RIP Bernie Sanders

[Nick Young]

The Bernie David campaign is over. The dark queen Hillbot 3000 rises.

Who will stand up to stop her from sending us in to war with Iran?

Stay tuned.


Bernie was a nice guy, but nice guys finish last.

Too bad there is no room for commies in the Oval office.

[DonDadda59]

The Bernie David campaign is over. The dark queen Hillbot 3000 rises.

Who will stand up to stop her from sending us in to war with Iran?

Stay tuned.


Bernie was a nice guy, but nice guys finish last.

Too bad there is no room for commies in the Oval office.

She helped end their nuclear weapons ambitions and in Iran, the reformists and moderates are taking over from the conservative hardliners and isolationists right now. Detente with the West and new partnerships internationally as well as more freedom and social/economic progress internally will be the new Iranian model going forward.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-reformists-performing-early-election-results-37238843 :applause:

It's a new day, broseph. The Cuckservative movement is dying Worldwide, not just in 'Murrica. A few years from now we could be talking about Iran being an ally in the Mid East.

Brave new World.

[Smook B]

He never had a chance.

[9erempiree]

RIP

[Draz]

What I miss what happened?

[knickballer]

Bernie did get crushed in the SC primary but that was expected. There was no chance of Bernie winning SC no matter what and even Bernie knew it was a lost cause. He's picking his battles right now and is focusing on other states.

[Nick Young]

What I miss what happened?
Bernie's campaign is dead.

[Cactus-Sack]

She helped end their nuclear weapons ambitions and in Iran, the reformists and moderates are taking over from the conservative hardliners and isolationists right now. Detente with the West and new partnerships internationally as well as more freedom and social/economic progress internally will be the new Iranian model going forward.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-reformists-performing-early-election-results-37238843 :applause:

It's a new day, broseph. The Cuckservative movement is dying Worldwide, not just in 'Murrica. A few years from now we could be talking about Iran being an ally in the Mid East.

Brave new World.

Iran ended their nuclear weapons program 13 years ago you liar

Hillary didn't build that (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/03/iran.nuclear/)

[Dresta]

She helped end their nuclear weapons ambitions and in Iran, the reformists and moderates are taking over from the conservative hardliners and isolationists right now. Detente with the West and new partnerships internationally as well as more freedom and social/economic progress internally will be the new Iranian model going forward.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-reformists-performing-early-election-results-37238843 :applause:

It's a new day, broseph. The Cuckservative movement is dying Worldwide, not just in 'Murrica. A few years from now we could be talking about Iran being an ally in the Mid East.

Brave new World.
No she didn't. Someone already called you out on this BS (dunks i believe)--no progress was made with that deal until she got her fat neocon ass out of the way.

[DonDadda59]

No she didn't. Someone already called you out on this BS (dunks i believe)--no progress was made with that deal until she got her fat neocon ass out of the way.

^Mad as hell.

Hilldawg was the one who put together the International sanctions agreements, including convincing adversaries like Russia and China to go along, that led Iran to halt its program and come to the negotiating table.

Clinton and her subordinates had been engaging in secret negotiations with the Iranians via Oman acting as intermediaries for years before any talk of a deal reached the media.

[FillJackson]

Bernie did get crushed in the SC primary but that was expected. There was no chance of Bernie winning SC no matter what and even Bernie knew it was a lost cause. He's picking his battles right now and is focusing on other states. Yeah, but people were predicted a 30 point loss not an almost 50% loss. Perhaps Bernie voters knew it was over and didn't turn out, but this was more of a blowout than expected. Both RCP and Pollster averages were under 30 points. This probably means all of the south is going to be rough for him.

Bernie faces a steep climb to the nomination and it's about to get worse in 3 days. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have to many friendly battlegrounds left. Of the 11 states up grabs Tuesday, he is only putting resources into 5
Oklahoma, Minnesota, Colorado, Massachusetts and Vermont. Vermont's a lock and Massachusetts is probably next best for him.

You need 2,383 delegates to win the nomination.
Hillary Clinton has 542 delegates (90 + 452 superdelegates) and Bernie Sanders has 85 (60 + 20 superdelegates.)

In three days it's going to be something like 1040 to 455.

[Draz]

Why ya'll tryna do that to Bernie doe

I really thought he died fam

[FillJackson]

Bernie's lead among young votes and the fact that delegates are proportional means he will probably be able to take this to convention and get a good time for his speech, but March looks rough for him.

