What are the causes/reasons for these racial disparities/racial issues in general?

[Heilige]

1. Blacks have endured everything that white immigrants such as Italians and Irish have endured, except they worked in chains and after that under Jim Crow. During Jim Crow, whites could own property, accumulate wealth, attend schools, and find employment, all of which were systematically denied blacks.

2. Unlike Irish, Italians, and other white immigrants who got the benefit of their whiteness to work from scratch and earn their way into the American mainstream, blacks got the short end of the employment and educational stick and were denied the fruits of their labor.

3. Whites are not harassed in stores by clerks who believe they do not have money to buy goods.

4. Whites are not harassed by cops and killed by police as routinely as blacks. Blacks are charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than whites. They are sentenced to 10% longer terms than whites for federal crimes.

5. Black unemployment levels are consistently higher than whites unemployment levels. Blacks suffer chronic double-digit unemployment.

6. Blacks are nearly three times more likely than whites to be denied a mortgage. According to the Center for Responsible Lending, blacks were 150% more likely to get a high-cost loan with low interest rates that adjusted upward after two or three years.

7. From 2007 to 2009 black home ownership rates fell by 6% (to the lowest level since 1995), a drop more than twice that experienced by any other racial group in the United States. Blacks lost 31% of their wealth between 2007 and 2010, whereas whites lost 11%.

8. By 2009, 35% of black households had zero or negative net worth. They can't pass down wealth/assets for future generations the way whites can.

9. Nearly half of black families have lived in poor neighborhoods for two generations, compared to just 7% for whites.

10. White ex-felons are more likely to be called back for a job interview than blacks who have never been to prison.

11. Median black household income is lower than whites.

12. Blacks lead the nation in rates of heart disease, cancer, and HIV/AIDS.

13. Only 5 black CEOs at 500 biggest companies.

14. There isn't a black Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, etc, etc. Besides entertainment and sports there aren't really any black business moguls/titans like Gates, Buffett, etc.

15. In terms of how athletes are perceived there can be a double standard. Richard Sherman was called a thug after a post game interview. Paul Azinger called LeBron James a thug for a bit of trash talking. Larry Bird was the king of trash talking but was never called a thug.



What do you feel are the reasons/causes for these issues in general and what can be done to change it?

[Nick Young]

The Democrats have been hellbent on enforcing racial segregation in America for 180+ years and still are to this day.

Without the Democrats forcibly creating a racial divide in America, there wouldn't be one.




14. There isn't a black Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, etc, etc. Besides entertainment and sports there aren't really any black business moguls/titans like Gates, Buffett, etc.

Also you're wrong.

http://www.onthemoneyradio.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/otmr_guest_daymond-john_shark-tank.jpg

http://img1.rnkr-static.com/user_node_img/97/1921186/870/robert-l-johnson-writers-photo-u2.jpg

[Im Still Ballin]

https://tedtheeconomist.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/11401014_10153399385408588_8551656387416125748_n.p ng

[HeatFanSince88]

multiculturalism.

if every race has their own country, state whatever "racism" is a non issue. this goes back to basic tribalism which is normal in basically every living creature.

It's divide and conquer by the elite so they can destabilize the country and have the masses at eachothers throats, when people should be directing their anger at the real tyrants. these banking moguls and other pieces of sh!t who sit on their ass all day with billions of dollars.

[Nick Young]

multiculturalism.

if every race has their own country, state whatever "racism" is a non issue. this goes back to basic tribalism which is normal in basically every living creature.

It's divide and conquer by the elite so they can destabilize the country and have the masses at eachothers throats, when people should be directing their anger at the real tyrants. these banking moguls and other pieces of sh!t who sit on their ass all day with billions of dollars.
Ding ding ding.

Notice how the biggest corporate sponsored wall street shill still in the race is a Democrat. The Democrats are dedicated the preserving racial segregation by whatever means necessary.

[Heilige]

The Democrats have been hellbent on enforcing racial segregation in America for 180+ years and still are to this day.

Without the Democrats forcibly creating a racial divide in America, there wouldn't be one.



Also you're wrong.

http://www.onthemoneyradio.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/otmr_guest_daymond-john_shark-tank.jpg

http://img1.rnkr-static.com/user_node_img/97/1921186/870/robert-l-johnson-writers-photo-u2.jpg


They don't compare to Gates, Buffett, Trump in terms of wealth/power/influence.

[Cactus-Sack]

There are many reasons, but the main is biology.

Graph one: The more intelligent the more likely you are to avoid what for the purpose of this thread I will term "success inhibitors"

https://d13lp157io5ok4.cloudfront.net/ND/img/report_images/img-iqcorrelation/en/577/img-iqcorrelation.png


Graph two: The more intelligent you are, the more you earn

http://www.tino.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/link-david-brooks-and-malcolm-gladwell-wrong-about-iq-income-and-wealth-1-552x524.png


Graph three: Blacks and Latinos are more likely to have below average IQ (average is 100):

http://www.iq-tests.eu/images/700-1.png

[Heilige]

Do you trust those studies 100%?

[Im Still Ballin]

Do you trust those studies 100%?
Check your PM's

I can help you

[Cactus-Sack]

Do you trust those studies 100%?
I don't trust anything 100% but these statistics do not come from biased sources. Research this yourself, IQ is largely inherited.

[Heilige]

Check your PM's

I can help you

Help me with what?

Those iq studies are depressing if true...

[Cactus-Sack]

These are just averages. If you look at the graph there are plenty of incredibly smart black people and a lot of incredibly dumb white people, though the averages do vary.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/Photos/Race&IQ.jpeg

[The Hick]

#StillbetterthanAfrica

[UK2K]

4. Whites are not harassed by cops and killed by police as routinely as blacks. Blacks are charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than whites. They are sentenced to 10% longer terms than whites for federal crimes.


Considering blacks commit over half the crime in this country, a white suspect is much more likely to be killed than a black suspect.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact.


I don't trust anything 100% but these statistics do not come from biased sources. Research this yourself, IQ is largely inherited.

I don't think its inherited as much as it is stressed.

A dumb parent won't stress the value of intelligence.

There are many, many dumb people in this country who don't give a **** about their children's education. They may say they do, but they don't.

How many dumb parents force their kids to have an hour of 'study time' at home, every night, no matter what? Very, very few.

[Overdrive]

I don't think its inherited as much as it is stressed.

A dumb parent won't stress the value of intelligence.

There are many, many dumb people in this country who don't give a **** about their children's education. They may say they do, but they don't.

How many dumb parents force their kids to have an hour of 'study time' at home, every night, no matter what? Very, very few.

Part of it is inherited, but I've never read that genetically any "race" is dumber than the other so of course the "stressing" is a big part of it also, which school you attend and how long you stay in the school "cycle".

Manual, non specialized labor, the ethnicities performing it, the IQ(normal distributed) of those ethnicities surely go hand in hand and it's a vicious circle that's not easy to break. How can you nurtere a smart kid when you can't afford the school it would need? That's a problem for all ethnicies, but the ones with the expected IQ value >100 have more people who can afford a good education and if it's just step by step.

The problem alot of people in any political debate around the world don't get is that any candidate of any party is not interested that people below a certain limit for certain criterias can improve in life or the life of their children. Every state needs poor dumb people as long as manual, cheap labor is needed.

Things will get interesting, when mostly machines will do work and only experts to design, install and maintain those machines are needed. How will the former working class be treated? Not everyone can be an academic.

[UK2K]

Part of it is inherited, but I've never read that genetically any "race" is dumber than the other so of course the "stressing" is a big part of it also, which school you attend and how long you stay in the school "cycle".

Manual, non specialized labor, the ethnicities performing it, the IQ(normal distributed) of those ethnicities surely go hand in hand and it's a vicious circle that's not easy to break. How can you nurtere a smart kid when you can't afford the school it would need? That's a problem for all ethnicies, but the ones with the expected IQ value >100 have more people who can afford a good education and if it's just step by step.

The problem alot of people in any political debate around the world don't get is that any candidate of any party is not interested that people below a certain limit for certain criterias can improve in life or the life of their children. Every state needs poor dumb people as long as manual, cheap labor is needed.

Things will get interesting, when mostly machines will do work and only experts to design, install and maintain those machines are needed. How will the former working class be treated? Not everyone can be an academic.

My dad never went to college, and as far as books go, couldn't do my math work after 6th grade...

But, HE forced me to sit for an hour of study time, every day, 7 days a week. Do homework, read, write something, study SOMETHING.

By the time I was in high school, class was a breeze. You dont have to be smart to encourage your children to be smart. And you dont have to be smart to teach your children smart habits. I was sleepwalking through college classes (that I failed with high grades due to my attendance). The ACT was a breeze, even when I took it at 15.

Most parents just dont give a **** though, and thats the problem, because we can't legislate them to care.

[Overdrive]

My dad never went to college, and as far as books go, couldn't do my math work after 6th grade...

But, HE forced me to sit for an hour of study time, every day, 7 days a week. Do homework, read, write something, study SOMETHING.

By the time I was in high school, class was a breeze. You dont have to be smart to encourage your children to be smart. And you dont have to be smart to teach your children smart habits. I was sleepwalking through college classes (that I failed with high grades due to my attendance). The ACT was a breeze, even when I took it at 15.

Most parents just dont give a **** though, and thats the problem, because we can't legislate them to care.

Your dad is a good man then, he must've extorted alot of energy to get things better, but those people aren't the norm and alot of people don't have the time and energy to do that for their kids - sadly.

[UK2K]

Your dad is a good man then, he must've extorted alot of energy to get things better, but those people aren't the norm and alot of people don't have the time and energy to do that for their kids - sadly.
He is, and that's why if I were ever to be in a position to implement policy change, I would do what I could to mimic his teachings and behavior in order to mimic the results.

Like I said, its unfortunate we can't legislate good parenting. That's what it all really boils down to. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in the black community is the amount of fatherless homes.

But, even though it would be the smart thing to do and makes sense for the good of society, you cant punish people for being bad parents. As a result, their kids grow up with no chance.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db162_fig3.png

Children need parents who care. ParentS. Not Parent. Children need fathers.

[97 bulls]

1. Blacks have endured everything that white immigrants such as Italians and Irish have endured, except they worked in chains and after that under Jim Crow. During Jim Crow, whites could own property, accumulate wealth, attend schools, and find employment, all of which were systematically denied blacks.

2. Unlike Irish, Italians, and other white immigrants who got the benefit of their whiteness to work from scratch and earn their way into the American mainstream, blacks got the short end of the employment and educational stick and were denied the fruits of their labor.

3. Whites are not harassed in stores by clerks who believe they do not have money to buy goods.

4. Whites are not harassed by cops and killed by police as routinely as blacks. Blacks are charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than whites. They are sentenced to 10% longer terms than whites for federal crimes.

5. Black unemployment levels are consistently higher than whites unemployment levels. Blacks suffer chronic double-digit unemployment.

6. Blacks are nearly three times more likely than whites to be denied a mortgage. According to the Center for Responsible Lending, blacks were 150% more likely to get a high-cost loan with low interest rates that adjusted upward after two or three years.

7. From 2007 to 2009 black home ownership rates fell by 6% (to the lowest level since 1995), a drop more than twice that experienced by any other racial group in the United States. Blacks lost 31% of their wealth between 2007 and 2010, whereas whites lost 11%.

