MJ's 1989 vs. Lebron's 2009

[3ball]

Lebron's team lost in the playoffs as heavy favorites while Jordan won as heavy underdog, proving that Jordan's team played to full capacity while Lebron's team played undercapacity.

And we know that Lebron's supporting cast was far better - his supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games, while MJ's supporting cast only added enough help on top of his 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games.

The 19-game difference could only be because of 2 reasons: Lebron faced worse competition or had better supporting cast.

If you think that all 19 wins were due to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing vastly inferior competition..

Of course, the other alternative is that Lebron's supporting cast was better, in addition to the aforementioned weaker comp.. This of course, must be true.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, a stark contrast from MJ's young, lower-producing cast.. The Bulls' cast was so weak that MJ faced the "Jordan Rules", which was every-possession (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) double-teaming.
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[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron was better

[3ball]

Lebron was better
2009 was an obvious example of Lebron reducing the APG of a key teammate, while increasing their assisted rate (turning them from playmaker into play-finisher).

Mo Williams' APG declined from 6.3 to 4.1 in his first year with Lebron (2009), while his assisted rate increased from 34.4% to 46.6% .. Not surprisingly, his predictable play-finishing role no longer succeeded against the best playoff teams - he only shot 37% against Orlando.

Lebron turns ALL his key teammates into predictable play-finishers in this same fashion (lowers their APG and increases their assisted rate), so this kind of underperformance in the biggest playoff series has become STANDARD for Lebron's supporting cast..

Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Shumpert, JR Smith - all these guys were turned into predictable play-finishers and so none of them were capable of performing at their full capacity against the best teams in the Finals.
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[swagga]

Lebron's team lost in the playoffs as heavy favorites while Jordan won as heavy underdog, proving that Jordan's team played to full capacity while Lebron's team played undercapacity.

And we know that Lebron's supporting cast was far better - his supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games, while MJ's supporting cast only added enough help on top of his 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games.

The 19-game difference could only be because of 2 reasons: Lebron faced worse competition or had better supporting cast.

If you think that all 19 wins were due to worse competition, then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing vastly inferior competition..

Of course, the other alternative is that Lebron's supporting cast was better, in addition to the aforementioned weaker comp.. This of course, must be true.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, a stark contrast from MJ's young, lower-producing cast.. The Bulls' cast was so weak that MJ faced the "Jordan Rules", which was every-possession (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) double-teaming.
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http://media.riffsy.com/images/d14ed49a1bbed6c108cec0b902967eea/raw

[AintNoSunshine]

LOL at 49 wins. Goes to show MJ's all empty stat without Pippen

[plowking]

Lebron was comfortably better.

[LongLiveTheKing]

LeBron was better and it's not really close.

[Kblaze8855]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif

[AintNoSunshine]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif
:roll: :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif
:roll: :roll:

[Stringer Bell]

:oldlol:


You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif

[3ball]

Lebron was comfortably better.


Lebron produced less and underachieved with his team (lost to the Finals loser in ECF), while Jordan produced more and overachieved with his team (lost to Finals winner and atg team in ECF)

So by any standard, Jordan's season was better - he produced more than Lebron while exceeding all pundits expectations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRM99Srkvas&t=18m10s
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[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron produced less and underachieved with his team (lost to the Finals loser in ECF), while Jordan produced more and overachieved with his team (lost to Finals winner and atg team in 6 games).

So by any standard, Jordan's season was better - he produced more than Lebron while exceeding all pundits expectations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRM99Srkvas&t=18m10s

Just gonna pretend KBlaze's post isn't there huh :lol

[3ball]

I saw it but I didn't think it was worth responding to someone that took an hour out of their day to write a long, detailed, angry rant ABOUT my posts.

[3ball]

LeBron was better and it's not really close.


Lebron produced less and underachieved with his team (lost in ECF as big favorite to a nothing team), while Jordan produced more and overachieved with his team (lost in ECF as big underdog to all-time great team).

So by any standard, Jordan's season was better - he produced more than Lebron while exceeding all pundits expectations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRM99Srkvas&t=18m10s
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[3ball]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif

You're just mad at me because you aren't capable of using facts to arrive at logical conclusions like I did in the OP.

That post must have taken you 30+ minutes - and this is the 6th or 7th time you've taken that much time to make a long, involved anti-3ball post.. It's weak.





And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?


The only forum where I'm banned is realgm, who bans everyone - so stop slandering me with false statements.. Your 3ball obsession is out of control

[Pushxx]

That post must have taken you 30+ minutes - and this is the 6th or 7th time you've taken that much time to make a long, involved anti-3ball post.. It's weak.

...Your 3ball obsession is out of control...
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The irony.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Stopped reading this crap after OP said that Lebron in 2009 had a better supporting cast than Jordan did in 89. :oldlol: So I guess Mo Williams, Delonte West, and a washed up Illguaskas was a much better supporting cast that a young Scottie Pippen and a young Horace Grant.:oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ because stealing 2x games from undefeated Bad Boy Pistons at their peak. Plus, are we even going to compare the '89 Pistons to the 2009 Orlando Magic? Cavs might not have even got that far had KG never got injured. The Celtics that year were playing better than they had the season prior.

[Kvnzhangyay]

MJ because stealing 2x games from undefeated Bad Boy Pistons at their peak. Plus, are we even going to compare the '89 Pistons to the 2009 Orlando Magic? Cavs might not have even got that far had KG never got injured. The Celtics that year were playing better than they had the season prior.

I don't disagree with you completely, but 3ball is claiming that Bron's supporting cast was better than MJ's :biggums:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't disagree with you completely, but 3ball is claiming that Bron's supporting cast was better than MJ's :biggums:
Well 3ball is an obvious loon. I'd say they were about equal. Pippin and Grant were still green AF. Mo Williams milk carton disappearing act, and Mike Brown's inability to adapt to Orlando's small ball lineup of 2x stretch 4s in Hedo and Rashard is why we never got to enjoy the great late 2000s debate of Kobe vs LeBron in the Finals.

:(

[Young X]

You guys are so stupid. Lebron's supporting cast was better than MJ's. Pippen and Grant were in their 2nd seasons and were below average players still, the 2nd best player on the 1989 Bulls was probably Bill Cartwright. And as cool as it is to clown Mo Williams, he had a good season in 2009 and was an All-Star. The 1989 Bulls were complete trash outside of Jordan, no other above average players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mike in 1989

Better offensive player by default because of his shooting (midrange). As defenders, I would take MJ too because he was better man to man, not relying heavily on "highlight" blocks.

What's funny though is people legit think 2009 was LeBron @ his peak. With his ability to hit the midrange and three ball, I would roll w/ LeBron's 2013 and 2014 versions before I would 2009. Definitely.

[AirBonner]

Lebron's 2009.

[Kblaze8855]

An hour? Really? You think 5 links from the first page of search results and a couple paragraphs take me an hour? Ok...

New approach. Do you know what happens when someone reports a post? We get emailed. My phone chimes....I stop what im doing and look into it. Never know what it is. People post porn...risk peoples jobs if they post from work. I try to look into it. So...when you do this bullshit I get emails like this in the middle of watching a movie or working. Whatever. This is what I get:


This is the reason that the user gave:
Why is this moron not permabanned yet?


This is the reason that the user gave:
3ball spammed the same post three times ITT after deleting an earlier post that was the exact same thing. Will report all spam posts.