[bballnoob1192]

as a californian that is going to vote for bernie. i feel like by the time my vote gets counted he has already lost. **** THE PRIMARY SYSTEM. now im stuck having to vote for hillary in the general. cuz that's my only choice. If i don't vote hilary trump will win the presidency. it's like eating shit or drinking piss.

Really ****ing retarded how so many states don't even matter in the primary. then they get stuck with voting for a candidate they don't even want. DEM will have record low voter turnout in the general. I jsut have a feeling.

[~primetime~]

He never had a chance.
This

And Trump has no shot either



Clintons are back in the white house again... It's over

First woman ever

[Nick Young]

Why ya'll tryna do that to Bernie doe

I really thought he died fam
Symbolically he did.

[FillJackson]

Yeah, but people were predicted a 30 point loss not an almost 50% loss. Perhaps Bernie voters knew it was over and didn't turn out, but this was more of a blowout than expected.
Holy Smokes, Bernie had 240 staffers in South Carolina.

[bladefd]

Bernie's lead among young votes and the fact that delegates are proportional means he will probably be able to take this to convention and get a good time for his speech, but March looks rough for him.

It is time for Bernie to go to Defcon 5 and look at speeches of Abe Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Dwight Eisenhower for inspiration. It's his last shot on Super Tuesday to inspire the people of this country through a message of unity. Especially focus on Republican Abe Lincoln and Democrat FDR. Shift from message of fixing inequality to unity. We need unity as much as ever or we risk losing the American way of life.

Basically, he should go into Grandpa mode when the grandkids are acting up. Show some love, speak softly, but carry a big stick (Thanks Teddy). I think that would be a good approach in a last attempt appeal to independents and moderate democrats. He must get a bit towards centrist through his words. Think of "The Last Speech."

For Bernie, the next 10 days are everything as far as last appeal goes.

[Cactus-Sack]

^Berniecucks are delusional^

[nathanjizzle]

Black lives matter killed the bernie vote.

[Cactus-Sack]

Black lives matter killed the bernie vote.
No it didn't.

Bernies popularity has increased mightily since then. The DNC is the reason he will lose.

[Take Your Lumps]

Today, Bern got endorsed by Tulsi Gabbard -- combat veteran, congresswoman, and ex-DNC vice chair. Most importantly here, of course, is that she's hot af.

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tulsi-gabbard-new-mug-e1367375549796.jpg

The Judgment to Lead: Why I'm Endorsing Bernie Sanders (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UM8F4EuUbw&feature=youtu.be)

[dunksby]

^Mad as hell.

Hilldawg was the one who put together the International sanctions agreements, including convincing adversaries like Russia and China to go along, that led Iran to halt its program and come to the negotiating table.

Clinton and her subordinates had been engaging in secret negotiations with the Iranians via Oman acting as intermediaries for years before any talk of a deal reached the media.
Sanctions? Iran had been under crippling sanctions since their revolution, and they had been stacking up against them over the last 35 years or so. Don't fall for that nonsense, the most important factor in reaching a deal with Iran was diplomacy. You think sanctions were crucial? Then take a look at North Korea, they performed their first H-bomb and 4th nuclear test a few weeks ago.Throughout the negotiations for the deal, the threat of new sanctions was the only thing that kept hindering the process.
You have to consider that the majority of Iranian people do not share the paranoia of their fundamentalist leaders, but introducing new and tougher sanctions just made it easier for the conservatives to push their agenda as sanctions hit people the worst and usually barely touch the establishment.

[Dresta]

^Mad as hell.

Hilldawg was the one who put together the International sanctions agreements, including convincing adversaries like Russia and China to go along, that led Iran to halt its program and come to the negotiating table.

Clinton and her subordinates had been engaging in secret negotiations with the Iranians via Oman acting as intermediaries for years before any talk of a deal reached the media.
No, it'd just be good if you didn't talk out of your arse for once. We've seen how much you know and understand about foreign policy: you've demonstrated your bone-headed ignorance repeatedly:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12175276&postcount=42

Now f*ck off.

