Steve Kerr: "A player from ANY ERA would be unable to guard Steph Curry"

[imnew09]

This includes MJ, Scottie, Glove, NAME IT. Steve Kerr played with many great defensive players so he knows what he's talking about.

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"A player from any era would be unable to guard Steph Curry. It doesn't matter who you're talking about. No one could guard Steph Curry," Kerr said. "He's too quick, too skilled, too good. You can make all sorts of other arguments. In the '90s, there were all type of dominant big men. There aren't many these days, that's true. The game was different then. ... There's more ball movement, there's more liked-sized players on the court. So things change, but I just can't see how anybody would think that Steph would have been guardable 30 years ago, 20 years ago, whatever."


Source (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14857175/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-finds-bashing-retired-stars-annoying)

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[SpaceJammeR]

its his fkn coach. lol what else would he say.

[Marchesk]

So Curry would be too quick for Payton, Moncrief or Jordan?

[Nick Young]

Glove could do it, and prime Kobe and Jordan could do it for sure.

How come Kawhi can't guard Curry? Too slow footed?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Tony Allen could even with their illegal screens

Hes far more athletic, has a higher IQ, far better footwork/footspeed, tenacity, strength, will get up on u, chase around 3pt line, can recover insanely to contest a shot or back into paint etc.

[90sgoat]

Kawhi doesn't have elite speed or lateral movement, his greatest strength is jumping ability and his IQ. Jordan on the other hand had incredible lateral speed and reaction time.

[references]

guy who played with jordan and pippen says they wouldn't be able to guard him but keyboard warriors suggest otherwise. who to trust?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Of course Kerr is going to have his current players back. Numb nut stans caught up in the moment. Curry wouldn't be this difficult to defend on a team not built perfectly to maximize his abilities and minimize his faults.


Glove could do it, and prime Kobe and Jordan could do it for sure.
I agree. Hell, I've seen Rose do a decent job on him multiple times. Prime Hinrich could probably frustrate him pretty well too. I've seen him do it many times to prime Kobe and Wade.

I mean if Delladova could for a couple games in the Finals, why couldn't anyone else?

Even Starks or Dumars. But definitely Glove, MJ, Pippen, prime Kobe, Robertson, Tony Allen has done it. Players small enough, quick footed and long enough to disrupt him. Most SFs are just too slow footed.


How come Kawhi can't guard Curry? Too slow footed?
You are correct sir. Laterally he's way too slow. Glove, Mike, Scottie, Robertson, Dumars, Starks and even Stockton were way faster in that regard. Which is more a necessity in negating dribble penetration.

Curry's additional strength this season. So he can shed some defenders with his upper body. Which also improved his range even more. His even better ball handling. Along with Klay's improvement and jump shooting ability. Green's improvement and the pick / roll game, along with the Warriors offensive spacing make Curry individually THIS season in particular ... coupled with the current rule set, impossible to guard.

[sundizz]

People misunderstand Kerr. He's talking about Curry as an offensive force. You could double him (like the Cavs did). That gravity he creates from 20 to 27 feet is only similar to the gravity a prime Shaq drew in the lane. There is no one that could stop him because his shot release is far too quick. Y'all crazy if u think Curry couldn't average 37+ if he was a chucker. He is averaging 30 while being the ultimate team player.

[references]

Tony Allen could even with their illegal screens

Hes far more athletic, has a higher IQ, far better footwork/footspeed, tenacity, strength, will get up on u, chase around 3pt line, can recover insanely to contest a shot or back into paint etc.
tony allen at best turns curry from greatest scorer of all time to merely superstar scorer :lol

[Chadwin]

prime jordan or pippen with handchecking would

Hubie already explained this.

[references]

Of course Kerr is going to have his current players back. Numb nut stans caught up in the moment. Curry wouldn't be this difficult to defend on a team not built perfectly to maximize his abilities and minimize his faults.


I agree. Hell, I've seen Rose do a decent job on him multiple times. Prime Hinrich could probably frustrate him pretty well too. I've seen him do it many times to prime Kobe and Wade.

I mean if Delladova could for a couple games in the Finals, why couldn't anyone else?

Even Starks or Dumars. But definitely Glove, MJ, Pippen, prime Kobe, Robertson, Tony Allen has done it. Players small enough, quick footed and long enough to disrupt him. Most SFs are just too slow footed.


You are correct sir. Laterally he's way too slow. Glove, Mike, Scottie, Robertson, Dumars, Starks and even Stockton were way faster in that regard. Which is more a necessity in negating dribble penetration.

Curry's additional strength this season. So he can shed some defenders with his upper body. Which also improved his range even more. His even better ball handling. Along with Klay's improvement and jump shooting ability. Green's improvement and the pick / roll game, along with the Warriors offensive spacing make Curry individually THIS season in particular ... coupled with the current rule set, impossible to guard.

why are you editting your posts and then posting again with more content? how angry are you lil guy? :facepalm

[oarabbus]

So Curry would be too quick for Payton, Moncrief or Jordan?


No, Jordan would hold Steph to 0 points shooting 0% :rolleyes:

[references]

No, Jordan would hold Steph to 0 points shooting 0% :rolleyes:
do you see that moron arguing that curry is only good because he's good and has good teammates? :lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

why are you editting your posts and then posting again with more content? how angry are you lil guy? :facepalm
Angry? Did you read the final paragraph? It was content I didn't want to post additionally about so I edited my original. Is their a problem why it's rustling your jimmies so much?

[thefatmiral]

Bowen could have. Broken his ankles when he comes down. That would slow him.

[references]

Angry? Did you read the final paragraph? It was content I didn't want to post additionally about so I edited my original. Is their a problem why it's rustling your jimmies so much?
all backhanded compliments to mask your obvious disdain

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bowen could have. Broken his ankles when he comes down. That would slow him.
Its illegal to do that these days in this era. Hed get thrown out most likely if he pulled his same dirty sht

[SamuraiSWISH]

all backhanded compliments to mask your obvious disdain
Disdain for what? I'm just being honest.

