far) of 32.2 and the #2 PER of 31.8 posted by Wilt is double the difference between #2 and #8.

Yes. It looks like it is going to be the best season from a player EVER on offense.

[3ball]

Jordan had the 3 point line yet he couldn't do the same


He did BETTER

Jordan is the only player in history with 4 straight seasons of 60%+ true shooting and 31+ PER.. Curry will never reach that level of sustained efficiency.

Also, Jordan achieved this GOAT efficiency without the 3-point line.

Otoh, Curry's efficiency would be ordinary without the 3-point line.. Even WITH the 3-point line, Curry will never have 4 straight seasons of 60%+ TS and 31+ PER.

[Mass Debator]

Idk wtf haters' been watching but Curry IS on that next level stuff. Coaches and players would be calling this like top 5 or maybe even the GOAT season when they win the chip again this year. Aside from injuries, who's stopping Curry's Warriors?

People saying defense...I bet yall never faced a street handling sniper before. Guarding Curry rips the energy and mind out of his opponents especially the man on duty. Always keep tracking of where he is and running through screens. Overplay and he blows right by you. That itself is defense with offense, and he aint no scrub on that end either. Sneaky defense if I may say

I forgot the exact number but Curry sat out like 16 entire 4th quarters this year. He can knock down like three 3 pointers in a row and blow a team out himself. I don't even need numbers to recognize his impact on the game. Wade, Kobe, and AI are my favorite players but they were never this good. Can't comment about Jordan since I was too young to break down the game at the time. Curry and the Warriors are killing teams with stacked rosters. Popovich didn't say

[Lakersfamftw]

He did BETTER

Jordan is the only player in history with 4 straight seasons of 60%+ true shooting and 31+ PER.. Curry will never reach that level of sustained efficiency.

Also, Jordan achieved this GOAT efficiency without the 3-point line.

Otoh, Curry's efficiency would be ordinary without the 3-point line.. Even WITH the 3-point line, Curry will never have 4 straight seasons of 60%+ TS and 31+ PER.

So why did Jordan never get 32 per?
Can't answer I see.

[sd3035]

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/aBDVyS15ukg-LXxlCHK3njk2omM=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5981807/CurryDance.0.gif

[3ball]

So Phil Jackson is lying? Because he says that Pippen guarded Magic. Because Jordan was in foul trouble because he couldn't guard Magic.


In the 1991 Finals, MJ guarded Magic Johnson, for 14 of the 20 quarters (70%) to Pippen's 6 of 20 quarters (30%).

Specifically, Pippen guarded Magic for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of Game 2... the 2nd and 3rd quarters of Game 3... the last 4 minutes of Game 4, and none in Games 1 or 5.. Here's all 5 games in their entirety:

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUC9fSFdik
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6AWPT6fG0
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueGQChyFuU
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0LJVxaqD0
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNFQSBUe5c





Btw, Magic had 3 triple-doubles in 1991 Finals, so if MJ guarded him, he didn't do a good job


Let's compare the head-to-head matchup:


JORDAN 1991 FINALS:. 33/7/11 on 56%
MAGICN 1991 FINALS:. 19/7/13 on 43%


It's clear that Jordan obliterated Magic (a top 5 all-time player) on the biggest stage - it was the greatest Finals performance in history..

Also, MJ and Magic finished 1-2 in voting for regular season MVP, so it was the perfect matchup.
.

[Overdrive]

Best season since '00 Shaq. Playoffs will decide if it's really as good, worse or even better.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

That's what I'd ask you kids. You don't think there's a reason every player from that era has said that's it's the peak of individual player in basketball? I guess you'd look at box's cores Nd made-up metrics like per.

Mark Jackson at the time called it the best season of all time and said that Kobe is the estate ever. Jemele hill from espn said the same. Multiple players and coaches said the same.
But I guess some kids online who have been following basketball only since 2013 and think Curry is on another level disagree?

Who should I listen to? Are you an idiot?
:yaohappy:

Kobe's 06 has no case for being the greatest season ever. None.

