Will Curry guard Lebron in Finals?.. Otherwise, he's nowhere near MJ

[3ball]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/spring-1991-los-angeles-lakers-magic-johnson-right-is-guarded-by-of-picture-id569162619


Jordan's GOAT two-way performance included being the primary defender on Magic - MJ guarded him for 14 of 20 quarters, which included holding Magic to 0-0-0 with 1 TO in critical Game 3 OT, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtj8ovhp48&t=6m04s).. (btw, Pippen missed that OT by fouling out - classic Pippen - MIA in the critical moments of the series).

The 1991 matchup of MJ vs. Magic was one of the best ever, since it pitted the regular season MVP winner (MJ) vs. the runner-up (Magic), and both guys were top 5 all-time players.. But MJ dominated the matchup - here are their overall stats for the series:

JORDAN 1991 FINALS:. 33/7/11 on 56%
MAGIC. 1991 FINALS:.. 19/7/13 on 43%


Otoh, Curry isn't a two-way player - so he could never do this to Lebron - he needs Iggy to play defense and win FMVP.

Curry's offense might be close to Jordan for this ONE season, but defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is still far better HALF the time they're playing.. Defensively, Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league, while Jordan was the best defender at his position.



DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:

Pippen guarded Magic for:

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none

Here's all 5 games in their entirety:

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUC9fSFdik
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6AWPT6fG0
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueGQChyFuU
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0LJVxaqD0
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNFQSBUe5c


Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%).
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[IncarceratedBob]

LeBron's shot is gone at this point in his career, it doesn't take much to guard him

[WorldWarriors]

I'm disappointed 3ball.

Guarding Lebron? Is that all you got? :oldlol:

[Marchesk]

LeBron's shot is gone at this point in his career, it doesn't take much to guard him

I think 3Ball has a new target.

[Dr Hawk]

Just let Liebron shot.

[sd3035]

The Bulls defense improved during Jordan's two year gambling suspension

[MP.Trey]

I forgot Curry is comparable physically and athletically with Jordan to be expected to do these things. Thanks 2ball!

[Levity]

as hard as this is to believe, this is one of your least sensible threads, ya jabroni.

[brain drain]

MAGIC. 1991 FINALS:.. 19/7/13 on 43%


Magic 1991 total playoff averages: 21.8/8.1/12.6 on 44%

Whopdee. So Jordan's otherworldly defense managed to lower Magic's fg% by 1 whopping percentage point compared to the defenders on the other playoff teams that year.

Thats's shocking!

[TemporaMutantur]

Nah, but he'll be guarding Kyrie, who is not an easy task either.

Regardless, if any other Eastern conference team makes the finals (whose 1st option is the PG), your argument falls to shit.

MJ is great, relax. Your insecurity is baffling.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Magic 1991 total playoff averages: 21.8/8.1/12.6 on 44%

Whopdee. So Jordan's otherworldly defense managed to lower Magic's fg% by 1 whopping percentage point compared to the defenders on the other playoff teams that year.

Thats's shocking!

Savage

Not to mention his TOV/game didn't change

[hateraid]

as hard as this is to believe, this is one of your least sensible threads, ya jabroni.

How so? So the best player is supposed to guard the best player? Is Jordan supposed to guard Shaq in the series against Orlando? Karl Malone against the Jazz? It's all match ups. Iggy has the assignment to guard Bron. Curry gets Irving. Kay gets JR and so on.

[hateraid]

Let's just discredit all MJ'S accomplishments since he never guarded the best players on certain teams. He never guarded Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Barkley......

This is OP'S logic

[Levity]

How so? So the best player is supposed to guard the best player? Is Jordan supposed to guard Shaq in the series against Orlando? Karl Malone against the Jazz? It's all match ups. Iggy has the assignment to guard Bron. Curry gets Irving. Kay gets JR and so on.

thats why i said its his LEAST sensible thread, ya jabroni.

[3ball]

thats why i said its his LEAST sensible thread, ya jabroni.


It isn't sensible to point out that defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is far better than Curry HALF the time they're playing, while being at least equal the other half?

That's as sensible as it gets ya jabroni.

Defensively, Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league, while Jordan was the best defender at his position.. And offensively, they're equal, or Jordan is better if you consider more than 1 season.
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[riseagainst]

OP shot himself in the foot on this post.

Here is the truth behind who was guarding Magic in the 91 finals:
MJ took the role early on but Magic was abusing him in the post. TLDR: MJ couldn't guard Magic.

Then Phil Jackson switched Pippen onto Magic and then Magic happened.

:roll:

nice try though.

[wordsRweapons]

curry won't make the finals :pimp:

[Levity]

It isn't sensible to point out that defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is far better than Curry HALF the time they're playing, while being at least equal the other half?

That's as sensible as it gets ya jabroni.

Defensively, Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league, while Jordan was the best defender at his position.

:eek: :eek:

http://media0.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif

[keantona]

I remember reading 3ball's posts about Jordan vs Curry at the start of the season and thinking how ridiculous it was that he was even bothering to 'defend' Jordan against Curry, as if anyone would really think Curry had reached that level.

But I guess he was right to be worried, because Curry's definitely playing at that kind of level of dominance right now. Peak vs peak (although certainly not yet career vs career) it's now a real argument, and Curry's only getting better.

[hold this L]

I remember reading 3ball's posts about Jordan vs Curry at the start of the season and thinking how ridiculous it was that he was even bothering to 'defend' Jordan against Curry, as if anyone would really think Curry had reached that level.

But I guess he was right to be worried, because Curry's definitely playing at that kind of level of dominance right now. Peak vs peak (although certainly not yet career vs career) it's now a real argument, and Curry's only getting better.
Can he get better? I can't even imagine it. If he gets better, what is next for him? Half court 3s once every 3 games? 55-60% 3PTS? I legitimately don't know how he can get much better to be honest. I feel like he and Green have reached their peak, though Klay can improve in 3 aspects to get the max out of that team.

What he is doing is already some of the most ridiculous shit I have seen out of an athelete. Just look at the gifs from what he did in a topic made 2 days back, 3 incredible shots all in one week vs 3 different opponents away from home. He can't get better. If he does, the rest of the league should just hold the L and not bother showing up.

Can't believe 2ball is so insecure and needs to defend the GOAT....

[hateraid]

thats why i said its his LEAST sensible thread, ya jabroni.

Whoops! My bad! I read it completely wrong.:lol
You get a free shot buddy. Be easy on me :cheers:

[Riks]

Let's just discredit all MJ'S accomplishments since he never guarded the best players on certain teams. He never guarded Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Barkley......

This is OP'S logic
Agreed. Jordan is the worst.

[3ball]

I remember reading 3ball's posts about Jordan vs Curry at the start of the season and thinking how ridiculous it was that he was even bothering to 'defend' Jordan against Curry, as if anyone would really think Curry had reached that level.