This is the reason that the user gave:
Still spamming spacing topics. Kblaze warned him about continuing to make these repetitive topics, 3ball hasn't listened.



This is the reason that the user gave:
How is this retard 3ball not banned yet?



This is the reason that the user gave:
what a surprise, more spam from 3ball. Copy and pasting the same comments and gifs in different threads. The guy is a repetitive robot.




This is the reason that the user gave:
Spam, 3ball keeps deleting his posts from earlier in a thread and then re-posting them to bump his thread. He does this all the time.



This is the reason that the user gave:
post #53. He deletes his own posts and then re-posts them to bump his terrible threads. He does this all the time and no one calls him out on it so I figured I'd submit a report. Is this not some form of spam?


Last guy was right. At a glance....at least 5 times in that one topic you deleted and reposted shit....

What you are doing...is causing dozens of brief interruptions in my day. Which is why the most annoying posters eventually get on my nerves.

Since you dont respond to explanations lets try this....

Im gonna countdown the times someone reports you and is correct. Starting from 10. The very next time you are banned for a day. At 8....a week. At 5....a month.

Get to 0 before 2017...forever.

How about that? 99% of posters have never had a post reported....once.

Im gonna let you have me open my phone and read an email about you 9 more times.

Which is 9 more than most get reported....ever.

I am here...mostly...to serve the people. The people who seem to hate you.

Since you dont respond to me trying to explain in only somewhat dickish fashion that you are bothering people....let me go full jackass and explain it like a powertripping jerk:


http://s10.postimg.org/7jvs4yfex/600px_Nextfridayberetta92_3.jpg


Say....another...motherucking word...and this shit is over.

[Hey Yo]

MJ because stealing 2x games from undefeated Bad Boy Pistons at their peak. Plus, are we even going to compare the '89 Pistons to the 2009 Orlando Magic? Cavs might not have even got that far had KG never got injured. The Celtics that year were playing better than they had the season prior.
So why did MJ appear to quit before game 5 even started?

The series was even at 2 apiece. It was quite possible the biggest game of his career to date and he flat out quit shooting the ball.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

[MiseryCityTexas]

You guys are so stupid. Lebron's supporting cast was better than MJ's. Pippen and Grant were in their 2nd seasons and were below average players still, the 2nd best player on the 1989 Bulls was probably Bill Cartwright. And as cool as it is to clown Mo Williams, he had a good season in 2009 and was an All-Star. The 1989 Bulls were complete trash outside of Jordan, no other above average players.

Mo benefited off of wide open looks from Lebron. Mo Williams making the All Star team is equivalant to BJ Armstrong making the All Star team:oldlol: Hell, Bill Cartwright at 31's still better than Mo Williams and Delonte West in 2009.:oldlol: People forgot that Bill was a top 10/20 center in the league before being traded to Chicago.:oldlol: Horace and Pippen were still better players.

[SamuraiSWISH]

So why did MJ appear to quit before game 5 even started?

The series was even at 2 apiece. It was quite possible the biggest game of his career to date and he flat out quit shooting the ball.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html
Collins asked him to play facilitator and not a scorer that game. Kind of how PJ asked Kobe to switch it up headed into the 2006 series vs Phoenix. And specifically the second half of game 7. And what does that have to do with MJ's performances directly leading to wins vs a team that would go undefeated otherwise in the playoffs and Finals?

[Straight_Ballin]

An hour? Really? You think 5 links from the first page of search results and a couple paragraphs take me an hour? Ok...

New approach. Do you know what happens when someone reports a post? We get emailed. My phone chimes....I stop what im doing and look into it. Never know what it is. People post porn...risk peoples jobs if they post from work. I try to look into it. So...when you do this bullshit I get emails like this in the middle of watching a movie or working.

So let me get this straight..... Lebron era generation who can't accept the fact that the man of their era was inferior to MJ are melting down and PM'ing you because their stupidity in the matter is causing 3ball to have to reiterate himself to get the same point across. Maybe if they understood even the most simplest, basic concepts they'd understand that MJ > Lebron, and stop refuting it, and that would enable 3ball to have to stop posting about it.

This is a simple cause/effect relationship.

Maybe it's just coincidence that those on this board who saw both MJ and Lebron play live clearly know who the better player is, as apposed to these 15-20 year olds who don't know any better and complain that they had to drop out of HS because they got bullied too much.

3ball helps to keep these 15-20 lebron stans that don't know shit in check and makes them squirm to the point where they run to you.

3ball is not the problem, the posters who don't understand that MJ > Lebron are the root of the problem. Get rid of them and your problem is solved. Simple solution to a simple problem.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Horace avg 12 and Pippen avg 14, yet they were really bad players in 89. :oldlol: **** outta here. That's still better than Delonte's 11 ppg.

[aquaadverse]

An hour? Really? You think 5 links from the first page of search results and a couple paragraphs take me an hour? Ok...

New approach. Do you know what happens when someone reports a post? We get emailed. My phone chimes....I stop what im doing and look into it. Never know what it is. People post porn...risk peoples jobs if they post from work. I try to look into it. So...when you do this bullshit I get emails like this in the middle of watching a movie or working. Whatever. This is what I get:






















Last guy was right. At a glance....at least 5 times in that one topic you deleted and reposted shit....

What you are doing...is causing dozens of brief interruptions in my day. Which is why the most annoying posters eventually get on my nerves.

Since you dont respond to explanations lets try this....

Im gonna countdown the times someone reports you and is correct. Starting from 10. The very next time you are banned for a day. At 8....a week. At 5....a month.

Get to 0 before 2017...forever.

How about that? 99% of posters have never had a post reported....once.

Im gonna let you have me open my phone and read an email about you 9 more times.

Which is 9 more than most get reported....ever.

I am here...mostly...to serve the people. The people who seem to hate you.

Since you dont respond to me trying to explain in only somewhat dickish fashion that you are bothering people....let me go full jackass and explain it like a powertripping jerk:


http://s10.postimg.org/7jvs4yfex/600px_Nextfridayberetta92_3.jpg


Say....another...motherucking word...and this shit is over.

Sadly, he'll just come back with an alt.

[Hey Yo]

Collins asked him to play facilitator and not a scorer that game. Kind of how PJ asked Kobe to switch it up headed into the 2006 series vs Phoenix. And specifically the second half of game 7. And what does that have to do with MJ's performances directly leading to wins vs a team that would go undefeated otherwise in the playoffs and Finals?
Because I find it hard to believe that a coach would ask his best and most effective scorer (with the series tied at 2 in game 5 of the ECF) to curtail his FGA by more than half, in the biggest game of the season to date.

What Kobe did was in the 1st round....not the WCF

[MiseryCityTexas]

Bulls would've made a couple of Finals appearances in the late 80s easily if it weren't for the Pistons standing in the way, and the Lakers would've won a championship in 89 if it weren't for Magic getting hurt.

[ShawkFactory]

So let me get this straight..... Lebron era generation who can't accept the fact that the man of their era was inferior to MJ are melting down and PM'ing you because their stupidity in the matter is causing 3ball to have to reiterate himself to get the same point across. Maybe if they understood even the most simplest, basic concepts they'd understand that MJ > Lebron, and stop refuting it, and that would enable 3ball to have to stop posting about it.

This is a simple cause/effect relationship.

