Why do people still believe some 19-20 year old college kid will improve your team?

[TAZORAC]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC. Why do people (the media, sportswriters, fans, etc) seem you think that one 18-19 year old kid coming out of college is going to save their horrible team and improve it next season by himself? There's not 1 player in college, this year or last nor MOST YEARS, who will come on a team and make it that much better.

Anthony Davis plays on the HORNETS, a team not even with a current playoff spot, currently he's multiple times better then Simmons or anybody else in college and the HORNETS are still no good.

I think people get excited about "projections", I think it just makes people feel good and gives them something to look forward too.

[Mawly-G]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC. Why do people (the media, sportswriters, fans, etc) seem you think that one 18-19 year old kid coming out of college is going to save their horrible team and improve it next season by himself? There's not 1 player in college, this year or last nor MOST YEARS, who will come on a team and make it that much better.

Anthony Davis plays on the PELICANS, a team not even with a current playoff spot, currently he's multiple times better then Simmons or anybody else in college and the PELICANS are still no good.

I think people get excited about "projections", I think it just makes people feel good and gives them something to look forward too.
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[Real Men Wear Green]

If you are a fan of a bad team a talented young player gives you a reason to hope things will get better. That help?

[Marchesk]

Wiggins

[Uncle Drew]

Towns.

[WayOfWade]

Because there's always the chance he'll morph into the next LeBron James

[Dr Seuss]

youre using an all encompassing statement for more isolated instances. the 18-19 yo's people are excited about joining a team, IE davis/KAT, are absoultely capable of making a team better. but they are drafted onto bad teams for a reason.

say one of them somehow was drafted onto an already established playoff team. do they not make that team better?

maybe i misunderstood your point, but 18-19 are absolutely capable of making a team better. but not on their own and certainly arent changing a bottom feeder to something much more respectable.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC.

most likely scenario

[yobore]

Some players really can get it done.

Lebron turned the Cavs around really fast.
CP went to the 18 win Hornets and got them to 38 wins (good enough for playoffs in the East IIRC) without any major roster moves.

[HenryGarfunkle]

You draft Durant.... you're a contender for years

You land LeBron.... you're a contender for years

Every year there's a chance the next super duper star who can carry your franchise is sitting there at 1. Gets these bottom feeding loser teams like the Lakers, Nets, and Sixers excited for the future.. i see no harm in it.

[Marchesk]

You draft Durant.... you're a contender for years

You land LeBron.... you're a contender for years

Every year there's a chance the next super duper star who can carry your franchise is sitting there at 1. Gets these bottom feeding loser teams like the Lakers, Nets, and Sixers excited for the future.. i see no harm in it.

I wonder what the ratio of drafting a game changing player to everyone else is. How often does one come around? Once every five drafts?

[HenryGarfunkle]

I wonder what the ratio of drafting a game changing player to everyone else is. How often does one come around? Once every five drafts?
We haven't had one like LeBron or Durant in a while. Can't think of one.

It's very very rare. But there's those second tier guys who come out almost every draft, which is still pretty exciting for some of these loser teams.

[FreezingTsmoove]

How exactly is he multiple times better than Simmons when we havent even seen what Simmons can do at NBA speed?

[Fire Colangelo]

They may not improve your team at 19-20 years old, but they'll definitely improve your team when they're 21-23 years old.

[Genaro]

Most of those high picks won't give you nothing right away, but in 3 years they can make your team a lot better if they improve into great players. People get excited about potential, not about the next season.
Of course you have some guys who are great players by year 1 or 2 like Rose, Lebron, Brow, Durant, and so on.

[Gileraracer]

Because hope dies last

[TAZORAC]

How exactly is he multiple times better than Simmons when we havent even seen what Simmons can do at NBA speed?

Simmons can't even lead his team to a NCAA tournament birth.

[TAZORAC]

Most of those high picks won't give you nothing right away, but in 3 years they can make your team a lot better if they improve into great players. People get excited about potential, not about the next season.
Of course you have some guys who are great players by year 1 or 2 like Rose, Lebron, Brow, Durant, and so on.

That's the wrong way to run a franchise, which is the reason why the SPURS are contenders every year, because they operate the EXACT opposite. Give me veterans all day, the hell with rookies.

[choppermagic]

Because every superstar in the NBA was once a young fresh faced rookie.