But I guess he was right to be worried, because Curry's definitely playing at that kind of level of dominance right now. Peak vs peak (although certainly not yet career vs career) it's now a real argument, and Curry's only getting better.
defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is far better than Curry HALF the time they're playing.

the other half the time, jordan is equal or better if we're comparing to this season, and vastly superior virtually every other season.

heck, jordan carried a bigger load while winning his rings in 1997 and 1998 (as an old man), than prime Curry carried while winning his ring last season:


.............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015...... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016...... 35.6..... 42.4

[Genaro]

If you didn't, now you know. Lebron isn't the best player in the league anymore.
2ball now points his guns at Curry.

BTW, it's a ridiculous argument. 2ball is running away from quoting those ones who are asking why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Shaq, Barkley or Ewing, cause he knows that buries his argument.

[riseagainst]

If you didn't, now you know. Lebron isn't the best player in the league anymore.
2ball now points his guns at Curry.

BTW, it's a ridiculous argument. 2ball is running away from quoting those ones who are asking why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Shaq, Barkley or Ewing, cause he knows that buries his argument.

this.

:oldlol:

[WorldWarriors]

It isn't sensible to point out that defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is far better than Curry HALF the time they're playing, while being at least equal the other half?

That's as sensible as it gets ya jabroni.

Defensively, Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league, while Jordan was the best defender at his position.. And offensively, they're equal, or Jordan is better if you consider more than 1 season.
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Say what? Coming terms with something are you?

Oh this is good:oldlol:

3ball you're something else.

[ShawkFactory]

The different in size between Lebron and Curry: 5 inches and 59 pounds.

Difference in size between Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon: 6 inches and 40 pounds.

Did Jordan guard Hakeem?

[hateraid]

And just to throw salt on the wounds it was Pippen who took on the primary duties of guarding Magic.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen10_1991.html

Shut 'er down 3ball

[3ball]

If you didn't, now you know. Lebron isn't the best player in the league anymore.
2ball now points his guns at Curry.

BTW, it's a ridiculous argument. 2ball is running away from quoting those ones who are asking why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Shaq, Barkley or Ewing, cause he knows that buries his argument.


I already addressed this - Jordan's superior defensive impact might not have allowed him to guard Shaq or Malone, but it allowed him to guard M-A-G-I-C mother****ers, or Lebron, while Curry can't even guard Derozan or Butler.

Since MJ could've guarded Lebron just like he guarded Magic, his impact is DIMENSIONS superior to Curry's, who could never guard Lebron or Magic and is restricted to midget scrubs like Dellevadova and Shumpert.

It's not even CLOSE

[hateraid]

OP shot himself in the foot on this post.

Here is the truth behind who was guarding Magic in the 91 finals:
MJ took the role early on but Magic was abusing him in the post. TLDR: MJ couldn't guard Magic.

Then Phil Jackson switched Pippen onto Magic and then Magic happened.

:roll:

nice try though.

This right here

[hateraid]

I already addressed this - Jordan's superior defensive impact might not have allowed him to guard Shaq or Malone, but it allowed him to guard M-A-G-I-C mother****ers, or Lebron, while Curry can't even guard Derozan or Butler.

Since MJ could've guarded Lebron just like he guarded Magic, his impact is DIMENSIONS superior to Curry's, who could never guard Lebron or Magic and is restricted to midget scrubs like Dellevadova and Shumpert.

It's not even CLOSE

Ahem.....Pippen cough*

[KobesFinger]

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/mj-gif.gif

You still post here?

[Derka]

Seriously, whose alt account is this? I'm convinced its just one of the regulars masquerading for the sake of riling people up because you just have nothing else to do with your time.

[kamil]

Let's just discredit all MJ'S accomplishments since he never guarded the best players on certain teams. He never guarded Ewing, Shaq, Mourning, Barkley......

This is OP'S logic

Ewing, Shaq and Mourning? Really? I didn't know MJ played centre...

[Levity]

Ewing, Shaq and Mourning? Really? I didn't know MJ played centre...

guess the point of this thread went right over your head.

[3ball]

Say what? Coming terms with something are you?

Oh this is good:oldlol:

3ball you're something else.
I don't want to hear any crap about how there's no defense for a 30 footer - Curry has only attempted 22 thirty-footers this season, so it's a neglibible portion of his offense.

Here's the reality - it hasn't registered yet for opponents that in TODAY'S uniquely-spaced, hands-off defensive environment, Curry has become an all-time great offensive force, and needs to be treated accordingly (i.e. REAL adjustments made to stop him).

So once teams ACTUALLY make adjustments, Curry's stats will decline, like EVERY all-time great's stats have always done once the defense makes REAL adjustments (Kobe in various Finals and series... Lebron in 2007 Finals, 2008 ECF, 2011 Finals, 2013 Finals... even MJ vs. the Bad Boys - only 30 ppg on 46%).

Curry's stats will decline in the 2016 playoffs accordingly, so he won't achieve the GOAT 32.0 PER that MJ achieved while winning the 1991 NBA championship.

[riseagainst]

I already addressed this - Jordan's superior defensive impact might not have allowed him to guard Shaq or Malone, but it allowed him to guard M-A-G-I-C mother****ers, or Lebron, while Curry can't even guard Derozan or Butler.

Since MJ could've guarded Lebron just like he guarded Magic, his impact is DIMENSIONS superior to Curry's, who could never guard Lebron or Magic and is restricted to midget scrubs like Dellevadova and Shumpert.

It's not even CLOSE


sup dude:



OP shot himself in the foot on this post.

Here is the truth behind who was guarding Magic in the 91 finals:
MJ took the role early on but Magic was abusing him in the post. TLDR: MJ couldn't guard Magic.

Then Phil Jackson switched Pippen onto Magic and then Magic happened.



nice try though.

[3ball]

Ahem.....Pippen cough*


I already addressed this - Jordan's superior defensive impact might not have allowed him to guard Shaq or Malone, but it allowed him to guard M-A-G-I-C mother****ers, or Lebron, while Curry can't even guard Derozan or Butler.

Since MJ could've guarded Lebron just like he guarded Magic, his impact is DIMENSIONS superior to Curry's, who could never guard Lebron or Magic and is restricted to midget scrubs like Dellevadova and Shumpert.

It's not even CLOSE





Ahem.....Pippen cough*


I already showed in the OP how MJ guarded Magic for 14 of the 20 quarters, or 70% of the time, compared to Pippen's 30% of the quarters.

Flpiii has additional that show this as well.

His stats show that MJ guarded Magic at a more than 2 to 1 rate vs. Pippen's time defending Magic (which is congruent with the 70% and 30% figures I saw by watching the footage posted in the OP).