Maybe it's just coincidence that those on this board who saw both MJ and Lebron play live clearly know who the better player is, as apposed to these 15-20 year olds who don't know any better and complain that they had to drop out of HS because they got bullied too much.

3ball helps to keep these 15-20 lebron stans that don't know shit in check and makes them squirm to the point where they run to you.

3ball is not the problem, the posters who don't understand that MJ > Lebron are the root of the problem. Get rid of them and your problem is solved. Simple solution to a simple problem.
For claiming to be as wise as you are, you really don't get simple things...

That or you just really love trolling. Either way, you're a tool.

[Hey Yo]

So let me get this straight..... Lebron era generation who can't accept the fact that the man of their era was inferior to MJ are melting down and PM'ing you because their stupidity in the matter is causing 3ball to have to reiterate himself to get the same point across. Maybe if they understood even the most simplest, basic concepts they'd understand that MJ > Lebron, and stop refuting it, and that would enable 3ball to have to stop posting about it.

This is a simple cause/effect relationship.

Maybe it's just coincidence that those on this board who saw both MJ and Lebron play live clearly know who the better player is, as apposed to these 15-20 year olds who don't know any better and complain that they had to drop out of HS because they got bullied too much.

3ball helps to keep these 15-20 lebron stans that don't know shit in check and makes them squirm to the point where they run to you.

3ball is not the problem, the posters who don't understand that MJ > Lebron are the root of the problem. Get rid of them and your problem is solved. Simple solution to a simple problem.
Look out folks. Straight_Tardin' is on a rescue mission..... ready to take one for his team.


http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n493/RapeFart/machete.png

[Straight_Ballin]

For claiming to be as wise as you are, you really don't get simple things...

That or you just really love trolling. Either way, you're a tool.

No, it is you that can't comprehend simple things. Just because something appears complex in nature to you, doesn't mean it's complex for those who are of greater intelligence than you. Such is the difference between someone like myself that has forgotten more concepts than you currently know.

Next time think before you post... or don't and continue to make arbitrary claims without any backing to support them.

[Stu Jackson]

op i love reading your posts on twoplustwoforums

the mods there who ban all your accounts there are bran loving haters

[Straight_Ballin]

op i love reading your posts on twoplustwoforums

the mods there who ban all your accounts there are bran loving haters

The guy I watched live from my era dominated his competition in the finals and went 6/6.

The guy that the bran lovers watched live got his ass handed to him and went 2/6.

It really is that simple.

It must really suck for these bran lover types once such simple realities set in... all that time they spent arguing with their betters (just wait till next year!!!!) only to come up short.

Most of them gave up hope and now stan Curry. What more can they really do? It's rather quite pathetic if you ask me.

[Stu Jackson]

The guy I watched live from my era dominated his competition in the finals and went 6/6.

The guy that the bran lovers watched live got his ass handed to him and went 2/6.

It really is that simple.

It must really suck for these bran lover types once such simple realities set in... all that time they spent arguing with their betters (just wait till next year!!!!) only to come up short.

Most of them gave up hope and now stan Curry. What more can they really do? It's rather quite pathetic if you ask me.
you are correct

posters like the op, you, sportingjames23, don dadda, lay down the facts and this instant gratification entitlement generation cries about it

op gets banned on twoplustwo every time he makes a new account because the mods there are COWARDS bowing down to millenials

SMH

[Straight_Ballin]

you are correct

posters like the op, you, sportingjames23, don dadda, lay down the facts and this instant gratification entitlement generation cries about it

op gets banned on twoplustwo every time he makes a new account because the mods there are COWARDS bowing down to millenials

SMH

I would be interested in getting the contact information from these so called "mods" at this site. They clearly don't realize that they are just making themselves look more uneducated by banning those who tell them MJ is GOAT.

It's just ridiculous to compare a guy who jumps teams to chase rings and makes a fool out of himself in doing so by coming up short in the process with a 2/6 finals record to someone like GOAT MJ.

If these people can't grasp such simple concepts as it applies to the sport of basketball, how can anyone expect them to grasp simple concepts that they encounter in their everyday lives? How can anyone expect them to ever amount to anything? I live very comfortably in today's ever challenging world and I attribute that to being able to discern fact from fiction.

[Stu Jackson]

I would be interested in getting the contact information from these so called "mods" at this site. They clearly don't realize that they are just making themselves look more uneducated by banning those who tell them MJ is GOAT.

It's just ridiculous to compare a guy who jumps teams to chase rings and makes a fool out of himself in doing so by coming up short in the process with a 2/6 finals record to someone like GOAT MJ.

If these people can't grasp such simple concepts as it applies to the sport of basketball, how can anyone expect them to grasp simple concepts that they encounter in their everyday lives?
the mods on twoplustwo are a joke there ive seen him banned at least twenty times

if you cant shut down kids 15-20 years old who have only seen 2/6 then youre a joke and shouldnt be a mod

the kids are dumb and dont know any better, posters like op need to educate them

[Kblaze8855]

Me 9 months ago:



Hes an odd combo of right conclusion and wrong evidence. Hes a math student who gets the right answer but cant show his work.

Hes most certainly an irritant...and an even worse spammer. I just feel torn because hes technically right.

On one hand....almost everyone is right about something. They dont make 18 topics a week about it.

On the other....is telling the truth with shitty evidence worse than people telling lies with shitty evidence?

I seem to ignore the people saying things they cant believe and supporting it like idiots....how do I ban him for saying things that are true and intellectually honest...because he supports it like an idiot?

Hes an awful and annoying poster who spams his technically correct opinion enough that he may need a little reeling in....but a longterm ban for the truth while we dont ban idiots for lying about believing absurd things just to get a reaction?

Nah. Not yet at least.





http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54d4056de0f97_-_omar-code.gif


Tried to ignore him....but there comes a point. And we are nearing it.

Even if you are telling me 2+2 is 4...you post it 10 thousand times and start annoying people with it you need to go. This is probably the last place that puts up with such things. You annoy enough people who then annoy me....

As I said...there comes a point.

[Straight_Ballin]

the mods on twoplustwo are a joke there ive seen him banned at least twenty times

if you cant shut down kids 15-20 years old who have only seen 2/6 then youre a joke and shouldnt be a mod

the kids are dumb and dont know any better, posters like op need to educate them

The irony is that people are running to mods on this site to complain about posts from someone that is trying to properly educate them in the first place! That's how mentally challenged they are! They don't even realize they are getting educated and that the education has to be geared in such a way that it comes off as spamming, when really 3ball has no choice to use such a technique because all other efforts have failed. It's difficult to educate the willingly ignorant.

[Stu Jackson]

The irony is that people are running to mods on this site to complain about posts from someone that is trying to properly educate them in the first place! That's how mentally challenged they are! They don't even realize they are getting educated! :lol
:lol

funny thing is michael would STILL be better than bran even if he never made the finals

0/0 is better than 2/6, michael just didnt know how to lose in the finals :lol

i challenge any of these 15-20 year old kids to prove otherwise

ANY team you put against michael in the finals he will win

[Straight_Ballin]

:lol

funny thing is michael would STILL be better than bran even if he never made the finals

0/0 is better than 2/6, michael just didnt know how to lose in the finals :lol

i challenge any of these 15-20 year old kids to prove otherwise

ANY team you put against michael in the finals he will win

6/6 is a big enough sample size to conclude that if MJ has a team good enough to get him to the finals, that he CANNOT lose. This simply cannot be refuted and there's no other player in the history of the game that you can say this about without 100% certainty because either there's not a big enough sample size, or they have lost in the finals at one point or another.

