whiteside block rate

[swagga]

3.9 blocks in 28 minutes.

how much is that in the 60s? :oldlol:

[SpaceJam]

Wouldn't have been recorded, find me the newspaper article

[ISHGoat]

Probably like 12.8 blocks per 36 min per weak era

[Marchesk]

how much is that in the 60s? :oldlol:

Wilt was longer, thicker and had more girth.

[Gileraracer]

Wilt was longer, thicker and had more girth.

And played against the smurfs

[Riks]

Wilt was longer, thicker and had more girth.
His body was also bigger.

[LAZERUSS]

And played against the smurfs

He blocked 13 of Kareem's shots in four games of the '72 WCF's. Many of those sky-hooks. Oh, in those four games he blocked a total of 33 shots.

He also blocked two of Kareem's sky hooks in their very first meeting.

And he blocked a couple of Artis Gilmore's shots in the '72 ABA-NBA ASG.

As for "smurfs", true, he was blocking shots from a lot of guys Russell's size (6-9 1/2.) You know...guys like Demarcus Cousins, Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, and Andre Drummond's size.

Of course, he was knocking the 6-11 Nate Thurmond's, the 6-11 Walt Bellamy's, and the 6-11 Bob Lanier's shots all over the gym, as well.

[swagga]

He blocked 13 of Kareem's shots in four games of the '72 WCF's. Many of those sky-hooks. Oh, in those four games he blocked a total of 33 shots.

He also blocked two of Kareem's sky hooks in their very first meeting.

And he blocked a couple of Artis Gilmore's shots in the '72 ABA-NBA ASG.

As for "smurfs", true, he was blocking shots from a lot of guys Russell's size (6-9 1/2.) You know...guys like Demarcus Cousins, Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, and Andre Drummond's size.

Of course, he was knocking the 6-11 Nate Thurmond's, the 6-11 Walt Bellamy's, and the 6-11 Bob Lanier's shots all over the gym, as well.

nobody but the clinically insane would rate whiteside over wilt in ANY skill (rebounding, scoring, passing, etc) ... besides blocking. Whiteside's blocks are absolutely insane ... he has impeccable timing, precision, anticipation .. it's a thing of beauty. And he does it in an era where there are many outside shots on a slowed down pace, so the potential to block something is very reduced (compared to other eras).

You are right about wilt blocking HOFs, but in today's game these guys are unfortunately not able to compete because of the rules, so whiteside doesn't get to block such players. The man to man in the post block is unfortunately a dying breed, it has been replace by the positional semi weakside block.

Imo whiteside is a better shot blocker than ANYBODY ever, that's no knock to wilt. I'm saying pure shot blocker not rim protector, that's a whole other story.

[Cone]

best shot blocker in nba history. really not even close.

[Marchesk]

best shot blocker in nba history. really not even close.

Russell, Wilt, Thurmond, Mutumbo, Eaton, Bol all say hi.

[ISHGoat]

All played in weak eras. No troll.

[GrapeApe]

As a pure shotblocker, Whiteside is as good as I've ever seen. He also has the innate ability to keep most of his blocks in play. His problem is that he tries to block everything and frequently gets caught out of position. I've said this all year, but he lets up as many scores at the rim as shots he blocks. He's improved in that area but he still needs to dial back the aggressiveness and learn when to help and when to stay on his man.

[FireDavidKahn]

It would have equaled 2 mountain lions a month

[LAZERUSS]

3.9 blocks in 28 minutes.

how much is that in the 60s? :oldlol:

Whiteside's numbers actually support Wilt's overwhelming stats. For year's the "bashers" have claimed that Chamberlain couldn't possibly put up his huge numbers in this era. Not enough possessions, and the game is played differently...from outside and not inside. And yet here is Whiteside...all 6-10 1/2...shorter, smaller, slower, and not as athletic...averaging 4 bpg in 28 mpg. Which would translate to 6 bpg in a 42 mpg season. In THIS era. A Wilt in his last season averaged 5.4 bpg (according to the those that dug up LA Times articles.) And according to HOF statistician Harvey Pollack, Chamberlain had SEASONS of 10+ bpg. And we have an SI article, witnessed on national television, of game in which Chamberlain blocked 23 shots (and numerous other articles of estimated totals considerably more.) Even if we reduce those 10+ bpg seasons down to 2016 shot levels, Chamberlain would still be putting up 7-8 bpg in THIS era. But the naysayers say...impossible. And yet we have a Whiteside blocking shots at a 6 bpg pace for 42 mpg.