[SpanishACB]

He said he's too good. Even if you put someone quicker and stronger in front of him Curry will out play him, faint him, find an opening. Why is this so hard for people to understand? he's just too good with the ball in a 5v5 NBA level context add to that GOAT level shooting, even if you can stay in front of him at all times, he might still score

[Kvnzhangyay]

prime jordan or pippen with handchecking would

Hubie already explained this.

If the physicality of handchecking is allowed imagine Curry using much more blatant moving screens

[Chadwin]

If the physicality of handchecking is allowed imagine Curry using much more blatant moving screens

I'm talking about one on one. When a stronger, quicker guy is allowed to handcheck him he isn't going anywhere.

[Kblaze8855]

Just depends on the standard set. Nobody is just gonna hold him to 12 points on a regular basis. A great defender forces you to give up the ball.....not get it to begin with...or take a bad shot. Hes so unstoppable because his handles let him keep his dribble alive....his teammates prevent you from double teaming him with great shooting and ball movement...and the bad shots you "force" him into are shots he makes at least....35% of the time. And since most of them are 3s he still comes out ahead.

Those are things the era wouldnt change.

What would change...is how physical they could be with him. Its not just hard fouls...its constant general physicality. Derek Harper for one...not the best defender of his time...but he would keep his hands on you. hip check you when you blow by...backed up by Ewings, Oakleys, Masons and so on who would get physical around the basket?

Steph is too skilled to just...be rendered ineffective...and his shooters and playmakers would limit how much could be done with him. But he would have to adjust.

In the end though...there is no defense for a 30 foot jumper off the dribble with a hand in your face. All you could do...maybe a team like the 90s Sonics...press him full court with GP and Nate....hope your frontcourt players can really get around when they start moving the ball quickly. But even them....GP and Nate pressing Curry and/or Klay bringing it up....Detlef gonna go press Dray when they just have him take it out as an option to kick it to if Payton gets into Steph? You telling Kemp to cover Dray full court? They would be out there doing 5/4 pick and rolls with Dray and Barnes...and Iggy....Curry and Klay moving off the ball.


There is no easy solution to someone who makes awful shots and plays with too many shooters and playmakers to double him.

The answer might be just....beat him up as much as the times allow. We have rarely seen anyone try to rattle him and when they have its been....somewhat effective in short bursts. What happens when Vernon Maxwell tell him hes punching him in the face next time he scores on him? You think thats an exaggeration....but he literally tried to fight people for scoring on him too easily. Thats what he got in Jordans face about once. He got ejected in the last seconds of a playoff game for going at Charles Barkley. He fought Gary Payton when they were teammates over a tough practice and Horace Grant got hit with a weight trying to break it up. He went after a fan in the stands way before Artest.

He might literally....just punch Steph in the face for some of these shots.

Im not sure Alvin Robertson stands for it either.

Isiah Thomas threw punches at Barkley. Bill Cartwright. Ewing. You think he wouldnt consider putting hands on Curry? Dumars was a physical defender but not just a bully....Laimbeer? Mahorn? Rodman? Steph is gonna end up on the ground. Im not saying he just gets destroyed...though some people were. Im saying we dont know how he responds to the way teams would try to get him off his game. The 90s heat, Bulls, Knicks....some of those Pistons teams...even bad defensive teams. Guys took things like Steph does...personal. And someone would try to push him...see how he plays angry. See if he gets off his game.

We just dont see players today being tested that way very often.

What happens when Karl Malone takes it upon himself to teach the legendary "40 stitch lesson" because Curry gave Stockton 45 in disrespectful fashion the way Isiah did?

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How does he play after that? Get mad next time and play better? Play tentative?

Steph is someone so good....people in the past would have to resort to cheap tactics to get him off his game like they did to all the best players then. Guys who played in the past want to see how he would respond.

Hes clearly a hall of fame player in any era. The only question is how he would react to the very different tactics in other times. And a lot of the old players are kinda salty he gets to skip around and kill guys without anyone trying to make him fight for it like so many of them would have to.

People took it very personal when you showed them up the way Steph does. He makes guys look bad. Jordan did too...and he was always in some scuffle or getting up from a big hit from someone offended. Curry would piss the whole league off.

Im sure he would be fine....but we just have never seen him have to make that adjustment. Hes being defended fine. But the old guys want more than defense. They all seem to want a shot to knock him off his game. And they are mad nobody seems to be trying it.

[Inferno]

guy who played with jordan and pippen says they wouldn't be able to guard him but keyboard warriors suggest otherwise. who to trust?


:lol

[IncarceratedBob]

jordan and pippen guarded kerr everyday in practice, he knows the ins and outs of their defensive repertoire. and he didn't have to say anything about this, he said this without any question/prompt. he just came out and said it. Jordan expended so much energy scoring the ball he simply would have no energy left

[warriorfan]

Since Steve Kerr doesn't know shit about basketball I'm going with the ISH trolls in this situation

[WolfGang]

Old school.defense is overrated. They played like a bunch of thugs back then. Curry would still shine.

[LAZERUSS]

Just depends on the standard set. Nobody is just gonna hold him to 12 points on a regular basis. A great defender forces you to give up the ball.....not get it to begin with...or take a bad shot. Hes so unstoppable because his handles let him keep his dribble alive....his teammates prevent you from double teaming him with great shooting and ball movement...and the bad shots you "force" him into are shots he makes at least....35% of the time. And since most of them are 3s he still comes out ahead.

Those are things the era wouldnt change.

What would change...is how physical they could be with him. Its not just hard fouls...its constant general physicality. Derek Harper for one...not the best defender of his time...but he would keep his hands on you. hip check you when you blow by...backed up by Ewings, Oakleys, Masons and so on who would get physical around the basket?