[FillJackson]

Sanctions? Iran had been under crippling sanctions since their revolution, and they had been stacking up against them over the last 35 years or so. Don't fall for that nonsense, the most important factor in reaching a deal with Iran was diplomacy. You think sanctions were crucial? Then take a look at North Korea, they performed their first H-bomb and 4th nuclear test a few weeks ago.Throughout the negotiations for the deal, the threat of new sanctions was the only thing that kept hindering the process.
You have to consider that the majority of Iranian people do not share the paranoia of their fundamentalist leaders, but introducing new and tougher sanctions just made it easier for the conservatives to push their agenda as sanctions hit people the worst and usually barely touch the establishment.
This post is misinformed.

North Korea is not Iran by a long, long shot. The average Iranian is much more prosperous than a North Korean, has much better access to information and more relations with the outside world.

Iran was not under "crippling sanctions" for 35 years. They were under US sanctions. But they were free to trade with the rest of the world. Sanctions became crippling in about 2012.

UN Sanctions against Iran related to the their nuclear program began in 2006. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1696) These sanctions were increased several times, including a big one in 2010 that froze the assets of the Revoluntionary Guard and the state owned shipping company. So these sanctions directly targeted the Iranian Establishment.

Then in 2012, the pressure was turned way up. The European Union agreed to freeze the assets of Iran's central bank and to an oil embargo. And then this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran#Non-UN-mandated_sanctions_against_Iran)
On 17 March 2012, all Iranian banks identified as institutions in breach of EU sanctions were disconnected from the SWIFT, the world's hub of electronic financial transactions. Also the EU sanctions covered shipping insurance which meant that even non European companies didn't want to ship Iranian oil

And the sanctions didn't matter?

In the first ten months of 2012, the Iranian currency, the rial, lost more than 80% of its exchange value. In a single day, on October 1, 2012, it dropped by 15%
Iran’s president admitted Tuesday that the American-led economic sanctions on the country were partly to blame for a breathtaking 40 percent fall in value of the Iranian currency, the rial, over the past week. He pleaded with Iranians not to exchange their money for dollars and other foreign currencies.And that hardliner President? He got voted out. The recent sanctions did not help conservatives, it undermined them.

Iran was on the brink of an extraordinary political transformation on Saturday night after the moderate cleric Hassan Rouhani sensationally secured enough votes to succeed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Rouhani's victory delighted reformers who have been desperate for a return to the forefront of politics after eight acrimonious years under Ahmadinejad.

It will also lift the spirit of a nation suffering from its worst financial crisis for at least two decades as a result of the sanctions imposed by western powers in the dispute over its nuclear programme.

Rouhani, who favours a policy of political openness, as well as re-establishing relations with the west, is likely to soothe international tension. He has been described by western officials as an "experienced diplomat and politician" and "fair to deal with".

Rouhani, a PhD graduate from Glasgow Caledonian University and a former nuclear negotiator, has pledged to find a way out of the current stalemate over Iran's nuclear programme, which is the cause of the sanctions crushing the economy.

.....

The Iranian currency, the rial, recovered in value against the dollar by at least 6% on Saturday. Later on Saturday night, Rouhani issued a statement on television, saying "a new season of solidarity" had begun following a result that brought "rationality and moderation" as well as "peace, stability and hop

[FillJackson]

Another thing that is overlooked is sanctions ARE diplomacy.

You have to convince other countries it is in their interest to turn down money they would make trading with Iran.

It took a year and a half to get the 2010 sanctions agreed to.

[DonDadda59]

No, it'd just be good if you didn't talk out of your arse for once. We've seen how much you know and understand about foreign policy: you've demonstrated your bone-headed ignorance repeatedly:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12175276&postcount=42

Now f*ck off.

^Furious. :mad:

May 2010: 'Hillary at the Buzzer' (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703957904575252600443502256) (Hilldawg brings China and Russia into the Iran sanctions fold)

Hillary Clinton Opened Door to Key U.S. Shift toward Iran Nuclear Deal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-backed-key-u-s-shift-toward-iran-nuclear-deal-1441753099)


Clinton explained her role in the negotiations in her memoir, "Hard Choices." She wrote that she began back-channel talks with Iran through the sultan of Oman, who had helped free American hikers imprisoned on espionage charges and suggested the nuclear talks.

She then had Sullivan, a top aide at the State Department, play a central role in getting the negotiations off the ground -- flying to Oman, meeting with Iranians and eventually leading to a September 2013 phone call in which Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani agreed to formally pursue the negotiations.