8. By 2009, 35% of black households had zero or negative net worth. They can't pass down wealth/assets for future generations the way whites can.

9. Nearly half of black families have lived in poor neighborhoods for two generations, compared to just 7% for whites.

10. White ex-felons are more likely to be called back for a job interview than blacks who have never been to prison.

11. Median black household income is lower than whites.

12. Blacks lead the nation in rates of heart disease, cancer, and HIV/AIDS.

13. Only 5 black CEOs at 500 biggest companies.

14. There isn't a black Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, etc, etc. Besides entertainment and sports there aren't really any black business moguls/titans like Gates, Buffett, etc.

15. In terms of how athletes are perceived there can be a double standard. Richard Sherman was called a thug after a post game interview. Paul Azinger called LeBron James a thug for a bit of trash talking. Larry Bird was the king of trash talking but was never called a thug.



What do you feel are the reasons/causes for these issues in general and what can be done to change it?
It's very simple. Systematic oppression. Most of the posters here refuse to admit it. And to add, the ones making the claim that blacks relative unsuccessful lives is inherent are racists biggots. And assholes.

And trying to gauge ones intelligence based on an IQ test is just as moronic. Those test are largely based on culture. The only thing universal is the math and even then it's given at an unfair advantage because minority shool aren't nearly on the level of those that are attended by whites.

[97 bulls]

He is, and that's why if I were ever to be in a position to implement policy change, I would do what I could to mimic his teachings and behavior in order to mimic the results.

Like I said, its unfortunate we can't legislate good parenting. That's what it all really boils down to. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in the black community is the amount of fatherless homes.

But, even though it would be the smart thing to do and makes sense for the good of society, you cant punish people for being bad parents. As a result, their kids grow up with no chance.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db162_fig3.png

Children need parents who care. ParentS. Not Parent. Children need fathers.
I agree. But why are black homes fatherless? What's the root of the problem?

[UK2K]

It's very simple. Systematic oppression. Most of the posters here refuse to admit it. And to add, the ones making the claim that blacks relative unsuccessful lives is inherent are racists biggots. And assholes.

And trying to gauge ones intelligence based on an IQ test is just as moronic. Those test are largely based on culture. The only thing universal is the math and even then it's given at an unfair advantage because minority shool aren't nearly on the level of those that are attended by whites.

Well, we were doing well. Then, someone had to get their buzz words in.

[UK2K]

I agree. But why are black homes fatherless? What's the root of the problem?

No idea.

[QUOTE]The rate at which black children are born into unmarried homes in the U.S. has gone from a quarter to three quarters. There are more black children living without biological fathers in the home than children who do. Illegitimacy rates have risen across the board, but it impacts black children the most. (To pre-empt liberal naysayers, anecdotes about how you or someone you know or a celebrity grew up without a father and turned out

[Overdrive]

He is, and that's why if I were ever to be in a position to implement policy change, I would do what I could to mimic his teachings and behavior in order to mimic the results.

Like I said, its unfortunate we can't legislate good parenting. That's what it all really boils down to. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in the black community is the amount of fatherless homes.

But, even though it would be the smart thing to do and makes sense for the good of society, you cant punish people for being bad parents. As a result, their kids grow up with no chance.

Children need parents who care. ParentS. Not Parent. Children need fathers.

As said, it's a vicious circle. The poor are uneducated, because they are poor, and they stay poor because they remain uneducated(mostly). Education is also a big part of social behaviour. A black/hispanic lawyer who worked his ass off getting out of the treadmill won't go around father 20 babymamas, that's a symptom of poverty.

There's also no sufficient solution and as I said goverments don't want those anyway, they need poor people - the one giving away the best illusion to help the poor usually wins an election.

[highwhey]

Am I the only one that is surprised OP is still alive?


Ok

[UK2K]

As said, it's a vicious circle. The poor are uneducated, because they are poor, and they stay poor because they remain uneducated(mostly). Education is also a big part of social behaviour. A black/hispanic lawyer who worked his ass off getting out of the treadmill won't go around father 20 babymamas, that's a symptom of poverty.

There's also no sufficient solution and as I said goverments don't want those anyway, they need poor people - the one giving away the best illusion to help the poor usually wins an election.

Nailed it. :applause:

It wont change because the government doesnt want it to change, because the government needs groups of people, not 'a' group.

[97 bulls]

One more thing. Someone tried to compare Buffet, Trump, and Gates to Robert L. Johnson and Daymon Johns. In all honesty, it's an unfair comparison. Buffet and Trumps success can be greatly attributed to their family success. The latter to personal success. Johnsons dad was a farmer. His mother was a teacher. Johns didn't even have his father. Trump by his own admission started out with a "modest small loan" from his dad (a million dollars back in the 70s) and Buffets dad was a politician and I believe was a stockbroker himself. Buffet was making over $100,000 at a young age. Probably thanks in large part to his dad's connections.

[Godzuki]

its obvious OP doesn''t live in America, just watches TV, and listens to rap while following athletes and rappers on twitter to understand why there is so called 'racism' against black people that can't be any fault of their own :coleman:

[97 bulls]

Well, we were doing well. Then, someone had to get their buzz words in.
Oh come on. How can we get to the root of a problem then?

[Im Still Ballin]

You know, I want to see my country become great again, but we must do away with effeminate liberal ideology. Blame everyone but yourself. At some point, you must be responsible for your own actions, and hold yourself accountable for such. Social identity politics is an emotional bipolar conglomerate, with no basis of objective measures or reality. Simply an emotional warped illogical perspective.

It has been 50 years since the last remnants of institutionalized racism was abolished. Institutional racism that held up to all measures of objective reality, unlike the emotional fiction narratives commonly ushered today, that is not visible to the eye, and vanishes whenever you get close enough to look.

Gossip is for girls. Responsibility and Accountability is for men.

#MAGA

[UK2K]

Oh come on. How can we get to the root of a problem then?

Can we not have a discussion without calling each other names?

All I hear when I hear the word racist is 'you're right, but I won't admit it'.

That goes for bigot and any other words you want to try and call me. If you had a point worth making, you'd make it, but you don't, so you call someone names and hope that gives you some breathing room.

EDIT: And when I say you, I don't mean you specifically. I mean you in a general sense.

[97 bulls]

No idea.



http://blackcommunitynews.com/72-percent-documentary-on-fatherless-black-children/

Might be worth a watch.
No idea? I told you. The black families demise was greatly inspired by welfare. We are in total agreement that the root of blacks problems is greatly centered around black families not having a father. So wouldn't it make sense to go back and see how that phenomenon began? I mean it wasn't always like that. What changed?

[Godzuki]

It's very simple. Systematic oppression. Most of the posters here refuse to admit it. And to add, the ones making the claim that blacks relative unsuccessful lives is inherent are racists biggots. And assholes.

And trying to gauge ones intelligence based on an IQ test is just as moronic. Those test are largely based on culture. The only thing universal is the math and even then it's given at an unfair advantage because minority shool aren't nearly on the level of those that are attended by whites.


:facepalm

lol @ blaming everyone else for black people issues because obviously white and azn people are responsible for black youth glorifying thug culture. white people are obviously responsible for black single mothers everywhere. the man holding black people down are obviously responsible for black crimes because our government forces black people to not work and just rob/steal...just like all of these black pro athletes in the news every day doing stupid shit ruining their careers because they cant stay out of trouble :coleman:

i swear i could post a new thread every day with a black famous dude getting arrested :applause:

damn white people and cops :facepalm if only they didnt exist black people would obviously never have any issues because its all their fault and not the individuals who make their life decisions to not study, hang out and smoke weed all day, and/or go around gang banging because they want to be a pimp :coleman:

[UK2K]

No idea? I told you. The black families demise was greatly inspired by welfare. We are in total agreement that the root of blacks problems is greatly centered around black families not having a father. So wouldn't it make sense to go back and see how that phenomenon began? I mean it wasn't always like that. What changed?

And I told you, if fatherless homes were the result of welfare, then why didn't whites suffer the same problems? Hispanics? Somehow, only blacks suffered as a result...


In all but 11 states, most black children do not live with both parents. In every state, 7 in 10 white children do. In all states but Rhode Island and Massachusetts, most Hispanic children do. In Wisconsin, 77 percent of white children and 61 percent of Hispanics live with both parents, compared with more than 25 percent of black children.

So one of these things is not like the others..... you cant blame welfare as an excuse when the problem is isolated.

[mehyaM24]

systematic oppression and all that bullshit are MYTHS these days. there is poor, middle and upper class. that's it.

(so-called "whites" makeup the majority of welfare BTW).

over HALF of our government officials are so-called "minorities" & and our president is "black". the left wing media & party have some of you by the balls. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

Can we not have a discussion without calling each other names?

All I hear when I hear the word racist is 'you're right, but I won't admit it'.

That goes for bigot and any other words you want to try and call me. If you had a point worth making, you'd make it, but you don't, so you call someone names and hope that gives you some breathing room.

EDIT: And when I say you, I don't mean you specifically. I mean you in a general sense.
I'm not calling you names. I wasn't even referring to you. The OP listed a bunch of issues and asked why these problems exists. I answered them.


Look at it this way.....are there trifling black men and women? Absolutely. Just like every other race of people we have our skid marks as well. But the difference is Blacks and Latinos as a whole have to bare the brunt of the misgivings of a few. No other race must endure that. I mean we got morons in here alluding to blacks having lowered IQs as the problem. That's a genre asessment. And extremely skewed. If I were to give the so called smartest man (based on IQ) an ebonics test, he'd fail miserably.

[Godzuki]

You know, I want to see my country become great again, but we must do away with effeminate liberal ideology. Blame everyone but yourself. At some point, you must be responsible for your own actions, and hold yourself accountable for such. Social identity politics is an emotional bipolar conglomerate, with no basis of objective measures or reality. Simply an emotional warped illogical perspective.

It has been 50 years since the last remnants of institutionalized racism was abolished. Institutional racism that held up to all measures of objective reality, unlike the emotional fiction narratives commonly ushered today, that is not visible to the eye, and vanishes whenever you get close enough to look.

Gossip is for girls. Responsibility and Accountability is for men.

#MAGA


its absolutely ridiculous today how the liberals ALWAYS blame everyone other than the individual fukkin up :facepalm

listening to sports radio is so fukkinn annoying how they always want to blame some other shit than the dumbass who spent all his $100''s of millions and is now broke. its some shit like "well its the league and societys fault for not teaching him how to manage money" :facepalm

or when they fukk up like Josh Gordon or Joseph Randle constantly gettng arrested its some shit like "well society has conditioned them to behave that way" :facepalm

its silly how unrealistic liberals are these days who don't hold people, regardless of color, responsible for their actions. color is always used as the scapegoat for their issues by the liberals.

"the man is holding us down" meanwhile u see these mf'ers yappin that hanging on the corner of liquor stores with a brown paper bag 40oz preaching how he can't do anything because of racist whities.

"the cops target black people" meanwhile nobody wants to drive thru a hood in America full of black people knowing crime is rampant while those ghetto black people blame the police for all of their crime issues and refuse to cooperate with them to rid their communities of drug dealers and thugs.

the liberal movement is so pandering unrealistic to people taking responsibility for their own actions its laffable how retarded mainstream society is. its always some unequal racial representation stat to pretend a group is held down when in reality there are major issues within that group relative to other colored people.

call godzuki racist u liberal fgts, its cold hard reality :pimp:

[Overdrive]

[burb]

Are you trying to say that it's (genetically) inherited that black people commit crimes and can't cope with money?