[90sgoat]

Laughable, this is why the Jordan fam has to keep doing smackdowns of you kids.

Curry is not close to greatest seasons at all.

Larry Bird 87-88: 30ppg 9.3rpg 6.1apg, 1.6spg, 0.8bpg on 53-41-93

I didn't even have to invoke MJ, Magic, Wilt or Kareem to find an easily way more impressive season than Curry's

Laughable, one way player only curry, comparable to the Alex English of the world.

[90sgoat]

MJ 88-89: 33ppg 8apg 8rpg, 3spg, 1bpg on 54% as a guard. 54%!

Not even close.

[Magic 32]

If he falls apart in the PO then nobody will care.

Right now I would take Shaq in 2000 and MJ in 91 over him.

And it's not close.

[DoctorP]

He did BETTER

Jordan is the only player in history with 4 straight seasons of 60%+ true shooting and 31+ PER.. Curry will never reach that level of sustained efficiency.

Also, Jordan achieved this GOAT efficiency without the 3-point line.

Otoh, Curry's efficiency would be ordinary without the 3-point line.. Even WITH the 3-point line, Curry will never have 4 straight seasons of 60%+ TS and 31+ PER.


Laughable, this is why the Jordan fam has to keep doing smackdowns of you kids.

Curry is not close to greatest seasons at all.

Larry Bird 87-88: 30ppg 9.3rpg 6.1apg, 1.6spg, 0.8bpg on 53-41-93

I didn't even have to invoke MJ, Magic, Wilt or Kareem to find an easily way more impressive season than Curry's

Laughable, one way player only curry, comparable to the Alex English of the world.



MJ 88-89: 33ppg 8apg 8rpg, 3spg, 1bpg on 54% as a guard. 54%!

Not even close.


Yet the stats say otherwise. :confusedshrug:

[Lakersfamftw]

:yaohappy:

Kobe's 06 has no case for being the greatest season ever. None.

We'll agree to disagree. Maybe you know better than Mark Jackson and jemele hill and some coaches I guess.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

We'll agree to disagree. Maybe you know better than Mark Jackson and jemele hill and some coaches I guess.
:roll:

Is this the new 3ball? Same brand of shit-posting but focused on Kobe? 3ball's saving grace is that his general argument is accurate, you don't have that luxury.

Posting one day and already in the red, your ISH career trajectory is clear. :applause:

[Lakersfamftw]

:roll:

Is this the new 3ball? Same brand of shit-posting but focused on Kobe? 3ball's saving grace is that his general argument is accurate, you don't have that luxury.

Posting one day and already in the red, your ISH career trajectory is clear. :applause:

Yet you haven't addressed a single point I made.
Mark Jackson and plenty of stars and coaches call Kobe's season the best ever and some troll online disagrees.
And i am red because u sent me a red bar. Just because I called Kobe's season the best. That's pathetic. If you disagree give me a reason. Don't sit there like a silly boy and give me a red bar.

[ISHGoat]

:roll:

Is this the new 3ball? Same brand of shit-posting but focused on Kobe? 3ball's saving grace is that his general argument is accurate, you don't have that luxury.

Posting one day and already in the red, your ISH career trajectory is clear. :applause:

Just ignore him. Hes obviously an alt of one of these resident no-life losers.

[3ball]

You can't mention Kobe's career numbers because half his career he was with Shaq. He had to share the ball.

Take Kobe's number from 2006-2013 for example and it would be a better comparison.
I'm sure he's atleast at Jordan level.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN CAREER:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER

KOBE 2006-2013:. 38.8 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.0 stl.. 0.5 blk.. 45.5 fg.. 56.0 ts.. 112 ORtg.. 24.0 PER

LEBRON CAREER:.. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


So no, still not on Jordan's level.
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[Lakersfamftw]

Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN CAREER:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER

KOBE 2006-2013:. 38.8 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.0 dreb.. 6.8 ast.. 2.0 stl.. 0.5 blk.. 45.5 fg.. 56.0 ts.. 112 ORtg.. 24.0 PER

LEBRON CAREER:.. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


So no, still not on Jordan's level.

