Beno Udrih inexplicably agrees to buy-out; prepare for a major shitstorm [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 01:34 AM

OK, so...

Based on what I've heard from people in the know, league executives are livid about the Miami Heat somehow, someway getting Beno Udrih to agree to a buy-out while being out for the year and on a contract which ends following this season.

Here is the story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--heat-nearing-buyout-agreement-with-beno-udrih-174635481.html

Just so we're clear on the stakes, the difference between Udrih being on the roster and agreeing to a buy-out will be the difference between the Heat being in the repeater tax and not... which is absolutely huge.

And, since Udrih could have just let his contract expire, there was absolutely no benefit under league guidelines to him agreeing to take less money.

That leads us to the somewhat obvious conclusion that the Heat have under-the-table dealings going on and that there is something Riley or another Heat executive has done to make this worth Udrih's while (or, ya know... someone in his family, etc).

I've seen a lot of shady stuff done over the years, but this might take the cake just in how brazen they are being. It's likely to lead to a league investigation and who knows where things will go from there.

Stay tuned. I expect this to blowup sometime tomorrow. ESPN had a short story about team executives being upset a few hours ago, but that is just the start.

Mr. Jabbar

03-01-2016, 01:36 AM

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Im Still Ballin

03-01-2016, 01:37 AM

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SwishSquared

03-01-2016, 01:38 AM

Lebronxrings

03-01-2016, 01:39 AM

Miami Cheat.

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 01:43 AM

Pincus reported that he gave up $90,000.00. Watch a team like Philly claim him off waivers to get themselves over the salary floor, which would help Miami sign others before March 6th (when they can sign people w/o luxury tax implications).

It's shady but the amount he gave up is not significant enough to lead to bad consequences. If they re-sign him this summer it'll look very sketchy, though.

Yeah, it would be wild if such a minimal amount of money (for NBA standards) is what ultimately and finally led to some action by the league on the Heat. And, while Udrih's sum wasn't substantially, the amount that they'll save with not being under repeater violation is enormous.

I'm telling you... this could be and likely will be a serious issue going forward.

FreezingTsmoove

03-01-2016, 01:50 AM

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SwishSquared

03-01-2016, 01:52 AM

Yeah, it would be wild if such a minimal amount of money (for NBA standards) is what ultimately and finally led to some action by the league on the Heat. And, while Udrih's sum wasn't substantially, the amount that they'll save with not being under repeater violation is enormous.

I'm telling you... this could be and likely will be a serious issue going forward.I wouldn't be surprised if some rule gets implemented this summer requiring independent counsel sorting through buyouts or something. What I meant in that last post was I don't think they'll lose a draft pick (a la Joe Smith), but maybe will get slapped with a fine.

Ducking the repeater tax is really smart on Miami's part, but I'm surprised that they didn't just deal Udrih at the deadline along with Birdman to Portland/Philly. Would have saved them $$$ and this trouble. Not like the Heat care too much about their second round picks anyway to sweeten the deal.

FKAri

03-01-2016, 01:55 AM

OP is very brave. The Edward S.n.o.w.d.e.n. of ISH

GrapeApe

03-01-2016, 02:02 AM

It was a savvy move and a wise business decision. Riley, Elisburg, and Arison didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

Dresta

03-01-2016, 02:06 AM

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Black and White

03-01-2016, 02:20 AM

Miami Cheat.

:biggums:

BlazerRed

03-01-2016, 02:22 AM

Silver going to go Iron Jew on Riley's ass.

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 02:26 AM

It was a savvy move and a wise business decision. Riley, Elisburg, and Arison didn't get to where they are by being stupid.
Yes, very smart move. For the Heat.

However, a move that made absolutely no sense for Udrih. Therein lies the problem. Unless, of course, someone can give an explanation for how this benefits him in any way, shape or form.

GrapeApe

03-01-2016, 03:12 AM

Yes, very smart move. For the Heat.