Hillary Clinton's State Department Legacy Tied to Iran Deal (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/politics/hillary-clinton-iran-nuclear-deal/)


Sullivan first became involved in 2012, participating in secret face-to-face meetings with Iranian officials in Oman. After a few months, a delegation formed to carry out more secret meetings to create an interim deal. This ultimately led to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Sullivan does not have any delusions that the deal is enough on its own. It is odd to hear a political figure deliberately downplaying arguably his crowning achievement, but with characteristic modesty he tells me, “It is not enough just to say, ‘Okay, we’ve got the deal.’ The deal needs to be enforced directly, aggressively and vigilantly and embedded in a broader strategy that pushes back against Iran.”

He adds that Clinton will be an excellent future negotiator, citing her track record on Iran: “She is exactly the kind of person who can rally the world to ensure that Iran complies with the deal.” Once again, he steered the conversation toward Clinton’s presidential abilities so organically I didn’t notice the plug until I was reviewing my recordings.

The Sitdown: Exclusive with Jake Sullivan, Hillary Clinton's Top Foreign Policy Advisor (http://thepolitic.org/the-negotiator/)


In 2011, U.S. officials sat down with an Iranian team in Muscat with the modest aim of exploring whether bilateral talks were even possible.

By early this year, sanctions on Iran's oil industry, financial sector and banking were causing increasing pain. For the first time, the leaders in Tehran, including supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, appeared interested in pursuing a deal with the West.

US-Iran Thaw Began with Months of Secret Meetings (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/24/world/la-fg-1125-iran-tic-toc-20131125)



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/16/50/1f/16501f6cedeab9c2d0b956c8139516d3.gif

[dunksby]

This post is misinformed.

North Korea is not Iran by a long, long shot. The average Iranian is much more prosperous than a North Korean, has much better access to information and more relations with the outside world.

Iran was not under "crippling sanctions" for 35 years. They were under US sanctions. But they were free to trade with the rest of the world. Sanctions became crippling in about 2012.

UN Sanctions against Iran related to the their nuclear program began in 2006. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1696) These sanctions were increased several times, including a big one in 2010 that froze the assets of the Revoluntionary Guard and the state owned shipping company. So these sanctions directly targeted the Iranian Establishment.

Then in 2012, the pressure was turned way up. The European Union agreed to freeze the assets of Iran's central bank and to an oil embargo. And then this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran#Non-UN-mandated_sanctions_against_Iran) Also the EU sanctions covered shipping insurance which meant that even non European companies didn't want to ship Iranian oil

And the sanctions didn't matter?
And that hardliner President? He got voted out. The recent sanctions did not help conservatives, it undermined them.
Your post just makes my point, new sanctions by Hillary didn't make the deal, the deal was made because both parties were amenable to it, it was diplomacy that made the deal possible. If push came to shove, the conservatives in Iran would just stop the negotiations and go back to their usual business.
Also, European countries were not happy with prolonging the sanctions against Iran, neither would, Russia, China and countries like Japan who were one of Iran's biggest oil customers be content to keep the embargo going. You take the fact that everybody has the same goals and mentality as the US for granted, but one important reason that got this deal done was that it was between Iran and 6 world powers and not just the US.
Hillary's foreign policy is dangerous and you are supporting something that doesn't work in the long run, thinking crippling sanctions that mess up the civilians lives is going to win them over is naive and or sadistic. Add to that, the fact that Iran had found numerous ways to get around the sanctions and focused on self-sufficiency unlike most countries in the region, just turned sanctions into a great weapon for the fundamentalists to spread their paranoia and fear.
Now with the sanctions being lifted and the west showing good will, the people of Iran have responded by voting in moderates and reformists into parliament to give more power and influence to the president. I couldn't fathom any type of compromise or deal being possible with Hillary Clinton in place.

[Dresta]

^Furious. :mad:

May 2010: 'Hillary at the Buzzer' (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703957904575252600443502256) (Hilldawg brings China and Russia into the Iran sanctions fold)

Hillary Clinton Opened Door to Key U.S. Shift toward Iran Nuclear Deal (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-backed-key-u-s-shift-toward-iran-nuclear-deal-1441753099)


Clinton explained her role in the negotiations in her memoir, "Hard Choices." She wrote that she began back-channel talks with Iran through the sultan of Oman, who had helped free American hikers imprisoned on espionage charges and suggested the nuclear talks.

She then had Sullivan, a top aide at the State Department, play a central role in getting the negotiations off the ground -- flying to Oman, meeting with Iranians and eventually leading to a September 2013 phone call in which Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani agreed to formally pursue the negotiations.