How blessed are these 20 year olds to be able to hear the testimonies of those who watched MJ play live?! Their kids will be so much less fortunate. Wtf are they gonna tell their kids? "ya... we watched a guy go 2/7 in the finals" :wtf:

The little kid is liable to go off the rails and slap his father across the ****ing face for even mentioning such a shitty finals record to him.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1253528075_dr-phil.gif

[Stu Jackson]

6/6 is a big enough sample size to conclude that if MJ has a team good enough to get him to the finals, that he CANNOT lose. This simply cannot be refuted and there's no other player in the history of the game that you can say this about without 100% certainty because either there's not a big enough sample size, or they have lost in the finals at one point or another.

How blessed are these 20 year olds to be able to hear the testimonies of those who watched MJ play live?! Their kids will be so much less fortunate. Wtf are you gonna tell them "ya... we watched a guy go 2/7 in the finals" :wtf:

The little kid is liable to go off the rails and slap his father across the ****ing face for even mentioning such a shitty finals record to him.
:lol

[Bankaii]

0/0 is better than 2/6
The alts on this forum aren't even funny.:sleeping
It's just kinda sad...:(

[Stu Jackson]

The alts on this forum aren't even funny.:sleeping
It's just kinda sad...:(
you must be a millenial :lol

go to twoplustwo or fakegm if you cant take it here where the op has gotten banned dozens of times because the millenials cant handle the truth

[SouBeachTalents]

6/6 is a big enough sample size to conclude that if MJ has a team good enough to get him to the finals, that he CANNOT lose. This simply cannot be refuted and there's no other player in the history of the game that you can say this about without 100% certainty because either there's not a big enough sample size, or they have lost in the finals at one point or another.

How blessed are these 20 year olds to be able to hear the testimonies of those who watched MJ play live?! Their kids will be so much less fortunate. Wtf are they gonna tell their kids? "ya... we watched a guy go 2/7 in the finals" :wtf:

The little kid is liable to go off the rails and slap his father across the ****ing face for even mentioning such a shitty finals record to him.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1253528075_dr-phil.gif

Havlicek went 8/8 in the Finals

[Straight_Ballin]

The alts on this forum aren't even funny.:sleeping
It's just kinda sad...:(

What's sad is that the man of your generation is 2/6. Go cry about it to other 15-20 year olds. Misery loves company.

[Bankaii]

you must be a millenial :lol

go to twoplustwo or fakegm if you cant take it here where the op has gotten banned dozens of times because the millenials cant handle the truth
Like I said, it's just sad.

[Straight_Ballin]

Havlicek went 8/8 in the Finals

I meant no other player who AS THE MAN went undefeated in the finals with a large sample size. Why do you think I didn't mention Pippen in my statement?

[Bankaii]

What's sad is that the man of your generation is 2/6. Go cry about it to other 15-20 year olds. Misery loves company.
Aren't you in your 40s?

Seriously I get on here in my downtime between classes.
You have thousands of posts that are nothing but trolling and you're a grown ass man. Get a life.

[Hey Yo]

you must be a millenial :lol

go to twoplustwo or fakegm if you cant take it here where the op has gotten banned dozens of times because the millenials cant handle the truth
3ball on the 2nd page:


The only forum where I'm banned is realgm, who bans everyone - so stop slandering me with false statements.. Your 3ball obsession is out of control

[Stu Jackson]

3ball on the 2nd page:
youre a hoe

[Straight_Ballin]

Aren't you in your 40s?

Seriously I get on here in my downtime between classes.
You have thousands of posts that are nothing but trolling and you're a grown ass man. Get a life.

Nope, I'm not even as old as Kobe. I only post on here on average of 4 times per day (check my profile), as a man of my 6 figure salary doesn't have the luxury and the free time of a college student. People like me don't make mistakes. We can't afford to because it means 1000's of jobs could potentially be lost. Yet here you are trying to argue with such a high level individual.

As I have stated in the past, it's not my problem that hat the man of your generation is 2/6. Go cry about it elsewhere because those who watched MJ live have no more sympathy left to hand out.

[aquaadverse]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/65486016.jpg

[Hey Yo]

I meant no other player who AS THE MAN went undefeated in the finals with a large sample size. Why do you think I didn't mention Pippen in my statement?
Russell won 8 straight w/o quitting the league for 2yrs

hold this L

[ShawkFactory]

No, it is you that can't comprehend simple things. Just because something appears complex in nature to you, doesn't mean it's complex for those who are of greater intelligence than you. Such is the difference between someone like myself that has forgotten more concepts than you currently know.

Next time think before you post... or don't and continue to make arbitrary claims without any backing to support them.
:facepalm

If you read over your posts you'll only realize that you're strengthening my argument.

That being that you're a knob

[Straight_Ballin]

Russell won 8 straight w/o quitting the league for 2yrs

hold this L

It's not anywhere as impressive to what MJ did.

The man of your generation is 2/6. The man of mine is 6/6, and that is why you will forever hold the L. It's that simple.


:facepalm

If you read over your posts you'll only realize that you're strengthening my argument.

That being that you're a knob

Arbitrary claims without any backing to support them. Thanks for strengthening what I already said about you.

[ShawkFactory]

It's not anywhere as impressive to what MJ did.

The man of your generation is 2/6. The man of mine is 6/6, and that is why you will forever hold the L. It's that simple.



Arbitrary claims without any backing to support them. Thanks for strengthening what I already said about you.
:oldlol:

You support them for me dude.

That's what I just said...

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not anywhere as impressive to what MJ did.

The man of your generation is 2/6. The man of mine is 6/6, and that is why you will forever hold the L. It's that simple.

So a homeless man that grew up in the Jordan/'90's era is automatically more successful than any human being from the LeBron/'10's era?

[Hey Yo]

It's not anywhere as impressive to what MJ did.

The man of your generation is 2/6. The man of mine is 6/6, and that is why you will forever hold the L. It's that simple.
Bill won 8 straight.

That means Bill didn't quit the league "in his prime" during that 8yr run. He defended those titles 7x w/o quitting the league for 2yrs like MJ did.

Even though he lost the following year, stopping Boston's run, at least he "attempted" to defend his title w/o quitting the league...which MJ did "twice" during his 2 separate runs.

[Straight_Ballin]

Bill won 8 straight.

That means Bill didn't quit the league "in his prime" during that 8yr run. He defended those titles 7x w/o quitting the league for 2yrs like MJ did.

Even though he lost the following year, stopping Boston's run, at least he "attempted" to defend his title w/o quitting the league...which MJ did "twice" during his 2 separate runs.

Wrong, his wins are not as impressive as MJ's and it's well documented. In addition to having fewer teams, there were fewer playoff rounds and the top teams (like the Celtics) often got first round byes. Whereas Jordan had to win 15 playoff games to win a title (and often play upwards of 20 games or more), Russell played between 10 and 14 games to win each of his first eight championships.

By playing fewer postseason games, combined with shorter NBA seasons, this gave Russell a distinct advantage in durability over Jordan in accumulating wear and tear.