Steph is too skilled to just...be rendered ineffective...and his shooters and playmakers would limit how much could be done with him. But he would have to adjust.

In the end though...there is no defense for a 30 foot jumper off the dribble with a hand in your face. All you could do...maybe a team like the 90s Sonics...press him full court with GP and Nate....hope your frontcourt players can really get around when they start moving the ball quickly. But even them....GP and Nate pressing Curry and/or Klay bringing it up....Detlef gonna go press Dray when they just have him take it out as an option to kick it to if Payton gets into Steph? You telling Kemp to cover Dray full court? They would be out there doing 5/4 pick and rolls with Dray and Barnes...and Iggy....Curry and Klay moving off the ball.


There is no easy solution to someone who makes awful shots and plays with too many shooters and playmakers to double him.

The answer might be just....beat him up as much as the times allow. We have rarely seen anyone try to rattle him and when they have its been....somewhat effective in short bursts. What happens when Vernon Maxwell tell him hes punching him in the face next time he scores on him? You think thats an exaggeration....but he literally tried to fight people for scoring on him too easily. Thats what he got in Jordans face about once. He got ejected in the last seconds of a playoff game for going at Charles Barkley. He fought Gary Payton when they were teammates over a tough practice and Horace Grant got hit with a weight trying to break it up. He went after a fan in the stands way before Artest.

He might literally....just punch Steph in the face for some of these shots.

Im not sure Alvin Robertson stands for it either.

Isiah Thomas threw punches at Barkley. Bill Cartwright. Ewing. You think he wouldnt consider putting hands on Curry? Dumars was a physical defender but not just a bully....Laimbeer? Mahorn? Rodman? Steph is gonna end up on the ground. Im not saying he just gets destroyed...though some people were. Im saying we dont know how he responds to the way teams would try to get him off his game. The 90s heat, Bulls, Knicks....some of those Pistons teams...even bad defensive teams. Guys took things like Steph does...personal. And someone would try to push him...see how he plays angry. See if he gets off his game.

We just dont see players today being tested that way very often.

What happens when Karl Malone takes it upon himself to teach the legendary "40 stitch lesson" because Curry gave Stockton 45 in disrespectful fashion the way Isiah did?

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How does he play after that? Get mad next time and play better? Play tentative?

Steph is someone so good....people in the past would have to resort to cheap tactics to get him off his game like they did to all the best players then. Guys who played in the past want to see how he would respond.

Hes clearly a hall of fame player in any era. The only question is how he would react to the very different tactics in other times. And a lot of the old players are kinda salty he gets to skip around and kill guys without anyone trying to make him fight for it like so many of them would have to.

People took it very personal when you showed them up the way Steph does. He makes guys look bad. Jordan did too...and he was always in some scuffle or getting up from a big hit from someone offended. Curry would piss the whole league off.

Im sure he would be fine....but we just have never seen him have to make that adjustment. Hes being defended fine. But the old guys want more than defense. They all seem to want a shot to knock him off his game. And they are mad nobody seems to be trying it.

The two bolded statements are the keys.

IF Curry didn't have 2-3-4 other deadly long range shooters on the floor at the same time, you could possibly defend him with multiple players jumping screens, all while trying to double him.

Kind of like the Celtics strategy against Kobe in the '08 Finals. Just keep throwing defenders at him at all times.

Of course, the problem with Curry is that he has almost unlimited range. That, with his unequaled handles and ball skills, along with his constant movement without the ball and having screens set up for him on every possession, make him almost impossible to defend.

[LAZERUSS]

I have long defended other eras here. But even an old codger like myself respects the greats of every era. Russell, Wilt, Oscar, KAJ, McAdoo, Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, KG, Dirk, Lebron, and now Steph.

All of the above, along with many others, have given us unique skill-sets, and in some cases, unbelievable athleticism. Then you had player like the 6-10 Moses, who was just relentless; the 6-5 Dantley, who amazingly POUNDED his peers from the POST; and the 6-5 Barkley who combined athleticism with skills, and could put up a 28 ppg season on a .604 eFG%, or even lead the league in rebounding.

The reality has been,...these are once-in-a-generation, or even once-in-a-lifetime, players.

Curry is easily the greatest pure shooter in the game. And that combined with his handles, makes him the most deadly shooter in the history of the NBA.

Let's just marvel at it, instead of trying to minimize it.

[3ball]

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Your post was good but I think you're giving too much attention to the extreme circumstances.. Old timers don't necessarily want to see how Curry would react if he got a 40-stitch lesson or was knocked on his ass repeatedly like MJ was - that's only PART of it.

They want to see how he'd react to the perpetual higher level of physicality throughout every possession - things like getting bumped/pushed while making cuts and simple hand-checking/contact on the perimeter - these things make it harder to shoot and drive, but they're currently ILLEGAL.

Ultimately, old-timers want to see how he'd do WITHOUT the hands-off, league-mandated space that perimeter defenders are required to give ballhandlers on the perimeter.......... in addition to getting bumped while cutting and getting knocked on his ass at the rim, and the perpetual level of higher physicality throughout every possession that was prevelent back then.

There's no way his offense would be the same if he had to deal with these things - like i said, he'd still be very good... But not the best player in the league, and not the all-time offense he's showing this season.

[livinglegend]

Curry would drop atleast 40 on Jordan.
Pippen would do a better job. He would probably hold him to 35.

[LARRY BROWN]

Jordan would shut this guy down!

Jordan was all team first defensive three years in a row

Jordan would beat 4 to 0

Jordan would average 32 a game

curry only 25

Jordan at 25 would destroy him!:coleman:

[Kblaze8855]

Your post was good but I think you're giving too much attention to the extreme circumstances.. Old timers don't necessarily want to see how Curry would react if he got a 40-stitch lesson or was knocked on his ass repeatedly like MJ was - that's only PART of it.