Hillary Clinton's State Department Legacy Tied to Iran Deal (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/politics/hillary-clinton-iran-nuclear-deal/)


Sullivan first became involved in 2012, participating in secret face-to-face meetings with Iranian officials in Oman. After a few months, a delegation formed to carry out more secret meetings to create an interim deal. This ultimately led to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Sullivan does not have any delusions that the deal is enough on its own. It is odd to hear a political figure deliberately downplaying arguably his crowning achievement, but with characteristic modesty he tells me, “It is not enough just to say, ‘Okay, we’ve got the deal.’ The deal needs to be enforced directly, aggressively and vigilantly and embedded in a broader strategy that pushes back against Iran.”

He adds that Clinton will be an excellent future negotiator, citing her track record on Iran: “She is exactly the kind of person who can rally the world to ensure that Iran complies with the deal.” Once again, he steered the conversation toward Clinton’s presidential abilities so organically I didn’t notice the plug until I was reviewing my recordings.

The Sitdown: Exclusive with Jake Sullivan, Hillary Clinton's Top Foreign Policy Advisor (http://thepolitic.org/the-negotiator/)


In 2011, U.S. officials sat down with an Iranian team in Muscat with the modest aim of exploring whether bilateral talks were even possible.

By early this year, sanctions on Iran's oil industry, financial sector and banking were causing increasing pain. For the first time, the leaders in Tehran, including supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, appeared interested in pursuing a deal with the West.

US-Iran Thaw Began with Months of Secret Meetings (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/24/world/la-fg-1125-iran-tic-toc-20131125)



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/16/50/1f/16501f6cedeab9c2d0b956c8139516d3.gif
*skips over months of incorrect assessments regarding Syria*

*expects me to bother debating any other issue with his dumb ass, while quoting from the same sources (CNN, WSJ, etc.) that led him to such an incredibly wrong conclusion last time*

Just f*ck off dude: i can't take your bullshit remotely seriously.

[DonDadda59]

*skips over months of incorrect assessments regarding Syria*

*expects me to bother debating any other issue with his dumb ass*

Just f*ck off dude: i can't take your bullshit remotely seriously.

http://i64.tinypic.com/21tws4.jpg

[ALBballer]

I'm not a fan of Bernie's plans but at the same time it would of been refreshing to see someone with his views get elected. Same libs frantically hate on Trump but vote for the spawn of Satan in Clinton.

:hammerhead:

Oh wellz atleast we got another social notch under the belt for Amurica. First Female president. Right liberals? That is the reason why we are voting her in?

[FillJackson]

Your post just makes my point, new sanctions by Hillary didn't make the deal, the deal was made because both parties were amenable to it, it was diplomacy that made the deal possible. If push came to shove, the conservatives in Iran would just stop the negotiations and go back to their usual business. In no way, does my post support your point. And "new sanctions by Hilliary" is a meaningless phrase.

Diplomacy became possible ONLY because of the sanctions which were in and of themselves a result of long-standing diplomatic efforts.
The top conservative in Iran and the guy who ultimately had approval supported the negotiations because of the effect of the sanctions.
Iran's Supreme Leader Supports Nuclear Talks (http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2013/11/20/ayatollah-nuclear-talks)
Also, European countries were not happy with prolonging the sanctions against Iran, neither would, Russia, China and countries like Japan who were one of Iran's biggest oil customers be content to keep the embargo going. You take the fact that everybody has the same goals and mentality as the US for granted, but one important reason that got this deal done was that it was between Iran and 6 world powers and not just the US.at the end of a long process led by the US. The US absolutely was absolutely in the lead in getting the other countries on board with sanctions in the first place and the State Department was right in front of the US effort to persuade other countries to bring meaningful santions. There only reason there was a deal to be had at all was because sanctions brought Iran to the table as the Supreme Leader of Iran admitted.

We negotiated so that the sanctions framework will be eliminated and that sanctions in general will be lifted.

The only reason there were stepped up sanctions that led to these negotiations was that the US pushed for them. Clinton was insitutionally and personally involved in that effort. Both Russia and China could have vetoed UN sanctions, but Russia would only veto if China was also going to veto. So the key was to get China on board. Clinton was personally involved with that and she personally got China's to "Yes" right before the UN vote (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/us/politics/unfinished-business-complicates-clintons-diplomatic-legacy.html?_r=0). [QUOTE]In June 2010, the day before the United Nations voted on strict new sanctions against Iran, Mrs. Clinton invited China

[Shade8780]

meh

trump is best for business tbh

[dunksby]

In no way, does my post support your point. And "new sanctions by Hilliary" is a meaningless phrase.

Diplomacy became possible ONLY because of the sanctions which were in and of themselves a result of long-standing diplomatic efforts.
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That is the dangerous mentality that I keep mentioning, thinking that sanctions and brute force is the best option, diplomacy became possible when the US decided to do it, instead of just adding more sanctions to the mix. Hillary is not a diplomacy first figure and that's what I'm getting at. You are supporting the female Democrat equivalent of Bush to put it in very basic terms. I stand by my initial position, no deal would be possible with Hillary in place, no way.

[FillJackson]

That is the dangerous mentality that I keep mentioning, thinking that sanctions and brute force is the best option, diplomacy became possible when the US decided to do it, instead of just adding more sanctions to the mix. Hillary is not a diplomacy first figure and that's what I'm getting at. You are supporting the female Democrat equivalent of Bush to put it in very basic terms. I stand by my initial position, no deal would be possible with Hillary in place, no way.
The deal that Hillary worked very hard and very effectively for. The deal where Hillary worked diplomatically with other countries in recognition of international norms and shared interests to reign in a pariah state. The "dangerous mentality" that helped avert a nuclear arms race in the Mideast or a Israeli first strike. No way, no way at all. She's just like Bush. I see that misinformation is not really the problem is it.

Diplomacy just happened. The deal just happened. Russia and China just agreed. Iran just agreed. And we had to do was wave our wand and POOF! every thing just fell into place.

[dunksby]

The deal that Hillary worked very hard and very effectively for. The deal where Hillary worked diplomatically with other countries in recognition of international norms and shared interests to reign in a pariah state. The "dangerous mentality" that helped avert a nuclear arms race in the Mideast or a Israeli first strike. No way, no way at all. She's just like Bush. I see that misinformation is not really the problem is it.

Diplomacy just happened. The deal just happened. Russia and China just agreed. Iran just agreed. And we had to do was wave our wand and POOF! every thing just fell into place.
While you are giving me repetitive talking points retrospectively, I was following the negotiations since they started, Hillary Clinton had no hand in it other than being a hindrance in getting the Iranians to sit on the negotiating table. You want to give credit to someone for the deal? It should be the 3+3, and especially Obama and his negotiating team. It's funny that in trying to make fun of my argument, you are actually make fun of yourself, you are the one who keeps bringing up sanctions as the reason for the deal to happen, you ignore 18 months of intense negotiations and crucial moments were the deal was on the brink of failing, you have no idea how this deal happened, you just want to champion your candidate.

[Nick Young]

I told you all this would happen.

[Nanners]

While you are giving me repetitive talking points retrospectively, I was following the negotiations since they started, Hillary Clinton had no hand in it other than being a hindrance in getting the Iranians to sit on the negotiating table. You want to give credit to someone for the deal? It should be the 3+3, and especially Obama and his negotiating team. It's funny that in trying to make fun of my argument, you are actually make fun of yourself, you are the one who keeps bringing up sanctions as the reason for the deal to happen, you ignore 18 months of intense negotiations and crucial moments were the deal was on the brink of failing, you have no idea how this deal happened, you just want to champion your candidate.

classic kevin nyc posting strategy on display in this thread :oldlol:

[Riks]

Boo!

[Nick Young]

meh

trump is best for business tbh
http://www.nevprobusinesssolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/best-for-business.png

[brownmamba00]

The deal that Hillary worked very hard and very effectively for. The deal where Hillary worked diplomatically with other countries in recognition of international norms and shared interests to reign in a pariah state. The "dangerous mentality" that helped avert a nuclear arms race in the Mideast or a Israeli first strike. No way, no way at all. She's just like Bush. I see that misinformation is not really the problem is it.

Diplomacy just happened. The deal just happened. Russia and China just agreed. Iran just agreed. And we had to do was wave our wand and POOF! every thing just fell into place.
lol hillary didn't do shit and like dunksby pointed out she was actually a hindrance for the deal to go through.

Shit I'd rather have Trump as Pres then that old bitch hillary

[Im Still Ballin]

The closest thing to Bernie is Trump. So jump on board.

[DukeDelonte13]

First Lady Bill Clinton on deck