However, a move that made absolutely no sense for Udrih. Therein lies the problem. Unless, of course, someone can give an explanation for how this benefits him in any way, shape or form.

It was stated that Udrih wanted to help the Heat, and I'd imagine that his friendship with Dragic played a role. They are fellow Slovinians (the only Slovinians in the league) and from what I understand are very close.

PJR

03-01-2016, 03:20 AM

BasedTom

03-01-2016, 03:23 AM

Yes, very smart move. For the Heat.

However, a move that made absolutely no sense for Udrih. Therein lies the problem. Unless, of course, someone can give an explanation for how this benefits him in any way, shape or form.
He actually enjoyed his (sadly cut short) stint here and wanted to help the team? I don't know how it's apparently a scandalous development when random fans on Heat fanforums knew this was a possibility before iso joe actually signed with the team

BasedTom

03-01-2016, 03:24 AM

Miami Cheat.
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JohnFreeman

03-01-2016, 03:29 AM

Yeah but Bosh is not healthy so it all weighs out

Get well soon Bosh

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 04:10 AM

LMAO.

Ain't shit gonna happen.

If an injured player wants to work a buyout deal for his team, in good faith, there's nothing in the collective bargaining preventing that. It's not salary cap circumvention.

It's not anything.

Brian Fathorst got you geeked up for no reason.
Windhorst is an idiot. If this turns out to not be a big deal, I'll have no problem in re-entering this thread and admitting I was wrong. But, I've been told it is going to be an issue and we're going to hear more details over the next 24-48 hours.

Btw, has it ever happened before? Where an injured player on a one-year deal decided to forego his salary for a cheaper buy-out seemingly for no personal gain other than doing a solid for the franchise?

You're acting like this is common practice. Step away from being a Heat fan and take a look at the situation from afar. Maybe he is just a really nice guy who has no interest in money -- despite not exactly being among the league's biggest earners by a longshot. But, it seems awfully convenient to those viewing it from the outside.

Relinquish

03-01-2016, 05:10 AM

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r0drig0lac

03-01-2016, 06:10 AM

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Riks

03-01-2016, 11:39 AM

Pat still the Godfather of the NBA.

Real Men Wear Green

03-01-2016, 11:46 AM

It could be hard to prove they did anything wrong. It's suspicious and if he gets some job with the Heat after he retires it becomes even more suspect. But unless the NBA can subpoena his financial records and find a smoking gun there I don't see how they prove wrongdoing.

LBJ 23

03-01-2016, 01:43 PM

It was stated that Udrih wanted to help the Heat, and I'd imagine that his friendship with Dragic played a role. They are fellow Slovinians (the only Slovinians in the league) and from what I understand are very close.

Slovenians :cheers:

CelticBaller

03-01-2016, 01:45 PM

Pay Riley is a shady dude

Blue&Orange

03-01-2016, 02:32 PM

You know that Wade basically confessed on an interview that he Bosh and LEbron agreed to join the Heat 1 year before it happened? What did the league do? Nothing?

You do realize that the elbow injury was fake and just a excuse, and Lebron gave the series away because he wanted to bolt to Miami?

You do realize he asked for a jersey number change, months before bolting to the Heat, because yeah, 1-3-6 it sounded cool.

Really Beno Udrih? Dude can say he just wanted to play more, and he wasn't going to get minutes in Miami.

dubnation

03-01-2016, 02:53 PM

Reminds me of that Kirilenko situation with the Nets. Riley's a shady dude no doubt :pimp:

HurricaneKid

03-01-2016, 03:18 PM

Sarcastic

03-01-2016, 03:24 PM

This has major ramifications. Of you are over the luxury line you don't get your split of the luxury revenue sharing. He is literally stealing from other franchises. And Miami has a long history of pulling shenannigans. This one is especially egregious.

Yea this is literally stealing from other owner's wallets. That's one thing you don't do, is mess with their money.