Russell

[Hey Yo]

Give me the guy who wasn't afraid of defending his 8 straight titles "in his prime"...... >>> the guy that was afraid to defend his 3rd straight title "in his prime" by deciding to quit on his championship teammates, coach and franchise.

[Straight_Ballin]

Give me the guy who wasn't afraid of defending his 8 straight titles "in his prime"...... >>> the guy that was afraid to defend his 3rd straight title "in his prime" by deciding to quit on his championship teammates, coach and franchise.

Afraid was it? :lol
He was bored and felt unchallenged, so he left. When things started looking more challenging, he came back and repeated what he did the first time, and then left again. That's called shitting on an entire sport. The result?

GOAT status.

Now show me one legitimate top 10 listing that has Russel above MJ.
When I picture an NBA fan like yourself from the bron era I see and individual that is stuck on shore, looking out to sea for a ship that set sail long ago, pondering what it might have been like to be aboard such greatness.

[Lebron23]

Lebron James

[pauk]

So let me get this straight 3ball...

09 Lebron made identical performance as 89 Jordan in a series but...

Lebron lost it

Jordan won it

=

Lebron lost it because his teammates were better & because he faced worse competition.

Jordan won it because his teammares are worse & because he faced better competition.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/durr.gif

[Stu Jackson]

So let me get this straight 3ball...

09 Lebron made identical performance as 89 Jordan in a series but...

Lebron lost it

Jordan won it

=

Lebron lost it because his teammates were better & because he faced worse competition.

Jordan won it because his teammares are worse & because he faced better competition.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/durr.gif
what happened to that shooting video

you obese ****

your family died fighting for you and instead of making the best of your situation you become a fat ****

we can see the deleted posts too where youve admitted to torturing small animals

stay mad 2/7 :lol

[pauk]

what happened to that shooting video

you obese ****

your family died fighting for you and instead of making the best of your situation you become a fat ****

we can see the deleted posts too where youve admitted to torturing small animals

stay mad 2/7 :lol

wtf!!!??

[3ball]

I get emails like this in the middle of watching a movie or working. Whatever. This is what I get:


You're a fool if you think I care about ignoramus posters complaining about me.

A fool.....

i LIKE that they complain.. dumbass





Im gonna countdown the times someone reports you and is correct. Starting from 10. The very next time you are banned for a day. At 8....a week. At 5....a month.

Say....another...motherucking word...and this shit is over.


I could care less if you ban me clown.. You don't control how I post on the forum.. I post what I want, when I want.

There are plenty of other forums bigger than this one, that I haven't frequented in a while..

No loser mod is going to dictate anything to me, especially not a moderator that keeps making long-ass posts about me because I'm in his head rent free.. :rolleyes:

[Stu Jackson]

You're a fool if you think I care about ignoramus posters complaining about me.

A fool.....

i LIKE that they complain.. dumbass



I could care less if you ban me clown.. You don't control how I post on the forum.. I post what I want, when I want.

There are plenty of other forums bigger than this one, that I haven't frequented in a while..

No loser mod is going to dictate anything to me, especially not a moderator that keeps making long-ass posts about me because I'm in his head rent free.. :rolleyes:
you need to come back to twoplustwo

the mods there are TERRIFIED of you

[Stu Jackson]

wtf!!!??
ja znam gdje

[Kblaze8855]

You don't control how I post on the forum.. I post what I want, when I want.


Apparently not.

[nba_55]

Apparently not.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Apparently not.
http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/boom-goes-the-dynamite-geeksandcleats.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Afraid was it? :lol
He was bored and felt unchallenged, so he left. When things started looking more challenging, he came back and repeated what he did the first time, and then left again. That's called shitting on an entire sport. The result?

GOAT status.
LOL @ your half ass excuses.

It's called...shitting on your teammates and owner by choosing to quit the league, instead of defending your 3rd straight title.

8 straight titles as the man >>> 3 straight, quitting in your prime, then comeback 2yrs later , win 3 more and then proceed to quit again w/o continuing to defend.

[Stu Jackson]

LOL @ your half ass excuses.

It's called...shitting on your teammates and owner by choosing to quit the league, instead of defending your 3rd straight title.

8 straight titles as the man >>> 3 straight, quitting in your prime, then comeback 2yrs later , win 3 more and then proceed to quit again w/o continuing to defend.
2/7 :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

LOL @ your half ass excuses.

It's called...shitting on your teammates and owner by choosing to quit the league, instead of defending your 3rd straight title.

8 straight titles as the man >>> 3 straight, quitting in your prime, then comeback 2yrs later , win 3 more and then proceed to quit again w/o continuing to defend.

No, shitting on your teammates and owner is what Lebron did to Cleveland. Then he only went 2/4 in Miami. :lol

What a joke

Now go show me one legitimate list where MJ isn't > Russel. Your little opinion that MJ leaving has any impact on him being ranked as GOAT is laughable.

We'll wait while you try and back peddle your way out of this.

:sleeping

[Funktion]

Rest in Peace OP

[warriorfan]

http://s30.postimg.org/let5r415t/Free_The_Three.jpg

PM me while supplies last

[Pushxx]

3ball throws so much of his shit all over the walls and just sees what sticks.

The worst is when there's an otherwise great thread and he just pastes a random rant he's said 5 times already. Even stupider because the rant doesn't even relate 1% to the topic. If he had a little restraint...but it's too late for this dude. He's just an annoying bitch. Good riddance.

He's a disgrace to MJ and disrespectful to Kobe, Bron, Bird, Pippen, etc. He's the ultimate dipshit.

[Zach LaVine]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif
:roll:

[Zach LaVine]

I saw it but I didn't think it was worth responding to someone that took an hour out of their day to write a long, detailed, angry rant ABOUT my posts.
I guess copy and paste saves you the hour on your long posts.

[Zach LaVine]

An hour? Really? You think 5 links from the first page of search results and a couple paragraphs take me an hour? Ok...

New approach. Do you know what happens when someone reports a post? We get emailed. My phone chimes....I stop what im doing and look into it. Never know what it is. People post porn...risk peoples jobs if they post from work. I try to look into it. So...when you do this bullshit I get emails like this in the middle of watching a movie or working. Whatever. This is what I get:






















Last guy was right. At a glance....at least 5 times in that one topic you deleted and reposted shit....

What you are doing...is causing dozens of brief interruptions in my day. Which is why the most annoying posters eventually get on my nerves.

Since you dont respond to explanations lets try this....

Im gonna countdown the times someone reports you and is correct. Starting from 10. The very next time you are banned for a day. At 8....a week. At 5....a month.

Get to 0 before 2017...forever.

How about that? 99% of posters have never had a post reported....once.

Im gonna let you have me open my phone and read an email about you 9 more times.

Which is 9 more than most get reported....ever.

I am here...mostly...to serve the people. The people who seem to hate you.

Since you dont respond to me trying to explain in only somewhat dickish fashion that you are bothering people....let me go full jackass and explain it like a powertripping jerk:


http://s10.postimg.org/7jvs4yfex/600px_Nextfridayberetta92_3.jpg


Say....another...motherucking word...and this shit is over.
Yes! :applause:

I'm reading through this thread for the first time and seeing how great it is.

[Zach LaVine]

i LIKE that they complain.. dumbass


You don't see the problem? We know that you are a troll, so of course you like to see people complain.