[KobesFinger]

I don't want to hear any crap about how there's no defense for a 30 footer - Curry has only attempted 22 thirty-footers this season, so it's a neglibible portion of his offense.

Here's the reality - it hasn't registered yet for opponents that in TODAY'S uniquely-spaced, hands-off defensive environment, Curry has become an all-time great offensive force, and needs to be treated accordingly (i.e. REAL adjustments made to stop him).

So once teams ACTUALLY make adjustments, Curry's stats will decline, like EVERY all-time great's stats have always done once the defense makes REAL adjustments (Kobe in various Finals and series... Lebron in 2007 Finals, 2008 ECF, 2011 Finals, 2013 Finals... even MJ vs. the Bad Boys - only 30 ppg on 46%).

Curry's stats will decline in the 2016 playoffs accordingly, so he won't achieve the GOAT 32.0 PER that MJ achieved while winning the 1991 NBA championship.

What if he does?

[3ball]

3ball is correct. MJ guarded Magic for more than twice as many possessions as Scottie did.


Magic vs different Bulls defenders, per 95 possessions

player poss TS% PTS AST TOV FGA FTA F drawn
Jordan 253 73,2 20,3 16,1 4,5 9,4 10,1 6,4
Pippen 102 64,9 20,5 11,2 4,7 12,1 8,4 7,5
no one 031 26,5 15,3 12,3 3,1 27,6 3,1 0
Horace 010 0,00 0,00 19,0 28,5 38,0 0,0 0
others 017 68,5 67,1 16,8 5,6 39,1 22,0 22,4

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129#p36419034


:pimp:

[WorldWarriors]

I don't want to hear any crap about how there's no defense for a 30 footer - Curry has only attempted 22 thirty-footers this season, so it's a neglibible portion of his offense.

Here's the reality - it hasn't registered yet for opponents that in TODAY'S uniquely-spaced, hands-off defensive environment, Curry has become an all-time great offensive force, and needs to be treated accordingly (i.e. REAL adjustments made to stop him).

So once teams ACTUALLY make adjustments, Curry's stats will decline, like EVERY all-time great's stats have always done once the defense makes REAL adjustments (Kobe in various Finals and series... Lebron in 2007 Finals, 2008 ECF, 2011 Finals, 2013 Finals... even MJ vs. the Bad Boys - only 30 ppg on 46%).

Curry's stats will decline in the 2016 playoffs accordingly, so he won't achieve the GOAT 32.0 PER that MJ achieved while winning the 1991 NBA championship.

Well you said that Curry was better offensively. Even with all of the caveats that's a lot coming from you.

:cheers:

[3ball]

What if he does?


If he does get a 32.0 PER in the playoffs like Jordan did in 1991, then Curry will have matched Jordan's GOAT offense for 1 season.

Since this is Curry's first season matching Jordan's GOAT offense, and his first season leading the league in scoring, he'll have 9 more to go to catch MJ.. Good luck

And of course, offense is only half the game.. Curry remains far worse the OTHER half the time..

MJ's defense was in another dimension from Curry, which put MJ's overall impact in a superior dimension - imagine Curry with the same offensive impact he has now, but the capability of guarding Lebron.. :eek:

[kamil]

guess the point of this thread went right over your head.

Sarcasm went over yours.

[Levity]

Sarcasm went over yours.

apparently


way too smart for me

[SouBeachTalents]

OP why can't you just appreciate other great players? I'm pretty sure Curry not getting a single FMVP vote and never coming close to making the All-Defensive team ended any realistic shot he had at surpassing Jordan. Dude imo would have to win 7-8 titles to have even an argument against Jordan all-time, something that most likely won't happen. Just STFU for once and enjoy a player having a legendary season and dominating the league on what's on pace to be the GOAT team

[sd3035]

Mchael had no impact whatsoever on defense as proven by the team's better defensive performance without him

[3ball]

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Btw, Jordan REGULARLY made jumpshots that Curry can't make:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11992305&postcount=202


And MJ made the same halfcourt and buzzer-beating 3-pointers that Curry makes:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11899559&postcount=32


And he attacked rim like a 6'6" Westbrook:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384007&page=4

[3ball]

Mchael had no impact whatsoever on defense as proven by the team's better defensive performance without him
factually incorrect - the ENTIRE LEAGUE had lower DRtg in 1994 - league-wide DRtg declined from 108.0 to 106.3.. But the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't any better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th)..

Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.

[Funktion]

Warriors play team defense, lets put our franchise player whos a buck seventy soaking wet on a stiff arming shoulder dropping flaccid fullback.

[tmacattack33]

Why do you even root for MJ so hard man?

Because he was your childhood hero?

So what? I've learned that many of my childhood heroes are idiots as I've gotten older.

My real hero is my father who was an amazing person and worked hard for his family. Fukk a basketball player...especially one like Michael Jordan who is a complete a-hole. He plays a child's game for his profession...if not for this sport, he'd probably be nothing special. He doesn't even seem that bright. He'd probably be a cashier at Wal-Mart or something.

[InsanityKills]

0/11

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[3ball]

Why do you even root for MJ so hard man?


He dominates opponents the way I like to.

[riseagainst]

He dominates opponents the way I like to.

:roll:

one thing's for sure, he's not delusional like you are.

[Asukal]

3ball calls himself knowledgeable in basketball then post a retarded argument like this. :facepalm :whatever:

[3ball]

:roll:

one thing's for sure, he's not delusional like you are.
you laugh, but you'd be a better person if you did the same

[3ball]

3ball calls himself knowledgeable in basketball then post a retarded argument like this. :facepalm :whatever:
What's so ridiculous about op argument?

[CuterThanRubio]

Nobody in the real world cares about a series that happened 25 years ago.


These Jordan myths are slowly becoming Wilt level fairytales as time goes on..

[Asukal]

What's so ridiculous about op argument?

If you actually know anything about basketball then don't post these kinds of topic. :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

What's so ridiculous about op argument?

Because you are asking why Curry doesn't guard a guy who is 6+ inches taller and weighs 50+ pounds more, you idiot. You already got your shit pushed in when you were asked why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Barkley Ewing etc. You should have framed your topic better if you wanted it to be taken seriously. And who did you dominate? Nobody even takes you seriously...you're the board jester.

[riseagainst]

Because you are asking why Curry doesn't guard a guy who is 6+ inches taller and weighs 50+ pounds more, you idiot. You already got your shit pushed in when you were asked why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Barkley Ewing etc. You should have framed your topic better if you wanted it to be taken seriously. And who did you dominate? Nobody even takes you seriously...you're the board jester.