Some of those kids coming in are going to be superstars. It's a given. Just hope and pray he's going to your team

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz would have more wins if they were playing Withey instead of Lyles. It might help Lyles in the future but he could have gotten minutes in the D-league while Withey was helping them win now.

[SwishSquared]

The Jazz would have more wins if they were playing Withey instead of Lyles. It might help Lyles in the future but he could have gotten minutes in the D-league while Withey was helping them win now.If the team was more consistently healthy this year that's a more plausible argument, but Jazz seem to believe that PT in the NBA fast tracks development, particularly in a year where injuries provide the opportunity for young guys, which I agree with. Withey likely won't be on that team in 2 years, whereas Lyles is expected to play a reliable 25mpg off the bench at that time.Competition in the D-League isn't good enough for these players to improve as fastly as they can against NBA level players.

One anecdotal example: Christian Wood could barely play for the 76ers and he dropped a ~46/15 game recently in the D League. I doubt he'd get on the court for Philly still.

Edit: So Philly just re-signed Christian Wood lol out of the DLeague.

[SwishSquared]

That's the wrong way to run a franchise, which is the reason why the SPURS are contenders every year, because they operate the EXACT opposite. Give me veterans all day, the hell with rookies.They added a historically great rookie to a core of vets. That's how they kept winning in Duncan's 1st year. Also, they tend to really hit on some of their picks. Parker, Ginobli, trading Hill for Leonard's rights, etc. Sam Presti was an excellent talent evaluator for them.

[Zach LaVine]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC.
Ironic.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Simmons can't even lead his team to a NCAA tournament birth.

Um my question was about the NBA game, not about college.

[Fallen Angel]

If you are a fan of a bad team a talented young player gives you a reason to hope things will get better. That help?
Has OP not read this yet?

Pretty much answered his question, no real reason to bump this thread.

[Nash]

They can, but the system is not built for them to do it that way. The best players go to bad teams.

I hope Boston gets the #1 pick so that we can finally see a good college player make difference on a good team.

[tmacattack33]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC. Why do people (the media, sportswriters, fans, etc) seem you think that one 18-19 year old kid coming out of college is going to save their horrible team and improve it next season by himself? There's not 1 player in college, this year or last nor MOST YEARS, who will come on a team and make it that much better.

Anthony Davis plays on the HORNETS, a team not even with a current playoff spot, currently he's multiple times better then Simmons or anybody else in college and the HORNETS are still no good.

I think people get excited about "projections", I think it just makes people feel good and gives them something to look forward too.

I don't think any fan of these teams is thinking that the draft pick is going to turn them into a contender instantly.

They think that eventually he'll become a super-star though. And that is pretty exciting :confusedshrug:

[Cocaine80s]

Um my question was about the NBA game, not about college.
Not sure if srs

You think college is harder than the nba? :roll:

[west_tip]

I agree with the premise of the OP. 19/20 year olds are not transforming the franchises to whom they are drafted except about once every five years.

Aside from the fact that tanking creates a losing culture/mentality it's why Sam Hinkies strategy is garbage and why I have criticized it.

[Straight_Ballin]

Maybe everybody's retarded other then TAZORAC. Why do people (the media, sportswriters, fans, etc) seem you think that one 18-19 year old kid coming out of college is going to save their horrible team and improve it next season by himself? There's not 1 player in college, this year or last nor MOST YEARS, who will come on a team and make it that much better.

Anthony Davis plays on the HORNETS, a team not even with a current playoff spot, currently he's multiple times better then Simmons or anybody else in college and the HORNETS are still no good.

I think people get excited about "projections", I think it just makes people feel good and gives them something to look forward too.

Because not every young player is a bitch who is going to wind up leaving the team that drafted him to change rings. Some of these owners have lived through watching players like Bird, MJ, Duncan, Magic and Kobe start off hyped and deliver their club multiple championships, so they know it's possible.

[Fire Colangelo]

That's the wrong way to run a franchise, which is the reason why the SPURS are contenders every year, because they operate the EXACT opposite. Give me veterans all day, the hell with rookies.

Idk what point you're trying to make with the Spurs.

Duncan was at one point a rookie that GREATLY helped his team. He was only one year removed from the 19-20 year old criteria you provided in the OP.

Tony Parker came into the league at 19 years old, and yeah he wasn't really good at 19-20 years old. He developed into an all star and FMVP as a 23-24 year old.