[97 bulls]

And I told you, if fatherless homes were the result of welfare, then why didn't whites suffer the same problems? Hispanics? Somehow, only blacks suffered as a result...



So one of these things is not like the others..... you cant blame welfare as an excuse when the problem is isolated.
Those whites and Latinos DO suffer the same problem. It a socio-economic issue. The funny thing is it depends on what stats one wants to use. If i say more whites are on welfare, then you would want to play the percenatges. But under this line of reasoning, percentages wouldn't work so you stick to basic amounts as a whoke. I'd be willing to bet that if we did research based on percentages of fatherless homes based on economics, it would be much closer.

[97 bulls]

systematic oppression and all that bullshit are MYTHS these days. there is poor, middle and upper class. that's it.

(so-called "whites" makeup the majority of welfare BTW).

over HALF of our government officials are so-called "minorities" & and our president is "black". the left wing media & party have some of you by the balls. :oldlol:
Again. GO TO THE ROOT!!!!!!! You can't totally dismiss the past because it's a part of who we are today. The only way the past can be considered irrelevant is if when a man dies, any wealth he has is automatically put back in a pot, and all children that are born are literally born under the sake circumstances. It's just unreasonable.

[longtime lurker]

Obama and the blacks

[Im Still Ballin]

The only institutional racism that exists today is affirmative action.

#MAGA

[mehyaM24]

Again. GO TO THE ROOT!!!!!!! You can't totally dismiss the past because it's a part of who we are today. The only way the past can be considered irrelevant is if when a man dies, any wealth he has is automatically put back in a pot, and all children that are born are literally born under the sake circumstances. It's just unreasonable.

the "roots" are weeded out and dead.

unless you're handicapped (either physically or mentally), you and YOU alone makeup your state of living & prosperity.

all that other nonsense is just another way to keep you down. in the dirt. WAKE up.

[Derka]

:lol reading through this thread. As if racial/ethnic strife is some modern construct that liberals and conservatives in America thought up.

The length and breadth of human civilization is colored by a history of destroying people who don't look like you and seeking to dominate/control others. Doesn't matter who your president or prime minister of deity of choice is: we'll always be this way. Its what we are.

[UK2K]

Those whites and Latinos DO suffer the same problem. It a socio-economic issue. The funny thing is it depends on what stats one wants to use. If i say more whites are on welfare, then you would want to play the percenatges. But under this line of reasoning, percentages wouldn't work so you stick to basic amounts as a whoke. I'd be willing to bet that if we did research based on percentages of fatherless homes based on economics, it would be much closer.

More whites are on welfare by sheer numbers. I won't argue that. Considering whites make up the majority of this country, the majority of the recipients, one would imagine, would be white.

But if you want to talk percentages... yeah its not even a discussion.

And sure, fatherless homes are more likely to be on welfare. BLACK fatherless homes are twice as likely to be on welfare. 82% of black households with children are on welfare.

82%.

That means if you see a black person with a child, 80% of the time that person will be on welfare. That is absurd.

Its funny, I grew up in some of the poorest areas in this country.. nearly 40% of the kids in that area are born to single parents, and somehow, despite being the poorest, most uneducated, most disowned and ignored group in the US, the people where I grew up and the black community have very little in common.

[97 bulls]

the "roots" are weeded out and dead.

unless you're handicapped (either physically or mentally), you and YOU alone makeup your state of living & prosperity.

all that other nonsense is just another way to keep you down. in the dirt. WAKE up.
Then please give your explanation on these links I'm sending you. Now when I asked UK2K. He said it was because blacks were late to interviews or lived too far (lol). Please give us your take

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/05/a-college-degree-doesnt-mean-youll-get-a-job-especially-if-youre-black/&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghMMAs&usg=AFQjCNESEPNOBjUj-P-qnFaVE2ulnijVTw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/education-not-great-equalizer-black-americans-n305196&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghPMAw&usg=AFQjCNGItvEj-8xmp-q_zBvkPBgOgeROPA

[Godzuki]

Are you trying to say that it's (genetically) inherited that black people commit crimes and can't cope with money?


i'd say its cultural more than anything. sure genetics play a part but influences and upbringing differentiate black people more from whities and azn's in behavior.

why is a black church so much livelier and celebratory than a white or azn one?

why do black people tend to be more outspoken and louder than other color people?

do u see a relationship between those 2 behaviors related possibly to culture/upbringing?

why do azns excel at math? why do whities excel at english? why do black people do worse than both by and large in those subjects??

my question to u then is why do black youth behave so poorly in city schools relative to whites/azns? why do they do worse in test scores and grades? most azns will say math comes naturally to them, why is that? why doesn't it come naturally to whities or blacks?

differentiating between genetics vs upbringing/environment is hard to say since its rarely either/or but a combination. genetics can be overcome at least with hard work but by and large it will reflect in the statistics.

[97 bulls]

More whites are on welfare by sheer numbers. I won't argue that. Considering whites make up the majority of this country, the majority of the recipients, one would imagine, would be white.

But if you want to talk percentages... yeah its not even a discussion.

And sure, fatherless homes are more likely to be on welfare. BLACK fatherless homes are twice as likely to be on welfare. 82% of black households with children are on welfare.

82%.

That means if you see a black person with a child, 80% of the time that person will be on welfare. That is absurd.

Its funny, I grew up in some of the poorest areas in this country.. nearly 40% of the kids in that area are born to single parents, and somehow, despite being the poorest, most uneducated, most disowned and ignored group in the US, the people where I grew up and the black community have very little in common.
Where are you getting your stats from? 82 percent????

According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.Feb 28, 2015


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html&ved=0ahUKEwiVyJ_VxLHLAhWFMGMKHY7XBx0QFggpMAI&usg=AFQjCNH4N28AIGyKEQE9uzXPZfcdpZ8Fsg

[UK2K]

Then please give your explanation on these links I'm sending you. Now when I asked UK2K. He said it was because blacks were late to interviews or lived too far (lol). Please give us your take

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/05/a-college-degree-doesnt-mean-youll-get-a-job-especially-if-youre-black/&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghMMAs&usg=AFQjCNESEPNOBjUj-P-qnFaVE2ulnijVTw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/education-not-great-equalizer-black-americans-n305196&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghPMAw&usg=AFQjCNGItvEj-8xmp-q_zBvkPBgOgeROPA
No, I said there's a lot of reasons for those statistics.

Those links just narrowed them all down and said A = B, even though C + D + E + F + A also = B.

I stated there's dozens of reasons, you just ignored them.

[UK2K]

Where are you getting your stats from? 82 percent????

According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.Feb 28, 2015


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html&ved=0ahUKEwiVyJ_VxLHLAhWFMGMKHY7XBx0QFggpMAI&usg=AFQjCNH4N28AIGyKEQE9uzXPZfcdpZ8Fsg
I said 'with children'.

Do another Google search.

82% of blacks with children are on welfare.

[Im Still Ballin]

Blacks? 25%?

Sounds like over-representation.

[mehyaM24]

Then please give your explanation on these links I'm sending you. Now when I asked UK2K. He said it was because blacks were late to interviews or lived too far (lol). Please give us your take

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/05/a-college-degree-doesnt-mean-youll-get-a-job-especially-if-youre-black/&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghMMAs&usg=AFQjCNESEPNOBjUj-P-qnFaVE2ulnijVTw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/education-not-great-equalizer-black-americans-n305196&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFghPMAw&usg=AFQjCNGItvEj-8xmp-q_zBvkPBgOgeROPA

those aren't "black" problems.

those are everyday people problems. i have MULTIPLE family members that graduated college with degrees who don't even have careers (and some do tbf).. and are either working retail at minimum wage or jobless.

those links you posted aren't reserved to "blacks". another MYTH to keep you lower than low.

[Nick Young]

I don't want to believe that any race is inherently smarter or dumber than any other race, and I don't believe this.

But at the same time I think-if dog breeds all have different levels of intelligence, why wouldn't humans? For example, poodles and afghan hounds all are genetically similar enough to be considered the same species, but they are very different. Poodles are known for being intelligent while Afghan hounds are known for being dumb as hell. If it's like that with dog breed varieties, why would it not be like that with humans?

And it's not like humans all over the world are exactly the same. Black people for example are way more athletic on average than other races, just look at the NBA or olympic springing or boxing as examples.

And Asian people tend to be shorter than non-Asian people ON AVERAGE.

And people with darker skin have evolved that way to deal with the sun better.

So if all of these things are true, how can it also not be true that intelligence is different? I sincerely hope this is not the case, and until more evidence comes out I will choose to believe this is not the case but who knows.


I also ask myself-why is every country in Africa so shit? I know the common answer is "blame the evil whitie colonials" but other countries colonized by white Europeans are not doing that poorly, for example India and East Asian countries. Why is Africa an absolute hellhole? And it's not like it wasn't shit before whities got there. Look at the tech they had, it was way behind the times compared to the rest of the world.

Look at the great contemporary cities, Timbuktu or Great Zimbabwe compared to Florence or Constantinople for example. One was a ring wall of mud with huts and a market inside, the others had great lasting works of architecture.

I don't know why there is such a disparity.

I willingly choose not to believe it is genetic, and I also believe it is unfair to blame other people ie 'EVIL WHITE MEN FORCED US TO BE THIS WAY, WE HAVE NO CHOICE.'

White colonialists from the 1850s aren't responsible for Boko Haram and other insane African groups and dictators today who are in power. Even in South Africa, that country is going to hell and getting worse and worse every year, and they have so much resources and natural wealth in that country, I don't understand how. And it is not just African nations. Look at Jamaica and Haiti and Dominican Republic and Trinidad and Tobago, these nations are all badly run hellholes too.

I don't believe there is a genetic difference in human intelligence, but at the same time, I don't know, I believe that there is some genetic differences in different races of humans.


I think culture has a lot to do with it to. For example as a Jew I have seen how all of my friends and family and myself were pushed our entire lives academically and parents would talk to me and my siblings about university from a young age, and get pissed when we brought home bad grades and forced us to study. This is similar to many Asian and Indian cultures from what I understand. It makes sense that if you are pushed and shamed from a young age by everyone around you to be successful that you would become successful.


As to why there are so many black kids growing up to single mothers? I don't know why this is, hopefully it is a problem that is being fixed because fathers are very important to a child's development. People of all races who grow up without fathers generally tend to become ****ups.


Black moms got to choose their baby daddies better.

[Godzuki]

I don't want to believe that any race is inherently smarter or dumber than any other race, and I don't believe this.

But at the same time I think-if dog breeds all have different levels of intelligence, why wouldn't humans? For example, poodles and afghan hounds all are genetically similar enough to be considered the same species, but they are very different. Poodles are known for being intelligent while Afghan hounds are known for being dumb as hell. If it's like that with dog breed varieties, why would it not be like that with humans?

And it's not like humans all over the world are exactly the same. Black people for example are way more athletic on average than other races, just look at the NBA or olympic springing or boxing as examples.

And Asian people tend to be shorter than non-Asian people ON AVERAGE.

And people with darker skin have evolved that way to deal with the sun better.

So if all of these things are true, how can it also not be true that intelligence is different? I sincerely hope this is not the case, and until more evidence comes out I will choose to believe this is not the case but who knows.