[hateraid]

No, shitting on your teammates and owner is what Lebron did to Cleveland. Then he only went 2/4 in Miami. :lol

What a joke

Now go show me one legitimate list where MJ isn't > Russel. Your little opinion that MJ leaving has any impact on him being ranked as GOAT is laughable.

We'll wait while you try and back peddle your way out of this.

:sleeping

Nothing is definitive.

3ball is a looney tune. But at least tries to be creative. Straight Ballin is an even worse MJ stan to the utmost degree. He takes his obsession too far to where he resorts to personal insults and bullying. He makes up a false persona and uses it to belittle people. What is he? 35, 40, 50? Because he's used all of the above. Married? Girlfriend? Player? Used all those too. Pretends to have a 6 figure job and feels that's his form of credibility. If 3ball is disruptive, then straight ballin is a living cancer

Kblaze, ban this dipshit too

[Mr. Jabbar]

The only forum where I'm banned is realgm

time to update that list bro :roll:

[Myth]

I may consider being a regular poster again if banning trolls like this became a more common place on ISH.

[hateraid]

I may consider being a regular poster again if banning trolls like this became a more common place on ISH.

See what happens when ISH gets it's forum back? Good posters become regular again

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nothing is definitive.

3ball is a looney tune. But at least tries to be creative. Straight Ballin is an even worse MJ stan to the utmost degree. He takes his obsession too far to where he resorts to personal insults and bullying. He makes up a false persona and uses it to belittle people. What is he? 35, 40, 50? Because he's used all of the above. Married? Girlfriend? Player? Used all those too. Pretends to have a 6 figure job and feels that's his form of credibility. If 3ball is disruptive, then straight ballin is a living cancer

Kblaze, ban this dipshit too

Word.

I actually don't mind 3ball because at least he talks basketball, coming up with cool gifs and whatnot.

straightballen or whatever rambles on about having the "privilege to watch mj" while thanking his stars that he isn't a "millennial". F*ckin psycho scribbling whatever sticks with his crayon. :oldlol:

[Myth]

See what happens when ISH gets it's forum back? Good posters become regular again
:cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Apparently not.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[hateraid]

Word.

I actually don't mind 3ball because at least he talks basketball, coming up with cool gifs and whatnot.

straightballen or whatever rambles on about having the "privilege to watch mj" while thanking his stars that he isn't a "millennial". F*ckin psycho scribbling whatever sticks with his crayon. :oldlol:

Here's a great example of a poster who's turned it around and has been great representative of MJ fans. If he can't even stand straight ballin's BS then you know the dude has got to go.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Here's a great example of a poster who's turned it around and has been great representative of MJ fans. If he can't even stand straight ballin's BS then you know the dude has got to go.

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit being a dick to posters who argued something I vehemently disagreed with. But I've come to gradually understand people can agree to disagree while building together in said discussion. I've even entertained 'Wilt = GOAT' talks when in the past I would have railed on someone for even suggesting it. :lol

Still, as big of an MJ fan I was and still am today, never did I embarrass myself like this straightballen clown does REPEATEDLY in threads. The nutjub, along with 3ball, managed to turn casual Jordan fans into haters on here. Never seen anything like it.

[ralph_i_el]

Wrong, his wins are not as impressive as MJ's and it's well documented. In addition to having fewer teams,


stop right there....

fewer teams means more talent concentrated on those teams.

Unlike a certain weak expansion era.....

[Straight_Ballin]

These are all lists based on a writers perspective. Some of which will put MJ on the top to appease the masses or physcos like you who may commit suicide if you saw another name on top. I'll be the first to admit, Jordan is the GENERAL consensus. But for a list to be definitive if 1,000,000 people were to vote on who the greatest in their opinion is then 1,000,000 people should have the same answer. But obsessed people like you don't see that logic, you live in your fantasy world.

As Kuniva_dAMiGhTy says, you can agree to disagree and it makes this place much more pleasurable. You become respected. You chose to go the other way. Now look at yourself. You're deceitful, bitter, resentful, and highly looked down upon. All in the name of defending a person who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. You are the lowest of the low on here. I'm sure if ISH were to vote to save 3ball and get rid of you it would be a DEFINITIVE yes

If there is a reputable top 10 list that doesn't contain MJ in the #1 spot, I'd certainly love to see it. Jordan is not definitive, but until someone else takes his spot as the general consensus, the opinion of the majority is nothing to take lightly.

When I read the opinions about myself from a random person on an internet message board filled with trolls and then compare it to the real world perception of myself, I can't help but just laugh. I have a hard time believing that you actually think I care about how this user name is perceived on a basketball forum filled with trolls. Chose to go the other way? Your damn right I did. Someone like myself who wakes up happy and goes to bed happy every single day has the ability to do so. Obviously if Jeff wanted this to be a site about serious basketball discussion, he would not allow some 20 year old to have 20+ accounts and talk to himself on a daily basis on here. I find this absolutely hilarious and I support Jeff's decision. You're living in a dream world if you think this board will ever revert back to what it once was. Now if you want to have an intelligent conversation about basketball on a different message board, I'd be happy to accommodate you but this place is not the setting for such conversations.

[riseagainst]

3ball got ethered once again.

Just stop posting bruh, you are embarrassing yourself.

:lol

[hateraid]

If there is a reputable top 10 list that doesn't contain MJ in the #1 spot, I'd certainly love to see it. Jordan is not definitive, but until someone else takes his spot as the general consensus, the opinion of the majority is nothing to take lightly.

When I read the opinions about myself from a random person on an internet message board filled with trolls and then compare it to the real world perception of myself, I can't help but just laugh. I have a hard time believing that you actually think I care about how this user name is perceived on a basketball forum filled with trolls. Chose to go the other way? Your damn right I did. Someone like myself who wakes up happy and goes to bed happy every single day has the ability to do so. Obviously if Jeff wanted this to be a site about serious basketball discussion, he would not allow some 20 year old to have 20+ accounts and talk to himself on a daily basis on here. I find this absolutely hilarious and I support Jeff's decision. You're living in a dream world if you think this board will ever revert back to what it once was. Now if you want to have an intelligent conversation about basketball on a different message board, I'd be happy to accommodate you but this place is not the setting for such conversations.

I have a hard time believing that. If you didn't care so much then why do you repeatedly have to remind people how allegedly successful you are in life? 3ball appears to not give a **** about it because he doesn't have to resort to bringing up materialistic shit unlike yourself. The word that describes this is insecurity and you are presenting all the classic signs of it. If you don't care about what people think are you are truly happy with your "real world" stuff then there is no need for the constant reminders.

What makes it even worse is you can't even get your story straight which leads people to believe you're a fraud. What's the point of posting false information to give yourself credibility? All in all that makes you delusional and it's very unhealthy. You should be lucky to get banned otherwise your should voluntarily retire for your own health

[Ranked 12th]

Word.

I actually don't mind 3ball because at least he talks basketball, coming up with cool gifs and whatnot.

straightballen or whatever rambles on about having the "privilege to watch mj" while thanking his stars that he isn't a "millennial". F*ckin psycho scribbling whatever sticks with his crayon. :oldlol:

:lol :roll:

[Ranked 12th]

Good to finally see all the trolls gone...