:lol

[3ball]

Because you are asking why Curry doesn't guard a guy who is 6+ inches taller and weighs 50+ pounds more, you idiot. You already got your shit pushed in when you were asked why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Barkley Ewing etc. You should have framed your topic better if you wanted it to be taken seriously. And who did you dominate? Nobody even takes you seriously...you're the board jester.
I'm pointing out that MJ has a far superior impact than Curry, specifically because MJ was Iggy defensively (FMVP), while still maintaining the same offensive impact.

ya dig

[LARRY BROWN]

LeBron will wont even make in the finals year!:lebroncry:

[knicksman]

When you first play the game, you play defense first because offense is harder to learn. So basically defense is for dirty workers while offense is for your stars. Theres a reason why you can easily find the iguodalas in this league. Draymond was a 2nd round pick while ben wallace is even undrafted. Meanwhile, theres no player in history that could do what curry does. So what im saying is, defense is for rookies or those who cant develop their offensive skills. Offense is more advanced than defense so why would you include defense when it comes to ranking players?

[tpols]

3ball is correct. MJ guarded Magic for more than twice as many possessions as Scottie did.

Code:
Magic vs different Bulls defenders, per 95 possessions

player poss TS% PTS AST TOV FGA FTA F drawn
Jordan 253 73,2 20,3 16,1 4,5 9,4 10,1 6,4
Pippen 102 64,9 20,5 11,2 4,7 12,1 8,4 7,5
no one 031 26,5 15,3 12,3 3,1 27,6 3,1 0
Horace 010 0,00 0,00 19,0 28,5 38,0 0,0 0
others 017 68,5 67,1 16,8 5,6 39,1 22,0 22,4



:pimp:


Am i reading this wrong or did pippen hold magic to way worse numbers ? +9 TS, +5 assist, more FTs taken against Jordan and less turnovers forced ..

how is this " :pimp: " worthy for MJ? If anything it shows Pippen was on another level

[scandisk_]

Guard bron? Seems like Curry is your new target.

stay salty bitchball

[theaussieguy]

being a force on both ends of the court is good and all, but its not an absolute prerequisite to be the considered the greatest of all time. Sure you probably need that accolade to be considered the best rounded player of all time, but in terms of being the best ever, you really only need to excel at something/s that make you and your basketball team insanely dominant.

Its very early days but its possible that Curry's god mode continues on for years and he wins ring after ring after ring. If he wins more rings than MJ it will basically be confirmed that he is the best of all time. Basically the best of all time is about having some asset that automatically makes your team better than anyone else's. You can be a total slacker on defense because the reality is its easy to get covered on that end with some defensive anchors. You might be able to do all these things better than Curry except the one thing that matters, putting the ball in the goddam hoop. Its far easier to build a winning team around that one asset and thats how the best of all time should be measured. How likely/easy is it to get a ring with a particular players skillset. As I sad its early days but we very well could be entering into the Curry era that upstages all before it.

Jordan fans are SHOOK because deep down they know this is a possibility. Then again as someone mentioned in a thread the other day its stupid to compare eras because you need to build a team designed to win within the confinement of current rules so what works in one era may not be as effective in another. Which again reflects badly on Jordan stans because they are clearly SHOOK.

[Round Mound]

If Curry leaves the Warriors for one year will he have a 2nd fiddle that is
4th in the League in PER, Top 10 In Defensive Rating and Top 10 In Plus/Minus? Don`t think so.... :confusedshrug:

[hateraid]

Because you are asking why Curry doesn't guard a guy who is 6+ inches taller and weighs 50+ pounds more, you idiot. You already got your shit pushed in when you were asked why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Barkley Ewing etc. You should have framed your topic better if you wanted it to be taken seriously. And who did you dominate? Nobody even takes you seriously...you're the board jester.

Funny because he uses impact as the argument which he should credit Pippen for. Still didn't go apples for apples when addressing position for position. He got trumped so he's back peddling.
Let's hear the impact argument again....

[sdot_thadon]

Magic 1991 total playoff averages: 21.8/8.1/12.6 on 44%

Whopdee. So Jordan's otherworldly defense managed to lower Magic's fg% by 1 whopping percentage point compared to the defenders on the other playoff teams that year.

Thats's shocking!


Am i reading this wrong or did pippen hold magic to way worse numbers ? +9 TS, +5 assist, more FTs taken against Jordan and less turnovers forced ..

how is this " :pimp: " worthy for MJ? If anything it shows Pippen was on another level
These 2 posts, 3ball. The reason you fail.

/stupidity.

[3ball]

Am i reading this wrong or did pippen hold magic to way worse numbers ? +9 TS, +5 assist, more FTs taken against Jordan and less turnovers forced ..


the efficiency stats are wrong, since Magic shot 62% TS for the series, which means he couldn't have shot MORE than that against both MJ and Scottie (the only guys that guarded him in the series).

the main point is that MJ guarded Magic for 70% of the series, compared to Pippen's 30%.

curry could never guard Magic or Lebron the way MJ guarded Magic and Drexler, which makes MJ's impact far superior - their respective offense might be close, but that's only HALF the game - the OTHER half the time (on defense), MJ is far superior.

[riseagainst]

"so why didn't MJ guard Ewing, Shaq, Malone, etc?"

3ball still dodging.

:lol

[Riks]

The real question is: How pathetic is the OP?

[3ball]

Magic 1991 total playoff averages: 21.8/8.1/12.6 on 44%

Whopdee. So Jordan's otherworldly defense managed to lower Magic's fg% by 1 whopping percentage point compared to the defenders on the other playoff teams that year.

Thats's shocking!


WHILE AVERAGING 33/7/11/56 HIMSELF....

that's the key - MJ didn't let Magic above his normal averages, WHILE GETTING 33/7/11 himself.

but honestly, all of you guys are clueless about the game - you're no different than an animal watching TV - you have no clue what you're watching... it's pathetic
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[3ball]

"so why didn't MJ guard Ewing, Shaq, Malone, etc?"

3ball still dodging.

:lol
Because MJ isn't a big man.

Both MJ and Curry play GUARD dumbass - however, only MJ is capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.

[hateraid]

Because MJ isn't a big man.

Both MJ and Curry play GUARD dumbass - however, only MJ is capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.

Poor logic. Did Jordan then guard Isiah? KJ? Tim Hardaway? We saw what Iverson did to him
Quit deflecting your logic. You're OP is clearly insinuating Jordan guards the best player, why doesn't Curry.
Try again

[3ball]

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THREAD CLIFFS:


For this season only, MJ and Curry have similar offensive impacts.

But Jordan's OVERALL impact is still far greater because offense is only half the game - defense is the other half, so Jordan is still much better than Curry half the time they're playing.

Both Jordan and Curry are guards, but Jordan was capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.

Essentially, MJ had Curry's offensive impact and Iggy's defensive impact - that's why he got 6 FMVP's and Curry has zero.

