Depressing Kyrie Irving stat

[Dr. Ice]

Kyrie Irving only has 18 double-doubles for his ENTIRE CAREER.

Remember when people thought he was better than john wall?

[SexSymbol]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

[IllegalD]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

So how come Wall has been able to carry his team to the playoffs as the go to guy while Kyrie needed LeBron to come over and wipe his ass for him and save him from the lottery once again? :confusedshrug:

[SexSymbol]

So how come Wall has been able to carry his team to the playoffs as the go to guy while Kyrie needed LeBron to come over and wipe his ass for him and save him from the lottery once again? :confusedshrug:
Wall would welcome LeBron with open arms. Shit, he would bend down on all fours if it mean bron was coming to town.
Wall had a considerably better team than Irving had on his own.

[Cocaine80s]

So how come Wall has been able to carry his team to the playoffs as the go to guy while Kyrie needed LeBron to come over and wipe his ass for him and save him from the lottery once again? :confusedshrug:
Please dont even compare their teams pre-Lebron you ****ing tard

[Milbuck]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall
Lmfao

Wall just wiped his ass with a Lebron-less Kyrie led Cavs with 21/7/13. Kyrie as usual got his numbers at the expense of making anyone around him better, got his pretty 28 points with a blistering -22.

If it wasn't for Lebron coming back to Cleveland and forcing a trade for Love, Kyrie would still leading Cleveland to another #1 pick.

[ShawkFactory]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall
No, he isnt

[Milbuck]

Another tweet from today's game...


Michael Lee ✔‎@MrMichaelLee

At halftime, Kyrie Irving is 6 asts from his 19th career point-assist double double. John Wall is 3 assists shy of 34th double double - this season

1:14 PM - 28 Feb 2016

[navy]

Kyrie doesnt pass. Its astonishing.

[BasedTom]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall
http://i.snag.gy/RFnBb.jpg

[nathanjizzle]

So how come Wall has been able to carry his team to the playoffs as the go to guy while Kyrie needed LeBron to come over and wipe his ass for him and save him from the lottery once again? :confusedshrug:

when? look at him now, hes producing as much as he ever has and his team sucks. kyrie is better no doubt.

[Legends66NBA7]

Irving vs Lillard vs Wall vs Lowry vs Conley


How would rank them this season ?

[Kobe_6/8]

Irving vs Lillard vs Wall vs Lowry vs Conley


How would rank them this season ?

Lowry
Lillard
Wall
Irving
Conley

[Smoke117]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

...no he isn't. I'd take Wall any day of the week over Irving if I was starting a team.

[navy]

Irving vs Lillard vs Wall vs Lowry vs Conley


How would rank them this season ?
I think people are being to hard on Irving cause of the Cavs recent losses. Remember at the beginning of the season he was returning from injury. So incomplete on him.

Lillard is also on a tear so im sure he will be temporarily inflated.

Anyways, PER Rankings
Kyle Lowry
Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving
John Wall

+/- Statisics
Kyle Lowry
John Wall
Damien Lillard
Kyrie Irving

My rankings eye test
Lowry
Lillard
Wall
Irving (injury), but I think he's better in the long run

[moongaze]

Smh. Kyrie is the most underrated and unappreciated player in the NBA . people on here were still ranking him below lillard after he dropped 55 on Portland and had a better shooting year and numbers

People just love to discredit him.

[NBASTATMAN]

WOW .. Irving is a very talented scorer but he doesn't make anyone better and he has lost most of the battles with the top pt guards this season. But he did have surgery and that has hurt him.. He is perfect playing along side Lebron.. But as today showed you the Cavs suck without Lebron...


ANYONE KNOW THE CAVS RECORD WITH LEBRON THE LAST TWO SEASONS?

[raprap]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall
Another gem from this idiot :roll:

[BigMacAttack]

Kyrie is just a flashy ballhog. Very talented but he aint bout that life.

