Old school players vs today's rules

[andgar923]

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.ca/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html?m=1

fter looking at how weak 2000s defense is, let's see how a shell of Michael Jordan fared in the 2000s - and keep in mind this is before extra 2004/05 rule changes were added. Jordan didn't even have the benefit of all the weak rule changes like Lebron/Kobe/Durant etc do in the post-2005 seasons.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Too bad we will never know

This guy wastes too much time and effort onto an opinion matter that won't change ANYONE's biased opinions, and won't have any effect at all

Guy would be a great portfolio manager with this analytical effort :confusedshrug:

[Round Mound]

:applause:

[Jacks3]

Wizards Jordan was the most inefficent 20+ PPG scorer in history. lol @ you dumbass Jordan stans acting like he was doing anything impressive. And nobody denies that Jordan would completely dominate the league today. Why are you clowns so insecure?

[plowking]

How did shell of a Michael Jordan go in the 2000's?

22 shots to put up 23ppg...
19 shots to put up 20ppg...

47% and 49% TS% figures...

In fact, Jordan's 23ppg season is the least efficient scoring season for any player ever in modern day basketball when scoring over 20ppg.
His 20ppg season isn't far off either.

Yeah, he dominated.

[andgar923]

How did shell of a Michael Jordan go in the 2000's?

22 shots to put up 23ppg...
19 shots to put up 20ppg...

47% and 49% TS% figures...

In fact, Jordan's 23ppg season is the least efficient scoring season for any player ever in modern day basketball when scoring over 20ppg.
His 20ppg season isn't far off either.

Yeah, he dominated.

Did you even click on the link?

[andgar923]

Too bad we will never know

This guy wastes too much time and effort onto an opinion matter that won't change ANYONE's biased opinions, and won't have any effect at all

Guy would be a great portfolio manager with this analytical effort :confusedshrug:

Opinion piece?

The article provides statistical evidence that shows how some of the older players very well past their primes were still performing well.

[andgar923]

Wizards Jordan was the most inefficent 20+ PPG scorer in history. lol @ you dumbass Jordan stans acting like he was doing anything impressive. And nobody denies that Jordan would completely dominate the league today. Why are you clowns so insecure?

Kobe: 22.3pts .373% 2014-2015

Kobe: 16.7pts .350% 2015-2016


:confusedshrug:

And Kobe doesn't even play defense.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe last season was 22ppg at 48% TS

[plowking]

Kobe: 22.3pts .373% 2014-2015

Kobe: 16.7pts .350% 2015-2016


:confusedshrug:

And Kobe doesn't even play defense.

Neither did Jordan on the Wizards.

And why are you bringing up Kobe this season? Jordan is the least efficient 20ppg scorer ever in modern basketball. That is a fact.

[andgar923]

Kobe last season was 22ppg at 48% TS

And MJ's last season was 49%TS with a PER of 19.3

Kobe this season is at PER 13.9 and last season at 17.6

Both still lower.

[plowking]

Opinion piece?

The article provides statistical evidence that shows how some of the older players very well past their primes were still performing well.

And? You could do the same with 80's players going into the 90's when Jordan started winning.

[andgar923]

Neither did Jordan on the Wizards.

And why are you bringing up Kobe this season? Jordan is the least efficient 20ppg scorer ever in modern basketball. That is a fact.

MJ played better defense as a Wiz than most star players do today in their prime.

Context mean anything to you?

[plowking]

MJ played better defense as a Wiz than most star players do today in their prime.

Context mean anything to you?

No he didn't. You're just a spastic MJ slurper who can't see whats going on due to MJ's nuts blocking your vision.

He wasn't a good defender, he wasn't a good scorer, etc. Get over it.

Scoring 23ppg on 47% TS is only hurting your team.

[andgar923]

No he didn't. You're just a spastic MJ slurper who can't see whats going on due to MJ's nuts blocking your vision.

He wasn't a good defender, he wasn't a good scorer, etc. Get over it.

Scoring 23ppg on 47% TS is only hurting your team.