Going by your logic, teams should be trading their picks for veteran players every year. Actually, the Spurs did just the opposite a few years ago when they traded George Hill for a 20 year old in Kawhi Leonard who would become a FMVP just two years later.

Again, teams don't draft 19-20 year olds because they believe they'll improve the team right away. They're hoping that they'll improve the team when they're 24-25 years old.

Look at all the championship level teams lately. Almost ALL of them feature a star player drafted at 19-20 years old. Not to mention... you do realize the veterans you speak of also came from the draft as a 19-20 years old?

What Hinkie's doing right now is.... shitty, but he's not drafting guys to compete right now. He's hoping ONE of the guys he drafted turns out to be an ATG in a few years. When (if) we see Embiid/Okafor turn into an all star/superstar he'll trade away all his "assets" to build a team around him in a blink of an eye.

Even Michael Jordan didn't really make his team much better as a rookie, are you gonna trade the pick for him for a few guys that might get you a few more wins this season?

LeBron?

Kobe?

Hell no.

[Hey Yo]

Because not every young player is a bitch who is going to wind up leaving the team that drafted him to change rings. Some of these owners have lived through watching players like Bird, MJ, Duncan, Magic and Kobe start off hyped and deliver their club multiple championships, so they know it's possible.
LOL @ using examples of players who won at early age. Besides.... Magic signed a 25yr contract. MJ was dumb and signed an 8yr deal, Bird wasn't going anywhere cause his team was stacked. Duncan won a title right away and Kobe chased rings by crying his way to get to the Lakers.

If you knew basktball history, you'd realize that the above is a horrible attempt at trolling something you clearly know nothing about.

:oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

LOL @ using examples of players who won at early age. Besides.... Magic signed a 25yr contract. MJ was dumb and signed an 8yr deal, Bird wasn't going anywhere cause his team was stacked. Duncan won a title right away and Kobe chased rings by crying his way to get to the Lakers.

If you knew basktball history, you'd realize that the above is a horrible attempt at trolling something you clearly know nothing about.

:oldlol:

All those players were all great prospects at a young age and they all stuck with their team which made it better over time. You know shit about history. I'm sorry if the players you like are bitches who leave their teams in favor of chasing rings.

[LAZERUSS]

Magic tends to disagree.

20 year old rookie took his team to a title, and in the clinching win of the Finals, and without his team's best player, hung a 42-15-7 game.

[Hey Yo]

All those players were all great prospects at a young age and they all stuck with their team which made it better over time. You know shit about history. I'm sorry if the players you like are bitches who leave their teams in favor of chasing rings.
All those players had great teammates within their first 7 years in the league.

James did not. So would they want to leave their teams to begin with??

:cletus:

Besides, they couldn't have left cause there was no free agency until the summer of 1988. You're welcome AGAIN, for another history lesson even though you're 40+yrs old

[Hey Yo]

Magic tends to disagree.

20 year old rookie took his team to a title, and in the clinching win of the Finals, and without his team's best player, hung a 42-15-7 game.
Some forget or don't know that Jamal Wilkes put up 37-10 in that game 6.

"It was tied at the half, but the Lakers blew it open by scoring 14 straight points to start the 3rd quarter. Silk scored 16 points in the period and was the Lakers’ leading scorer until Magic passed him with some free throws when the 76ers started fouling at the end of the game. Wilkes also finished the game with 10 rebounds."

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Some forget or don't know that Jamal Wilkes put up 37-10 in that game 6.

"[I]It was tied at the half, but the Lakers blew it open by scoring 14 straight points to start the 3rd quarter. Silk scored 16 points in the period and was the Lakers

[Straight_Ballin]

All those players had great teammates within their first 7 years in the league.

James did not. So would they want to leave their teams to begin with??

:cletus:

Besides, they couldn't have left cause there was no free agency until the summer of 1988. You're welcome AGAIN, for another history lesson even though you're 40+yrs old

So it's their fault they got drafted to a team that had good players? It's just a coincidence that all those players are top 10 players and they all stuck with their team? :lol

Learn to discern an actual top 10 player from a media created super star that colluded to chase rings and is currently 2/6. No real basketball fan respects those kind of antics, and your whole argument about him not having a good team is destroyed by the fact that they were good enough to make it to the finals! He even came running right back to that same team because he had a better chance of winning with them than the Heat! His actions are pathetic and those who defend such actions are even worse.