I also ask myself-why is every country in Africa so shit? I know the common answer is "blame the evil whitie colonials" but other countries colonized by white Europeans are not doing that poorly, for example India and East Asian countries. Why is Africa an absolute hellhole? And it's not like it wasn't shit before whities got there. Look at the tech they had, it was way behind the times compared to the rest of the world.

Look at the great contemporary cities, Timbuktu or Great Zimbabwe compared to Florence or Constantinople for example. One was a ring wall of mud with huts and a market inside, the others had great lasting works of architecture.

I don't know why there is such a disparity.

I willingly choose not to believe it is genetic, and I also believe it is unfair to blame other people ie 'EVIL WHITE MEN FORCED US TO BE THIS WAY, WE HAVE NO CHOICE.'

White colonialists from the 1850s aren't responsible for Boko Haram and other insane African groups and dictators today who are in power. Even in South Africa, that country is going to hell and getting worse and worse every year, and they have so much resources and natural wealth in that country, I don't understand how. And it is not just African nations. Look at Jamaica and Haiti and Dominican Republic and Trinidad and Tobago, these nations are all badly run hellholes too.

I don't believe there is a genetic difference in human intelligence, but at the same time, I don't know, I believe that there is some genetic differences in different races of humans.


I think culture has a lot to do with it to. For example as a Jew I have seen how all of my friends and family and myself were pushed our entire lives academically and parents would talk to me and my siblings about university from a young age, and get pissed when we brought home bad grades and forced us to study. This is similar to many Asian and Indian cultures from what I understand. It makes sense that if you are pushed and shamed from a young age by everyone around you to be successful that you would become successful.


As to why there are so many black kids growing up to single mothers? I don't know why this is, hopefully it is a problem that is being fixed because fathers are very important to a child's development. People of all races who grow up without fathers generally tend to become ****ups.


Black moms got to choose their baby daddies better.

the thing is genetic vs environment is weighed heavily in favor of environment where the genetic advantage/disadvantages someone has can be overcome, and often is. it also is not all or nothing obviously since we're talking on a large scale, or groups we have to generalize to sum them up so its not every white or black person fitting this mold.

but there HAS to be a genetic difference in races of people. there are way too many generations of history that show consistent traits inherent in some races and not others. even the math and azns example i'd swear it came naturally to me and just made sense in 1st grade where i was crushing long division while the other kids were getting stomped on. and then i go to a azn math speed class and i sukk ass compared to them. its not because i studied math before 1st grade or was taught it, it just made sense is the best way i can describe it while i saw most other white/black kids at the time struggle at it. i sukked at english classes tho for what its worth but that IMO is largely due to cultural differences like speaking foreign languages at home and not english so much....

basically im saying racial IQ genetic differences exist but its almost impossible to measure....and of course its not all just many :confusedshrug:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/270019

[97 bulls]

those aren't "black" problems.

those are everyday people problems. i have MULTIPLE family members that graduated college with degrees who don't even have careers (and some do tbf).. and are either working retail at minimum wage or jobless.

those links you posted aren't reserved to "blacks". another MYTH to keep you lower than low.
It is a problem overall. But it's a huge problem for blacks.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/08/black-men-need-more-education-to-get-the-same-jobs/375770/&ved=0ahUKEwigr4G5pKPLAhVG92MKHcT4DIEQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNGatiw-XNI8Zq-jPpkhO6e0lW0CYw

[97 bulls]

No, I said there's a lot of reasons for those statistics.

Those links just narrowed them all down and said A = B, even though C + D + E + F + A also = B.

I stated there's dozens of reasons, you just ignored them.
You did state many reasons. I named a few. They were weak at best. But go ahead and keep your head in the sand.

[Nick Young]

Also-American society sets black American kids up to fail.

If you constantly tell a kid that everyone hates them, employers hate them, police hate them, society hate them and they will never succeed no matter what they do because of the color of their skin, what do you think that is going to do to a kids development?


All of the athletes and successful business men, when you read interviews, they say they have parents or a mentor who implanted the idea in their head that they could achieve whatever they wanted as long as they worked their ass off to achieve it.


Some people have stories like "no one believed in me, so I worked hard to prove them wrong" but those cases are very rare compared to people who were encouraged their whole life and told they were capable.


What are black kids in America told by the media and teachers?

1. You are different from everyone else. Even though you were born here and your ancestors were born here, you're an outsider and you always will be.

2. The world hates you.

3. You suck.

4. We're going to make things easier for you by lowering barriers of entry and also give you free money and scholarships, because you're too dumb to be able to achieve anything on your own.




If you treat someone like they aren't capable their entire life, they will rarely become capable.


We need to stop implanting the idea in young black kids heads that they are incapable.

The media, the education system and affirmative action laws are entirely to blame for this IMO.

A kid is never going to succeed if you tell him the game is rigged against him and he has no chance from the very beginning no matter what he does. Also, a kid will never succeed if you tell him he needs affirmative action benefits and lower standards of entry just to be on the same playing field as people of other races.


On top of this, any single mother who raises their kid on her own is setting their kid up to fail.

Single moms need to stop being deified as saints who can do no wrong. It is completely irresponsible to have a child with a man who is not going to stick around. Make better decisions, single moms! It is also borderline abuse to raise a kid on your own with no father figure.

And most of the time these moms are working multiple jobs so have no time for their kid, so their kid is just growing up with little to no guidance doing whatever the **** they want, all because the selfish single mom decided to make the irresponsible decision of having children with an unsupportive man.

MAKE BETTER DECISIONS SINGLE MOMS. YOU ARE NOT BLAMELESS IN ALL OF THIS. THE MEDIA TELLS YOU YOU ARE GOD'S GIFT TO HUMANITY BUT THAT IS BULLSHIT. KIDS NEED FATHERS. IT IS CRUELTY AND BORDERLINE ABUSIVE TO RAISE YOUR CHILD WITH NO FATHER.


The results are there for all to see. Just look at the criminality rate of kids raised by single moms OF ALL RACES compared to kids who are raised with two parents OF ALL RACES.

[Dresta]

1. The destruction of the family and notions of personal responsibility, which build the habits and mores necessary for success (and which cultivate things like intelligence, restraint, and discipline, over long periods of time):

[QUOTE]Among the strange notions which have been broached since I have been on the political theatre, there is one which has lately seized the minds of men, that all things must be done for them by the Government, and that they are to do nothing for themselves: The Government is not only to attend to the great concerns which are its province, but it must step in and ease individuals of their natural and moral obligations. A more pernicious notion cannot prevail. Look at that ragged fellow staggering from the whiskey shop, and see that slattern who has gone there to reclaim him; where are their children ? Running about, ragged, idle, ignorant, fit candidates for the penitentiary. Why is all this so? Ask the man and he will tell you, Oh, the Government has undertaken to educate our children for us. It has given us a premium for idleness, and I now spend in liquor, what I should otherwise be obliged to save to pay for their schooling. My neighbor there, that is so hard at work in his field yonder with his son, can

[warriorfan]

1. The destruction of the family and notions of personal responsibility, which build the habits and mores necessary for success (and which cultivate things like intelligence, restraint, and discipline, over long periods of time):



i.e. we help the useless and irresponsible ones too much, in a way so that they'll never learn from their mistakes, and we concurrently penalise those who would otherwise get ahead, making it more difficult for them to succeed and give a + start to their children, so we can instead perpetuate stupidity and irresponsibility. This is the worst of both worlds, and it does a lot of harm, particularly to the most vulnerable, who are disproportionately black.

2. General differences in intelligence. This is really difficult for any thinking person to deny, though the American ideology, and its ridiculous founding document, make people rather conflicted about it all. The science says the same thing over and over again: IQ tests aren't all that "biased," the results don't change much at all throughout an individuals life, and it is a pretty accurate measure of cognitive ability (though sure, some types of intelligence aren't captured by it).


3. Racism or oppression or whatever you want to call it (clearly the least important of the 3, as many, many groups, throughout history, have time and time again won themselves success in the harshest of circumstances). There's a reason the Jews have always been hated, and it's mostly because success brings envy, and their intelligence, close-knit cultural traditions, and solid mores, are harbingers of success, even in the most trial some of circumstances.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

[Heilige]

1. The destruction of the family and notions of personal responsibility, which build the habits and mores necessary for success (and which cultivate things like intelligence, restraint, and discipline, over long periods of time):



i.e. we help the useless and irresponsible ones too much, in a way so that they'll never learn from their mistakes, and we concurrently penalise those who would otherwise get ahead, making it more difficult for them to succeed and give a + start to their children, so we can instead perpetuate stupidity and irresponsibility. This is the worst of both worlds, and it does a lot of harm, particularly to the most vulnerable, who are disproportionately black.

2. General differences in intelligence. This is really difficult for any thinking person to deny, though the American ideology, and its ridiculous founding document, make people rather conflicted about it all. The science says the same thing over and over again: IQ tests aren't all that "biased," the results don't change much at all throughout an individuals life, and it is a pretty accurate measure of cognitive ability (though sure, some types of intelligence aren't captured by it).


3. Racism or oppression or whatever you want to call it (clearly the least important of the 3, as many, many groups, throughout history, have time and time again won themselves success in the harshest of circumstances). There's a reason the Jews have always been hated, and it's mostly because success brings envy, and their intelligence, close-knit cultural traditions, and solid mores, are harbingers of success, even in the most trial some of circumstances.




Good points. In your view how often did Jews study in order to become successful in life?

Also, what are all the habits and mores one needs to be successful?

[warriorfan]

Also, what are all the habits and mores one needs to be successful?

Lying, cheating, and murdering the indigenous populations of the world has worked for the whites for the past 500 years or so.

[Nick Young]

very good post until you went full zionist drone with what you wrote about the jews lol.
the jews effectively rule the USA since Woodrow Wilson. you can be the judge if they did a good job ( for everyone but themselves that is)
What about other countries before Woodrow Wilson and the United States even existed, dumbass?


Jews have succeeded in every single society they have been a part of, through out history. Is there a giant Jewspiracy that goes back 3,000+ years? :confusedshrug:

Do you believe that the Jew World Order willingly allowed the Holocaust to happen?

[Nick Young]

Lying, cheating, and murdering the indigenous populations of the world has worked for the whites for the past 500 years or so.
You gonna act like the Aztecs weren't lying, cheating and murdering and enslaving local indigenous people, not to mention sacrificing them and eating them?


You gonna act like Native Americans weren't killing each other and scalping and cannibalizing each other?


U right doe. The white man made them do that.
:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[97 bulls]

Also-American society sets black American kids up to fail.

If you constantly tell a kid that everyone hates them, employers hate them, police hate them, society hate them and they will never succeed no matter what they do because of the color of their skin, what do you think that is going to do to a kids development?


All of the athletes and successful business men, when you read interviews, they say they have parents or a mentor who implanted the idea in their head that they could achieve whatever they wanted as long as they worked their ass off to achieve it.


Some people have stories like "no one believed in me, so I worked hard to prove them wrong" but those cases are very rare compared to people who were encouraged their whole life and told they were capable.


What are black kids in America told by the media and teachers?

1. You are different from everyone else. Even though you were born here and your ancestors were born here, you're an outsider and you always will be.

2. The world hates you.

3. You suck.

4. We're going to make things easier for you by lowering barriers of entry and also give you free money and scholarships, because you're too dumb to be able to achieve anything on your own.