[Riks]

Because MJ isn't a big man.

Both MJ and Curry play GUARD dumbass - however, only MJ is capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.
MJ is a SG, which is 4 positions away from Hakeem at C, and only 3 positions away from Malone who played PF.

Curry is a PG, which is 3-4 positions away from LeBron, though even when LeBron plays SF, he is still the size of a PF.

So why is it OK for Jordan to not guard Hakeem or Malone, but you expect Curry to guard LeBron?

Your logic is terrible.

[Riks]

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THREAD CLIFFS:


For this season only, MJ and Curry have similar offensive impacts.

But Jordan's OVERALL impact is still far greater because offense is only half the game - defense is the other half, so Jordan is still much better than Curry half the time they're playing.

Both Jordan and Curry are guards, but Jordan was capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.

Essentially, MJ had Curry's offensive impact and Iggy's defensive impact - that's why he got 6 FMVP's and Curry has zero.
If Curry isn't close to MJ, then why does he make you so insecure?

[riseagainst]

Because MJ isn't a big man.

Both MJ and Curry play GUARD dumbass - however, only MJ is capable of guarding the likes of Magic, Lebron and Drexler, while Curry must be HIDDEN on defense by guarding Shumpert, Delly, Kerr, Paxson or some other stiff.


So why do you count it against Curry when he ONLY guards guards? Why would Curry guard Lebron (a SF)? Again this is all going by your logic.

At first you say MJ always guarded the opposing team's best player, then you got your face imploded in when people asked "why didn't MJ guard Ewing, Shaq, Malone". Now you change your criteria to be "opposing team's best players who are GUARDS".

But then you got your sh1t handed to you again when people said "but lebron is not a guard, why would Curry be guarding Lebron?" Then you change your argument once again by saying "MJ could have guarded Lebron." Now you are just playing hypotheticals.

Nice try though.

[miggyme1]

So why do you count it against Curry when he ONLY guards guards? Why would Curry guard Lebron (a SF)? Again this is all going by your logic.

At first you say MJ always guarded the opposing team's best player, then you got your face imploded in when people asked "why didn't MJ guard Ewing, Shaq, Malone". Now you change your criteria to be "opposing team's best players who are GUARDS".

But then you got your sh1t handed to you again when people said "but lebron is not a guard, why would Curry be guarding Lebron?" Then you change your argument once again by saying "MJ could have guarded Lebron." Now you are just playing hypotheticals.

Nice try though.


Yea this thread is a failure. big failure

[3ball]

Did Jordan guard Isiah?



Yes - Jordan was FREQUENTLY matched up with Isiah from tip-off and was the PRIMARY defender on Isiah... Here's a few examples with footage:


MJ locks down Isiah in Game 3 of 1989 ECF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc&t=0m22s)

MJ locks down Isiah in Game 1 of 1989 ECF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY)

MJ locks down Isiah in Game 5 of 1989 ECF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQZnESjOkyA)

Jordan's defense on Isiah in 1988 ECSF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32SOCES018)





Gary Payton?


In the 1996 Finals, Jordan was matched up with Payton from tip-off and was Gary's primary defender for Games 3 and 5, shown below:

Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m48s
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg





Tim Hardaway?


In 1996 1st Round, Jordan guarded Hardaway every game:

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAk0YEESpE0
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1IxCq_I0WE





KJ?


Jordan locks down Kevin Johnson in 1993 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw





We saw what Iverson did to him


According to Iverson:



"But the craziest thing about it, is that I hit him with my best move... and he still almost blocked it (laughs embarrassingly)... That's what's so crazy ahbout it!!.. That just lets you know how great of a defensive player that he was."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhI9cgsO4c&t=0m40s


So there you have it - when all-time greats put their best move on Jordan, he will still almost block it... GOAT... :bowdown:

[3ball]

there's a reason curry didn't win FMVP last year

d-e-f-e-n-s-e
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[lilteapot]

3ball - are you a fan of any other players besides Michael Jordan?

[Dro]

Why in the hell are you guys going back and forth with 3 ball?

[3ball]

3ball - are you a fan of any other players besides Michael Jordan?
I'm an efficient watcher of basketball - why waste time watching 2nd rate when you can watch 1 player and see the best of nearly everything?

Here's a list of the skills MJ was GOAT at:

- offensive repertoire (elite ability in ALL areas)
- drop-step (:bowdown:)
- hop-step
- first step
- posterizing ability
- shot-making ability (of difficult shots) at-rim out to 20 feet
- post spin moves
- efficient halfcourt handle (taking more steps with less dribble)
- turnaround jumpshot
- pullup jumpshot while dribbling R or L (but not stationary pull-ups, that's Kobe)
- midrange jumpshot
- form on his jumpshot
- his triple-threat game was GOAT for a guard
- his post game was GOAT for a guard


AND MANY MORE... So why would I watch Westbrook or Lebron - seriously, those guys have an UGLY game compared to Jordan - just look at their ugly, broke jumpshots and form... YIKES!!!

Plus they both employ an underachieving, playground style - they get their 25 PPG by dominating the ball - whereas MJ got his 30 PPG by playing OFF-BALL, with an optimal amount of ball-dominance mixed in.. 6/6 no one comes close

[3ball]

Why in the hell are you guys going back and forth with 3 ball?


Because I pointed out important truths that have annoyed some people.. Specifically:

MJ and Curry are guards, but MJ is capable of guarding Magic, Lebron, and Drexler, while Curry can only guard Shumpert, Delly, etc.

This is the reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ did Iggy's job on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0

[Smoke117]

Why in the hell are you guys going back and forth with 3 ball?

This.

[3ball]

This.
Because I pointed out important truths that have annoyed some people.. Specifically:

MJ and Curry are guards, but MJ is capable of guarding Magic, Lebron, and Drexler, while Curry can only guard Shumpert, Delly, etc.

This is the reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ did Iggy's job on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0

[Vancouver-Grizz]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/spring-1991-los-angeles-lakers-magic-johnson-right-is-guarded-by-of-picture-id569162619


Jordan's GOAT two-way performance included being the primary defender on Magic - MJ guarded him for 14 of 20 quarters, which included holding Magic to 0-0-0 with 1 TO in critical Game 3 OT, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtj8ovhp48&t=6m04s).. (btw, Pippen missed that OT by fouling out - classic Pippen - MIA in the critical moments of the series).

The 1991 matchup of MJ vs. Magic was one of the best ever, since it pitted the regular season MVP winner (MJ) vs. the runner-up (Magic), and both guys were top 5 all-time players.. But MJ dominated the matchup - here are their overall stats for the series:

JORDAN 1991 FINALS:. 33/7/11 on 56%
MAGIC. 1991 FINALS:.. 19/7/13 on 43%


Otoh, Curry isn't a two-way player - so he could never do this to Lebron - he needs Iggy to play defense and win FMVP.

