Steph Curry is the greatest player ever since the Nowitzki era

[masonanddixon]

He's on a different level from everyone else right now.

[Black and White]

Here you go again....... don't make people hate on Dirk, please.

[masonanddixon]

Here you go again....... don't make people hate on Dirk, please.

What do you mean, young man?

[WayOfWade]

Bruh, there was never a Dirk Era, unless you mean exclusively the Mavs. 1 title does not equal an era. And the correct answer would be he's the best since the LeBron era, which was literally just 2-3 years ago

[masonanddixon]

[QUOTE=WayOfWade]Bruh, there was never a Dirk Era, unless you mean exclusively the Mavs. 1 title does not equal an era. And the correct answer would be he's the best since the LeBron era, which was lite
There was no lebron era. He won two titles and came out of the East.

[Black and White]

There was no lebron era. He won two titles and came out of the East.

Dirk one 1 title...... according to your own criteria there was no Dirk era.

[pastis]

it was the shaq, duncan, dirk, kobe, garnett era

it was so much fun in the wild wild west back then. so much fun.

[JohnFreeman]

When was the Dirk era?

[Uncle Drew]

When was the Dirk era?
Right after the Mitch Richmond era.

[outbreak]

I shaved a tiger and it sitll had stripes

[Harison]

Right after the Mitch Richmond era.
:lol

[feyki]

Bruh, there was never a Dirk Era, unless you mean exclusively the Mavs. 1 title does not equal an era. And the correct answer would be he's the best since the LeBron era, which was literally just 2-3 years ago

Actually , 2005-2007 Mavs and 05-07 Suns changed culture of the nba . Run n gun , small ball ; all high tempo-pace stuffs coming from them .

So , we can say 05-07 Era was Nash-Dirk era .

[pastis]

When was the Dirk era?

well, it wasnt a kobe era either

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in shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_career.html)

Rank Player WS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26
3. Karl Malone* 234.63
4. Michael Jordan* 214.02
5. John Stockton* 207.70
6. Tim Duncan 204.79
7. Dirk Nowitzki 196.54
8. Kevin Garnett 191.50
9. Oscar Robertson* 189.21
10. LeBron James 187.33
11. Shaquille O'Neal 181.71
12. David Robinson* 178.67
13. Charles Barkley* 177.21
14. Reggie Miller* 174.40
15. Kobe Bryant 172.73
16. Moses Malone* 167.07
17. Bill Russell* 163.51
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77
19. Jerry West* 162.58
20. Magic Johnson* 155.79
21. Paul Pierce 149.64
22. Robert Parish* 147.00
23. Larry Bird* 145.83
24. Gary Payton* 145.53
25. Ray Allen 145.08


Win Share per 48 minutes:



NBA
Rank Player WS/48
1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2476
5. Neil Johnston* .2413
6. LeBron James .2396
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Kevin Durant .2122
13. Tim Duncan .2101
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
16. Oscar Robertson* .2069
17. Karl Malone* .2053
18. James Harden .2050
19. Dirk Nowitzki .2035
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Manu Ginobili .2016
22. Yao Ming .2001
23. Ed Macauley* .1964
24. Stephen Curry .1929
25. Bill Russell* .1927
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Adrian Dantley* .1887
28. Sidney Moncrief .1873
29. Kevin Love .1838
30. Paul Arizin* .1833
31. Sam Jones* .1824
32. Harry Gallatin* .1824
33. Kevin Garnett .1823
34. Dwyane Wade .1807
35. Kevin McHale* .1802
36. Bailey Howell* .1799
37. Bill Sharman* .1782
38. George Yardley* .1780
39. Moses Malone* .1779
40. Julius Erving* .1778
41. Clyde Lovellette* .1777
42. Kevin Johnson .1777
43. Dan Issel* .1769
44. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1767
45. Dwight Howard .1766
46. Walt Frazier* .1760
47. Reggie Miller* .1758
48. Chauncey Billups .1756
49. Bobby Jones .1752
50. Bob Lanier* .1751
51. Artis Gilmore* .1737
52. Clyde Drexler* .1734
53. Kobe Bryant .1726
54. Larry Nance .1713
55. Vern Mikkelsen* .1699
56. Pau Gasol .1696
57. Amar'e Stoudemire .1694

defensive win shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career.html):