They want to see how he'd react to the perpetual higher level of physicality throughout every possession - things like getting bumped/pushed while making cuts and simple hand-checking/contact on the perimeter - these things make it harder to shoot and drive, but they're currently ILLEGAL.



Why I said:



What would change...is how physical they could be with him. Its not just hard fouls...its constant general physicality.



Most games wouldnt have any kind of obvious bigtime hits. Those were rare even then. But the general nature of defense....trying to physically stop a scorer who is going off...thats the difference.

Always gonna be some no pride teams that let you do whatever you like. But he would come across a few that just wouldnt be cool with it. But you almost never see anyone just...trying to get him off his game that way now.

The players are perfectly capable. The league just isnt built that way anymore. If he had to play in say...1997? Needed to beat two of the Bulls, Knicks, and Heat to make the finals?

Hes too skilled to just say he couldnt play well. In the end....the all time supreme skilled players find a way. And he is one of those players. But it would just be...different. He wouldnt even be facing out of this world defenders outside vs 2 of those teams. But they just uglied games up so well....

[LARRY BROWN]

Curry would drop atleast 40 on Jordan.
Pippen would do a better job. He would probably hold him to 35.


yeah but the bulls would be able to score all over the warriors!cause tthey give up 102 a game

bulls would pressure curry double teams ,and the rest of the warriors wouldn't
score
the bulls would sweep the warriors cause they have no d!
curry would go off but the rest of warriors would do nothing!
pippen Jordan and kukoc rodman would sweep the warriors:coleman:

[3ball]

Old timers are mad that no one is trying to knock him off his game


not exactly - they're mad that the rules DON'T ALLOW a defender to use the same tactics (superior tactics) that were available to defenders in previous eras.

Much of the physicality that was LEGAL back then is now ILLEGAL - defenders are hamstrung - that's what old timers are mad about.

[90sgoat]

not exactly - they're mad that the rules DON'T ALLOW a defender to use the same tactics (superior tactics) that were available to defenders in previous eras.

Much of the physicality that was LEGAL back then is now ILLEGAL - defenders are hamstrung - that's what old timers are mad about.

This exactly, let me explain how I feel. When I played back in the 90s at competetive games (low level, but still sanctioned), getting to the rim as a guard was pretty f..ing difficult. A big in the paint, getting bodied, hand checked, lots of contact on finishes. Getting to the rim meant something. It was an achievement for a guard. Today it is no achievement at all everyone does it.

Maybe it is this millenial generation who wants everything easy. It's like video games back then were very difficult and saves were few. Now most games are like interactive movies. Compare something like Wolfenstein to Call of Duty.

This idea that 'everyones a winner' and everything is 'the greatest thing ever' is really annoying.

It's just a different mindset. I'd want Curry to face real hard defense, because I would cheer for him to overcome it and thus prove how good he is. Today, when every two bit comboguard can chuck into 20-30ppg what does it matter when Curry does it?

[DMAVS41]

Guarding Curry would be very difficult, but this notion that guys like Jordan and Payton in their primes with Steph playing in their era with different rules...couldn't guard him...just no.

Kerr knows this...he has to.

He witnessed just how strong and capable MJ was on that end against smaller players. Especially in the pick and roll...MJ was so good at fighting through and over screens and had uncanny lateral quickness.

Similar things for Payton of course.

Curry is and would be an all time great no matter what, but lets tap the brakes on ignoring that this era for perimeter players is vastly easier than it was in the past.

It's a new and different game...doesn't make it better or worse overall, but it's simply a fact that post 2004...the game has become far easier for perimeter players to dominate.

[Kobe_6/8]

In the older eras, some teams would make it their mission to wipe that smirk off Curry's face. If it takes hard fouls and suspensions, that's what it takes.

[LARRY BROWN]

if curry was playing in the 80s he wouldn't be shooting three point shots
from half court!

gaurds from the 80s were a lot bigger back then and more physical!

he would see double teams!

plus he would be getting slamed to the ground real hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and maybe a elbow to the face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coleman:

[LARRY BROWN]

In the older eras, some teams would make it their mission to wipe that smirk off Curry's face. If it takes hard fouls and suspensions, that's what it takes.


I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Detroit bad boys would slam this guy to the ground,or close line his little but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet he wouldn't be smiling then!

black eye would do his little but good!:coleman:

[Blue&Orange]

Well some players in THIS ERA would be able to guard him, if the NBE, excuse me, the NBA allowed perimeter players to be defended. But as we know it, NBE, excuse me, NBA, don't allow that shit nowadays. I'm assuming guarding here doesn't mean stop him.

[Blue&Orange]

Maybe it is this millenial generation who wants everything easy. It's like video games back then were very difficult and saves were few. Now most games are like interactive movies. Compare something like Wolfenstein to Call of Duty.

This idea that 'everyones a winner' and everything is 'the greatest thing ever' is really annoying.

It's just a different mindset. I'd want Curry to face real hard defense, because I would cheer for him to overcome it and thus prove how good he is. Today, when every two bit comboguard can chuck into 20-30ppg what does it matter when Curry does it?
haha good comparison, this video says it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Xfc31v95M

[knicksman]

Call me crazy but curry is the best defender in the 90s

[LakersForlife]

the truth will set you free... im talking about you mj fans

[Rake2204]

Guarding Curry would be very difficult, but this notion that guys like Jordan and Payton in their primes with Steph playing in their era with different rules...couldn't guard him...just no.

Kerr knows this...he has to.

He witnessed just how strong and capable MJ was on that end against smaller players. Especially in the pick and roll...MJ was so good at fighting through and over screens and had uncanny lateral quickness.

Similar things for Payton of course.

Curry is and would be an all time great no matter what, but lets tap the brakes on ignoring that this era for perimeter players is vastly easier than it was in the past.