If you treat someone like they aren't capable their entire life, they will rarely become capable.


We need to stop implanting the idea in young black kids heads that they are incapable.

The media, the education system and affirmative action laws are entirely to blame for this IMO.

A kid is never going to succeed if you tell him the game is rigged against him and he has no chance from the very beginning no matter what he does. Also, a kid will never succeed if you tell him he needs affirmative action benefits and lower standards of entry just to be on the same playing field as people of other races.
I disgaree. As a black man, I've always been told that in order to succeed, I must work two or three times as hard as my white counterparts. And thus has been the case for the most part.

And black kids are told that the world looks at them differently because it's true. Or it is in the US. It's harder for us to get jobs, our jail sentences are longer, we're often relegated to the lower neighborhoods. Funny how all these things are alway ignored.



On top of this, any single mother who raises their kid on her own is setting their kid up to fail.

Single moms need to stop being deified as saints who can do no wrong. It is completely irresponsible to have a child with a man who is not going to stick around. Make better decisions, single moms! It is also borderline abuse to raise a kid on your own with no father figure.

And most of the time these moms are working multiple jobs so have no time for their kid, so their kid is just growing up with little to no guidance doing whatever the **** they want, all because the selfish single mom decided to make the irresponsible decision of having children with an unsupportive man.

MAKE BETTER DECISIONS SINGLE MOMS. YOU ARE NOT BLAMELESS IN ALL OF THIS. THE MEDIA TELLS YOU YOU ARE GOD'S GIFT TO HUMANITY BUT THAT IS BULLSHIT. KIDS NEED FATHERS. IT IS CRUELTY AND BORDERLINE ABUSIVE TO RAISE YOUR CHILD WITH NO FATHER.


The results are there for all to see. Just look at the criminality rate of kids raised by single moms OF ALL RACES compared to kids who are raised with two parents OF ALL RACES.
I do agree with this. Our women need to stop procreation with black scummy men. And as I've told me daughters, women initially have the power. You chose who you allow to impregnate you.

I've always noticed this phenomenon. In my opinion, you have two different sets of people. The successful ones and the losers. Successful black men don't procreate with loser black females. But successful black females DO procreate with scummy black men.

[Overdrive]

i'd say its cultural more than anything. sure genetics play a part but influences and upbringing differentiate black people more from whities and azn's in behavior.

Won't argue any further here. We have different views, but yours aren't as extreme as I first thought and they came across for me.


http://nbc4i.com/2016/03/08/video-shows-suspect-shooting-at-police-officer/

Office approaches, gets out 'what's up man', and then a gun is put in his face and the trigger is pulled. Good thing they aren't as accurate when you shoot them sideways.

Darriyone Zamone Clark-Brown eh? 21 years old. Hope he got laid, cause he's not getting ***** again for a long, long time.

So... how was your day at work today?

From the other thread. I don't give a **** about race, prejudice or anything related, not even that incident. I live in the blackest district of the city, but we have like 1% black people overall in the city and for the district it's maybe 4-5% and there's simply no problem. Getting that out of the way:

How can you expect your kid being something else than a thug, if you name him Darriyone Zamone in a society that is conditioned to Michaels, Jameses, Bens? You're not an uncle tom if you name your kid Andrew. Those are no african names either, those are just stupid wannabe different "I'm proud of being black" names. If they're proud of their ancestry then why not something like Lumumba, Sentwali, Haile whatever?

[Cactus-Sack]

Considering blacks commit over half the crime in this country, a white suspect is much more likely to be killed than a black suspect.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact.



I don't think its inherited as much as it is stressed.

A dumb parent won't stress the value of intelligence.

There are many, many dumb people in this country who don't give a **** about their children's education. They may say they do, but they don't.

How many dumb parents force their kids to have an hour of 'study time' at home, every night, no matter what? Very, very few.

No, it is mostly inherited. You are conflating education with IQ which is quite silly.


Recent studies suggest that family and parenting characteristics are not significant contributors to variation in IQ scores; however, poor prenatal environment, malnutrition and disease can have deleterious effects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

[Cactus-Sack]

Lying, cheating, and murdering the indigenous populations of the world has worked for the whites for the past 500 years or so.
Yet it hasn't worked well for various other south American and sub Saharan cultures, so we must rule it out as a predictor of success

[warriorfan]

Yet it hasn't worked well for various other south American and sub Saharan cultures, so we must rule it out as a predictor of success

That is because white people are better at lying, cheating, and murdering.

[Overdrive]

No, it is mostly inherited. You are conflating education with IQ which is quite silly.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

You can train for IQ tests. Doesn't mean you get smarter, but education helps to awaken your intelligence. A non autistic guy, who has never seen a school let alone arabic numbers will not be able to form numerical series, unless he's incredible smart and has enough time.

[Nick Young]

I disgaree. As a black man, I've always been told that in order to succeed, I must work two or three times as hard as my white counterparts. And thus has been the case for the most part.

And black kids are told that the world looks at them differently because it's true. Or it is in the US. It's harder for us to get jobs, our jail sentences are longer, we're often relegated to the lower neighborhoods. Funny how all these things are alway ignored.


Most kids don't have the will of fire. If they are told from a young age "You need to work 3 times as hard as everyone of other races, just to reach the same level as everyone else, and even then the whole world will hate you" then most kids are going to grow up believing they have no shot at success no matter what they do, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when they stop trying at being successful and give up prematurely.

Teaching little kids this kind of shit will hold them back.


Even if it is true that black kids are more likely to be imprisoned and less likely to get jobs, ingraining the idea in to their heads that the system is against them from the very beginning is not going to inspire them to do what it takes to succeed.

Most kids will just think "Well I could work 3 times as hard as everyone else and still will fail because everyone hates me so what's the ****ing point?"

It is not right to pretend that racism doesn't exist, but at the same time, telling a kid they are f*cked and society hates them no matter what they do is damaging to development, and not very motivating for young kids to hear.

ALSO affirmative action scholarships and hiring processes are damaging to self esteem. Even when black kids do succeed and get in to the best schools or get the best job, many will always have the nagging feeling that they only got that spot due to affirmative action laws and filling the diversity quotient-and not out of pure merit.

If you want a young kid to succeed, you need to encourage them from a young age, and not plant negative ideas in their head that the world is stacked against them and they are f*cked no matter what they do.

And you need to stop telling black kids that they need affirmative action benefits and lower entry standards just to be at the same level as everyone else.

Society it self will not change over night, but kids who are taught they can do what ever they want as long as they work for it are more likely to succeed compared to kids who are told every day that no matter what they do they are going to fail because society has rigged the game against them.

[Cactus-Sack]

You can train for IQ tests. Doesn't mean you get smarter, but education helps to awaken your intelligence. A non autistic guy, who has never seen a school let alone arabic numbers will not be able to form numerical series, unless he's incredible smart and has enough time.
That's like saying a genius would do poorly if they took an IQ test in another language. It's irrelevant

[97 bulls]

Most kids don't have the will of fire. If they are told from a young age "You need to work 3 times as hard as everyone of other races, just to reach the same level as everyone else, and even then the whole world will hate you" then most kids are going to grow up believing they have no shot at success no matter what they do, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when they stop trying at being successful and give up prematurely.

Teaching little kids this kind of shit will hold them back.


Even if it is true that black kids are more likely to be imprisoned and less likely to get jobs, ingraining the idea in to their heads that the system is against them from the very beginning is not going to inspire them to do what it takes to succeed.

Most kids will just think "Well I could work 3 times as hard as everyone else and still will fail because everyone hates me so what's the ****ing point?"

It is not right to pretend that racism doesn't exist, but at the same time, telling a kid they are f*cked and society hates them no matter what they do is damaging to development, and not very motivating for young kids to hear.

ALSO affirmative action scholarships and hiring processes are damaging to self esteem. Even when black kids do succeed and get in to the best schools or get the best job, many will always have the nagging feeling that they only got that spot due to affirmative action laws and filling the diversity quotient-and not out of pure merit.

If you want a young kid to succeed, you need to encourage them from a young age, and not plant negative ideas in their head that the world is stacked against them and they are f*cked no matter what they do.

And you need to stop telling black kids that they need affirmative action benefits and lower entry standards just to be at the same level as everyone else.

Society it self will not change over night, but kids who are taught they can do what ever they want as long as they work for it are more likely to succeed compared to kids who are told every day that no matter what they do they are going to fail because society has rigged the game against them.
I see it more as preparing our kids. We can see it every day. The stats show it. Ever done research on the prison industrial complex? How are we to explain to our kids that they're gonna be three times as accountable as their white peers? Facts are facts. No one is perfect. But in our society, blacks are expected to be. Why?

[Cactus-Sack]

That is because white people are better at lying, cheating, and murdering.
This is demonstrably false

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Blacks are the greatest killers in the united states, black males in particular. Black males make up roughly 6.5% of the total population, yet account for roughly 50% of the homicides

[Nick Young]

I see it more as preparing our kids. We can see it every day. The stats show it. Ever done research on the prison industrial complex? How are we to explain to our kids that they're gonna be three times as accountable as their white peers? Facts are facts. No one is perfect. But in our society, blacks are expected to be. Why?
Look dude.

Most kids don't do shit that gets them involved with the police in the first place.

If you tell a kid the police are against him and no matter what he does he is going to be ****ed, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Whereas if you treat a kid like he's just as capable as the other kids, he will succeed and act like the other kids.

If you tell all the black kids in the class-YOU-YOU GUYS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THE WORLD IS AGAINST YOU, AND IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SUCCEED and then hold them to different standards than you do non-black kids, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

They will grow up with a defeatist victim complex, blaming all of their failures on racism and the world being against them rather than taking personal responsibility, and that kind of attitude is not the recipe for success.


As long as we continue to racially segregate by instilling kids with different beliefs early based on their race, racial segregation and racial hatred is going to continue.

If you teach all kids the same lessons, and treat all kids like they're equally capable, they all have a better chance to succeed.

People will not grow up to be segregationist racists if no one teaches them to be segregationist racists.


Us Jews for example are taught about the Holocaust and all of the shit that was done against Jewish people through out history, but we aren't taught to constantly moan about it and blame antisemitism every time shit gets wrong. We are taught that it is out there but we don't let it dominate our lives.

It seems like many black kids are taught to believe that every time something doesn't go their way, it's because of systematic racism. This kind of attitude just leads to people not taking responsibility for their actions.

Sorry bro but the Holocaust was much worse than slavery in America, and you do not see Jews blaming the Holocaust and antisemitism every time they fail at something.

FIND THE BALANCE. Don't ignore history or racism in current times, but also don't teach kids that they have zero chance.

[Cactus-Sack]

Here is further evidence of my theory on IQ being the greatest predictor of success:

[QUOTE]The average IQ score of Ashkenazi Jews have been calculated to be 112

[Nick Young]

Here is further evidence of my theory on IQ being the greatest predictor of success:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence


Obviously we all know that Jews are the most disproportionately successful ethnicity in the US, the are also the most intelligent ethnicity. Not a coincidence.

we da bess:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

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[97 bulls]

Look dude.

Most kids don't do shit that gets them involved with the police in the first place.

If you tell a kid the police are against him and no matter what he does he is going to be ****ed, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Whereas if you treat a kid like he's just as capable as the other kids, he will succeed and act like the other kids.

