62 Wilt at 60% or Curry for MVP this season?

[Marchesk]

Time travelling Wilt to today and adjusting his numbers for slower pace and less minutes, let's apply a 40% reduction across the board. His FG% would go up of course, but then that's offset by focus on 3pt shooting. So let's just say it cancels out. Assists can stay about the same.

30/15/2 with 4 blocks a game on 58% shooting. Let's say his team is a contender (50+ wins), like it was in 61/62, but not a great team, like the current Warriors.

Would Wilt make it a close race with those numbers?

[SouBeachTalents]

He might prevent Curry from being unanimous, but Curry would still beat him handily in the MVP voting

[LAZERUSS]

Time travelling Wilt to today and adjusting his numbers for slower pace and less minutes, let's apply a 40% reduction across the board. His FG% would go up of course, but then that's offset by focus on 3pt shooting. So let's just say it cancels out. Assists can stay about the same.

30/15/2 with 4 blocks a game on 58% shooting. Let's say his team is a contender (50+ wins), like it was in 61/62, but not a great team, like the current Warriors.

Would Wilt make it a close race with those numbers?

Wilt's '62 NBA averaged 118.8 ppg. Curry's '16 NBA is averaging 102.2 ppg. So a 40% decline in scoring is way too big a drop. And you are definitely right about Chamberlain's FG%. It would translate to a .594 in today's NBA.

Given all that, and a '62 Chamberlain would be averaging 43.4 ppg in '16. Of course, he would probably not play 48 mpg either. So let's reduce his mpg down to say, 42 mpg. An even 38 ppg.

38-15-4, and on a .593 FG%, and a TS% around .615.

[DMV2]

Even if Wilt wins in the regular season, he'll choke in playoffs as usual.

[LAZERUSS]

Even if Wilt wins in the regular season, he'll choke in playoffs as usual.

Yep. After all, he only averaged a 35-27 in the '62 playoffs. And single-handedly carried a roster, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited his rookie season, but now older and even worse...to the EDF's, where they lost a game seven, by two points, to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team. And did so with a 34-27 seven game series against Russell.

[senelcoolidge]

Wilt would just crush this era as well. Wilt had around a 15 ft jumper. So he could spread the floor as well since everything is so spaced out in today's era. He would also more than likely be the defensive player of the year.

[eeeeeebro]

show me a video to prove it

[theaussieguy]

wilt is the most overrated bum to ever play the game. Oh wow a 7 footer being able to drop a ball in the hoop over some 6'6 white guys. WOW SUCH TALENT.

[LAZERUSS]

show me a video to prove it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

[Sarcastic]

Even if Wilt wins in the regular season, he'll choke in playoffs as usual.

What does that have to do with a regular season award?

[LAZERUSS]

wilt is the most overrated bum to ever play the game. Oh wow a 7 footer being able to drop a ball in the hoop over some 6'6 white guys. WOW SUCH TALENT.

Give us a list of these "6'6 white guys" that Chamberlain faced.

The 6-5 1/2 Chuck Hayes did not play in the 60's my friend...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chuck-Hayes-110/

BTW, Hayes was a starting center for all 82 games of the '09-10 season.

Incidently...

Bill Russell was one the shortest centers Chamberlain battled...at nearly 6-10. Or the same height as Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond, and Dwight Howard.

[4 Inches]

Give us a list of these "6'6 white guys" that Chamberlain faced.

The 6-5 1/2 Chuck Hayes did not play in the 60's my friend...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chuck-Hayes-110/

BTW, Hayes was a starting center for all 82 games of the '09-10 season.

Incidently...

Bill Russell was one the shortest centers Chamberlain battled...at nearly 6-10. Or the same height as Demarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond, and Dwight Howard.
Damn Chuck looked good in college no homo
He got fat in the NBA

[Kawhi]

Yep. After all, he only averaged a 35-27 in the '62 playoffs. And single-handedly carried a roster, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited his rookie season, but now older and even worse...to the EDF's, where they lost a game seven, by two points, to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team. And did so with a 34-27 seven game series against Russell.