It's a new and different game...doesn't make it better or worse overall, but it's simply a fact that post 2004...the game has become far easier for perimeter players to dominate.I think it depends what Kerr means by "couldn't guard". I felt as though he was saying Curry is a deadly player now and would be a deadly player then, too. And to that, I would agree. As to how much he'd have to adjust his game, I think that's up for debate.

But as a big '90s guy, I'm definitely in the "Curry-would-still-be-real-nasty" camp. I mean, I look back real fondly on a lot of players back then

[Kvnzhangyay]

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I think it depends what Kerr means by "couldn't guard". I felt as though he was saying Curry is a deadly player now and would be a deadly player then, too. And to that, I would agree. As to how much he'd have to adjust his game, I think that's up for debate.

But as a big '90s guy, I'm definitely in the "Curry-would-still-be-real-nasty" camp. I mean, I look back real fondly on a lot of players back then

[OldSchoolBBall]

Of course Kerr is going to have his current players back. Numb nut stans caught up in the moment. Curry wouldn't be this difficult to defend on a team not built perfectly to maximize his abilities and minimize his faults.


I agree. Hell, I've seen Rose do a decent job on him multiple times. Prime Hinrich could probably frustrate him pretty well too. I've seen him do it many times to prime Kobe and Wade.

I mean if Delladova could for a couple games in the Finals, why couldn't anyone else?

Even Starks or Dumars. But definitely Glove, MJ, Pippen, prime Kobe, Robertson, Tony Allen has done it. Players small enough, quick footed and long enough to disrupt him. Most SFs are just too slow footed.


You are correct sir. Laterally he's way too slow. Glove, Mike, Scottie, Robertson, Dumars, Starks and even Stockton were way faster in that regard. Which is more a necessity in negating dribble penetration.

Curry's additional strength this season. So he can shed some defenders with his upper body. Which also improved his range even more. His even better ball handling. Along with Klay's improvement and jump shooting ability. Green's improvement and the pick / roll game, along with the Warriors offensive spacing make Curry individually THIS season in particular ... coupled with the current rule set, impossible to guard.

Samurai, do you agree with this post I made about Curry?


People are SERIOUSLY overrating Curry and GS here. All time great player and team? Certainly. But Curry is not as good offensively as Jordan was, and these Warriors are not as good as those Bulls.

GS goes as Curry goes, and Curry is unguardable today for a few reasons:

1) No contact perimeter defense means he can get wherever he wants unimpeded.

2) Refs turning a blind eye to the millions of illegal screens which have been set for Curry this year.

3) Incredible spacing due to a bevy of elite 3-point shooters. This, combined with perimeter defenders being unable to be physical, allows Curry to get into the lane at will if he wants to, where he finishes at a good rate because...

4) There are no true shotblocking PF's/C's in the lane, and no hard fouls allowed. So not only can Curry get into the paint a lot more easily today (due to no perimeter contact and WIDE OPEN lanes due to spacing), when he gets there he can finish at a 65% clip despite his smaller size and modest athleticism.

Point of fact: you drop Curry in the '87-'96 NBA and yeah, initially he'd hit a ton of 3's (especially in the 80's) because no one would be used to a guy who can shoot like he does. But after the initial shock, coaches would quickly realize that they simply have to play him as a shooter. And why would they be able to do that more easily when defenders today can't? Because his primary defenders would be allowed to be physical with him and guide him where they wanted and wear him out over the course of the game (which also affects legs and his shot). They could also play very close up on him because his inside game would be almost COMPLETELY nullified by the very nature of the game back then: packed lanes, lots of contact inside and on the perimeter, and actual big men shotblockers waiting inside. Curry is not getting in the paint with anywhere NEAR the frequency he does today, and when he gets there he is not finishing at anywhere near a 65% clip against Zo, DRob, Dream, Mutombo etc. There's a reason why no 6'3" players were dominating the paint back then even when they were much more athletic than Curry - the game was just different.

And once you nullify Curry's inside game - that is, the THREAT of his inside game, which is all he needs to keep defenses honest - you simply have to play him as a shooter. The best shooter of all time, yes, but still a shooter. Not the complete offensive player he is today due to the nature of today's game. You can't guard Curry today because you can't take anything away from him due to various rules and the spacing of today's game and of the GS team in particular. Back then, his inside game would AUTOMATICALLY be nullified. That's the difference. He'd be played as a shooter and his effectiveness would drop markedly. He'd still be an all-time great, but he wouldn't be what we've seen this season, numbers or efficacy wise. I'd say he'd be a 22-26 ppg/6-7 ast/60-62% TS player. Still a HOF'er undoubtedly, but there would be zero GOAT or "GOAT offensive season" discussions.

[Asukal]

LOL you idiots think MJ can't guard Curry if he wanted to? Old ass 40 year old Jordan shut down prime Vince Carter, old ass 35 year old Jordan shut down Reggie Miller. Prime MJ focusing on 1on1 defense will kill Curry. :whatever:

[imnew09]

Thick Af


Unguardable

[Milbuck]

LOL you idiots think MJ can't guard Curry if he wanted to? Old ass 40 year old Jordan shut down prime Vince Carter, old ass 35 year old Jordan shut down Reggie Miller. Prime MJ focusing on 1on1 defense will kill Curry. :whatever:
Curry completely shits on both VC and Reggie. Like it's not close. So don't what you're getting at there.

[plowking]

LOL you idiots think MJ can't guard Curry if he wanted to? Old ass 40 year old Jordan shut down prime Vince Carter, old ass 35 year old Jordan shut down Reggie Miller. Prime MJ focusing on 1on1 defense will kill Curry. :whatever:

lol.

Curry>Jordan

[Lakersfamftw]

lol.