[BigMacAttack]

Smh. Kyrie is the most underrated and unappreciated player in the NBA . people on here were still ranking him below lillard after he dropped 55 on Portland and had a better shooting year and numbers

People just love to discredit him.

Lillard is leading a shit team to the playoffs in the west. I would take him over Kyrie comfortably.

[moongaze]

They obviously can't be shit if they're a playoff contender
Kyries second leading scorer on his cavs teams was Dion waiters. Let that sink in for a moment. I'll give lillard the nod this year over post surgery kyrie but not last year and career wise .

Plus its not that kyrie is a ball Hog he's just more of a scoring and penetrating one similar to a prime Tony Parker
And if you look at parker and Irving's assist numbers through the years they are similar yet no one calls tony a ball hog and he's been the point guard for one of the best passing teams and efficient offenses for years. Im not sure why people would hate on a guy that brings as much excitement and showmanship for viewers as kyrie does.

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Wow @ this thread.

[BigMacAttack]

They obviously can't be shit if they're a playoff contender
Kyries second leading scorer on his cavs teams was Dion waiters. Let that sink in for a moment. I'll give lillard the nod this year over post surgery kyrie but not last year and career wise .

Plus its not that kyrie is a ball Hog he's just more of a scoring and penetrating one similar to a prime Tony Parker
And if you look at parker and Irving's assist numbers through the years they are similar yet no one calls tony a ball hog and he's been the point guard for one of the best passing teams and efficient offenses for years. Im not sure why people would hate on a guy that brings as much excitement and showmanship for viewers as kyrie does.

He is a hog bruh. Its about more than just his assist numbers, forget the boxscore and watch the games. The guy is on a good team now and he regularly goes 1v2 or 1v3 or worse when he has teammates with a much better shot available.

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Comparing the situations of John Wall and Kyrie Irving would be the very first place to start.

Walls' team is/was built around him....(big men ready to catch the drop off pass from Walls' penetration and finish around the rim + TRUE PG OF THE TEAM)



Kyries' team is built around Lebron....(SF's capable of making jumpshots with the type of bigs that are only obliged to rebounding + demoted to SG of the Cavs due to Bron's "point forward" position)

[STATUTORY]

Lebron ruined him

[Collie]

For a "scorer", Kyrie isn't even that much better than guys like Wall, if at all.

Nike really dropped the ball with Kyrie as one of their new faces. Not saying he's bad, but 20-4-5 averages with average defense doesn't really scream "face of the league" to me when guys like Kawhi don't even have their own shoe yet.

[Milbuck]

Comparing the situations of John Wall and Kyrie Irving would be the very first place to start.

Walls' team is/was built around him....(big men ready to catch the drop off pass from Walls' penetration and finish around the rim + TRUE PG OF THE TEAM)



Kyries' team is built around Lebron....(SF's capable of making jumpshots with the type of bigs that are only obliged to rebounding + demoted to SG of the Cavs due to Bron's "point forward" position)

The Wizards are "built around" Wall only in that they have extremely mediocre talent with no other reliable playmakers, and therefore rely on him to run everything.

The Cavs are built around Lebron as a point forward because his ability to run an offense absolutely shits on Kyrie. The Cavs regularly turn into a dumpster fire heroball show when Lebron is out. If you're relying on Kyrie to run your team as a point guard, your team is not going to be very good.

Kyrie has literally the perfect team to hide his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. He gets to score in bunches while an actual offense-runner in Lebron tackles the vast majority of playmaking responsibilities. He has very good to great perimeter defenders in Delly, JR, Shump to take on the bulk of defensive responsibility. Literally all Kyrie has to do is score without totally breaking the offense, occasionally playmake, and not be a total liability defensively...which even that he can't do at a winning level right now.