But he faced better defenses than the 80's midgets. Let's just call a spade a spade. I think it ultimately evens itself out.

[Micku]

I don't think so, but there are only handful of seasons that I think that are more impressive.

But Curry would have the best offensive stats. Especially with efficiency. His plus/minus is the best, PER is the best, and dude is pretty much unguardable. Not even the best defensive teams in the league today could stop him. He is one of the best at his position at defense this year too.

It's definitely an historic season for him and the team. It's definitely up there with the legends, and you can argue that he does have the best.

[choppermagic]

oh my lord.

No i would say not. Those "fans" who cling to efficiency ratings really have no idea how the game is actually played. Denounce Kobe's 06 year because he took more shots? As if any joker like Smush Parker could drop 35ppg if only he took as many shots.

If a bench player comes into the game once a week but scores on his only shot, grabs one rebound and one assist in one minute of play, is he having the GOAT season too, because his efficiency is insane? Of course not. A player putting up production on both ends of the floor impacts the game. Guys who dropped 30ppg and grabbed 13 rebounds with 3 blocks dominate games. Curry can score at a great clip, but how much better is he than someone who scores 26ppg on 50% shooting only? He's an upgrade, but not too much more impact.

I doubt anyone would pick Curry on their team if peak Shaq 2000 was available.

[sportjames23]

Are you trolls serious? Kobe 06. Call me when Curry scores 35 a game or 81 in a single night.
The last time it was done was Jordan's and he benefited by playing against poor defense and less athletic defenders. By all metrics, Kobe's 2006 season was arguably the best of the modern era if not all time.


Brand new and already cemented his rep as a dumbass. :facepalm

[3ball]

But Kobe faced better defenses. Let's just call a spade a spade. I think it ultimately evens itself out.



MJ faced lower DRtg's during his 2nd three-peat than Kobe did during his championship years without Shaq:



League-Wide DRtg in Regular Season:


1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0

2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 107.6

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html


League-Wide DRtg in Playoffs (each year is link to source):

1996 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1996.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
1997 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1997.html#all_misc_stats): 106.8
1998 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1998.html#all_misc_stats): 105.6

2008 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009.html#all_misc_stats): 107.7
2010 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html#all_misc_stats): 108.6



But despite facing lower DRtg defenses, MJ still put up better stats during his 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe did in his championship years without Shaq (2008-2010):


REGULAR SEASON

JORDAN 1996-1998: 29.6 ppg... 48.2% fg... 2 MVP
KOBE B 2008-2010:. 27.4 ppg... 46.1% fg... 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS:

JORDAN 1996-1998: 31.4 ppg... 45.9% fg
KOBE B 2008-2010:. 29.8 ppg... 46.4% fg


FINALS

JORDAN 1996-1998: 31.1 ppg... 43.4% fg... 3/3.. 3 FMVP
KOBE B 2008-2010:. 29.2 ppg... 41.3% fg... 2/3.. 2 FMVP

Source: basketball-reference.com


At 33-35 years old, MJ had better stats against better defenses than 29-31 year-old Kobe..

Imagine if we DIDN'T give Kobe a head start and actually peak at MJ's prime instead of his old man stats??.. Better not.. :facepalm .. It's amazing how much better MJ was than Kobe.. :bowdown:

[KungFuJoe]

Lakersfamftw has GOT to be a troll. No one can be this stupid without trying on purpose.

[Micku]

MJ faced lower DRtg's during his 2nd three-peat than Kobe did during his championship years without Shaq:



DRtg shouldn't be compared across eras. Different rules, different philosophy, different strategy on the defense, different style and different pacing.

I don't think it's difficult to even compare it season by season. It's good to figure out what's the best defensive team in that specific individual season.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's totally dependent on the playoffs. If he wins the title maintaining his current production, then that's definitely a conversation to be had. If the Warriors fall short and his production slightly drops, then individually it really wouldn't be any more remarkable than other insane seasons we've seen like '03 McGrady, '06 Kobe, '09 Wade, '14 Durant etc

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Yet you haven't addressed a single point I made.
Mark Jackson and plenty of stars and coaches call Kobe's season the best ever and some troll online disagrees.
And i am red because u sent me a red bar. Just because I called Kobe's season the best. That's pathetic. If you disagree give me a reason. Don't sit there like a silly boy and give me a red bar.
This is your argument: some coaches said this one thing once so it's true. That's it. When you bring an actual case forward, I'll consider addressing it. Until then, 3ball can shit on your stupidity with his spam.

