How do guns get in the hands of criminals????

[97 bulls]

Im all for citizens being able to carry firearms. I own on myself. But unfortunately, those firearms end up in the wrong hands all to often. How can we prevent this? And how do they get them in the first place?

[1987_Lakers]

You would be surprised how easy it is to get a gun illegally, especially if you live in a bad neighborhood. I remember growing up some guy who I've known since elementary school with and lived 1 block away from me use to sell a bunch of guns. Alot of people around me growing up had a gun.

[Draz]

Im all for citizens being able to carry firearms. I own on myself. But unfortunately, those firearms end up in the wrong hands all to often. How can we prevent this? And how do they get them in the first place?

You answered the question yourself. Citizens shouldn't be able to own firearms. It'll lead to regulating, and we already know how unregulated the gun laws are. A mentally ill person can acquire one. Majority of my friends own guns.

[FillJackson]

Im all for citizens being able to carry firearms. I own on myself. But unfortunately, those firearms end up in the wrong hands all to often. How can we prevent this? And how do they get them in the first place? Domestic gun trafficking.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2015/10/14/gunflow/8d9bca6ac81ec41d6392ceb55cb6dddaf4c6ee2d/gunflow-bigmap-1050.png

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html?_r=0

[dkmwise]

I follow Boston Police Department on Facebook and they always post a picture of a gun when they confiscate it from a criminal, usually they'll post one a few times a week. 90% of the time these are extremely old crappy guns that look like they spend 20 years at the bottom of a swamp or went through a dryer with a bunch of nails. These things are junk, and many times not even company names you would know of. So it seems the illegal guns on the street are probably a combination of illegal shipments of cheap guns from places like china and brazil, and people breaking into old people's apartments and stealing grandpa's gun that he bought in 1962.

I almost never see photos of guns that would have been purchased within the last 10 years at a gun shop or gun show.

[G.U.S.]

Texas

[Riks]

People purchase guns legally. Take of the serial number so it can't be traced back to them, and then it is sold on the black market. This keeps black market guns cheap. Stricter regulations on legal guns makes it so there are less guns in circulation, thus the supply and demand makes it so guns (including the black market guns) go up way in price. This keeps the number of guns in criminals' hands lower, including keeping guns out of the hands of petty criminals. Mafia and such with financing will always be able to afford the more expensive guns that are imported from other countries, but the mafia is rarely a threat to the average citizen.

[FillJackson]

People purchase guns legally. Take of the serial number so it can't be traced back to them, and then it is sold on the black market. This keeps black market guns cheap. Stricter regulations on legal guns makes it so there are less guns in circulation, thus the supply and demand makes it so guns (including the black market guns) go up way in price. This keeps the number of guns in criminals' hands lower, including keeping guns out of the hands of petty criminals. Mafia and such with financing will always be able to afford the more expensive guns that are imported from other countries, but the mafia is rarely a threat to the average citizen.

What you're describing there is actually an illegal "straw purchase" of a gun.

Also what keeps black market guns cheap?

[Riks]

What you're describing there is actually an illegal "straw purchase" of a gun.

Also what keeps black market guns cheap?
Right, and there are a lot of "straw purchases."

Do I really need to explain basic economics of supply and demand?

[DukeDelonte13]

gun shows.

[FillJackson]

Right, and there are a lot of "straw purchases."

Do I really need to explain basic economics of supply and demand?

If that's what you were attempting to say, it's not clear. At one point you say black market guns are cheap and another you say the prices go way up.

I understand that there are a lot of straw purchases, but a straw purchase is never legal.

[Riks]

If that's what you were attempting to say, it's not clear. At one point you say black market guns are cheap and another you say the prices go way up.

I understand that there are a lot of straw purchases, but a straw purchase is never legal.
Not sure how I could have made it any clearer. The current system has a lot of straw purchases because it is easy to do many straw purchases with limited regulations. If you limit the number of guns somebody can legally buy, they can only sell so many of those guns illegally to others (the straw purchases). This overall limits straw purchases, thus making the supply limited and the demand high, and the black market price goes up. Suddenly, there are less guns on the black market and only the people who have a lot of money can afford them. The people with a lot of money are also less likely to be desperate and rob people with their guns.


Think of the prohibition of alcohol. Banning alcohol did not get rid of black market alcohol. But the price of alcohol went way up because it was more limited. There are a couple of differences between guns and alcohol though that would drastically change how much there is though. With alcohol, average people could still secretly make them themselves (guns are harder to do this) and the price was never out of reach even while elevated, while a $5-10,000 gun would be out of reach for the poor desperate criminal and every time they have a couple thousand, they are better off using it for other life functions rather than to steal petty change from the wallets of civilians.

[NumberSix]

I remember hearing something unbelievable like 80% of illegal guns trace back to like 11 gun shops. Clearly something can be done but isn't for political reasons.

[pastis]

what are the US weapon law?

In Germany you have to make a firearm license (2 years), you have to be a sports marksman and proving that you are mentally stable and that you have a clean criminal record. You are only allowed to have 1 gun and no automatics of course. just pistols

[NumberSix]

what are the US weapon law?

In Germany you have to make a firearm license (2 years), you have to be a sports marksman and proving that you are mentally stable and that you have a clean criminal record. You are only allowed to have 1 gun and no automatics of course. just pistols
Germany's gun laws may be for the purpose of sports markmanship, but that's not the case in the United States. The right to bear arms in the United States is for the purpose of citizens being armed in the event that a citizen militia need to be formed.

[LBJ 23]

what are the US weapon law?

In Germany you have to make a firearm license (2 years), you have to be a sports marksman and proving that you are mentally stable and that you have a clean criminal record. You are only allowed to have 1 gun and no automatics of course. just pistols


Are hunters allowed to have a handgun in Germany?

[pastis]

Germany's gun laws may be for the purpose of sports markmanship, but that's not the case in the United States. The right to bear arms in the United States is for the purpose of citizens being armed in the event that a citizen militia need to be formed.

its obvious that germany and the US have different backgrounds (constitution) and pursue different aims with their weapon laws.

but are there any restrictions (even toug the right to bear arms is written in the constitution)? e.g. someone who was convicted for robbery - can he lose his constitutional right to have guns?

[pastis]

Are hunters allowed to have a handgun in Germany?

yes, hunters, sports marksman, police and sepcial security services

but the hunter licence is quite difficult (theoretical and practical parts) and it takes very long to get it

[NumberSix]

its obvious that germany and the US have different backgrounds (constitution) and pursue different aims with their weapon laws.

but are there any restrictions (even toug the right to bear arms is written in the constitution)? e.g. someone who was convicted for robbery - can he lose his constitutional right to have guns?
Yes, but I think that will eventually be ruled unconstitutional.

[dkmwise]

its obvious that germany and the US have different backgrounds (constitution) and pursue different aims with their weapon laws.

but are there any restrictions (even toug the right to bear arms is written in the constitution)? e.g. someone who was convicted for robbery - can he lose his constitutional right to have guns?

There are restrictions and in some states there are many many restrictions. Certain states have magazine capacity laws, outlaw certain types of firearms, regulate how you store your firearms. Some towns in certain states make you go through the chief of police just to apply to own any type of firearm and they can deny you without giving you any reason why.

[CelticBaller]

You answered the question yourself. Citizens shouldn't be able to own firearms. It'll lead to regulating, and we already know how unregulated the gun laws are. A mentally ill person can acquire one. Majority of my friends own guns.
dumb

[DukeDelonte13]

its obvious that germany and the US have different backgrounds (constitution) and pursue different aims with their weapon laws.

but are there any restrictions (even toug the right to bear arms is written in the constitution)? e.g. someone who was convicted for robbery - can he lose his constitutional right to have guns?


Yeah most felony convictions and a few misdemeanor convictions can theoretically prohibit someone from OWNING a gun, but at least in Ohio, any convicted felon or mental patient can waltz into a gun show and just buy one with zero hassle.

If some one who has been previously convicted of a crime that forbids ownership of a weapon gets busted with a weapon they get charged with a new felony and the weapon gets forfeited.

[UK2K]

In case you were wondering....

This is how:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U51E7tdzhaw

How many of those guys do you think has a CHL? Or care to ever get one? My guess is, none of them.

[UK2K]

If you have a criminal record in the US can you still legally purchase a gun?

Depends on the crime.


If so, could a person convicted of selling illegal firearms be legally allowed to purchase more from a licensed dealer?

If the buyer was not allowed to legally own a gun, and you sold it anyway, then you will ultimately be held responsible and could be charged.

Selling a gun to someone not legally allowed to own one, and being caught, would bar you from purchasing guns legally in the future.