[Straight_Ballin]

I have a hard time believing that. If you didn't care so much then why do you repeatedly have to remind people how allegedly successful you are in life? 3ball appears to not give a **** about it because he doesn't have to resort to bringing up materialistic shit unlike yourself. The word that describes this is insecurity and you are presenting all the classic signs of it. If you don't care about what people think are you are truly happy with your "real world" stuff then there is no need for the constant reminders.

What makes it even worse is you can't even get your story straight which leads people to believe you're a fraud. What's the point of posting false information to give yourself credibility? All in all that makes you delusional and it's very unhealthy. You should be lucky to get banned otherwise your should voluntarily retire for your own health

If you are going to make a baseless claim, at least do some research on what you are claiming. First of all, I think there is maybe 3-4 threads out of all my posts where I even mention these "constant reminders" that you refer to, and those post were to prove a point. Someone who is insecure would be constantly mentioning it, which isn't the case. You are confusing other posters accusations as my stories. Trust me when I tell you that I'm quite content, and this troll message board where I post a mere 4 posts per day is being taken wayyyyy to seriously by posters like yourself that think this place is anything more than that.

[Straight_Ballin]

dude is already infesting other forums with his nonsense.

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635585-lebron-turns-teammates-into-play-finishers-its-called-lebron-ball.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635593-todays-3-pt-shooting-spacing-allows-players-face-less-strongside-defenders.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635577-todays-high-level-3-point-attempts-achieved-via-pnr-drive-kick.html

this guy is a psycho. Please dont ever unban this guy

Why are you letting 3ball live in your mind rent free? Did you seriously just go looking on google for his posts on other message boards and take the time to post those links here? :lol

[ralph_i_el]

Why are you letting 3ball live in your mind rent free? Did you seriously just go looking on google for his posts on other message boards and take the time to post those links here? :lol

Hierarchy of losers

1. 3Ball (gets banned for being an obsessive douche.....goes to other places to spread his obsession)

2. You (sticks around defending 3Ball, acting like a total asshole to everyone)
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10,000,000,000. Big Cheese, for finding these hilarious links of 3Ball being crazy on other parts of the internet.

[ballinhun8]

Was lebron that good in 09?


Nothing really stands out other than his shot against ORL to me during that year.

In 89 I was barely two so I don't really know what MJ did besides, The Shot. But I mean if you have a Title for a game that you played in then I'm sure it was pretty memorable.

[Hey Yo]

No, shitting on your teammates and owner is what Lebron did to Cleveland. Then he only went 2/4 in Miami. :lol

What a joke
LeBron left as a UFA......MJ quit right in the middle of his contract


Now go show me one legitimate list where MJ isn't > Russel. Your little opinion that MJ leaving has any impact on him being ranked as GOAT is laughable.

We'll wait while you try and back peddle your way out of this.
I never said Russell was better. You said no one can stack up to MJ's 6 rings in 6 Finals.

I said Russell got 8 in 8 finals, but Bill got his in consecutive years to where MJ needed to quit for a few years in between his titles.

By your criteria .....Bill > MJ

[HoopologyPhD]

3Ball is Jeff...

[ballinhun8]

LeBron left as a UFA......MJ quit right in the middle of his contract


I never said Russell was better. You said no one can stack up to MJ's 6 rings in 6 Finals.

I said Russell got 8 in 8 finals, but Bill got his in consecutive years to where MJ needed to quit for a few years in between his titles.

By your criteria .....Bill > MJ


I think you need to look up the direction of "quit"

Example- lebron quit on Cleveland in the 2010 ECSF
Jordan retired after a 3-peat

[Nilocon165]

Enjoy the ban 3ball:applause:

[Hey Yo]

I think you need to look up the direction of "quit"

Example- lebron quit on Cleveland in the 2010 ECSF
Jordan retired after a 3-peat
LeBron put up 27-19-10 in a must win playoff game = quitting??

Retirement doesn't = taking 17mos. off, then coming back. It's called quitting in the middle of your contract and then coming back.

[ShawkFactory]

LeBron put up 27-19-10 in a must win playoff game = quitting??

Retirement doesn't = taking 17mos. off, then coming back. It's called quitting in the middle of your contract and then coming back.
Dude, stop bringing up the numbers like a fvckface.

You were watching when that happened (I guess..?), and you couldn't see that lebron just had an amazing disconnect after game 3?

They were up 2-1 and lebron was dominating. All of a sudden..not so much

[kshutts1]

You made this topic already:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383377

And im in that topic pointing out that you had already done it....


And you have made essentially that first post dozens of times in topics like this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384304&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380339&page=9

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386300&page=3

and

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396448&page=2
And im not exaggerating for emphasis. Its dozens of times. If you look for how many times you said "Added enough help" it leads to dozens of times you made this same argument. No less than 3 dozen times...and you repeat yourself over and over in each argument. Meaning you have essentially done this....100 times or more.

When you have nothing left to say....saying nothing is an option. Also....finding new subjects. Also a viable option.

Repeating yourself thousands of times is....less advised. Im sure everyone has fundamentally repeated the same points at times. Lots of times even. You are word for word posting copies of whole points and making new topics to do it again and again and again. And you wonder why forums get rid of you? Have you any idea how many requests we get to ban you forever?

Just....try....to think of a somewhat fresh idea when you make a new topic. Somewhat. Just like...not totally rotten beyond all reason.

You are pulling topics out from behind the couch like Homer and that big sandwich.


http://download.nliveris.com/randomphotos/simpsons/Homer-Sandwich1.jpg


We cant just watch you kill yourself

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_263,w_350/t_mp_quality_gif/efs27qn0anr0ffignehe/6-of-the-best-hidden-jokes-in-the-simpsons-387191.gif
This deserves to be in the ISH Slays thread

[Pushxx]

dude is already infesting other forums with his nonsense.

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635585-lebron-turns-teammates-into-play-finishers-its-called-lebron-ball.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635593-todays-3-pt-shooting-spacing-allows-players-face-less-strongside-defenders.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635577-todays-high-level-3-point-attempts-achieved-via-pnr-drive-kick.html

this guy is a psycho. Please dont ever unban this guy

:roll: :roll:

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron put up 27-19-10 in a must win playoff game = quitting??

Retirement doesn't = taking 17mos. off, then coming back. It's called quitting in the middle of your contract and then coming back.

And when MJ came back, he brought the city of Chicago 3 more rings.:lol

Lebron came back, and Cleveland has won ZERO rings and he will never bring a ring to Cleveland.

[sportjames23]

dude is already infesting other forums with his nonsense.

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635585-lebron-turns-teammates-into-play-finishers-its-called-lebron-ball.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635593-todays-3-pt-shooting-spacing-allows-players-face-less-strongside-defenders.html

http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-forum/635577-todays-high-level-3-point-attempts-achieved-via-pnr-drive-kick.html

this guy is a psycho. Please dont ever unban this guy


Damn, they have a stickied MJ/Kobe/Lebron thread there. Haven't some here been calling for a thread like that? :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Damn, they have a stickied MJ/Kobe/Lebron thread there. Haven't some here been calling for a thread like that? :oldlol:

All this site needs is a search feature. If it had that, there wouldn't be duplicate threads of the same shit. More threads of the same shit means more activity, so Jeff dropped the search feature.

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]So let me get this straight..... Lebron era generation who can't accept the fact that the man of their era was inferior to MJ are melting down and PM'ing you because their stupidity in the matter is causing 3ball to have to reiterate himself to get the same point across. Maybe if they understood even the most simplest, basic concepts they'd understand that MJ > Lebron, and stop refuting it, and that would enable 3ball to have to stop posting about it.