Curry>JordanNo. And not as good as Kobe. Averaging 35 for a SEASAON. Curry is averaging 30 and kids like you are happy and overreacting. Stay saying nothing kid. Gosh, your ages really start to show with dumb posts like that.

[sekachu]

This includes MJ, Scottie, Glove, NAME IT. Steve Kerr played with many great defensive players so he knows what he's talking about.

CURRY FAM STAYS WINNING




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Matthew Dellavedova says hi :roll:

[plowking]

No. And not as good as Kobe. Averaging 35 for a SEASAON. Curry is averaging 30 and kids like you are happy and overreacting. Stay saying nothing kid. Gosh, your ages really start to show with dumb posts like that.

I really don't care who is better, but Curry is most definitely better than Kobe. It isn't a question.

As far as Shaq, MJ, Bron and Kareem level, he is right there.

[Lakersfamftw]

I really don't care who is better, but Curry is most definitely better than Kobe. It isn't a question.

As far as Shaq, MJ, Bron and Kareem level, he is right there.

No he's NOT. How old are you?
Kobe got 4 straight 50 point games. Tell em anyone in the past 20 years can do that?
Not even Jordan can do that.
Shaq only had 1 60 point game..
Stop being a moral.

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I think it depends what Kerr means by "couldn't guard". I felt as though he was saying Curry is a deadly player now and would be a deadly player then, too. And to that, I would agree. As to how much he'd have to adjust his game, I think that's up for debate.

But as a big '90s guy, I'm definitely in the "Curry-would-still-be-real-nasty" camp. I mean, I look back real fondly on a lot of players back then

[Lakersfamftw]

A moron.

[Lakersfamftw]

Of course...

Again, I'm not claiming he would be much worse in a different era or anything like that.

I've said, even at the beginning of this year, that he's the 2nd best point I've seen with a chance to be the best.

This year, if he finishes it out, will be the best pg year I've ever seen since late 70's....better than any version of Magic.

So, Curry is all time great...top of his position type player.

But he also very much excels in the current rules.

Would he be as good playing in 01 to 04 NBA? I really don't think so...I don't see the case that could be made for that. Does that mean much? Nope.

My post was in response to Kerr. Given more physical rules and guard defenders like Payton and MJ...they could give Curry a much harder game than anyone in the current NBA can.

As for the screen stuff...yes, that matters and it adds to the difficulty of stopping steph, but guys like MJ/Payton...specifically MJ...fought over and through screens in a way no current player is capable of nor do the rules allow.

Having said all that...the dude is playing at a level that is better than just about all but a handful of guys have ever reached. Doesn't matter the era...the dude is all time great.

Thank you. Exactly.
Jordan and Kobe played with proper defense. Kobe is more flexible because he played in the old era with the old rules and with the new rules. But stop creaming yourselves folks over the latest flavor of the month.
Go back and watch 2006 Kobe. It ain't close.

[BoutPractice]

Of course.

I never understood this argument since the whole basis of Curry's dominance is that he can shoot from almost any distance, off balance, after the dribble... The defense is close to being irrelevant.

[plowking]

No he's NOT. How old are you?
Kobe got 4 straight 50 point games. Tell em anyone in the past 20 years can do that?
Not even Jordan can do that.
Shaq only had 1 60 point game..
Stop being a moral.

Awesome, good for him. 4 games don't make a season. And his efficiency isn't close to Curry's. Nor is the time he does it in.

Curry averages 33ppg per 36 minutes this season. Kobe averaged 31ppg per 36 minutes in 06.

Factor in how much more efficient Curry is, and how he blows teams out of the water and gets to rest, it isn't close.

[Lakersfamftw]

Awesome, good for him. 4 games don't make a season. And his efficiency isn't close to Curry's. Nor is the time he does it in.

Curry averages 33ppg per 36 minutes this season. Kobe averaged 31ppg per 36 minutes in 06.

Factor in how much more efficient Curry is, and how he blows teams out of the water and gets to rest, it isn't close.

No. That's dumb. That's like that saying let me play 5 minutes score 5 points and I'll average 48 per 48 minutes. Curry don't play 4th quarters so he don't tire. So his per 36 numbers are better
Stop deliberately being stupid Kobe was also better defensively and you goddarn know that but chose to ignore it.

[plowking]

No. That's dumb. That's like that saying let me play 5 minutes score 5 points and I'll average 48 per 48 minutes. Curry don't play 4th quarters so he don't tire. So his per 36 numbers are better
Stop deliberately being stupid Kobe was also better defensively and you goddarn know that but chose to ignore it.

So winning a game early enough to be able to rest is a bad thing?

[JohnFreeman]

So winning a game early enough to be able to rest is a bad thing?
You expect logic from a Rapebe fan

[Lakersfamftw]

So winning a game early enough to be able to rest is a bad thing?

Why mention the per 36 numbers. You can't do that cause they ain't play the same minutes. You already know that. Yet carry on manipulating numbers for Curry and against Kobe. I'm sure you think your smart.

[plowking]

You expect logic from a Rapebe fan

I'm actually going to stop responding to him now.

I'm genuinely worried his stupidness might be contagious.

[Lakersfamftw]

I'm actually going to stop responding to him now.

I'm genuinely worried his stupidness might be contagious.Yet you ain't made one proper argument. Typical from a you-know-what. And a lar as well, misquoting folks on a whim.
Carry on though,pretending to have an understanding about the game.

[NBASTATMAN]

prime jordan or pippen with handchecking would

Hubie already explained this.


yea with hand checking they would tire his legs out fast. He would still be amazing though

[Rose'sACL]

Curry would do as well in any era but he should be thankful that he plays in today's era because i am sure that some players would have literally injured him on purpose if he played in 80s or early 90s.

[knicksman]

Plowqueen getting trolled by lakersfam aka dubeta:lol

[Sarcastic]

So Curry would be unguardable in any era, but Jordan in this era would be a poor man's Tony Allen. Gotcha. No recency bias at all.

[Riks]

Ball denial would be key, and rougher play of the past would slow Curry down. I do agree he would be a top player in any era.

[Heavincent]

So Curry would be unguardable in any era, but Jordan in this era would be a poor man's Tony Allen. Gotcha. No recency bias at all.

You really think people are serious about the poor man's Tony Allen thing? It's a meme.

[oh the horror]

I'm not sure why anyone over 35 argue with 20 year olds regarding this. You literally can see the way the game is played now to cater to allowing offense for guards to flourish. Curry is a legend in today's NBA. But again when watching an offensive player able to walk up and do whatever he wants without anyone keeping check on him it's no wonder. Sorry but today's NBA is different.


Kerr knows better. He's their coach. He's going to stay that.

[oh the horror]

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I think it depends what Kerr means by "couldn't guard". I felt as though he was saying Curry is a deadly player now and would be a deadly player then, too. And to that, I would agree. As to how much he'd have to adjust his game, I think that's up for debate.

But as a big '90s guy, I'm definitely in the "Curry-would-still-be-real-nasty" camp. I mean, I look back real fondly on a lot of players back then

[Lakersfamftw]

I'm not sure why anyone over 35 argue with 20 year olds regarding this. You literally can see the way the game is played now to cater to allowing offense for guards to flourish. Curry is a legend in today's NBA. But again when watching an offensive player able to walk up and do whatever he wants without anyone keeping check on him it's no wonder. Sorry but today's NBA is different.


Kerr knows better. He's their coach. He's going to stay that.

Thank you. Move alone folks. There's nothing to see here but hyperbole. While Curry is undeniably great, is like folks forgot what is was like with tougher perimeter defense.
Being guarded by Dellevdosa is not exactly the same as facing a Joe dumas or a Tony Allen.

[oh the horror]

Look dude it's simple. I don't need some kid to break down some obscure stats for me. I see it with my eyes. This guy walks up and is able to freely dribble around while face front on defensive players. There's a reason back in the day that players (point guards) would dribble the ball coming up court with their backs turned toward the defense. They had to protect themselves. This shit is different now.

[DMAVS41]

Bro if there are things Curry does that you've never seen then you need to watch more ball.


Sorry but I'm not buying it. He's amazing but far too often I've watched this guy able to benefit from today's rules. At some point they need to implement harder defensive rules because this dude owns the league with this soft defense.

While I agree with some of your post...there has never been a player even close to Curry in terms of shooting in all aspects.

So your first statement...which player are you referencing that can shoot like Curry can in all aspects?

[DMAVS41]

Thank you. Exactly.
Jordan and Kobe played with proper defense. Kobe is more flexible because he played in the old era with the old rules and with the new rules. But stop creaming yourselves folks over the latest flavor of the month.
Go back and watch 2006 Kobe. It ain't close.

What?

Current Curry is easily having a better year than 06 Kobe.

The rules in 06 were far easier on perimeter players than they are now.

What the hell are you talking about?

This isn't a knock on Kobe really....he is one of the best ever to lace them up and 06 was amazing. However, the rules were even softer back then...just go look at the shit other perimeter players were doing. Curry is way more ahead vs his peers than Kobe was in 06.

So while there is some truth to this era being suited to Curry...we can't let that distract from the fact that he's reached a level right now that maybe 5 guys have ever reached. And honestly, if he finishes this season out at this level, he'll have a legit argument for greatest season ever. If he actually finished out the rest of the regular season and playoffs doing 30/7/5 at near 70% TS....with his off ball impact and dominance....it might be the best season ever. So lets just admit we are watching transcendence.

At the very beginning of this year I thought it was silly when people were claiming Curry was clearly better than the likes of Durant, WB, Lebron...etc. But he has been all year now. He's easily the best player in the game unless something changes. And when you can be easily the best player in the game when you have peak WB and Durant...and Lebron out there...you are ****ing special.

[tpols]

What?

Current Curry is easily having a better year than 06 Kobe.

The rules in 06 were far easier on perimeter players than they are now.

What the hell are you talking about?

These 80s 90s guys are crazy.. Curry can step into 35 foot shots and swish them unlike any player ever from the past.. if he does what he's doing now in the playoffs his offensive peak will be above jordan level

[Indian guy]

The rules in 06 were far easier on perimeter players than they are now.


Ummm, it's the same rules. The no-touch rule probably isn't as strictly enforced as it was in 2006, but the rule book looks no different today than it did a decade ago. Now, I do agree that defenses have gotten more sophisticated. Particularly after Thibodeau popularized the whole strong side overloading in 2008(especially by 2011 as Bulls' HC) and funneling everything to the baseline. Everybody started copying that.

Also, not directed at you, but can we please stop pretending everything changed with 2005? The NBA banned hand-checking starting 94-95 alone. You could no longer put your hands on a player unless they were below the FT line and then too, only your forearm. So really, whatever minimal impeding you saw was strictly happening between big men anyway. And the league kept passing more and more rules between 95-01 to further eradicate any type of contact, particularly on the perimeter. All the 2005 rules did is start enforcing what happened between 95-2001 more strictly.

I can buy Curry maybe not being quite as effective pre-95, although still incredible. But post-95 onward? Give me a break. He would light everyone up. His game is too well rounded and more importantly, there's no defense for the kind of shots he consistently makes. To him, a pull up 27 footer is a 10 foot jumper. Nobody's doing anything to change that in '96, '86 or '66.

[Akhenaten]

The 60's/70's guys are the only ones that have a salient argument which is in their day the 3 point shot did not exist (oddly enough none of these cretins ever make that argument they say something dumb like "we'd press him full court, or touch him up"). Curry likely would still be a very good to great player without the 3ball but he would not be ALL TIME/GOAT level IMO.

These 80's/90's cats need to stop the malarkey though, grown azz men on some sucka hating sh*t.