Much better defender than Curry, Wade, Kobe, Harden, smarter than James will ever be.

Come to think of it, MJ in his last season had a DWS of 3.4

Lebron James THIS season has a DWS of...... 3.4

But back to the main point which was MJ being a better defender than Kobe.

Kobe's last 5 DWS:

2.0
2.6
0.1
0.6
0.3

But... but....

[senelcoolidge]

It doesn't take a genius to see that the new rules opened up the game. Wasn't it done, because they wanted to increase scoring and make the game more entertaining? I guess people got tired of seeing real basketball.

[Rooster]

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.ca/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html?m=1

fter looking at how weak 2000s defense is, let's see how a shell of Michael Jordan fared in the 2000s - and keep in mind this is before extra 2004/05 rule changes were added. Jordan didn't even have the benefit of all the weak rule changes like Lebron/Kobe/Durant etc do in the post-2005 seasons.

If Shaq got calls like Jordan in the 2000s , he would fouled out every player and every team in the league.

[Fire Colangelo]

Much better defender than Curry, Wade, Kobe, Harden, smarter than James will ever be.

Come to think of it, MJ in his last season had a DWS of 3.4

Lebron James THIS season has a DWS of...... 3.4

But back to the main point which was MJ being a better defender than Kobe.

Kobe's last 5 DWS:

2.0
2.6
0.1
0.6
0.3

But... but....

09 LeBron with a DWS of 6.5 is better defensively than any version of Jordan.




But... but.....

[riseagainst]

09 LeBron with a DWS of 6.5 is better defensively than any version of Jordan.




But... but.....


:lol

0wned!

[andgar923]

No he didn't. You're just a spastic MJ slurper who can't see whats going on due to MJ's nuts blocking your vision.

He wasn't a good defender, he wasn't a good scorer, etc. Get over it.

Scoring 23ppg on 47% TS is only hurting your team.

From the link:

MJ /02 season before injury (Age 38) through 46 games (pts, rebs, assist, steals, blk)
25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42% - slightly better than his 1996 Finals MVP averages
T-Mac was the only player to finish the season averaging at least 25-6-5
Defensively Jordan also had an impact even at this late stage of his career.


2001 Wizards = 2nd worst in ppg allowed the year before.

Up to the injury game
2002 Wizards = allowed 92.2 ppg through 47 games (Jordan missed 1 game)
- would be tied for 6th-best in the league with the Pistons.

2002 Wizards = allowed 92.0 ppg in the 46 games Jordan played
- would be tied for 5th best in the league with the Nets

After Jordan's injury
2002 Wizards = allowed 96.8 ppg in the remaining 35 games
- would be ranked 19th in the league
- and fell to 11th in ppg allowed for the overall season.

The only negative of Jordan's game was FG%, which is to be expected at the tail end of your career, and his low FG% had much more to do with his back, rib, knee, and wrist injuries along with his old age, rather than the defense he was facing. However, low FG% doesn't necessarily equate to a negative effect on your team's win column.
In Jordan's 46 games before knee injury the Wiz had a 26-20 (0.565 win%).
In games without MJ and post-injury, the Wiz had a 11-25 (0.300 win%)
This is also despite the absence of Rip Hamilton for about a month during Jordan's 26-20 stretch (Jordan missed 1 game vs the Spurs - bringing their record to 26-21 before the injury).

In the last 16 games that Rip and Jordan played together prior to Jordan's knee collision, the Wizards went 15-1, and they won 13 straight games when both of them played together. Had both Rip and MJ stayed healthy, they very well could have cracked 50 wins overall despite starting the season 2-9 and being a 19-win team the previous year.

After Jordan's injury, Rip went 9-24 (0.273 win%) in the remaining games he played, so it was clearly Jordan who had by far the most impact on the W column. The following season, Jordan didn't have as much of an impact on the W column in the 2002/03 season as they went 37-45. His impact prior to injury is unquestionable, however.

Jordan's Wizard years are extremely
misunderstood. Prior to his injury he had the
Wizards in great position for a playoff run




But... But.... "Hurting the team"