Curry's offense might be close to Jordan for this ONE season, but defense is HALF the game, so Jordan is still far better HALF the time they're playing.. Defensively, Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league, while Jordan was the best defender at his position.



DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS BY QUARTER, 1991 FINALS:

Pippen guarded Magic for:

GAME 1: none
GAME 2: 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters
GAME 3: 2nd and 3rd quarters
GAME 4: the last 4 minutes of 4th quarter
GAME 5: none

Here's all 5 games in their entirety:

Game 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUC9fSFdik
Game 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S6AWPT6fG0
Game 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueGQChyFuU
Game 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO0LJVxaqD0
Game 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNFQSBUe5c


Overall, MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (70%), compared to only 6 of 20 for Pippen (30%).
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seriously...eat shit:facepalm :facepalm

[3ball]

So why do you count it against Curry when he ONLY guards guards? Why would Curry guard Lebron (a SF)?


You're getting confused - both MJ and Curry are guards, but MJ is capable of guarding Magic, Lebron, and Drexler, while Curry can only guard Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ did Iggy's job on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0
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[lilteapot]

I'm an efficient watcher of basketball - why waste time watching 2nd rate when you can watch 1 player and see the best of nearly everything?

Here's a list of the skills MJ was GOAT at:

- offensive repertoire (elite ability in ALL areas)
- drop-step (:bowdown:)
- hop-step
- first step
- posterizing ability
- shot-making ability (of difficult shots) at-rim out to 20 feet
- post spin moves
- efficient halfcourt handle (taking more steps with less dribble)
- turnaround jumpshot
- pullup jumpshot while dribbling R or L (but not stationary pull-ups, that's Kobe)
- midrange jumpshot
- form on his jumpshot
- his triple-threat game was GOAT for a guard
- his post game was GOAT for a guard


AND MANY MORE... So why would I watch Westbrook or Lebron - seriously, those guys have an UGLY game compared to Jordan - just look at their ugly, broke jumpshots and form... YIKES!!!

Plus they both employ an underachieving, playground style - they get their 25 PPG by dominating the ball - whereas MJ got his 30 PPG by playing OFF-BALL, with an optimal amount of ball-dominance mixed in.. 6/6 no one comes close

So you've been doing nothing but watch clips of the same player over and over again every day for the past 20+ years?

Talk about pathetic. :lol

[3ball]

So you've been doing nothing but watch clips of the same player over and over again every day for the past 20+ years?

Talk about pathetic. :lol
Btw, inferior players is only 1 reason why I don't watch today's game.

I also don't watch because the brand of basketball is inferior as well.

Superior skills are needed to mitigate no-spacing (previous eras), while today's spacing requires lesser skill - everyone knows the game is easier WITH spacing than without..

for example, today's passing is basic, predictable and boring - no more threading needles as required by no-spacing environments

[nba_55]

Btw, inferior players is only 1 reason why I don't watch today's game.

I also don't watch because the brand of basketball is inferior as well.

Superior skills are needed to mitigate no-spacing (previous eras), while today's spacing requires lesser skill - everyone knows the game is easier WITH spacing than without..

for example, today's passing is basic, predictable and boring - no more threading needles as required by no-spacing environments

lol what a shit talker. We all know you watch all of cavs and warriors games.

[3ball]

lol what a shit talker. We all know you watch all of cavs and warriors games.
you wish

since 2011, the only time I watched even HALF a quarter of basketball was when Kobe announced his retirement this year.

and honestly - i love kobe, but i was bored AF

[3ball]

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Jordan's FMVP's = Iggy's last year, IF Iggy averaged 35 ppg.


http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/41/files/2015/06/andre-iguodala-lebron-james-nba-playoffs-golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers1.jpg


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/spring-1991-los-angeles-lakers-magic-johnson-right-is-guarded-by-of-picture-id569162619
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[riseagainst]

Btw, inferior players is only 1 reason why I don't watch today's game.

I also don't watch because the brand of basketball is inferior as well.

Superior skills are needed to mitigate no-spacing (previous eras), while today's spacing requires lesser skill - everyone knows the game is easier WITH spacing than without..

for example, today's passing is basic, predictable and boring - no more threading needles as required by no-spacing environments


Then why do you constantly analyze Lebron and Curry's games and constantly post on here? Seems contradictory. Be honest, you watch their games every night they are on hoping they fck up so they won't threaten to beat out MJ's legacy.

:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

MJ is the GOAT at ALL of those things???

:roll: :roll:

Like..his turnaround jumper was better than Birds? Stop being a queer

[sdot_thadon]

you wish

since 2011, the only time I watched even HALF a quarter of basketball was when Kobe announced his retirement this year.

and honestly - i love kobe, but i was bored AF
Somebody sure is lying their ass off here trainwreck.....:coleman:

[3ball]

Somebody sure is lying their ass off here trainwreck.....:coleman:
You guys wish I was a loser like you guys and actually watched today's NBA

:roll:

Y'all some losers

[3ball]

Like..his turnaround jumper was better than Birds?


yeah, it was better, but i guess you never saw jordan

other than 3-pointers, i can't think of a single aspect of scoring that bird was better at.

[3ball]

Then why do you constantly analyze Lebron and Curry's games and constantly post on here? Seems contradictory.

Be honest, you watch their games every night they are on hoping they fck up so they won't threaten to beat out MJ's legacy.


It's called youtube son.

There are highlight videos for every good player, for every game.

I access these videos when I need to show how much easier the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and lack of physical play has made today's game.. But at this point, I have all the revealing gifs that I need.. I haven't accessed those videos in months

[riseagainst]

It's called youtube son.

There are highlight videos for every good player, for every game.

I access these videos when I need to show how much easier the spacing, defensive 3 seconds and lack of physical play has made today's game.. But at this point, I have all the revealing gifs that I need.. I haven't accessed those videos in months

But you just said you don't watch today's NBA, then how would you have that spacing knowledge in the first place to then prompt you to watch youtube videos? Again, seems fishy.

[3ball]

But you just said you don't watch today's NBA, then how would you have that spacing knowledge in the first place to then prompt you to watch youtube videos? Again, seems fishy.
Because that's why I stopped watching - when I saw the game that I loved reduced to a drive-and-kick fest - I was disgusted and stopped watching..

When the game reaches a place where the most rational objective is to get a 3-pointer, then the game has begun to devolve.

I accepted this reality sooner than most posters and hoops fans.

Fans and pundits are ONLY NOW starting to realize the redundancy of today's game, where 3-pointers rule, thus nullifying 2-point skill.. Curry has made that shit obvious, so even casual fans get it.

