North Koreans are considered "Illegal Immigrants" if caught in China. Not refugees.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://youtu.be/sIwMy-NM0aQ?t=45m27s

They are then sent back to North Korea, the place which they tried to escape.

Sound familiar?

[Dresta]

Are you comparing North Korea to Mexico?

:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Are you comparing North Korea to Mexico?

:roll:
I'm comparing the policy - in a vacuum.

Not the countries.

Settle down.

[Dresta]

Good thing we don't live in a vacuum then. You settle down and stop peddling worthless abstractions to pursue a pretty obvious agenda. You're comparing two incomparable things.

[navy]

What is this nonsense?

People here illegally should be sent back to where they came from.

What are you arguing exactly?

[Andrew Wiggins]

Good thing we don't live in a vacuum then. You settle down and stop peddling worthless abstractions to pursue a pretty obvious agenda. You're comparing two incomparable things.

dude was probably so proud of himself making this thread, thinking he'd made some kind of brilliant observation.. :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

What is this nonsense?

People here illegally should be sent back to where they came from.

What are you arguing exactly?
What's the difference between a refugee, and and an illegal immigrant?

[Andrew Wiggins]

What's the difference between a refugee, and and an illegal immigrant?

are people in mexico living under some kind of dictatorship/totalitarian regime and not in democracy?

[CavaliersFTW]

dude was probably so proud of himself making this thread, thinking he'd made some kind of brilliant observation.. :roll:
Legal immigration, illegal immigration, and refugee.

All arbitrary designations made by people at various points in history who were no smarter than you or I.

I'm allowed to compare and call into question these constructs.

[CavaliersFTW]

are people in mexico living under some kind of dictatorship/totalitarian regime and not in democracy?
Is dictatorship/totalitarian regime status the difference maker in refugee vs illegal immigration status?

Do all people who try to escape North Korea have a tougher life than all people who try to escape Mexico?

[Andrew Wiggins]

Legal immigration, illegal immigration, and refugee.

All arbitrary designations made by people at various points in history who were no smarter than you or I.

I'm allowed to compare and call into question these constructs.

not really, a similar situation would be the US sending cubans entering the country back to cuba rather than granting them a track to citizenship upon entry in the us.

[navy]

What's the difference between a refugee, and and an illegal immigrant?
So I should be allowed to go to any country I want and take up residence? Take their welfare, eat their food, vote in their elections? :biggums:

[Andrew Wiggins]

Is dictatorship/totalitarian regime status the difference maker in refugee vs illegal immigration status?

Do all people who try to escape North Korea have a tougher life than all people who try to escape Mexico?

are you purposefully being obtuse or do you really not understand the difference between the two situations? having shitty living conditions isn't a sole determining factor for granting refuge.

[CavaliersFTW]

not really, a similar situation would be the US sending cubans entering the country back to cuba rather than granting them a track to citizenship upon entry in the us.
So this is a charity thing? We only help you if we feel you REALLY need it?

Are all Mexicans granted a greater life in Mexico than all Cubans? Or all North Koreans? Does this mean we should reject their attempts to leave their country? Where exactly, do you draw the line and why do you choose to draw it there?

[Dresta]

Refugee has a very distinct definition, and it isn't remotely similar to an economic migrant, legal or illegal. The term is needed to distinguish the two, and to help those who are actually facing intense persecution, the chance of facing torture or death at the hands of their government:

Refugee: "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster"

North Koreans qualify, Mexicans just looking to improve their lot do not. It's really quite simple. What is so hard to understand?

edit: the distinction is clearly needed, because the number of refugees is small, the number of potential economic migrants could be in the hundreds of millions, if not over a billion.

[StephHamann]

Wilt had sex with 20.000 women, and you are trying to tell me not a single gold digging hoe got pregnant, i call bullshit.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Refugee has a very distinct definition, and it isn't remotely similar to an economic migrant, legal or illegal. The term is needed to distinguish the two, and to help those who are actually facing intense persecution, the chance of facing torture or death at the hands of their government:

Refugee: "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster"

North Koreans qualify, Mexicans just looking to improve their lot do not. It's really quite simple. What is so hard to understand?

edit: the distinction is clearly needed, because the number of refugees is small, the number of potential economic migrants could be in the hundreds of millions, if not over a billion.
What about the ones escaping cartels?