If you tell all the black kids in the class-YOU-YOU GUYS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THE WORLD IS AGAINST YOU, AND IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SUCCEED and then hold them to different standards than you do non-black kids, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

They will grow up with a defeatist victim complex, blaming all of their failures on racism and the world being against them rather than taking personal responsibility, and that kind of attitude is not the recipe for success.


As long as we continue to racially segregate by instilling kids with different beliefs early based on their race, racial segregation and racial hatred is going to continue.

If you teach all kids the same lessons, and treat all kids like they're equally capable, they all have a better chance to succeed.

People will not grow up to be segregationist racists if no one teaches them to be segregationist racists.
I'm not disgareeing with you Nick. I guess I'm just much more realistic. Why do we have to lie to our children? In a eutopian society, what you say would be true. But it's not. Are we just supposed to ignore what we see every day?

I don't see whats so wrong here. Asking our children to be perfect is not a realistic goal. And even then there is no guarantee that they'll come out a success.

So to summarize. I teach my son to work hard stay out of trouble, get good grades etc. Then he get caught with some marijuana. Or petty theft. Something that all kids do. His punishment is twice as harsh as that of a white kid. The difference is when the black kid is caught, his life is gonna be a living hell as opposed to children of other races. Kids are gonna be kids. Why cant Black kids be afforded the same leeway?????

[Cactus-Sack]

we da bess:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

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Is your genealogy Ashkenazic?

[Nick Young]

I'm not disgareeing with you Nick. I guess I'm just much more realistic. Why do we have to lie to our children? In a eutopian society, what you say would be true. But it's not. Are we just supposed to ignore what we see every day?

I don't see whats so wrong here. Asking our children to be perfect is not a realistic goal. And even then there is no guarantee that they'll come out a success.

So to summarize. I teach my son to work hard stay out of trouble, get good grades etc. Then he get caught with some marijuana. Or petty theft. Something that all kids do. His punishment is twice as harsh as that of a white kid. The difference is when the black kid is caught, his life is gonna be a living hell as opposed to children of other races. Kids are gonna be kids. Why cant Black kids be afforded the same leeway?????
I don't think it is lying to children. It is more like giving them a positive world view rather than a defeatist world view.

Even if the odds are stacked against them, who has a better chance of getting through-the kid who was raised to believe he has no shot at success or the kid who was encouraged and told throughout their child hood that they can become whatever they want to be as long as they work hard enough for it?

Don't ignore history, and the ugly parts of the world, but also don't put such a stress and focus on those parts compared to how much stress you give on positive encouragement.

Don't set kids up to fail and be negative. Set them up to succeed and be positive.

[Nick Young]

Is your genealogy Ashkenazic?
Are Russian/Latvian Jews ashkenazic? that is my genealogy.

[Cactus-Sack]

Are Russian/Latvian Jews ashkenazic? that is my genealogy.
Being a gentile, my early Jewish history isn't great, but I believe they make up the majority of the Jewish population of the US and were originally from central/eastern Europe.

[Nick Young]

Being a gentile, my early Jewish history isn't great, but I believe they make up the majority of the Jewish population of the US and were originally from central/eastern Europe.
Ashkenazi FTW:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[TheMan]

Nick Young and Godzuki are living proof that Jews and Asians do have idiots amongst their populations...

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Nick Young and Godzuki are living proof that Jews and Asians do have have idiots amongst their populations...

Less about being one, than breaching the laws of their traditions.

[Godzuki]

Nick Young and Godzuki are living proof that Jews and Asians do have idiots amongst their populations...

at least u admit youre racially iq inferior :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

at least u admit youre racially iq inferior :oldlol:
I don't believe this. I believe it has to do with a combo of nature and nurture, not pure genetics.

[97 bulls]

I don't think it is lying to children. It is more like giving them a positive world view rather than a defeatist world view.

Even if the odds are stacked against them, who has a better chance of getting through-the kid who was raised to believe he has no shot at success or the kid who was encouraged and told throughout their child hood that they can become whatever they want to be as long as they work hard enough for it?

Don't ignore history, and the ugly parts of the world, but also don't put such a stress and focus on those parts compared to how much stress you give on positive encouragement.

Don't set kids up to fail and be negative. Set them up to succeed and be positive.
That's a little extreme. Why do people think that black parents don't love their children enough to teach them right from wrong? It's not enough to just say that if you work hard you'll succeed in the black community. It just isn't. Stats don't show it. History doesn't either. I taught my son and daughters to work hard but know what your up against. And even then kids are gonna be kids. They're gonna do dumb things. Blacks punishmentioned for doing those dumb things are much more severe. And that's where we obviously disgaree.

[tmacattack33]

1. Blacks have endured everything that white immigrants such as Italians and Irish have endured, except they worked in chains and after that under Jim Crow. During Jim Crow, whites could own property, accumulate wealth, attend schools, and find employment, all of which were systematically denied blacks.

2. Unlike Irish, Italians, and other white immigrants who got the benefit of their whiteness to work from scratch and earn their way into the American mainstream, blacks got the short end of the employment and educational stick and were denied the fruits of their labor.

3. Whites are not harassed in stores by clerks who believe they do not have money to buy goods.

4. Whites are not harassed by cops and killed by police as routinely as blacks. Blacks are charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than whites. They are sentenced to 10% longer terms than whites for federal crimes.

5. Black unemployment levels are consistently higher than whites unemployment levels. Blacks suffer chronic double-digit unemployment.

6. Blacks are nearly three times more likely than whites to be denied a mortgage. According to the Center for Responsible Lending, blacks were 150% more likely to get a high-cost loan with low interest rates that adjusted upward after two or three years.

7. From 2007 to 2009 black home ownership rates fell by 6% (to the lowest level since 1995), a drop more than twice that experienced by any other racial group in the United States. Blacks lost 31% of their wealth between 2007 and 2010, whereas whites lost 11%.

8. By 2009, 35% of black households had zero or negative net worth. They can't pass down wealth/assets for future generations the way whites can.

9. Nearly half of black families have lived in poor neighborhoods for two generations, compared to just 7% for whites.

10. White ex-felons are more likely to be called back for a job interview than blacks who have never been to prison.

11. Median black household income is lower than whites.

12. Blacks lead the nation in rates of heart disease, cancer, and HIV/AIDS.

13. Only 5 black CEOs at 500 biggest companies.

14. There isn't a black Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Steve Wynn, Donald Trump, etc, etc. Besides entertainment and sports there aren't really any black business moguls/titans like Gates, Buffett, etc.

15. In terms of how athletes are perceived there can be a double standard. Richard Sherman was called a thug after a post game interview. Paul Azinger called LeBron James a thug for a bit of trash talking. Larry Bird was the king of trash talking but was never called a thug.



What do you feel are the reasons/causes for these issues in general and what can be done to change it?


You seem a little overly on the black peoples side. Usually I am in support of the black agenda. But you're overboard on it.

How about this...Why do so many black men end up as dead-beat parents, leaving their child with a single mother ?

I'm not sure how this can be influenced by the white man and "the system". I'm also not sure how it is influence by being poor...if you are poor, this means the single mother is probably also poor, which gives you even more reason to help out and actually be a father to your kids.

[97 bulls]

You seem a little overly on the black peoples side. Usually I am in support of the black agenda. But you're overboard on it.

How about this...Why do so many black men end up as dead-beat parents, leaving their child with a single mother ?

I'm not sure how this can be influenced by the white man and "the system". I'm also not sure how it is influence by being poor...if you are poor, this means the single mother is probably also poor, which gives you even more reason to help out and actually be a father to your kids.
Honestly? It's a small percentage. Most black men love and take care of their children. They may not be in the home because they can't get along with the mother, or they live together but don't marry, are incarcerated and then obviously are just scum. And often, another black man steps in for them.

[Nick Young]

That's a little extreme. Why do people think that black parents don't love their children enough to teach them right from wrong?

I don't think that, but like we both agree on, and statistics show, single parents often don't have enough time to spend with their kids, and kids raised by single mothers have a higher chance of becoming criminals than kids raised by two parents. And sadly, for whatever reason, statistics show that black kids have a higher chance of growing up without a father than kids of other races.



It's not enough to just say that if you work hard you'll succeed in the black community. It just isn't. Stats don't show it. History doesn't either. I taught my son and daughters to work hard but know what your up against. And even then kids are gonna be kids. They're gonna do dumb things. Blacks punishmentioned for doing those dumb things are much more severe. And that's where we obviously disgaree.
dude most kids in the world don't ever get in to incidents that involve the police, just keep raising your kids right and they probably won't either.

[97 bulls]

I don't think that, but like we both agree on, and statistics show, single parents often don't have enough time to spend with their kids, and kids raised by single mothers have a higher chance of becoming criminals than kids raised by two parents. And sadly, for whatever reason, statistics show that black kids have a higher chance of growing up without a father than kids of other races.


dude most kids in the world don't ever get in to incidents that involve the police, just keep raising your kids right and they probably won't either.
Dude......ok. let's take this from a different angle. We both agree that overall, when it comes to crine, single parent households, poverty, etc. Blacks more than have their fair share right? Now. The question is......WHY???? Either you believe that blacks are I inherently evil, lazy, and morally inept. Or there is something that causes this. Which is it?

[Nick Young]

Dude......ok. let's take this from a different angle. We both agree that overall, when it comes to crine, single parent households, poverty, etc. Blacks more than have their fair share right? Now. The question is......WHY???? Either you believe that blacks are I inherently evil, lazy, and morally inept. Or there is something that causes this. Which is it?
I don't know why! Do you? What I'm getting at is I think it's because the lack of fathers helping to raise kids.

Why is it the case that so many black kids in America grow up to single mothers? I don't ****ing know. I don't know the root cause of it all. Do you? What is your best guess?

[97 bulls]

I don't know why! Do you? What I'm getting at is I think it's because the lack of fathers helping to raise kids.

Why is it the case that so many black kids in America grow up to single mothers? I don't ****ing know. I don't know the root cause of it all. Do you? What is your best guess?
Lack of fathers plays a huge role. But why didbl the fathers leave? That wasn't an epidemic till the 70s and 80? It was welfare. Because a stipulation to a family being on welfare and or being able to take full advantage is that A MAN CAN'T BE PRESENT AND OR WORKING!!!!!! Mothers began raising their kids both boys and girls virtually alone, then they began to feEl having a dad in the house wasn't neccesaary. But then it goes much deeper. I mentioned the prison industrial complex earlier. There's money in putting people in prison. Black men are disproportionately imprisoned as well. Often for nothing more than drug charges. Then when they're let out, it's virtually impossible for them to find any kind of employment. So what do they do? They gotta live. They go back to committing crimes again. And the cycle continues. The stats are there. It's not rocket science. There's big money in the prison industry and it's main comodite is black men. Being herded in for doing thing that statistically they don't do any more than any other race.

[Im Still Ballin]

The law is the law. They need to stop making stupid decisions, show some responsibility and accountability.

[97 bulls]

The law is the law. They need to stop making stupid decisions, show some responsibility and accountability.
See Nick. This is what I'm talking about. Blacks MUST BE PERFECT. If we mess up, we get what we deserve. Whatever that may be. Along with Latinos. Whites mess up as well, but they're not held to the same standard. Why? Perhaps blacks are the superior race. Why else would such lofty expectations be heaped on us?

[Nick Young]

See Nick. This is what I'm talking about. Blacks MUST BE PERFECT. If we mess up, we get what we deserve. Whatever that may be. Along with Latinos. Whites mess up as well, but they're not held to the same standard. Why? Perhaps blacks are the superior race. Why else would such lofty expectations be heaped on us?
I don't get it. Why not just not break the law at all? :confusedshrug:

Lofty expectations are heaped and also low expectations are heaped, that is why affirmative action gives black people lower standards of entry and more free scholarship money, not to mention the "diversity hire" industry.

I definitely agree that black people get thrown in jail for no reason. My friend was in jail for 30 days and he said there were some black dudes in there who were just eating dinner with their mom in their house and the cops just kicked in the door and arrested them even though they didn't do shit, with no warrant.

Yep that's bad. How do we stop the pos from targeting black people and treating them badly? Even black cops are brutal and racist like this towards black people, if you go by arrest statistics.

[Im Still Ballin]

See Nick. This is what I'm talking about. Blacks MUST BE PERFECT. If we mess up, we get what we deserve. Whatever that may be. Along with Latinos. Whites mess up as well, but they're not held to the same standard. Why? Perhaps blacks are the superior race. Why else would such lofty expectations be heaped on us?
You're getting emotional. I never said they exclusively need to be the only ones showing responsibility and accountability.

You bring this up. Why do they commit crimes at an extremely higher rate than other races? Think about this. You can point fingers and shift blame, but at the end of the day it's no ones fault but the individuals themselves.

[97 bulls]

I don't get it. Why not just not break the law at all? :confusedshrug:

Lofty expectations are heaped and also low expectations are heaped, that is why affirmative action gives black people lower standards of entry and more free scholarship money, not to mention the "diversity hire" industry.

I definitely agree that black people get thrown in jail for no reason. My friend was in jail for 30 days and he said there were some black dudes in there who were just eating dinner with their mom in their house and the cops just kicked in the door and arrested them even though they didn't do shit, with no warrant.

Yep that's bad. How do we stop the pos from targeting black people and treating them badly? Even black cops are brutal and racist like this towards black people, if you go by arrest statistics.
If I remember correct like 85% of prison inmates are in there behind drug related offenses. But stats also show that blacks don't use drugs any more than any other race. So why are they jailed at a higher rate. Hell stats show that it's whites that actually use and sale drugs at a higher rate per capita. Again no one is perfect. People are gonna make mistake. Ever received a ticket? Been in a ln accident that was your fault? If a judge gave you 2 years for running a red light I'm sure you'd be pretty upset. And think that that harsh of a penalty is rediculous. But what does it matter? You shouldn't have broke the law right???

[Im Still Ballin]

The baseline answer is simple. There is a serious cultural problem. Drugs, hip hop, basketball. We all know this to be true. You can magically attribute this blame to slavery, and treat your people like a bunch of babies... Or you can admit there is a serious problem, not starting blaming others as if it will help anyone, and start to build a better tomorrow.

[Nick Young]

If I remember correct like 85% of prison inmates are in there behind drug related offenses. But stats also show that blacks don't use drugs any more than any other race. So why are they jailed at a higher rate. Hell stats show that it's whites that actually use and sale drugs at a higher rate per capita. Again no one is perfect. People are gonna make mistake. Ever received a ticket? Been in a ln accident that was your fault? If a judge gave you 2 years for running a red light I'm sure you'd be pretty upset. And think that that harsh of a penalty is rediculous. But what does it matter? You shouldn't have broke the law right???
Black dudes are always selling drugs on corners in the middle of the day. Of course they are easy to catch compared to dealers who don't operate predictable hours and territory like that.

That's one possible explanation.


I got punished by the law and got a ticket for the most stupid shit imaginable. I am white. The judge threw the book at me with her fine. Ultimately though, yes, I should not have broken the law and ultimately it is entirely MY RESPONSIBILITY. Even though I think the fine was excessive, it was still entirely my fault that I got in trouble and fined in the first place.

[Im Still Ballin]

You know why profiling is necessary? Because policing is not perfect. It requires strategy. It's a matter of life or death a lot of the time. Identity and social politics have no business with this. You can be a reasonable and understanding citizen, or you can jeopardize the safety and efficiency of those protecting the people.

This is a harsh reality, but you have to look at the numbers. They do the best they can with the facts they have. Is there problems with law and order? Yes. There always has been, there always will be. But the best thing you can do is understand it. It will never be like the Minority report.

You can't ignore statistics, but you can change your outlook as a person. An individual with constitutional freedoms and liberties. You as an individual will not be another statistic, because you have a rational conscience with individual freedom of choice. YOU decide. YOU make the choice. It's your responsibility and you shall be accountable for such.

[97 bulls]

Black dudes are always selling drugs on corners in the middle of the day. Of course they are easy to catch compared to dealers who don't operate predictable hours and territory like that.

That's one possible explanation.


I got punished by the law and got a ticket for the most stupid shit imaginable. I am white. The judge threw the book at me with her fine. Ultimately though, yes, I should not have broken the law and ultimately it is entirely MY RESPONSIBILITY. Even though I think the fine was excessive, it was still entirely my fault that I got in trouble and fined in the first place.
Lol. Have you ever lived in a black neighborhood? That's extreme. Most drug dealers sale out of their house. Maybe at a park. But rarely on a corner. Trust me I know. You know how blacks get caught? Walking down the street with drugs on them, a cops feels they look suspicious and stop them. Or they pulled over for a busted tail light etc. Very petty stuff.

Your missing the point about the ticket. Let's say the judge slapped you with a $5000 fine and probation for running a red light. You'd be a bold faced lie if you would come away thinking I shouldn't have broke the law. Especially when everyone else's fine is roughly $350 to $400. That's what we're up against.

[97 bulls]

The baseline answer is simple. There is a serious cultural problem. Drugs, hip hop, basketball. We all know this to be true. You can magically attribute this blame to slavery, and treat your people like a bunch of babies... Or you can admit there is a serious problem, not starting blaming others as if it will help anyone, and start to build a better tomorrow.
Lol. I honestly think white people use the slavery argument more than blacks. Not once have I alluded to slavery. In fact, I even stats that black families were better off BEFORE WELFARE WAS IMPLEMENTED.

[Nick Young]

Lol. Have you ever lived in a black neighborhood? That's extreme. Most drug dealers sale out of their house. Maybe at a park. But rarely on a corner. Trust me I know. You know how blacks get caught? Walking down the street with drugs on them, a cops feels they look suspicious and stop them. Or they pulled over for a busted tail light etc. Very petty stuff.

Your missing the point about the ticket. Let's say the judge slapped you with a $5000 fine and probation for running a red light. You'd be a bold faced lie if you would come away thinking I shouldn't have broke the law. Especially when everyone else's fine is roughly $350 to $400. That's what we're up against.
I told you. I got an extremely excessive fine for a petty nothing "crime" that most people don't even get warnings for when police walk by and see it happening.

I walked away from that frustrated, but ultimately accepting the fact that it was entirely on me. If I had not committed the petty "crime" in the first place, there would have been no excuse for the police to give me a ticket, or the judge to throw the book at me with the fine. ULTIMATELY IT WAS ENTIRELY MY RESPONSIBILITY. What you are describing actually happened to me. It did not destroy my life. And no, I am not rich.
Yes, I did walk away from this situation knowing that it was ENTIRELY ON ME.

Yes I have always lived in "multicultural" neighborhoods with kids of all different races and yes, even black kids. My aunt lives in Compton and I used to visit her a lot. Black drug dealer kids were just selling their shit in the middle of the day. They'd do it in my middle school and high school too. BE DISCREET, DUMBASSES. My friends who are dealers and not black don't just shill their shit in the middle of the day on the same territory every day-THEY ARE DISCREET.


If kids get caught by the police walking down the street with drugs on them, THAT IS ENTIRELY THE KID'S FAULT. DON'T BE WALKING AROUND WITH DRUGS ON YOU IF YOU AREN'T WILLING TO FACE THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lol. I honestly think white people use the slavery argument more than blacks. Not once have I alluded to slavery. In fact, I even stats that black families were better off BEFORE WELFARE WAS IMPLEMENTED.
So it's not a race problem. Why are you making it out to be one? Welfare isn't racially exclusive

[97 bulls]

You know why profiling is necessary? Because policing is not perfect. It requires strategy. It's a matter of life or death a lot of the time. Identity and social politics have no business with this. You can be a reasonable and understanding citizen, or you can jeopardize the safety and efficiency of those protecting the people.

This is a harsh reality, but you have to look at the numbers. They do the best they can with the facts they have. Is there problems with law and order? Yes. There always has been, there always will be. But the best thing you can do is understand it. It will never be like the Minority report.

You can't ignore statistics, but you can change your outlook as a person. An individual with constitutional freedoms and liberties. You as an individual will not be another statistic, because you have a rational conscience with individual freedom of choice. YOU decide. YOU make the choice. It's your responsibility and you shall be accountable for such.
I agree. I just take exception to this notion that blacks are inherently bad based on stats. You can't put us in a hole deeper than everyone else then wonder why we have such a hard time getting out. That's my only point?

What is black culpability in this? We need to go back to the days of black Wallstreet when we owned our own. Black women need to stop procreating with these sorry ass black men. And we need to build wealth for our kids. That's why all other races are successful. We need to stop allowing other minorities to open up businesses in our communities. We can't do it in theirs. And stop going to the white authorities to solve our problems. I have an Asian friends and he told me that his family handles all matters in house. And if someone doesn't act right, his inheritance is taken from him. We as blacks need to do that as well.

[97 bulls]

So it's not a race problem. Why are you making it out to be one? Welfare isn't racially exclusive
It's what started our overall demise.

[97 bulls]

I told you. I got an extremely excessive fine for a petty nothing "crime" that most people don't even get warnings for when police walk by and see it happening.

I walked away from that frustrated, but ultimately accepting the fact that it was entirely on me. If I had not committed the petty "crime" in the first place, there would have been no excuse for the police to give me a ticket, or the judge to throw the book at me with the fine. ULTIMATELY IT WAS ENTIRELY MY RESPONSIBILITY. What you are describing actually happened to me. It did not destroy my life. And no, I am not rich.
Yes, I did walk away from this situation knowing that it was ENTIRELY ON ME.

Yes I have always lived in "multicultural" neighborhoods with kids of all different races and yes, even black kids. My aunt lives in Compton and I used to visit her a lot. Black drug dealer kids were just selling their shit in the middle of the day. They'd do it in my middle school and high school too. BE DISCREET, DUMBASSES. My friends who are dealers and not black don't just shill their shit in the middle of the day on the same territory every day-THEY ARE DISCREET.


If kids get caught by the police walking down the street with drugs on them, THAT IS ENTIRELY THE KID'S FAULT. DON'T BE WALKING AROUND WITH DRUGS ON YOU IF YOU AREN'T WILLING TO FACE THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.
What was the crime?

You lived in Compton? I use to as well? I bought my first house in Compton. On the corner of Compton Blvd and Wilmington when I was 24. I live in Downey now.

Saying that, guys don't sale drugs like that. I disgaree. It's portrayed like that in movies. But that's just not true. Like I said a large portion of my life has been spent in Cpt Long beach and Watts. I don't see it.

[Nick Young]

What was the crime?

You lived in Compton? I use to as well? I bought my first house in Compton. On the corner of Compton Blvd and Wilmington when I was 24. I live in Downey now.

