6/6, 5/7, 2/6, 11/13......These are TEAM accomplishments

[hateraid]

If you have to revert to using this as the main part of your argument then you don't know basketball or team sport. How is it that what a TEAM accomplishes defines an individual accomplishment? The majority of trolls use this to defend their player. I rarely see a quality poster have to revert to using this followed by an /thread

Brady is considered the greatest QB is 4/6

Gretzky who is arguably greater to hockey than any athlete to his sport is 4/6

So stop it with this shit. Give a team it's due for what they've accomplished.

[Wally450]

Brady is 4/6.

But I agree. I give a lot of credit to the Patriots D in the 1st 3 SB wins.

[Zach LaVine]

If you have to revert to using this as the main part of your argument then you don't know basketball or team sport. How is it that what a TEAM accomplishes defines an individual accomplishment? The majority of trolls use this to defend their player. I rarely see a quality poster have to revert to using this followed by an /thread

Brady is considered the greatest QB is 3/5

Gretzky who is arguably greater to hockey than any athlete to his sport is 4/6

So stop it with this shit. Give a team it's due for what they've accomplished.
Trust me, LeBron stans don't use 2/6 to defend their player.

[hateraid]

Brady is 4/6.

But I agree. I give a lot of credit to the Patriots D in the 1st 3 SB wins.

Thanks. And thanks for the heads up

[hateraid]

Trust me, LeBron stans don't use 2/6 to defend their player.

But it is used against him often, which is basically the same premise.

[feyki]

I don't use meaningless stuffs but basketball is team sport too bro .

[hateraid]

I don't use meaningless stuffs but basketball is team sport too bro .

:confusedshrug:
That's exactly what I'm posting

[Jacks3]

Individual players can have insane impact on the basketball court...certainly far more than they do in football or baseball. I think that's where the argument comes from, though I agree that the rings argument is (usually) ridiculous.

[Genaro]

When you reach the finals, most of the times that means you have a good enough team to win. Except for 2007, Lebron had enough to win. If he didn't it's because he couldn't, so yes it can used as an argument to put him lower than a guy like Jordan who is perfect in the Finals.

[hateraid]

When you reach the finals, most of the times that means you have a good enough team to win. Except for 2007, Lebron had enough to win. If he didn't it's because he couldn't, so yes it can used as an argument to put him lower than a guy like Jordan who is perfect in the Finals.
Still a moot argument.
His TEAM is perfect in the finals.

[nba_55]

When you reach the finals, most of the times that means you have a good enough team to win. Except for 2007, Lebron had enough to win. If he didn't it's because he couldn't, so yes it can used as an argument to put him lower than a guy like Jordan who is perfect in the Finals.

Define what's good enough? 2015 Cavs without Kyrie and Love were good enough?

[imnew09]

Without Ray Allens 3s Lebeta wouldve been 1/6

[Gileraracer]

Lebron is 1/6

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51118a91ecad04ad24000008/ray-allen-sold-his-home-in-boston-for-46-million.jpg

[hateraid]

Define what's good enough? 2015 Cavs without Kyrie and Love were good enough?

Also Gretzky had Messier, Kurri, Coffey, Fuhr....and lost. I guess he should be taken down a notch

[hateraid]

Without Ray Allens 3s Lebeta wouldve been 1/6

Derailing the thread. Negged

[MJistheGOAT]

I think it

[Rooster]

Individual players can have insane impact on the basketball court...certainly far more than they do in football or baseball. I think that's where the argument comes from, though I agree that the rings argument is (usually) ridiculous.

I agree with the impact but comparing ring count is not ridiculous argument. Greatness are measured when it matters and when the pressures are high.

[hateraid]

Lebron is 1/6

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51118a91ecad04ad24000008/ray-allen-sold-his-home-in-boston-for-46-million.jpg


You too. Not the point of the thread

[sd3035]

Lebron is 1/6

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51118a91ecad04ad24000008/ray-allen-sold-his-home-in-boston-for-46-million.jpg

0/6

http://www.ballermindframe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/NBA-Refs.jpg

[hateraid]

I agree with the impact but comparing ring count is not ridiculous argument. Greatness are measured when it matters and when the pressures are high.

So that makes Gretzky and Brady failures?

[nba_55]

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]I think it

[MJistheGOAT]

Really? 2014 Heat was comparable to Spurs or better than Spurs? Are trying to tell us that Lebron's play decided the series?

Comparable yes, better no.

Yes, his play was a great factor in the series, not the only but a really important one.

[Segatti]

That's what any normal human being thinks.

[Overdrive]

If you have to revert to using this as the main part of your argument then you don't know basketball or team sport. How is it that what a TEAM accomplishes defines an individual accomplishment? The majority of trolls use this to defend their player. I rarely see a quality poster have to revert to using this followed by an /thread

Brady is considered the greatest QB is 4/6

Gretzky who is arguably greater to hockey than any athlete to his sport is 4/6

So stop it with this shit. Give a team it's due for what they've accomplished.

It's a team accomplishment, but it also reflects down to the vital players. Winning 6 times is also a personal accomplishment unless you're a Scalabrinetype 2 mins garbage time player.

The important factor is: Is your talent responsible for winning as a team? How much is it responsible. Take the 2nd best(next best) player at your position, how much might the outcome change?

[sd3035]

Those with beautiful minds are enlightened enough to see that 2/6 > 6/6

[Overdrive]

Those with beautiful minds are enlightened enough to see that 2/6 > 6/6

Or visa versa.

[Rooster]

So that makes Gretzky and Brady failures?

I dunno much about hockey but in Football, Brady play only one facet of the game which is the offense and you rely more on on your teammates moreso than in basketball where teammates rely more on you.

[hateraid]

I dunno much about hockey but in Football, Brady play only one facet of the game which is the offense and you rely more on on your teammates moreso than in basketball where teammates rely more on you.


So on that premise, replace 96 Jordan on last years Cavs finals roster and they win?

[imdaman99]

They are, but we live in an era where some superstars get all of the credit but none of the blame. It's not as if the rest of the team got much credit when Lebron was 'carrying' them to the Finals. We have idiots on here shitting on JR Smith because he was bad in the finals. Guess what btch, the Cavs prob don't beat the Bulls without JR :oldlol:

Losses are team accomplishments and when the superstar wins a championship, it's mostly about him.

[SouBeachTalents]

They are team accomplishments, but there are instances you can definitely provide most of the credit or blame to an individual, like Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or LeBron in '11

[TomBrady]

I'm the greatest of all time but I wouldn't be what I am without my team.

[warriorfan]

yes they are team accomplishments

lebron is an awful teammate though

this is reflected in his teams' poor performances

2/6 is not a troll this is a real thing...

[Myth]

LeBron's 2/6 is mostly a reflection of how easy the East has been. It is easy to get to the Finals, but hard to beat the best West teams.

[hateraid]

They are team accomplishments, but there are instances you can definitely provide most of the credit or blame to an individual, like Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or LeBron in '11

Sure. But it doesn't define the individual as a whole.
What I'm saying is the final winning percentage shouldn't be the benchmark of a player's career. The fact is most overvalue that particular TEAM accomplishment when comparing players.

[SouBeachTalents]

Sure. But it doesn't define the individual as a whole.
What I'm saying is the final winning percentage shouldn't be the benchmark of a player's career. The fact is most overvalue that particular TEAM accomplishment when comparing players.

Well the idea that losing in the first round or missing the playoffs is better than making the Finals is literally one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, and it makes absolutely no sense

[Smoke117]

I've been saying this forever...but these idiots want to use team accomplishments to prop up their favorite players like they were playing 1 on 12.