[OldSchoolBBall]

No, it isn't. He is playing in an ideal league and ideal team situation for his skillset. Put him in the league 25-30 years ago and he's a 23-25 ppg/6-7 apg/50% FG/60-62% TS player. Still an all-time great, but not what we see today.

[G0ATbe]

Are you trolls serious? Kobe 06. Call me when Curry scores 35 a game or 81 in a single night.
The last time it was done was Jordan's and he benefited by playing against poor defense and less athletic defenders. By all metrics, Kobe's 2006 season was arguably the best of the modern era if not all time.
:applause: :applause:one of the only intelligent posts in here

[ILLsmak]

It hasn't even been the best individual season in the past 3 years.

Durant's MVP season >>>>>>


Shit's just different now. Durant's season, Brons one Miami season, people have put up crazy stat seasons lately.

Still, Curry is doing it differently which makes it more interesting, as well as the fact that his team is getting wins. Is he gonna get 73? I dunno... but if he does you have to take that into account as well.

Def offensively in the running, though. If it ended today, I dunno.... even then. We need to know how he does in the playoffs. Yea, to me, that is part of the season.

-Smak

[LARRY BROWN]

bill Russell won 11 titles
curry only has one!

he has got a long ways to go!

and even if he wins this year..........

I heard the whole team was breaking up next year!:party:

[Marchesk]

Wilt's PER would be higher than 31.8 if blocks and steals were counted back then.

[LARRY BROWN]

can he rebound
can he play defensive


ill laugh when the clippers take these bums
and expose for the frauds who they really are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:party:

[JohnFreeman]

I think you can make a case for most top 10 players along with Curry

[Young X]

Maybe the best offensive season but not overall.

Even from the past couple of years alone I would rank 2013 Lebron higher.

But it depends on what he does in the postseason too. He has to stay completely healthy and dominate at a historic level.

[plowking]

No, it isn't. He is playing in an ideal league and ideal team situation for his skillset. Put him in the league 25-30 years ago and he's a 23-25 ppg/6-7 apg/50% FG/60-62% TS player. Still an all-time great, but not what we see today.

Baseless claims that you cannot prove.

Yep, a guy like Curry with a far bigger offensive game than Reggie Miller, would be putting up similar scoring numbers. Good one.

[Blue&Orange]

at some point the fact that you aren't allowed to defend perimeter players in today NBA, as to be factored in.

[plowking]

at some point the fact that you aren't allowed to defend perimeter players in today NBA, as to be factored in.

This is literally all these oldies have. :oldlol:

Nothing really tangible. Just a whole lot of "watch the game, it is obvious if you aren't stupid" type comments.

Today's game makes it much harder to dominate as an individual.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm sure guys like Jordan and Wilt will get votes, but how about Hakeem Olajuwon in 93/94 ?

Didn't have the strongest team and dominated both ends of the floor. First player to officially capture MVP/DPOY/Title as the best player in the same season. That 94 Finals is probably the greatest defensive finals ever too, every game was decided by less than 3 possessions. I don't even think the Rockets had the better team either.

[T_L_P]

Yes it would be.

[T_L_P]

This is literally all these oldies have. :oldlol:

Nothing really tangible. Just a whole lot of "watch the game, it is obvious if you aren't stupid" type comments.

Today's game makes it much harder to dominate as an individual.

Yep. There's a reason why almost every individual star (including guys like Duncan, Garnett, Jordan, Shaq, T-Mac, Kobe) hated the zone when it came in: it makes it harder for individual players to score.