Saying that, guys don't sale drugs like that. I disgaree. It's portrayed like that in movies. But that's just not true. Like I said a large portion of my life has been spent in Cpt Long beach and Watts. I don't see it.
I only lived there for one summer at my aunts house.

Kids were selling drugs like that all over the place, in the middle of the day.

Black dealer kids are doing the same shit where I live here in London, UK :lol

[Overdrive]

That's like saying a genius would do poorly if they took an IQ test in another language. It's irrelevant

Yes it is and that's a reason. It's not irrelevant. IQ tests are made for several ages. If you want to test a 8 year old he/she doesn't get the same test a 25 year old gets. You can't compare someone who has only rudimentary education to someone with a college degree and by the IQ test you can't judge why he does fail.

Not all parts of the test are enhanced by education, but some stem from math problems and they can be learned and trained. I'm not saying you can teach something that isn't there, you have to be intelligent to understand the basic problem, but you can to learn how to solve it due to education.

If you have something like this:

8, 2, 6, 3, 4, 5, 2, x - please fill in a number for x

How can somebody without proper education know this? They won't see any principle behind this.

I'm not saying it's not inherited. It is of course for the most part, but how come judging by those posted Gau

[NumberSix]

More whites are on welfare by sheer numbers. I won't argue that. Considering whites make up the majority of this country, the majority of the recipients, one would imagine, would be white.
:no:

Blacks: 39.8%
Whites: 38.8%
Hispanic: 15.7%
Asian: 2.4%
Other: 3.3%

[masonanddixon]

Blacks are generally lazy and lack any sort of introspection. They used to be great back in the 40-60s but Blacks are just garbage now for the most part. Just essentially shitty DNA.

[Overdrive]

Blacks are generally lazy and lack any sort of introspection. They used to be great back in the 40-60s but Blacks are just garbage now for the most part. Just essentially shitty DNA.

Why are you fan of a sport that has mostly black athletes? Shouldn't you watch polo or something like that?

[masonanddixon]

Why are you fan of a sport that has mostly black athletes? Shouldn't you watch polo or something like that?

There's nothing wrong with black athletes. I'm just stating an opinion.

Most white people are pure garbage too. I just dislike blacks more because of the victim mentality. But I despise both.

[NumberSix]

If I remember correct like 85% of prison inmates are in there behind drug related offenses. But stats also show that blacks don't use drugs any more than any other race. So why are they jailed at a higher rate. Hell stats show that it's whites that actually use and sale drugs at a higher rate per capita. Again no one is perfect. People are gonna make mistake. Ever received a ticket? Been in a ln accident that was your fault? If a judge gave you 2 years for running a red light I'm sure you'd be pretty upset. And think that that harsh of a penalty is rediculous. But what does it matter? You shouldn't have broke the law right???
Drug related =/= drug use.

"Drug related" can mean anything from drug use, selling, drug related gang violence, etc...

And I don't know how you determine that blacks and whites use drugs the same amount. Unless they're getting caught, how do you know they're doing it?

[97 bulls]

Drug related =/= drug use.

"Drug related" can mean anything from drug use, selling, drug related gang violence, etc...
I'm talking about arrests. It can be possession, use, trafficking, selling, manufacturing, paraphernalia, perhaps I'm missing some. But doing a drive buy would not be constituted as a drug related offense. Possessing a firearm illegally even if it's used to kill another drug dealer or protection from drug dealers, users, etc would not be constituted as a drug related offense


And I don't know how you determine that blacks and whites use drugs the same amount. Unless they're getting caught, how do you know they're doing it?
Probably surveys. I believe that to be true. Drugs like heroin, marijuana, qualudes, cocaine, otc, are considered white people drugs. Blacks? Crack and marijuana.

[Heilige]

Akrazotile and Godzuki, what do you believe are the causes and reasons for the racial disparities listed in my op?

[Euroleague]

The first main reason is that the average IQ in the USA is 83. The typical white person in USA is mentally retarded, with the average IQ of whites in the Southern US, and in sparsely populated rural areas through most of the US for example, also being 83. Therefore, most of them support racism, since the vast majority of racists are mentally retarded.

Then the second main reason is that blacks, Arabs, Mexicans (all of the groups that the racist white retarded hate groups are mainly focused on destroying), have an even lower IQ than whites in the Southern USA for instance. IQs in the 70 range are typical for those above 3 groups. So since they are even more retarded in general than most of the retarded whites, they get dominated over and controlled. Because they don't understand how to properly fight back against the hoards of retarded white racists.

Posts already made in this thread also confirm that the average ISH poster suffers from severe mental retardation.

The end.

[UK2K]

Akrazotile and Godzuki, what do you believe are the causes and reasons for the racial disparities listed in my op?

1) Difference in cultural values
2) Shitty parents

You take a black kid, teach him the value of an education, teach him discipline and respect...

And then there is no difference.

Ben Carson is a fine example.

[Heilige]

The first main reason is that the average IQ in the USA is 83. The typical white person in USA is mentally retarded, with the average IQ of whites in the Southern US, and in sparsely populated rural areas through most of the US for example, also being 83. Therefore, most of them support racism, since the vast majority of racists are mentally retarded.

Then the second main reason is that blacks, Arabs, Mexicans (all of the groups that the racist white retarded hate groups are mainly focused on destroying), have an even lower IQ than whites in the Southern USA for instance. IQs in the 70 range are typical for those above 3 groups. So since they are even more retarded in general than most of the retarded whites, they get dominated over and controlled. Because they don't understand how to properly fight back against the hoards of retarded white racists.

Posts already made in this thread also confirm that the average ISH poster suffers from severe mental retardation.

The end.



What are the IQ rates for Whites, Blacks, Arabs, and Mexicans in the northern states?

[Euroleague]

Here is further evidence of my theory on IQ being the greatest predictor of success:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence


Obviously we all know that Jews are the most disproportionately successful ethnicity in the US, the are also the most intelligent ethnicity. Not a coincidence.

Jews in the US and Israel have an average IQ of 81. They consistently score lower than white Europeans and Asians.

[UK2K]

Jews in the US and Israel have an average IQ of 81. They consistently score lower than white Europeans and Asians.


Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century.

Or this.

[Euroleague]

What are the IQ rates for Whites, Blacks, Arabs, and Mexicans in the northern states?

For blacks, Arabs, and Mexicans anywhere in the USA, the IQ rates on average, are between 65-73.

For whites in the Northern states, the average IQ ranges from between 83 to 112, depending on the area.

Realize that the whole "the average IQ is 100" thing is a totally made up and fabricated load of bullshit. And anyone with common sense would be able to figure out that the "average" score would never equal exactly 100 over literally hundreds of millions of people.

It's a Bell curve based trajectory, where they take the lowest average IQ scores in the white group (78-83 IQ) and call that a 100 IQ score. That is also where the "racially biased" claims come from. Because they use a Bell curve on the white IQ scores.

The supposed IQs of Jews, that have already been cited here, are simply made up propaganda and completely untrue. They consistently score an average IQ of 81. But they like to write their own "highest IQ of all scores" fake stories. That is where the "culturally biased" claims about IQ testing come from.

European whites and people of the Asian race (in particular the Chinese) have always had the highest IQ scores. For the white Europeans, the farther north into Europe you go, the higher the averages for IQs get. And vice versa, the farther south you go in Europe, the IQs get lower on average.

[Euroleague]

Or this.

People that use fake propaganda made up bullshit as reliable sources and believe they are actual "fact", are clearly mentally retarded.

That would be you.

[UK2K]

People that use fake propaganda made up bullshit as reliable sources and believe they are actual "fact", are clearly mentally retarded.

That would be you.

Truth hurts. You should cry about it.


Richwine either relished in the controversy or didn’t care. In 2008, while at the American Enterprise Institute, he joined a panel discussing a new book from Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “Decades of psychometric testing,” said Richwine, “has indicated that at least in America you have Jews with the highest average IQ, usually followed by East Asians, and then you have non-Jewish whites, Hispanics, and then blacks. These are real differences. They’re not going to go away tomorrow.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/video-heritage-analyst-argued-blacks-hispanics-have-lowest-i#.vubByjLvZ

[Euroleague]

Truth hurts. You should cry about it.



http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/video-heritage-analyst-argued-blacks-hispanics-have-lowest-i#.vubByjLvZ

You have confirmed by your posts here that you are all of the following:

1. A retard

2. A racist

3. A xenophobe

4. A pro eugenics creep

5. A liar

6. A propagandist

7. A useless idiot moron breeder and feeder

8. A Marxist

9. That you are, at a probability of 100% percent, an extreme right wing fascist

10. That you are, at a probability of 99.9% percent, a NAZI, or any of the other names they like to use (Zionist, Neo-Nazi, Neocon, Patriot, Tea Party, Libertarians, etc., etc.)

Finally, you are clearly a redneck hick, beyond any doubt whatsoever.

[UK2K]

You have confirmed by your posts here that you are all of the following:

1. A retard

2. A racist

3. A xenophobe.

4. A pro eugenics creep

5. A liar

6. A propagandist

7. A useless idiot moron breeder and feeder

8. A Marxist.

9. That you are, at a probability of 100% percent, an extreme right wing fascist.

10. That you are, at a probability of 99.9% percent, a NAZI, or any of the other names they like to use (Zionist, Neo-Nazi, Neocon, Patriot, Tea Party, Libertarians, etc., etc.)

No, really dude, if you don't have anything to refute what I said, just pretend like you never saw it. Cause right now, you are looking awfully desperate.

You're right, I am a super Nazi. I just got into the office from handing out shoes to needy inner city kids with Samaritan's Feet. Because I am a Nazi.

:lol :lol

Run along, guy.

[Euroleague]

No, really dude, if you don't have anything to refute what I said, just pretend like you never saw it. Cause right now, you are looking awfully desperate.

You're right, I am a super Nazi. I just got into the office from handing out shoes to needy inner city kids with Samaritan's Feet. Because I am a Nazi.

:lol :lol

Run along, guy.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ivxFojOBbW9LW/200.gif

Your IQ is around 60. The only people with an IQ over 65 in this thread are EL and the OP.

Also, your trolling and lying skills need some serious work. Because they really suck.

[fiddy]

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That fuсkboy has to be Jeff's lat or something

[Heilige]

Euroleague, what things can one do to increase their IQ?

[90sgoat]

All the 'good' arguments for black people are not that convincing when the fact is that no matter in what country they are, blacks are always the least achieving and the most criminal.

This is true in Brazil, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe.

Why is that?

[NumberSix]

All the 'good' arguments for black people are not that convincing when the fact is that no matter in what country they are, blacks are always the least achieving and the most criminal.

This is true in Brazil, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe.

Why is that?
Is "that" even true in the first place?

[Heilige]

Is "that" even true in the first place?


what do you feel are the reasons for the disparities listed in my op?

IQ, work ethic, culture, racism, etc? what are the causes in your view?

[97 bulls]

All the 'good' arguments for black people are not that convincing when the fact is that no matter in what country they are, blacks are always the least achieving and the most criminal.

This is true in Brazil, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe.

Why is that?
This isn't true. Or the gist of it isn't. Africa and Brazil are some of the fastest growing economies in the world. And most blacks in Asia and Europe are very successful.

[NumberSix]

what do you feel are the reasons for the disparities listed in my op?

IQ, work ethic, culture, racism, etc? what are the causes in your view?
What kind of question is this? The reasons for anything vary from person to person.