[Hey Yo]

Good for him.

Where was Kareem?

BTW, that Laker win was their biggest of the series. All because of Magic...who DICTATED the TEMPO from the out-set. The Laker's ran that Sixer team off the court.
He put the Lakers up 3-2 with 40 points and 15 rebounds. Averaged 33 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocks in the first 5 games of the series.

[LAZERUSS]

He put the Lakers up 3-2 with 40 points and 15 rebounds. Averaged 33 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocks in the first 5 games of the series.

Magic averaged a 22-11-9-3 on a .573 FG% and .632 TS% in that Finals. And as we saw, he could have put up considerably better scoring and rebounding stats had that been required. BTW, in that game six, Magic led both teams, and by far, with 15 rebounds (the next high was 10.)

[$LakerGold]

@TAZORAC, do you know how teams land a top 5 pick in the draft?


That's the wrong way to run a franchise, which is the reason why the SPURS are contenders every year, because they operate the EXACT opposite. Give me veterans all day, the hell with rookies.

I wonder how the Spurs did the last decade.

[swagga]

besides the GOAT tier talent that is bound to be great the draft brings you
davis
towns
porzingis
kwahi
wade
melo
griffin
cp3
ginobili
draymond green
...

a lot of talent to be had.


e.g. team needs a shotblocking center ... draft a project that will give you a good 10 mins a game with the 2nd unit, that's still good impact.

[Hey Yo]

So it's their fault they got drafted to a team that had good players? It's just a coincidence that all those players are top 10 players and they all stuck with their team?

All those players had great teammates within their first 7 years in the league.

James did not. So would they want to leave their teams to begin with??


Learn to discern an actual top 10 player from a media created super star that colluded to chase rings and is currently 2/6. No real basketball fan respects those kind of antics,
:oldlol: your idol quit the league and walked away from defending his title. Leaving his players high and dry. Then came back 2yrs later to try to win a cheap backdoor ring by playing only 17 reg. season games.


Your whole argument about him not having a good team is destroyed by the fact that they were good enough to make it to the finals! He even came running right back to that same team because he had a better chance of winning with them than the Heat! His actions are pathetic and those who defend such actions are even worse.

Better chance at winning with Kyrie, Bennett, Waiters, Wiggins, Varejao etc... the team that had the most combined losses the 4yrs LeBron was gone??

[Hey Yo]

Magic averaged a 22-11-9-3 on a .573 FG% and .632 TS% in that Finals. And as we saw, he could have put up considerably better scoring and rebounding stats had that been required. BTW, in that game six, Magic led both teams, and by far, with 15 rebounds (the next high was 10.)
I guess that means Wilkes could have too? That game 5 boosted both of their points and rebounds avg.

Just don't like when people think Magic had to do it all by himself when that clearly wasn't case.

[LAZERUSS]

I guess that means Wilkes could have too? That game 5 boosted both of their points and rebounds avg.

Just don't like when people think Magic had to do it all by himself when that clearly wasn't case.

Magic made Showtime. And he made KAJ a winner. Not the other way around. BTW, Magic's career W-L% was an all-time high of .740. Without Kareem, it was .743. And in their year's on the Lakers together, it was .750.

The Lakers were an ordinary team before he arrived, and an ordinary team after he left.

[Xiao Yao You]

If the team was more consistently healthy this year that's a more plausible argument, but Jazz seem to believe that PT in the NBA fast tracks development, particularly in a year where injuries provide the opportunity for young guys, which I agree with.

Lyles has been in the rotation all year. He played more because of injuries. He could have gotten big minutes in their system in the D-league and still got time in the NBA. Don't get why they even have a D-league team really if they're not going to use it..


Withey likely won't be on that team in 2 years

Not sure why he is now because the coach doesn't seem to like him for some reason and he has to have value to someone else. He was like Gobert lite when he played.


, whereas Lyles is expected to play a reliable 25mpg off the bench at that time.

Lyles very well could be starting in the future. They won't be able to keep all their guys.


Competition in the D-League isn't good enough for these players to improve as fastly as they can against NBA level players.

Can't say I agree. He's been over matched at times in the NBA. He would have been the go to guy in the D-league and played big minutes. If he dominated there I could see it but he hasn't.

All I know is they would easily be in the playoffs if Withey was playing. I know the front office prefers the lottery but it's a joke.