But I noticed this shit in 2011... and when I discovered the world of internet posting around 2013, it was the perfect topic for me to post about.. check my handle

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

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Jordan's FMVP's = Iggy's last year...... IF Iggy averaged 35 ppg.


http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/41/files/2015/06/andre-iguodala-lebron-james-nba-playoffs-golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers1.jpg


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/spring-1991-los-angeles-lakers-magic-johnson-right-is-guarded-by-of-picture-id569162619


Obviously, when Curry is awarded FMVP this season, it will be for his ONE-WAY performance, and therefore nowhere near Jordan's TWO-WAY impact

[WorldWarriors]

Can the Warriors actually get to the finals first? You're already discrediting something that has not even happened yet. :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

Because that's why I stopped watching - when I saw the game that I loved reduced to a drive-and-kick fest - I was disgusted and stopped watching..

When the game reaches a place where the most rational objective is to get a 3-pointer, then the game has begun to devolve.

I accepted this reality sooner than most posters and hoops fans.

Fans and pundits are ONLY NOW starting to realize the redundancy of today's game, where 3-pointers rule, thus nullifying 2-point skill.. Curry has made that shit obvious, so even casual fans get it.

But I noticed this shit in 2011... and when I discovered the world of internet posting around 2013, it was the perfect topic for me to post about.. check my handle
Which handle is the real question. So many to choose from, got problems boy.

[Straight_Ballin]

So not only did Delly have to cover Curry all game during the finals, he actually had a game where he dropped 20 on him. That's how bad of a defender Curry is. The man who had to run around and cover him all night still dropped 20 on his ass. Hows that suppose to give Curry the confidence to cover Lebron when he can't even handle Delly?! :lol

[sdot_thadon]

Same way Mj would have guarded Karl malone.

[Straight_Ballin]

You're confused - MJ and Curry play the guard position, but only MJ is capable of defending Magic, Lebron, Drexler, and Isiah, while Curry can only defend Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, Jordan did Iggy's job on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having the goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0
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But is it really defending when the guy who's sole purpose is to stop you still manages to drop 20 points on you while playing on the biggest stage? I don't call that defending, I call it getting exposed as a 1 way player. :lol

[3ball]

But is it really defending when the guy who's sole purpose is to stop you still manages to drop 20 points on you while playing on the biggest stage? I don't call that defending, I call it getting exposed as a 1 way player. :lol
Exactly.. Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league defensively.

MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against opponents that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
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[SpanishACB]

hey 3ball when you meet an idiot every 5 minutes the idiot is you

[3ball]

hey 3ball when you meet an idiot every 5 minutes the idiot is you
There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[ralph_i_el]

Exactly.. Curry ranks in the bottom half of the league defensively.
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By what metric?


Also, Curry has to be guarded tighter without the ball than anyone ever. MJ....not so much.

[golden24boy]

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

ctrl+c, ctrl+v.....it was kobe,lebron, now is curry...man you need to stop living in the past...and live your live

[3ball]

Also, Curry has to be guarded tighter without the ball than anyone ever. MJ....not so much.


MJ scored far more points off-ball than PG Curry does, so you're wrong.

But for simplicity, let's assume Curry gets equal off-ball points to MJ - it's still only the FIRST season he's done so.. We all agree that Curry's offensive impact this season is near Jordan-level.. But again, this is his FIRST season matching Jordan and being the league's best scorer - he's got 9 more full seasons (in a row) to match Jordan overall.

Furthermore, MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against opponents that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

By what metric does Curry rank in bottom half defensively?


Any metric - let's take DPBM - his career mark of -0.6 would rank in the bottom half of PG's, SG's, or both for any season since the start of his career.

Also, the notion that Curry is an average to below average defender is common knowledge and the consensus among pundits, analysts and other fans.

[3ball]

let's ask dam lillard if he's worried about curry's defense :roll:

[ralph_i_el]

Because that's why I stopped watching - when I saw the game that I loved reduced to a drive-and-kick fest - I was disgusted and stopped watching..

When the game reaches a place where the most rational objective is to get a 3-pointer, then the game has begun to devolve.

I accepted this reality sooner than most posters and hoops fans.

Fans and pundits are ONLY NOW starting to realize the redundancy of today's game, where 3-pointers rule, thus nullifying 2-point skill.. Curry has made that shit obvious, so even casual fans get it.

But I noticed this shit in 2011... and when I discovered the world of internet posting around 2013, it was the perfect topic for me to post about.. check my handle

Dude doesn't even watch basketball:facepalm

What a joke

[ralph_i_el]

Any metric - let's take DPBM - his career mark of -0.6 would rank in the bottom half of PG's, SG's, or both for any season since the start of his career.

Also, the notion that Curry is an average to below average defender is common knowledge and the consensus among pundits, analysts and other fans.

He's much improved. He played most of those seasons next to Monta Ellis, meaning he got shafted defensively often. MJ had all time great defenders backing him up. Now Curry does too.....and his defensive numbers and now much better.

[3ball]

He's much improved. He played most of those seasons next to Monta Ellis, meaning he got shafted defensively often.

MJ had all time great defenders backing him up. Now Curry does too.....and his defensive numbers are now much better.


Regardless of help, Curry's numbers are middle-of-the-pack among guards, while Jordan's were league-best among guards, or top 3-4 every year.

MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
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[3ball]

Same way Mj would have guarded Karl malone.


MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[sdot_thadon]

MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
None of what you said pertains to my post. You expect Curry to defend 3 spots out of position when you didn't expect it from your fairy godmother. It's a moronic premise to begin with.

[3ball]

You expect Curry to defend 3 spots out of position


No, just have the capability to guard the other team's best perimeter player - Curry doesn't have this capability, while MJ did.

MJ could guard guys like Magic, Lebron or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[sdot_thadon]

No, just have the capability to guard the other team's best perimeter player - Curry doesn't have this capability, while MJ did.

MJ could guard guys like Magic, Lebron or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
Lebron doesn't fit the category of any of those guys mentioned, curry could defend any of those guys as well as MJ could defend prime lebron I'd think.

[IllegalD]

A grown ass man, most likely in his 40s, averaging thousands of posts per year arguing with 15 year olds trying to defend the legacy of a man who wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.


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:facepalm :lol :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

A grown ass man, most likely in his 40s, averaging thousands of posts per year arguing with 15 year olds trying to defend the legacy of a man who wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.


:biggums:

:facepalm :lol :roll:
Winner.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I like the pic in OP's post. But cmon man. Curry doesn't guard other elite PGs: CP3, Westbrook, Dame, and D Rose. Why would he guard any teams best perimeter player, including bigger guys? They have Iggy and Klay, two very good perimeter defenders do the dirty work.

[3ball]

Lebron doesn't fit the category of any of those guys mentioned, curry could defend any of those guys as well as MJ could defend prime lebron I'd think.