Wall has to be his team's leading scorer, has to run literally everything offensively as the playmaker/ball handler, has to do be a terrific perimeter defender, and has to control the tempo/flow of the game every second. He doesn't have anyone to hide his ass in any facet of the game like Kyrie does. Try to imagine how the Wizards would look if Wall had Durant to help with Wall's weaknesses as a pure scorer the way Kyrie has Lebron to hide his weaknesses as a true PG. Then maybe replace Beal with a star PF like LMA.

[coin24]

For a "scorer", Kyrie isn't even that much better than guys like Wall, if at all.

Nike really dropped the ball with Kyrie as one of their new faces. Not saying he's bad, but 20-4-5 averages with average defense doesn't really scream "face of the league" to me when guys like Kawhi don't even have their own shoe yet.


Because it would be near impossible to market kawhi..

Kyrie is all flash uncle drew etc and all the casual bandwagon tards tune in to watch cavs games..

[Bosnian Sajo]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

I don't consider him better than Wall. He has better handles than Wall, that's it. Wall is a better scorer, passer defender, and leader. Which isn't a bad thing either, it's not bad to be right behind someone as good as John Wall, top 2 pg's in the East.

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The Wizards are "built around" Wall only in that they have extremely mediocre talent with no other reliable playmakers, and therefore rely on him to run everything.

The Cavs are built around Lebron as a point forward because his ability to run an offense absolutely shits on Kyrie. The Cavs regularly turn into a dumpster fire heroball show when Lebron is out. If you're relying on Kyrie to run your team as a point guard, your team is not going to be very good.

Kyrie has literally the perfect team to hide his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. He gets to score in bunches while an actual offense-runner in Lebron tackles the vast majority of playmaking responsibilities. He has very good to great perimeter defenders in Delly, JR, Shump to take on the bulk of defensive responsibility. Literally all Kyrie has to do is score without totally breaking the offense, occasionally playmake, and not be a total liability defensively...which even that he can't do at a winning level right now.

Wall has to be his team's leading scorer, has to run literally everything offensively as the playmaker/ball handler, has to do be a terrific perimeter defender, and has to control the tempo/flow of the game every second. He doesn't have anyone to hide his ass in any facet of the game like Kyrie does. Try to imagine how the Wizards would look if Wall had Durant to help with Wall's weaknesses as a pure scorer the way Kyrie has Lebron to hide his weaknesses as a true PG. Then maybe replace Beal with a star PF like LMA.

Gortat is mediocre? The same Gortat that was in the finals in 2009? That dude can play. Fall back

[Milbuck]

Gortat is mediocre? The same Gortat that was in the finals in 2009? That dude can play. Fall back
The Wizards cast as a whole absolutely is mediocre. And Gortat is nothing special at all, he's a pretty good player but that's it. The other guy has Lebron freaking James and Kevin Love on his team. You're talking up Marcin Gortat when the other guy has a top 10 player all time and an all-star starter caliber big on his team.

edit: also lmao at the 09 finals mention. Gortat played 11 minutes a game and averaged a monstrous 3 ppg in the playoffs and finals that year.

[moongaze]

I don't consider him better than Wall. He has better handles than Wall, that's it. Wall is a better scorer, passer defender, and leader. Which isn't a bad thing either, it's not bad to be right behind someone as good as John Wall, top 2 pg's in the East.


:facepalm wall is the better scorer? He shoots a lower three point percentage and field goal percentage for career. This shows he's less efficient. He also averages less a game per career and kyries two 50 point games, one against the defending champs is better than anything wall has done.

[Cocaine80s]

Milbuck got dammit why do you argue/defend so many teams/players

Always lookin for trouble and shit

[G.U.S.]

Irving is one of if not the worst playmaking/distributing PG's in the league.

He is a score-first point guard that still doesn't have the instinct to get his teammates the ball at their best spots.

[G.U.S.]

[ESPN Stats] In the 100 mins Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love have played without LeBron this season, they have a net efficiency of -14.9. With LeBron? +10.0

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/704092518498050048?s=09


Lebron GOAT leader + teammate

[DukeDelonte13]

Kyrie isn't a playmaker. It just isn't in his basketball DNA.