Sure handchecking would slow Curry down a little in 1-on-1 situations, but it wouldn't change the PnR (his deadliest weapon) and you wouldn't be able to use zone on him. Either you're hard doubling (in which case he'll find the open man) or playing him 1-on-1, which no team in the NBA does, even when he's off the ball most of the time.

Curry commands more gravity from defenders than anyone in the league's history. People are so salty at what this man is doing out there. :oldlol:

[LakersForlife]

we all know it. .GOAT SEASOn GOAT Player

[GrapeApe]

I'm sure guys like Jordan and Wilt will get votes, but how about Hakeem Olajuwon in 93/94 ?

Didn't have the strongest team and dominated both ends of the floor. First player to officially capture MVP/DPOY/Title as the best player in the same season. That 94 Finals is probably the greatest defensive finals ever too, every game was decided by less than 3 possessions. I don't even think the Rockets had the better team either.

:applause:

1994 Hakeem has a strong case for being the greatest all around season ever.

[Marchesk]

Wilt's 67 season:

24.1/24.2/7.8 on 68.3% with around 7 blocks a game.

Nobody in history has ever put up that kind of a season.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt's 67 season:

24.1/24.2/7.8 on 68.3% with around 7 blocks a game.

Nobody in history has ever put up that kind of a season.

Rick Barry, who won the scoring title at 35.6 ppg (incidently the highest full-time "non-Wilt" season in the Wilt-era), said that the only reason he [Barry] won it, was because "Wilt didn't want it."

Chamberlain had the high game in the NBA that season, of 58 points, on 26-34 shooting from the floor, as well as games of 43 (on 20-28 shooting), 42 (on a perfect 18-18), and 41 (on 16-17.) He also had games of 37 (on 16-16), and 32 (on 10-11 and 12-15 from the line.)

Oh, and he put up a 35 point game on Bellamy, on 15-18 shooting; a 30 point game on Thurmond, on 13-18 shooting, and a 30 point game on Russell, on 11-19 shooting.

He outshot Thurmond in the reguiar season by a staggering .633 to .308 margin; Russell by a .549 to .424 margin; and Bellamy by an unfathomable .709 to .459 margin. Incidently, he averaged 20+ ppg against all three in the regular season.

In the post-season he "only" averaged 21.7 ppg, BUT, had the Sixers high point game (in their very first playoff game) of 41 (on 19-31 shooting.) And he followed that game up with a 37 point game on 16-24 shooting.

In the first round he averaged 28.0 ppg, 26.5 rpg, and 11.0 apg...or a TRIPLE DOUBLE series, and on a .617 FG%.

In the EDF's, and against Russell and the 60-21 Celtics, he outscored Russell, per game, 21.6 ppg to 11.4 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, by an eye-popping 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg; outassisted Russell, per game, 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg...or ANOTHER TRIPLE DOUBLE series....all while outshooting Russell from the floor, .556 to .358. He had a QUAD DOUBLE in the first game of that series (24-32-13-12.) And in the clinching game five blowout win, Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4 (with 22 points coming in the first half when the game was still close); outrebounded Russell, 36-21; outasssited Russell, 13-7; and outshot Russell from the field, 19-16 to 2-5. Oh, and he also blocked seven shots.

In the Finals, and against Thurmond, he outscored Nate, per game, 17.5 ppg to 14.3 ppg; outrebounded Thurmond, 28.5 to 26.7 rpg; outassisted Nate, 6.8 apg to 3.8; and outshot Thurmond by an overwhelming, .560 to .343. He also outscored Thurmond in five of the six games; outrebounded Nate in five of the six games; outassisted Nate in five of the six games; and outshot him in EVERY game from the field.

In the clinching game six win, Wilt outscored Thurmond, 24-12; outrebounded him, 23-22; and outshot him from the floor by an 8-13 to 4-13 margin.

From his '64-65 season thru his '66-67 season, he just murdered his HOF peers (Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, and Russell) in his H2H's, and in his '67-68 season, only Thurmond was even remotely close to him in their H2H's.

[warriorfan]

This thread got people shook

1 Curry is a good defender

2 The Offensive lift Curry brings far outweighs any defensive advantage the other contenders have. Good team offense beats good team defense.