NBA
Rank Player DWS
1. Bill Russell* 133.64
2. Tim Duncan 105.20
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 94.49
4. Hakeem Olajuwon* 94.47
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 93.92
6. Karl Malone* 92.41
7. Kevin Garnett 91.52
8. Elvin Hayes* 83.65
9. Patrick Ewing* 81.42
10. David Robinson* 80.14
11. Jason Kidd 75.14
12. John Havlicek* 74.09
13. Robert Parish* 72.98
14. Ben Wallace 70.58
15. Dikembe Mutombo* 68.53
16. Scottie Pippen* 67.29
17. Shaquille O'Neal 66.36
18. John Stockton* 64.93
19. Michael Jordan* 64.13
20. Wes Unseld* 64.11
21. Charles Oakley 63.34
22. Paul Pierce 62.31
23. Nate Thurmond* 62.23
24. Buck Williams 61.79
25. Shawn Marion 61.27
26. Jack Sikma 60.69
27. Dwight Howard 59.66
28. Larry Bird* 59.03
29. LeBron James 57.14
30. Rasheed Wallace 57.12
31. Dirk Nowitzki 56.89
32. Dolph Schayes* 56.15
33. Clifford Robinson 55.89
34. Dave Cowens* 55.83
35. Marcus Camby 54.89
36. Dennis Rodman* 54.46
37. Moses Malone* 54.36
38. Charles Barkley* 53.91
39. Vlade Divac 52.90
40. Shawn Kemp 52.17
41. Paul Silas 51.74
42. Kobe Bryant 50.53


PER career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html)

NBA
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.61
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.58
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Kevin Durant 24.92
9. Dwyane Wade 24.81
10. Neil Johnston* 24.69
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Tim Duncan 24.32
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.14
20. Yao Ming 23.02
21. Kobe Bryant 22.98

PLAYOFFS PER

Dirk: 24 (worst 2014 just 13.9 O.o, hist last years are hurting him PER wise extremly. )
Pau Gasol: 20.7
Garnett: 21.1
Kobe Bryant: 22.4
Larry Bird: 22.4

Playoffs WS/48

Dirk: 1.95
Kobe: 1.57
oh i forgot: best supporting cast in NBA finals

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Dirk carried 2 of the worst supporting casts ever to the nba finals - and wone one

[aj1987]

Actually , 2005-2007 Mavs and 05-07 Suns changed culture of the nba . Run n gun , small ball ; all high tempo-pace stuffs coming from them .

So , we can say 05-07 Era was Nash-Dirk era .
You think small ball started with the Mav's and Suns? High tempo and high pace? I'm about 99% sure that you know NOTHING about basketball.



well, it wasnt a kobe era either
You do know that John is not exactly a Kobe fan, right?

[pastis]

You think small ball started with the Mav's and Suns? High tempo and high pace? I'm about 99% sure that you know NOTHING about basketball.



You do know that John is not exactly a Kobe fan, right?

oh, i quoted the wrong

[feyki]

You think small ball started with the Mav's and Suns? High tempo and high pace? I'm about 99% sure that you know NOTHING about basketball.



You do know that John is not exactly a Kobe fan, right?

Tell us , which was started high pace basketball , again ?

[Gileraracer]

Bruh, there was never a Dirk Era, unless you mean exclusively the Mavs. 1 title does not equal an era. And the correct answer would be he's the best since the LeBron era, which was literally just 2-3 years ago


So Dirk with 1 title is no era but Lebron with 2 titles is an era?

What's Kobe with 5 titles then? 2 eras?

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Tell us , which was started high pace basketball , again ?
Wait. You really think high paced run-and-gun basketball was started in the mid '00's? Do you not remember the Showtime Lakers? :facepalm

Small ball? The best example would be the '96 Bulls.


So Dirk with 1 title is no era but Lebron with 2 titles is an era?

What's Kobe with 5 titles then? 2 eras?

:confusedshrug:
Arguably 6-7 straight years as the best player in the world. 8 Straight 50+ win teams ('12 Heat were on pace to win 50+). 5 straight NBA Finals and quite possibly 6 straight including this season with a 2peat. 4 MVP's in 5 seasons.

[feyki]

Nba slowed down with late 80's . And mid 90's to around 2013/2014 had lowest pace of history ( beside of before 24 second ) .

And yes Mavs and Suns changed the nba culture about playing style(pace,smallball etc . ) .

96 Bulls had great smallball system and that's why they mentions as greatest team . But they weren't playing high pace or run n gun . Mavs and Suns did and after Spurs and then Warriors ..

[aj1987]

Nba slowed down with late 80's . And mid 90's to around 2013/2014 had lowest pace of history ( beside of before 24 second ) .

And yes Mavs and Suns changed the nba culture about playing style(pace,smallball etc . ) .

96 Bulls had great smallball system and that's why they mentions as greatest team . But they weren't playing high pace or run n gun . Mavs and Suns did and after Spurs and then Warriors ..
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The NBA did slow down, but teams were still pretty much playing at the same pace as the run-and-gun Suns.