[aj1987]

Lebron ruined him
Kyrie in '14 - 20.8 PPG 3.6 RPG 6.1 APG 1.5 SPG 0.3 BPG 2.7 TOV/G @ 53.3% TS
Kyrie in '15 - 21.7 PPG 3.2 RPG 5.2 APG 1.5 SPG 0.3 BPG 2.5 TOV/G @ 58.3% TS

Yeah, LeBron ruined him though. More like Kobe forced Nash and Malone into retirement, turned Dwight into a scrub, and turned Shaq from the MDE to a second option.

inb4 butthurt 12be stans.

[theaussieguy]

Irving is one of if not the worst playmaking/distributing PG's in the league.

He is a score-first point guard that still doesn't have the instinct to get his teammates the ball at their best spots.


this, hes a good scorer but lacks any sort of playmaking skills.

[ShawkFactory]

Milbuck got dammit why do you argue/defend so many teams/players

Always lookin for trouble and shit
He's an objective fan of basketball and argues anyone who he believes is wrong on any subject.

It's what more people should be like on here.

[Meticode]

I'm not sure why this is a surprise for some people? Irving's never been known as a passing point guard and never has been. His court vision is mediocre then on top of that he's looking to ISO a lot versus passing the ball. So what do you really expect?

The most telling time was Tyronn Lue's first game as coach showing that when the Cavs make 1, 2, or 3 passes in a possession their field goal percentage goes up by a decent amount. And Irving almost dismissed the stat saying he wasn't going to change what he does.

To me overall as a player Wall is a better player than Irving. Wall is more athletic, plays better man-to-man defense, is a much willing and better passer and finishes equally around the rim just as good as Irving.

Irving is a better overall scorer inside to out, but he dribbles the ball too much at times and it seems to be a gift and a curse, but his defense is so atrocious at times it's almost like his offense doesn't matter, hence last night when the Wizards curb stomped the Cavs and Irving got his 28/6 and it was like it didn't even matter.

[Meticode]

Lebron ruined him
That's not true though. This year he's coming off a knee injury that took longer to heal than they thought. Last year with LeBron Irving has his most efficient season ever. Scoring for Irving with LeBron on the team has been historically more easy, it's just this year he's still finding his rhythm being out until mid-December.

[Done_And_Done]

I believe he's averaged less than 6 assists for the entirety of his career so the double-double stat translates. Kyrie has been coached to be a scorer since he was a pre-teen. It's what he knows. One of the most entertaining players in the game if you ask me. But the furthest thing from a pass-first point gaurd.

[ralph_i_el]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall
:coleman:

[FatComputerNerd]

I believe he's averaged less than 6 assists for the entirety of his career so the double-double stat translates. Kyrie has been coached to be a scorer since he was a pre-teen. It's what he knows. One of the most entertaining players in the game if you ask me. But the furthest thing from a pass-first point gaurd.

Yup.

It isn't that he's a bad passer. If asked to actually BE the PG he does (has shown it plenty of times) just fine.

He's just such a good scorer and shooter. That's what his MAIN strength is, and my guess is coach probably tells him to look for his...especially since we have one of the best passers of all time playing next to him as a sort of point-forward.

I always saw Kyrie as an AI type (skill-wise), only w/ an elite jump-shot.

Anyhow, he has clearly lost a bit of the quickness and explosiveness that he had pre-injury. All we can do is hope he gets it back.

[Frenetic]

kyrie only cares about one stat, ppg.

[StephHamann]

Depressing Bton stat:

2/6

[moongaze]

Do people consider Tony Parker to be a bad playmaker and distributer? His career assist numbers are nearly identical to kyries. The spurs have been one of the best passing teams for decades and have been the most efficient offense yet a guy with similar assist numbers as the so called worst playmaking pg has been running the show
Assist numbers don't tell the whole story