[DMAVS41]

Ummm, it's the same rules. The no-touch rule probably isn't as strictly enforced as it was in 2006, but the rule book looks no different today than it did a decade ago. Now, I do agree that defenses have gotten more sophisticated. Particularly after Thibodeau popularized the whole strong side overloading in 2008(especially by 2011 as Bulls' HC) and funneling everything to the baseline. Everybody started copying that.

Also, not directed at you, but can we please stop pretending everything changed with 2005? The NBA banned hand-checking starting 94-95 alone. You could no longer put your hands on a player unless they were below the FT line and then too, only your forearm. So really, whatever minimal impeding you saw was strictly happening between big men anyway. And the league kept passing more and more rules between 95-01 to further eradicate any type of contact, particularly on the perimeter. All the 2005 rules did is start enforcing what happened between 95-2001 more strictly.

I can buy Curry maybe not being quite as effective pre-95, although still incredible. But post-95 onward? Give me a break. He would light everyone up. His game is too well rounded and more importantly, there's no defense for the kind of shots he consistently makes. To him, a pull up 27 footer is a 10 foot jumper. Nobody's doing anything to change that in '96, '86 or '66.

How they are being implemented and how refs call the game is much different now. In 05 and 06...especially 06...refs called the game much much much tighter. And, players have adapted, hence the game has changed a lot. What we see now is a combination of refs not calling quite as much...plus current players growing up in a league where you simply can't do certain things and not get called.

So yes, the rules are the same technically, but how a game is played and called is far different.

Go back and watch the Clippers vs Warriors game and watch CP3 grab, hold, and push Curry all game. That never would have happened in 06 and said player not foul out immediately.

Lastly, the NBA did drastically change from 04 to 05. Did everything change? Of course not, but enough changed that it completely altered what was the optimal style of play both for teams and players... and which positions would be more impactful...etc.

It's still the same sport and great players would and are still great players, but a ton changed from the 01-04 time...to after. Ignoring that is silly...

[VeeCee15]

If Curry dominated the possessed the ball as much as kobe, shot as much as him
he would average 40+ ppg on way higher percentages.

In 06 all kobe did was shoot the ball, or drive the ball and get some phantom FTS...he possessed the ball for most of the game no one else touched it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Curry would rip thru the 90's just as he's doing now, maybe slightly less efficient because of handchecking and various physicality aspects.

Dude being the most efficient and arguably BEST offensive player wouldn't be in question, though.

1 on 1... Steph is literally unguardable.

[Rake2204]

Bro if there are things Curry does that you've never seen then you need to watch more ball.

Sorry but I'm not buying it. He's amazing but far too often I've watched this guy able to benefit from today's rules. At some point they need to implement harder defensive rules because this dude owns the league with this soft defense.There's nothing to buy. It's my own personal experience so I'm not trying to convince you of anything here. If you think I need to watch more basketball... I can't stop you from your thoughts on that matter.

I was just saying, I've never seen it done the way I've seen Curry do it over the last couple of years. Have I seen someone make a half-court jumper? Sure. Vince Carter did it a time or two. Ditto Kobe and LeBron. Have I seen people make crazy 3-pointers early in the shot clock from way further out than seemingly necessary? For sure. Tayshaun Prince's five-triple run at Kentucky (with the last coming from the logo) is one of my favorite basketball sequences of all-time.

But in terms of doing things like that on a regular basis and somehow almost turning the spectacular into the mundane and expected... no, I've never seen it done like this. He's turned the game on its head in terms of everything we believed to be true when it comes to certain aspects (what's a good shot, what's a bad shot, how accurate can someone truly be when pulling from 30 feet with a hand in his face, ect).

I mean, folks were criticizing Andre Roberson last night for being stupid enough to extend his defense all the way out to 30 feet and inward instead of 40 feet and inward. Stephen Curry pulled from 40 feet, with time to spare, and the collective response, with no sense of irony, was, "Well c'mon, you know you can't give him that."

That's where we're at right now, and it's crazy to me.

[livinglegend]

These oldies really think Curry would struggle in previous era? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Basketball is at its best right now.
More advanced technology, nutrition, strategies...

[sd3035]

Curry would make these old timers take up another sport

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office.gif

[90sgoat]

These oldies really think Curry would struggle in previous era? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Basketball is at its best right now.
More advanced technology, nutrition, strategies...

IQ lower than 90 confirmed.

[atljonesbro]

I'm not sure why anyone over 35 argue with 20 year olds regarding this. You literally can see the way the game is played now to cater to allowing offense for guards to flourish. Curry is a legend in today's NBA. But again when watching an offensive player able to walk up and do whatever he wants without anyone keeping check on him it's no wonder. Sorry but today's NBA is different.


Kerr knows better. He's their coach. He's going to stay that.
Check out this bitter old man. "Get off my lawn!!!" :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

These 80s 90s guys are crazy.. Curry can step into 35 foot shots and swish them unlike any player ever from the past.. if he does what he's doing now in the playoffs his offensive peak will be above jordan level

Yes...if Curry is able to do 31/5/7 69% TS the rest of the year and in the playoffs.

It would be the single greatest offensive season ever imo....given his gravity off the ball as well...I won't call it easily, but it's close.

As great as MJ was and as dominant as he was offensively...he didn't have remotely the off ball impact and didn't create quite as many scoring opportunities for his teammates because of that.

Now, would peak MJ be able to dominate even more in this soft perimeter rules league with very poor bigs...perhaps, but Steph is taylor made for this era.

Either way....Steph is in a very rare and special place historically with only a couple, if that, players in NBA history being as good offensively.

[Heavincent]

You guys know they still called fouls in the 90's, right? Like, a lot of fouls. I swear to god, it's like some of these die hard 90's guys didn't even watch back then, because the physicality of that era is a little overstated.