This is a simple cause/effect relationship.

Maybe it's just coincidence that those on this board who saw both MJ and Lebron play live clearly know who the better player is, as apposed to these 15-20 year olds who don't know any better and complain that they had to drop out of HS because they got bullied too much.

3ball helps to keep these 15-20 lebron stans that don't know shit in check and makes them squirm to the point where they run to you.

3ball is not the problem, the posters who don't understand that MJ > Lebron are the root of the problem. Get rid of them and your problem is solved. Simple solution to a simple problem.

No, it is you that can't comprehend simple things. Just because something appears complex in nature to you, doesn't mean it's complex for those who are of greater intelligence than you. Such is the difference between someone like myself that has forgotten more concepts than you currently know.

Next time think before you post... or don't and continue to make arbitrary claims without any backing to support them.

The guy I watched live from my era dominated his competition in the finals and went 6/6.

The guy that the bran lovers watched live got his ass handed to him and went 2/6.

It really is that simple.

It must really suck for these bran lover types once such simple realities set in... all that time they spent arguing with their betters (just wait till next year!!!!) only to come up short.

Most of them gave up hope and now stan Curry. What more can they really do? It's rather quite pathetic if you ask me.

I would be interested in getting the contact information from these so called "mods" at this site. They clearly don't realize that they are just making themselves look more uneducated by banning those who tell them MJ is GOAT.

It's just ridiculous to compare a guy who jumps teams to chase rings and makes a fool out of himself in doing so by coming up short in the process with a 2/6 finals record to someone like GOAT MJ.

If these people can't grasp such simple concepts as it applies to the sport of basketball, how can anyone expect them to grasp simple concepts that they encounter in their everyday lives? How can anyone expect them to ever amount to anything? I live very comfortably in today's ever challenging world and I attribute that to being able to discern fact from fiction.

The irony is that people are running to mods on this site to complain about posts from someone that is trying to properly educate them in the first place! That's how mentally challenged they are! They don't even realize they are getting educated and that the education has to be geared in such a way that it comes off as spamming, when really 3ball has no choice to use such a technique because all other efforts have failed. It's difficult to educate the willingly ignorant.

6/6 is a big enough sample size to conclude that if MJ has a team good enough to get him to the finals, that he CANNOT lose. This simply cannot be refuted and there's no other player in the history of the game that you can say this about without 100% certainty because either there's not a big enough sample size, or they have lost in the finals at one point or another.

How blessed are these 20 year olds to be able to hear the testimonies of those who watched MJ play live?! Their kids will be so much less fortunate. Wtf are they gonna tell their kids? "ya... we watched a guy go 2/7 in the finals" :wtf:

The little kid is liable to go off the rails and slap his father across the ****ing face for even mentioning such a shitty finals record to him.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1253528075_dr-phil.gif

What's sad is that the man of your generation is 2/6. Go cry about it to other 15-20 year olds. Misery loves company.

I meant no other player who AS THE MAN went undefeated in the finals with a large sample size. Why do you think I didn't mention Pippen in my statement?

Nope, I'm not even as old as Kobe. I only post on here on average of 4 times per day (check my profile), as a man of my 6 figure salary doesn't have the luxury and the free time of a college student. People like me don't make mistakes. We can't afford to because it means 1000's of jobs could potentially be lost. Yet here you are trying to argue with such a high level individual.

As I have stated in the past, it's not my problem that hat the man of your generation is 2/6. Go cry about it elsewhere because those who watched MJ live have no more sympathy left to hand out.

It's not anywhere as impressive to what MJ did.

The man of your generation is 2/6. The man of mine is 6/6, and that is why you will forever hold the L. It's that simple.



Arbitrary claims without any backing to support them. Thanks for strengthening what I already said about you.

Wrong, his wins are not as impressive as MJ's and it's well documented. In addition to having fewer teams, there were fewer playoff rounds and the top teams (like the Celtics) often got first round byes. Whereas Jordan had to win 15 playoff games to win a title (and often play upwards of 20 games or more), Russell played between 10 and 14 games to win each of his first eight championships.

By playing fewer postseason games, combined with shorter NBA seasons, this gave Russell a distinct advantage in durability over Jordan in accumulating wear and tear.

Russell

[aj1987]

The general of the Jordan army isn't going anywhere.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400692

Regarding MJ, nothing is definitive but here's all you need to know. Feel free to share these links with your brother so that he can discuss them with you.

SLAM 500 Greatest NBA Players of All Time | Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html)
Top 50 Greatest NBA Players Of All-Time: Where Jordan, Kobe, LeBron And Bird Land On The Basketball List (http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638)
Today’s sports post: The top 50 NBA players of all time [With Comment by John] | Power Line (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/02/todays-sports-post-the-top-50-nba-players-of-all-time.php)
The 10 Greatest Basketball Players of All Time | Britannica.com (http://www.britannica.com/list/the-10-greatest-basketball-players-of-all-time)
50 Greatest NBA Players of All Time (http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2015/08/18/50-greatest-nba-players-of-all-time/)

If there is a reputable top 10 list that doesn't contain MJ in the #1 spot, I'd certainly love to see it. Jordan is not definitive, but until someone else takes his spot as the general consensus, the opinion of the majority is nothing to take lightly.

When I read the opinions about myself from a random person on an internet message board filled with trolls and then compare it to the real world perception of myself, I can't help but just laugh. I have a hard time believing that you actually think I care about how this user name is perceived on a basketball forum filled with trolls. Chose to go the other way? Your damn right I did. Someone like myself who wakes up happy and goes to bed happy every single day has the ability to do so. Obviously if Jeff wanted this to be a site about serious basketball discussion, he would not allow some 20 year old to have 20+ accounts and talk to himself on a daily basis on here. I find this absolutely hilarious and I support Jeff's decision. You're living in a dream world if you think this board will ever revert back to what it once was. Now if you want to have an intelligent conversation about basketball on a different message board, I'd be happy to accommodate you but this place is not the setting for such conversations.

If you are going to make a baseless claim, at least do some research on what you are claiming. First of all, I think there is maybe 3-4 threads out of all my posts where I even mention these "constant reminders" that you refer to, and those post were to prove a point. Someone who is insecure would be constantly mentioning it, which isn't the case. You are confusing other posters accusations as my stories. Trust me when I tell you that I'm quite content, and this troll message board where I post a mere 4 posts per day is being taken wayyyyy to seriously by posters like yourself that think this place is anything more than that.

Why are you letting 3ball live in your mind rent free? Did you seriously just go looking on google for his posts on other message boards and take the time to post those links here? :lol

And when MJ came back, he brought the city of Chicago 3 more rings.:lol

Lebron came back, and Cleveland has won ZERO rings and he will never bring a ring to Cleveland.

All this site needs is a search feature. If it had that, there wouldn't be duplicate threads of the same shit. More threads of the same shit means more activity, so Jeff dropped the search feature.

Slurping the dude who slurps MJ. The next level of stanning. :facepalm

[LakersForlife]

ill take brian(white mamba) over this 2 bums

[mehyaM24]

tossup

i would probably take lebron though. higher efficiency (PER) and played with worse teammates while putting up slightly better all-around, RAW numbers.