Lebron is a perimeter player and Curry can't guard perimeter players with size, while Jordan did (Magic, Drexler).

Jordan would lock Lebron down based on how Iggy performed because Iggy is 6'6" and 207 pounds - the same size as Jordan.. And even though he isn't nearly the defender Jordan was, he locked Lebron down easily, without even needing his teammates to double-team.

So contrary to your delusions, the most LIKELY scenario is that Jordan holds Lebron to the same percentages he had in 2015 Finals, or 2011 Finals, or 2007 Finals, or 2008 ECSF, or many more series where he was AIDS against far worse defenders than MJ.
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[3ball]

I like the pic in OP's post. But cmon man. Curry doesn't guard other elite PGs: CP3, Westbrook, Dame, and D Rose. Why would he guard any teams best perimeter player, including bigger guys? They have Iggy and Klay, two very good perimeter defenders do the dirty work.
It would help his team more if he COULD defend great perimeter players, especially those with size, like MJ did for his teams..

Therefore, MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It would help his team more if he COULD defend great perimeter players, especially those with size, like MJ did for his teams..
But why are you comparing him to Jordan? The greatest player of all time ...

[Straight_Ballin]

A grown ass man, most likely in his 40s, averaging thousands of posts per year arguing with 15 year olds trying to defend the legacy of a man who wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.


:biggums:

:facepalm :lol :roll:

3ball is the closest thing to a father they ever had.:oldlol:

Instead of getting ***** or focusing on things that a NORMAL 15-20 year old would do, they are on a message board trying to desperately seek the approval of the adults on here because they sure as hell aren't getting the attention that they need from the adults in their personal lives.

[IllegalD]

3ball is the closest thing to a father they ever had.:oldlol:

Instead of getting ***** or focusing on things that a NORMAL 15-20 year old would do, they are on a message board trying to desperately seek the approval of the adults on here because they sure as hell aren't getting the attention that they need from the adults in their personal lives.

:oldlol: :roll: :lol :yaohappy:

[GoSpursGo1984]

Will OP be a security guard his whole life living with his mom and leeching off of others. The answer is yes.

[Fallen Angel]

Because you are asking why Curry doesn't guard a guy who is 6+ inches taller and weighs 50+ pounds more, you idiot. You already got your shit pushed in when you were asked why Jordan didn't guard Malone, Barkley Ewing etc. You should have framed your topic better if you wanted it to be taken seriously. And who did you dominate? Nobody even takes you seriously...you're the board jester.
damn ether

[Jasper]

Its amazing how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of Curry as a shooter.

As a PG you are supposed to distribute the ball to your teammates.

Last night in the big game against OKC = 4 dimes.

How come posters don't talk about his ball hog , I will throw up a 30+ footer while the rest of the team does wind sprints :confusedshrug:

Please don't compare Big O who averaged 10 dimes to a player that seldom hits the mark as a PG.

[KobesFinger]

Its amazing how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of Curry as a shooter.

As a PG you are supposed to distribute the ball to your teammates.

Last night in the big game against OKC = 4 dimes.

How come posters don't talk about his ball hog , I will throw up a 30+ footer while the rest of the team does wind sprints :confusedshrug:

Please don't compare Big O who averaged 10 dimes to a player that seldom hits the mark as a PG.

I didn't watch the game but assists aren't a good way to judge whether someone is a ball hog for two reasons. 1) someone has to make the shot for it to be an assist, and 2) you can still be a ballhog and get assists e.g LeBron, Chris Paul, Rondo etc

[WorldWarriors]

Its amazing how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of Curry as a shooter.

As a PG you are supposed to distribute the ball to your teammates.

Last night in the big game against OKC = 4 dimes.

How come posters don't talk about his ball hog , I will throw up a 30+ footer while the rest of the team does wind sprints :confusedshrug:

Please don't compare Big O who averaged 10 dimes to a player that seldom hits the mark as a PG.

LOL You don't watch much Warriors.

They are a team who thrive on team assists. The way the team is constructed Curry doesn't have to be a traditional point guard. Because they have multiple ball handlers. He plays off the ball a lot as well. He's averaging close to 7 assists per game, while leading the league in scoring. That's pretty awesome.

[90sgoat]

Regardless of help, Curry's numbers are middle-of-the-pack among guards, while Jordan's were league-best among guards, or top 3-4 every year.

MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's, especially against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense).

Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
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3ball, you might want to look into Curry's horrible assist to turnover ratio.

[hold this L]

Its amazing how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of Curry as a shooter.

As a PG you are supposed to distribute the ball to your teammates.

Last night in the big game against OKC = 4 dimes.

How come posters don't talk about his ball hog , I will throw up a 30+ footer while the rest of the team does wind sprints :confusedshrug:

Please don't compare Big O who averaged 10 dimes to a player that seldom hits the mark as a PG.
Ahh yes Curry the ball hog. The one who leads the NBA in hockey assists by a monumental margin. And who do you benefits from this type of style? It couldn't be the Warriors that have by far the greatest assists per game compared to every other team? It couldn't possibly be Green who gets on 4v3s on a regular basis and is in 5th place in the NBA leading in assists? But I guess is 12th in assists this year and is obviously detrimental and Kobe-player averaging 19 shots per game.

Kerr needs to address this problem immediately. If it wasn't for Curry pulling the team down even though they're the best attacking team in the NBA, we wouldn't be seeing them as this team that every single reporter and journalists states plays the best team ball around. They're all idiots mate, you've found the recipe. He needs to be traded or it's all over for GS. It's because of Curry's bullshit ballhog mentality that the Warriors lost 5 games instead of leading 60-0 by now. :pimp:

[tpols]

Its amazing how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of Curry as a shooter.

As a PG you are supposed to distribute the ball to your teammates.

Last night in the big game against OKC = 4 dimes.

How come posters don't talk about his ball hog , I will throw up a 30+ footer while the rest of the team does wind sprints :confusedshrug:

Please don't compare Big O who averaged 10 dimes to a player that seldom hits the mark as a PG.

actually, curry leads the league in hockey assists by a large margin and got some last night as well.

what youre describing is a less sophisticated brand of basketball, one individual racking up assists leads to a more stagnant, and less effective style than a team that shares assists amongst one another. thats why the big O never won shit as da man

[ralph_i_el]

A grown ass man, most likely in his 40s, averaging thousands of posts per year arguing with 15 year olds trying to defend the legacy of a man who wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.


:biggums:

:facepalm :lol :roll:

#rektum

[riseagainst]

3ball getting his sh1t pushed again and again. Get rekt. Keep your butthole tight, 3ball.

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[Zach LaVine]

A grown ass man, most likely in his 40s, averaging thousands of posts per year arguing with 15 year olds trying to defend the legacy of a man who wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.


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