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 03:56 PM

Riks

03-01-2016, 03:57 PM

Hard to get "more minutes" when you're out for the year with an injury. Re-read the OP.
This. Completely negates whatever point Blue&Orange was trying to make.

outbreak

03-01-2016, 03:59 PM

Hard to get "more minutes" when you're out for the year with an injury. Re-read the OP.
eh he could easily say he has personal issues, family issues, doesn't get a long with the staff etc.

Riks

03-01-2016, 04:04 PM

eh he could easily say he has personal issues, family issues, doesn't get a long with the staff etc.
Which he probably will say that.

warriorfan

03-01-2016, 04:06 PM

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RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 04:07 PM

eh he could easily say he has personal issues, family issues, doesn't get a long with the staff etc.
That seems like it would be even more reason to allow your contract to expire and make the Heat pay the full amount left on the deal, not inexplicably settle for less. I'm telling you... there is no logical explanation for the situation other than (a) Udrih really felt like doing the organization a favor for no reason other than him being the most accommodating player in NBA history or (b) there was an under-the-table agreement made that the Heat would make it up to him in some way, either through future employment or something else. And option b would be a blatant violation of the CBA.

It has to be one of those two things and, to me, one of those scenarios is realistic and the other is not.

RoseCity07

03-01-2016, 04:36 PM

I bet they offered him a job when his career is over. Some shit like that. Or maybe that stripper Paul George banged in Miami.

G-train

03-01-2016, 05:33 PM

I've seen a lot of shady stuff done over the years, but this might take the cake just in how brazen they are being.

lol

But I'd by mad too if my team had a player as GM.

G-train

03-01-2016, 05:35 PM

I bet they offered him a job when his career is over. Some shit like that. Or maybe that stripper Paul George banged in Miami.

He will be a Miami player going forward.

WadeStan

03-01-2016, 05:43 PM

That seems like it would be even more reason to allow your contract to expire and make the Heat pay the full amount left on the deal, not inexplicably settle for less. I'm telling you... there is no logical explanation for the situation other than (a) Udrih really felt like doing the organization a favor for no reason other than him being the most accommodating player in NBA history or (b) there was an under-the-table agreement made that the Heat would make it up to him in some way, either through future employment or something else. And option b would be a blatant violation of the CBA.

It has to be one of those two things and, to me, one of those scenarios is realistic and the other is not.

You're overstating the sum at hand. It's 90k. Not the shady $11 million pay cut that David West took to sign with the San Antonio Spurs... NBA's Classiest Team... hmm wait a second :lol

Optimus Prime

03-01-2016, 06:13 PM

I think Pat Riley being in your gratitude is worth giving up a few bucks.

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Crimsonrain777

03-01-2016, 06:18 PM

I think Pat Riley being in your gratitude is worth giving up a few bucks.

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Hey Yo

03-01-2016, 06:28 PM

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 06:40 PM

You're overstating the sum at hand. It's 90k. Not the shady $11 million pay cut that David West took to sign with the San Antonio Spurs... NBA's Classiest Team... hmm wait a second :lol
That $90k got them under the repeater tax threshold. It's, like, a really big deal.

RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 06:40 PM

I think Pat Riley being in your gratitude is worth giving up a few bucks.

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OMG

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Hey Yo

03-01-2016, 06:55 PM

"Yet, Udrih forfeited a portion of that money in a buyout — which presumably gets the Heat below the luxury-tax line after signing Joe Johnson.

"Several NBA teams are upset by an unusual agreement between the Miami Heat and veteran guard Beno Udrih that will get the team out of paying the luxury tax, sources told ESPN.com."

Other teams ought to be upset.

Miami now figures to avoid paying the tax (though it would’ve been a small amount), receive a portion of tax payments distributed to non-taxpaying teams and escape repeater penalties for the next few years.

And what does Udrih get for that? At face value, nothing except less money.