That season he played along Paul Arizin (Hall of Famer, 10 time All-Star), Tom Gola (Hall of Famer, 5 time All-Star), and Guy Rodgers (Hall of Famer, 4 time All-Star)? The series in which his scoring average dropped from 50 to 34? The game 7 in which he scored just 22 points on less than 50% shooting?

[JohnMax]

Lebron and Wilt would face off in the ECF to see who goes 2/7.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Even if Wilt wins in the regular season, he'll choke in playoffs as usual.
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[Kobe_6/8]

If it's a close call, they'll give it to the player on a 70+ win team.

[feyki]

16 Curry .

67 or 68 Wilt is more close comparison .

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Wilt's '62 NBA averaged 118.8 ppg. Curry's '16 NBA is averaging 102.2 ppg. So a 40% decline in scoring is way too big a drop. And you are definitely right about Chamberlain's FG%. It would translate to a .594 in today's NBA.

Given all that, and a '62 Chamberlain would be averaging 43.4 ppg in '16. Of course, he would probably not play 48 mpg either. So let's reduce his mpg down to say, 42 mpg. An even 38 ppg.

38-15-4, and on a .593 FG%, and a TS% around .615.

Honestly, at first I thought this was saying a "wilt at 60% vs current curry" which was gonna make me lose my shit lol.

I don't think it's fair to compare it just like that though, I think we have to consider how many minutes curry plays too, as in, when he plays more than 35 minutes, his averages are

(note, this is assuming all we are doing is comparing box score numbers)

In games where curry plays 35 minutes plus

34.85-5.85-7
On
50%-45.7%-91.5%

66.8% TS

In this span of time, he is averaging around 36.8 minutes a game (he is actually averaging less, I couldn't bother to count seconds so I rounded most of the minutes up)

And for what it's worth, curry is shooting 36/54 from 28-50 feet this year.

Now, there is definitely an arguement that the system helps curry, and it does, but it's doubtful that it's anything world breaking. He gets open threes, but a lot of these are because of his ability to pull-up from 3 (he hits like 45% iirc, which is an outlier) and him shooting from half court.

Also, he doesn't neccessarily get that many open threes. It's like a 2% difference between him and Lillard in terms of open threes/overall threes

[Psileas]

A possible record of 70+ wins would still give Curry the MVP, supposing Wilt "only" wins like 50 games and is expected to do so. Doesn't mean Wilt wouldn't still be the best player in the world (MVP=/=best player).

[Psileas]

Even if Wilt wins in the regular season, he'll choke in playoffs as usual.

Finals MVP at 35 vs 0/11 in his prime shows who the real choker was.

[LAZERUSS]

Honestly, at first I thought this was saying a "wilt at 60% vs current curry" which was gonna make me lose my shit lol.

I don't think it's fair to compare it just like that though, I think we have to consider how many minutes curry plays too, as in, when he plays more than 35 minutes, his averages are

(note, this is assuming all we are doing is comparing box score numbers)

In games where curry plays 35 minutes plus

34.85-5.85-7
On
50%-45.7%-91.5%

66.8% TS

In this span of time, he is averaging around 36.8 minutes a game (he is actually averaging less, I couldn't bother to count seconds so I rounded most of the minutes up)

And for what it's worth, curry is shooting 36/54 from 28-50 feet this year.

Now, there is definitely an arguement that the system helps curry, and it does, but it's doubtful that it's anything world breaking. He gets open threes, but a lot of these are because of his ability to pull-up from 3 (he hits like 45% iirc, which is an outlier) and him shooting from half court.

Also, he doesn't neccessarily get that many open threes. It's like a 2% difference between him and Lillard in terms of open threes/overall threes

Excellent post.