Actually , 2005-2007 Mavs and 05-07 Suns changed culture of the nba . Run n gun , small ball ; all high tempo-pace stuffs coming from them .
You were implying that the mid '00's Suns and Mavs were the pioneers of the high paced offense, which is just not true.

The ABA was the run and gun Suns on crack. The '60's consistently saw teams with pace upwards of 115. 20 more than the Suns from '05-'06. The '87 Lakers and '86 Celtics was playing at a pacer of 101. Heck, the '89 and '90 Lakers player at 100 and 97. The '91 Lakers were at 94 and the '91 Bulls were at 96. Pretty much the same pace as the Suns and Mavs.

[JohnnySic]

So Curry is the best player since a period of about 2 months in the spring/summer or 2011.

I agree.

[Gileraracer]

5 straight NBA Finals

To be fair. Exchange OKC, GSW, LA Clippers, probably even Houston with Miami / Cleveland in the East and they would also make 5 straight finals. The biggest threat are the Celtics, do I need to say more? Toronto can't be taken serious, Bulls are injured as always, Miami is highly overrated. No competition there :confusedshrug:

[Stout]

He's on a different level from everyone else right now.
Just say greatest since prime Shaq.

[aj1987]

To be fair. Exchange OKC, GSW, LA Clippers, probably even Houston with Miami / Cleveland in the East and they would also make 5 straight finals. The biggest threat are the Celtics, do I need to say more? Toronto can't be taken serious, Bulls are injured as always, Miami is highly overrated. No competition there :confusedshrug:
You can't just displace team. The WC has majority of the All-NBA and All-Def team members. You can be certain, that LeBron would at the least have a team as good as the Mavericks. Not to mention he barely had injury-free teammates during his runs. '11 was the only season when his team was fully healthy. The Warriors, Thunder, Clippers, etc. are all stacked AF.

[feyki]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The NBA did slow down, but teams were still pretty much playing at the same pace as the run-and-gun Suns.


You were implying that the mid '00's Suns and Mavs were the pioneers of the high paced offense, which is just not true.

The ABA was the run and gun Suns on crack. The '60's consistently saw teams with pace upwards of 115. 20 more than the Suns from '05-'06. The '87 Lakers and '86 Celtics was playing at a pacer of 101. Heck, the '89 and '90 Lakers player at 100 and 97. The '91 Lakers were at 94 and the '91 Bulls were at 96. Pretty much the same pace as the Suns and Mavs.

I said they changed the nba culture . Do you know what means "changed" ? NBA had slow tempo pacing . After the mid 90's and Mavs and Suns changed this culture .

You didn't know what i am talking about . I'm sorry for my explain wasn't retard level .

[sd3035]

not quite white enough to be better than Dirk? :lol

[Stout]

I'm sorry for my explain wasn't retard level .
:lol

[aj1987]

I said they changed the nba culture . Do you know what means "changed" ? NBA had slow tempo pacing . After the mid 90's and Mavs and Suns changed this culture .

You didn't know what i am talking about . I'm sorry for my explain wasn't retard level .
:facepalm :facepalm

'05 Average Pace - 90.9
'06 Average Pace - 90.5

From '07-'13 the average pace was ~92. 1.5 possessions more than '05 and '06. The Mavs and Suns didn't change shit. The NBA changed the rules, you ****ing moron.

Again, this doesn't have anything to do with what you said earlier, which was:


And yes Mavs and Suns changed the nba culture about playing style(pace,smallball etc . ) .

Nope. Small ball and run-and-gun style teams have been there since way before. It was the Showtime Lakers who actually changed the NBA and brought it back with their run-and-gun offense.


Nba slowed down with late 80's . And mid 90's to around 2013/2014 had lowest pace of history ( beside of before 24 second ) .
Again, the NBA did slow down from the ultra his pace of the wack ass '60's, but they still played at a very high pace. Mid '90's had the lowest pace in NBA history? :facepalm

'94 Average Pace - 95.1
'95 Average Pace - 92.9
'96 Average Pace - 91.8

That's pretty much the same pace as the average NBA team from '06 or '07.

'13 Average Pace - 92.0
'14 Average Pace - 93.9
'15 Average Pace - 93.9


The early '00's had the lowest pace in NBA history and the NBA wanted a more uptempo style ball. Even then, the average NBA teams pace was about 90-91. Only 3-4 points lower than today's teams. They changed the rules to increase pace. As I said, it wasn't the Mavs or the Suns who "reinvented" the NBA.

Now go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on, retard.