If you think teams are upset now, just wait until Udrih signs an above-market contract with the Heat this summer.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/03/01/report-several-nba-teams-upset-by-heats-buyout-of-beno-udrih/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

PJR

03-01-2016, 07:28 PM

All I see is LeBron/Cavs stans mad as FVCK Riley stole Joe Johnson, avoided the luxury tax this season , and the repeater tax in the future, as the clock will reset. :lol

What. A. Time.

zbott

03-01-2016, 07:34 PM

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RedBlackAttack

03-01-2016, 07:43 PM

All I see is LeBron/Cavs stans mad as FVCK Riley stole Joe Johnson, avoided the luxury tax this season , and the repeater tax in the future, as the clock will reset. :lol

What. A. Time.
Joe Johnson is certainly not the issue. He has the same chances of winning a title in Miami as he had in Brooklyn and that's just the long and short of it.

Cleveland is not the issue, because we have our own issues to worry about that I'd be happy to elaborate upon.

This is a fascinating story to me and I really could not believe my eyes when I read that he agreed to a buy-out. Really, it speaks for itself. What happens behind the scenes in the NBA is something I'm always interested in finding out.

If it happened in Milwaukee or Detroit or Washington, I'd have exactly the same reaction. Believe what you will, though.

G-train

03-02-2016, 07:07 PM

Joe Johnson is certainly not the issue. He has the same chances of winning a title in Miami as he had in Brooklyn and that's just the long and short of it.

Bullshit.

Crimsonrain777

03-02-2016, 09:26 PM

there seems to be alot of wishful thinking in this thread

jrong

03-02-2016, 11:33 PM

Joe Johnson is certainly not the issue. He has the same chances of winning a title in Miami as he had in Brooklyn and that's just the long and short of it.

Come on, RBA, you know that's not true. First, just the fact that the Heat will almost certainly be in the playoffs gives them a chance. Realistically, are they going to win it all? No. But, it's within an ever-so-slim realm of possibility. Miami matches up well against both GSW and OKC. And with the addition of JJ and Deng moving to PF, it's at least a better matchup now against the Spurs than it was.

In the East, from my vantage point, the Cavs are poised to implode. There may not be enough competition in the East to make it happen (I wish the Bulls weren't imploding themselves), and it's possible CLE makes it out of the East and pulls it together to beat a beaten up WC champ, if the WC playoffs end up being all-out war. But, the Heat are one of three teams that could conceivably take Cleveland out, the others being the Raps and Celtics (and I'd rather face the Cavs than either of those teams).

....Re: Udrih-- you're right, on its face, the decision makes no sense for him, but I think he might be assuming nobody is going to pick him up because of his injury and once he clears waivers, he can eventually resign with Miami. I don't see any impropriety if that's the case.

HurricaneKid

03-03-2016, 02:07 AM

Come on, RBA, you know that's not true. First, just the fact that the Heat will almost certainly be in the playoffs gives them a chance. Realistically, are they going to win it all? No. But, it's within an ever-so-slim realm of possibility. Miami matches up well against both GSW and OKC. And with the addition of JJ and Deng moving to PF, it's at least a better matchup now against the Spurs than it was.

In the East, from my vantage point, the Cavs are poised to implode. There may not be enough competition in the East to make it happen (I wish the Bulls weren't imploding themselves), and it's possible CLE makes it out of the East and pulls it together to beat a beaten up WC champ, if the WC playoffs end up being all-out war. But, the Heat are one of three teams that could conceivably take Cleveland out, the others being the Raps and Celtics (and I'd rather face the Cavs than either of those teams).

....Re: Udrih-- you're right, on its face, the decision makes no sense for him, but I think he might be assuming nobody is going to pick him up because of his injury and once he clears waivers, he can eventually resign with Miami. I don't see any impropriety if that's the case.

Why on earth would a team pick up a player that is injured and out for the season? They wouldn't even get Bird rights. There is literally nothing to be gained accept for whatever ridiculous and illegal deal was obv cut behind closed doors.