What Curry is doing is just staggering. I wasn't trying to diminish his accomplishments. Just posting that a '62 Wilt scoring would translate into a higher percentage than 60%.

[scm5]

How about looking at scoring from a Per36 perspective.

Per36, Wilt was putting up 37.4 PPG on 29 FGA and 13 FTA per game.

Per36, Curry is putting up 32.6 on 21 FGA and 6 FTA per game.

Wilt put up 5 ppg more on 8 FGA and 7 FTA per game which translates to roughly 11.5 possessions. Give Curry 11.5 more possessions at taking a shot or getting to the line and he's putting up something close to 47ppg. Even though I'm positive Curry would do better than 1 point per possession, let's just give him 1 point per possession for argument's sake because volume scoring is harder or whatever. Let's just say Curry would be putting up 44ppg.

44/6/7 vs 37/15/2

[Marchesk]

44/6/7 vs 37/15/2

And 4-5 blocks a game. Wilt would be the best shot blocker in the game today.

It is true that Wilt had a lot more possesions. The thing about Wilt is that he was able to play all those minutes without wearing down or getting hurt. And he was able to take that many shots, again without wearing down.

We don't know how Curry scales up beyond a few extra minutes over the course of a season. Literally nobody in the history of the game attempted what Wilt did in that season. Which was play every minute, Be responsible for 40% of the offense, led the league in rebounding, and block as many shots as he did.

And Wilt did this in a higher paced era with more running.

[Marchesk]

Also, put Wilt in the modern era on 36 minutes or less with less shots and he becomes way more efficient. We know that he could shoot 68% while still scoring 24 a game. Have him also focus more on defense like he did later in his career. In this era, there's more spacing. Wilt is going to have an easier time scoring.

A prime, efficient Wilt who combines scoring with a Bill Russell role and a bit more passing like he did in the second half of his career, and you have un unparalleled player.

You have Bill Walton plus Shaq plus Russell.

I will say this, though. Curry is kind of having a Wilt-like effect on offense in this modern era with that shooting range and efficiency. It's crazy.

[FKAri]

Curry wins MVP regardless unless Wilt is on a team that's also in contention for surpassing 72-10.

[LAZERUSS]

How about looking at scoring from a Per36 perspective.

Per36, Wilt was putting up 37.4 PPG on 29 FGA and 13 FTA per game.

Per36, Curry is putting up 32.6 on 21 FGA and 6 FTA per game.

Wilt put up 5 ppg more on 8 FGA and 7 FTA per game which translates to roughly 11.5 possessions. Give Curry 11.5 more possessions at taking a shot or getting to the line and he's putting up something close to 47ppg. Even though I'm positive Curry would do better than 1 point per possession, let's just give him 1 point per possession for argument's sake because volume scoring is harder or whatever. Let's just say Curry would be putting up 44ppg.

44/6/7 vs 37/15/2

It doesn't work that way, though. If you are penalizing Wilt for more possessions, then you have to also adjust his eFG% rates to 2016. His .506 eFG% would be nearly .600 (.594.) Wilt's 29 FGA would yield 17.4 FGM, or 34.8 ppg just on his FGAs.

Same with FTAs. How many times has Curry led the league in FTAs. Players like Shaq and Wilt are going to shoot FAR more FTAs, regardless of "pace" and "per/36."

And, of course, Wilt was/is the all-time leader in virtually every MPG category. He would certainly be playing considerably more than 36 minutes, and likely could push 42+ in today's era.

Curry has never approached those mpg averages in his entire NBA career.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Excellent post.

What Curry is doing is just staggering. I wasn't trying to diminish his accomplishments. Just posting that a '62 Wilt scoring would translate into a higher percentage than 60%.


Oh, I wasn't implying that u were lol.

[Asukal]

62 Wilt transported to today's game? Without the benefit of modern training? He'd choke harder than usual. I doubt he'd even get close to 30 ppg, he won't be playing against unskilled "stiffs" as jlauber called them. :oldlol: