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navy
02-28-2016, 04:57 AM
Dude was literally not born in the United States. It's not like Obama where it was up in the air(not really) and people were demanding a birth certificate. He was not born in the United States.

Such blatant flip flopping and bias is exactly what is wrong with America today.

What's funny is that if this went to the supreme court conservative judges would probably claim Cruz is eligible but those same justices would have claimed Obama wasnt if it had made it that far.

Kaisch is the only reasonable answer.

Riks
02-28-2016, 05:15 AM
It was never really about where Obama was from. It was about them not liking him and desperately clinging onto something to attack him with.

Cactus-Sack
02-28-2016, 05:27 AM
Political partisans are inconsistent, colour me surprised


Love the part where you pretend to know what SCOTUS judges would do in a hypothetical situation.



Pathetic

navy
02-28-2016, 05:30 AM
Political partisans are inconsistent, colour me surprised


Love the part where you pretend to know what SCOTUS judges would do in a hypothetical situation.



Pathetic
Judges are political partisans. Been known. :confusedshrug:

NumberSix
02-28-2016, 02:59 PM
OP is right. Ted Cruz himself said in 2012 that Obama isn't eligible.

Dresta
02-28-2016, 03:14 PM
The birther thing was always patently idiotic: twas just a good way to rile up the rabble.

NumberSix
02-28-2016, 03:29 PM
The birther thing was always patently idiotic: twas just a good way to rile up the rabble.
It actually wasn't though. When you look at laws and opinions from the time of what constituted being a "natural born citizen", none of them include being the child of a non citizen father.

And it's very clearly not just a matter of being born on the land. For the first 100 years of the united states being a country, plenty of people born on the land were not entitled to any citizenship at all, let alone "natural born citizen" status.

The constitution makes it clear that there is a difference between a "citizen" and a "natural born citizen" status and merely being born on the land didn't grant you either until the 14th amendment granted "citizen" status to those born on the land which as discussed is something different from "natural born citizen" status.

longtime lurker
02-28-2016, 05:07 PM
Easy. Republicans are short sighted hypocrites and complete morons.

dkmwise
02-28-2016, 06:12 PM
Obviously, they are all hypocrites, both parties. Just look at whats going on now with the supreme court nomination and how both parties took the exact opposite stand back in 2006.

One difference is you don't see the liberal media calling everyone a racist who is saying this now about Cruz.

FillJackson
02-28-2016, 06:13 PM
Dude was literally not born in the United States. It's not like Obama where it was up in the air(not really)

When was it "up in the air?" It was pretty definitely settled in 2008.

yobore
02-28-2016, 06:16 PM
The constitution makes it clear that there is a difference between a "citizen" and a "natural born citizen" status and merely being born on the land didn't grant you either until the 14th amendment granted "citizen" status to those born on the land which as discussed is something different from "natural born citizen" status.
The constitution doesn't say what a natural born citizen is, I have no idea why people would interpret it to be "born on the land". The obvious answer to me would be anyone who was born a US citizen (anyone who didn't have to be naturalized). Cruz and the Obama in the universe where he was born in Kenya are both in the clear.