How about rpg? Just a few years ago, a 6-8 Love, with no more athleticism than the 6-8 Jerry Lucas...averaged 15.2 rpg, and in only 35.8 mpg....in a much lower paced NBA. Think about that. Had Love played even 42 mpg, and somehow been able to keep up that same level, he would have averaged 17.8 rpg. But the "bashers" will claim that a Wilt, who used to just crush Lucas on the glass in their H2H's...would be a 12-14 rpg guy in today's NBA.

Scoring? Just this season we are witnessing the 6-9 1/2 Cousins, with his 28" vertical, hanging a 27.3 ppg season...and in only 34.5 mpg. Here again, if Demarcus could sustain that pace (and without either fouling out, or getting kicked out) for 42 mpg... 33.2 ppg. On a mediocre .464 FG% mind you. In a league that has very few actual centers. Yet we are supposed to believe that a prime Chamberlain would struggle to score in this era of long-range shooting.

And how about efficiency? A prime Chamberlain was shooting .683 from the field, and did so while scoring 24 ppg, grabbing 24 rpg, and handing out 8 apg...in a league that shot .441 from the floor. And a more conservative Wilt shot .727 from the field, in a league that shot an eFG% of .456. And yet the 6-9 1/2 DeAndre Jordan, and with zero plays called for him, averaged 12 ppg on a .710 FG% just last season (and is currently at 12 ppg on a .690 this season)...and in only 34.4 mpg..and in a league that shot an eFG% of 500. Once again, give DeAndre 42 mpg, and hopefully the same level of efficiency, and he would have averaged 15 ppg. Not bad for a player that only scores on lobs and point-blank put-backs. But we are supposed to believe that a Chamberlain who was still putting up 60+ point games even in seasons in which he shot the ball considerably less than in his scoring prime (and two of them as late as 1969, and at nearly 33 years of age), would struggle against the defenses of today?

The reality was, a prime Chamberlain was a full 7-1+ (and would measure about 7-3 with shoes), had a wingspan of 7-8, weighed around 280-290 in his prime, was quite likely the strongest man to have ever played the game, and was a high-jump champion AND a sprinter in college, and had a skill-set that could easily rival Tim Duncan (BTW, a 38 year old Duncan put up a post-season of 18-11 .589 just last year.) But yet we are supposed to believe that he would just be another Tyson Chandler in today's NBA?

[LAZERUSS]

Wouldn't have been recorded, find me the newspaper article

I like this one...

The 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy (whom Marty Blake claimed was actually 7-0 BTW)...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11206644&postcount=24


And how about an SI article covering a nationally televised game in 1968...

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/01/27/559068/on-topbut-in-trouble


So the Lakers walk the ball up the court, get arranged and then, as VBK says, start "to grind it out." The Lakers do not often make 100 points now. "Defense is the thing we're really living on," van Breda Kolff admits, and Chamberlain has been superb, sometimes even awesome, on defense. In a recent game on national television he blocked 23 shots against Phoenix.

[LAZERUSS]

Whiteside just put up a 26-14 game, with 4 blocks in 33 minutes.

But Wilt would be a scrub in today's NBA.

[julizaver]

Imo whiteside is a better shot blocker than ANYBODY ever, that's no knock to wilt. I'm saying pure shot blocker not rim protector, that's a whole other story.

Whiteside in the same class as Mutombo, Bradley and Eaton as a pure shotblocker. The greatest ever - NO, elite - YES.

[aj1987]

Whiteside just put up a 26-14 game, with 4 blocks in 33 minutes.

But Wilt would be a scrub in today's NBA.
Not a scrub, but a borderline top 8 player.

[swagga]

Whiteside in the same class as Mutombo, Bradley and Eaton as a pure shotblocker. The greatest ever - NO, elite - YES.

mutombo maybe, but whiteside is much more mobile and can cover a lot more ground (including 3p shots). bradley :roll: quit trolling son. eaton was huge but he got the majority of his blocks by camping in the lane, not by playing modern D. You let whiteside camp in the paint with the high pace low post action of the 80s and he'd put unheard of numbers.

[julizaver]

mutombo maybe, but whiteside is much more mobile and can cover a lot more ground (including 3p shots). bradley :roll: quit trolling son. eaton was huge but he got the majority of his blocks by camping in the lane, not by playing modern D. You let whiteside camp in the paint with the high pace low post action of the 80s and he'd put unheard of numbers.

What do you mean by pure shotblocker ? And Bradley was there exactly for this ... no troling here.

[OnFire]

Whiteside's numbers actually support Wilt's overwhelming stats. For year's the "bashers" have claimed that Chamberlain couldn't possibly put up his huge numbers in this era. Not enough possessions, and the game is played differently...from outside and not inside. And yet here is Whiteside...all 6-10 1/2...shorter, smaller, slower, and not as athletic...averaging 4 bpg in 28 mpg. Which would translate to 6 bpg in a 42 mpg season. In THIS era. A Wilt in his last season averaged 5.4 bpg (according to the those that dug up LA Times articles.) And according to HOF statistician Harvey Pollack, Chamberlain had SEASONS of 10+ bpg. And we have an SI article, witnessed on national television, of game in which Chamberlain blocked 23 shots (and numerous other articles of estimated totals considerably more.) Even if we reduce those 10+ bpg seasons down to 2016 shot levels, Chamberlain would still be putting up 7-8 bpg in THIS era. But the naysayers say...impossible. And yet we have a Whiteside blocking shots at a 6 bpg pace for 42 mpg.

How about rpg? Just a few years ago, a 6-8 Love, with no more athleticism than the 6-8 Jerry Lucas...averaged 15.2 rpg, and in only 35.8 mpg....in a much lower paced NBA. Think about that. Had Love played even 42 mpg, and somehow been able to keep up that same level, he would have averaged 17.8 rpg. But the "bashers" will claim that a Wilt, who used to just crush Lucas on the glass in their H2H's...would be a 12-14 rpg guy in today's NBA.

Scoring? Just this season we are witnessing the 6-9 1/2 Cousins, with his 28" vertical, hanging a 27.3 ppg season...and in only 34.5 mpg. Here again, if Demarcus could sustain that pace (and without either fouling out, or getting kicked out) for 42 mpg... 33.2 ppg. On a mediocre .464 FG% mind you. In a league that has very few actual centers. Yet we are supposed to believe that a prime Chamberlain would struggle to score in this era of long-range shooting.

And how about efficiency? A prime Chamberlain was shooting .683 from the field, and did so while scoring 24 ppg, grabbing 24 rpg, and handing out 8 apg...in a league that shot .441 from the floor. And a more conservative Wilt shot .727 from the field, in a league that shot an eFG% of .456. And yet the 6-9 1/2 DeAndre Jordan, and with zero plays called for him, averaged 12 ppg on a .710 FG% just last season (and is currently at 12 ppg on a .690 this season)...and in only 34.4 mpg..and in a league that shot an eFG% of 500. Once again, give DeAndre 42 mpg, and hopefully the same level of efficiency, and he would have averaged 15 ppg. Not bad for a player that only scores on lobs and point-blank put-backs. But we are supposed to believe that a Chamberlain who was still putting up 60+ point games even in seasons in which he shot the ball considerably less than in his scoring prime (and two of them as late as 1969, and at nearly 33 years of age), would struggle against the defenses of today?

The reality was, a prime Chamberlain was a full 7-1+ (and would measure about 7-3 with shoes), had a wingspan of 7-8, weighed around 280-290 in his prime, was quite likely the strongest man to have ever played the game, and was a high-jump champion AND a sprinter in college, and had a skill-set that could easily rival Tim Duncan (BTW, a 38 year old Duncan put up a post-season of 18-11 .589 just last year.) But yet we are supposed to believe that he would just be another Tyson Chandler in today's NBA?

You could take everything you said and say that just proves Wilt was overrated because so many average players now can put up similar stats as wilt with wilt paced games.

Paul Bunyan chopped whole forests in a single swing

[avonbarksdale]

ask cavsftw

he can write you a 15 page report about it

[feyki]

mutombo maybe, but whiteside is much more mobile and can cover a lot more ground (including 3p shots). bradley :roll: quit trolling son. eaton was huge but he got the majority of his blocks by camping in the lane, not by playing modern D. You let whiteside camp in the paint with the high pace low post action of the 80s and he'd put unheard of numbers.

Whiteside doesn't playing modern D ( i mean high pacing and versatile basketball ) . His mobility is poor . And that's why he can't play more than 30 minutes .

[aj1987]

Whiteside doesn't playing modern D ( i mean high pacing and versatile basketball ) . His mobility is poor . And that's why he can't play more than 30 minutes .
Do you stans of the shit era watch today's basketball? Like at all?

[LAZERUSS]

You could take everything you said and say that just proves Wilt was overrated because so many average players now can put up similar stats as wilt with wilt paced games.

Paul Bunyan chopped whole forests in a single swing

So you are basically agreeing with my premise that if you moved a prime Wilt into this era, gave him 42 mpg, and he would put up a minimum of 33-18-5-6 on .600 shooting then, right?

[swagga]

So you are basically agreeing with my premise that if you moved a prime Wilt into this era, gave him 42 mpg, and he would put up a minimum of 33-18-5-6 on .600 shooting then, right?

wilt would drop 28/16/3/5 on .55-.60. anything above this is really pushing it, as better rebounders (rodman) plateau'd there and he won't get too many points in the lowpost these days. 5 blocks is crazy in itself.

he'd play 40 mins easy tho.