3/10/16: 2016 CNN Republican Debate in Miami

[Jameerthefear]

Starts at 7:30 PM CT.

[Derka]

40 debates later, all of the remaining candidates sound no less crazy than they did at the start.

What is there left to debate at this point?

"Senator Cruz, this question is for you: boxers or briefs?"

[Patrick Chewing]

Let me guess, Trump will use small simple words, insult everyone on stage, tell everyone he's the best and knows the best people, and everyone will applaud him.

[bladefd]

Word is Jeb Bush is sitting down today behind private doors with Cruz/Rubio/Kasich to plan big offensive on Trump. This will be interesting :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Word is Jeb Bush is sitting down today behind private doors with Cruz/Rubio/Kasich to plan big offensive on Trump. This will be interesting :roll:


Rubio and Kasich are stupid for still being in this race, when it is clear as day that if they dropped out, Ted Cruz would mollywhop Trump all up and down the 50 states.

[Jameerthefear]

Rubio and Kasich are stupid for still being in this race, when it is clear as day that if they dropped out, Ted Cruz would mollywhop Trump all up and down the 50 states.
kasich will win ohio or do well in ohio and then keep staying in. party's too split to beat trump

[senelcoolidge]

Word is Jeb Bush is sitting down today behind private doors with Cruz/Rubio/Kasich to plan big offensive on Trump. This will be interesting :roll:

Cruz actually worked for Bush and is backed by the Bushes. So he's a Bush guy.

[bladefd]

Cruz actually worked for Bush and is backed by the Bushes. So he's a Bush guy.

Why is Jeb doing the planning? It will backfire big time on Cruz/Rubio/Kasich. I guarantee you Trump will call out and insult Jeb during the debate to make Cruz/Rubio/Kasich look bad. I can see Romney doing it but Jeb? Jeb is a fool :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Unbelievable that they refuse to drop out of the race and endorse Cruz or Rubio and give the party a chance against Trump.

[Nick Young]

Is Rubio still trying? XD

Can't wait to see this scrub get punked again.

[Ranked 12th]

Unbelievable that they refuse to drop out of the race and endorse Cruz or Rubio and give the party a chance against Trump.

Shouldnt you be voting for Sanders? Considering you've never worked for anything in your life and expect a cheque every month from the government.

[Nick Young]

Rubio and Kasich are stupid for still being in this race, when it is clear as day that if they dropped out, Ted Cruz would mollywhop Trump all up and down the 50 states.
Cruz only wins in inbred states like Idaho and Texas. All non-inbred states are going to vote Trump. You really think fatass redneck Cruz has any chance on the West Coast? XD

[FillJackson]

Cruz actually worked for Bush and is backed by the Bushes. So he's a Bush guy.
He is not. He worked on the Bush 2000 campaign and he expected a big job in the White House when they won, but he didn't get it. The reason he didn't get it is because Ted Cruz is Dick.


But 16 years ago, as a young domestic policy adviser for Bush’s 2000 campaign, Cruz himself had sought Washington’s embrace. He’d uprooted his life, taken an 80 percent pay cut and moved to Austin, Texas, with visions of a big, important White House job to follow.
Almost from his arrival at Bush’s headquarters, colleagues say Cruz flashed many of the same assets and liabilities still on his political balance sheet: acumen and ambition, combative and conservative instincts, elbows as sharp as his smarts, a knack for self-promotion and rubbing colleagues the wrong way.
When Bush won, however, Cruz would not get the White House post he had dreamed of; instead, he found himself in the bureaucratic backwater of the Federal Trade Commission. “Through mistakes of my own, I put the fault nowhere other than myself, I burned some bridges on that campaign,” Cruz told Politico in an interview. “I chalk it up to youth and immaturity.”
“It was a difficult chapter when you poured your heart into something for two years and the desires of your heart are denied. That’s hard. And particularly when you’re seeing so many of your friends rewarded.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/ted-cruz-2016-establishment-george-bush-213561#ixzz42XdsdlQ7 They actually interviewed him for spot on the White House legal team, but he wanted a bigger job then they offered him. Instead, they decided he shouldn't work any where near the White House. The article talks about how he always tried to promote himself to reporters working on the campaign and also tried to get face time with Bush. The article mentions his coworkers would roll their eyes when they talked about how unsubtle his career grubbing was. He also would leave work at 5pm. Then come back into the office at 10 or 11 just to send emails to top officials and make it look like he was working all night.


TL/DR Cruz desperately wanted job in the Bush White House, but they gave him a shitty job not in the White House because he is a self-promoting dick.

[FillJackson]

Wonder if this will come up in the debate. Trump's campaign manager roughed up a female reporter.

Plot twist: She works for Breitbart.
Exclusive: Transcript of female Breitbart reporter being roughed up by Trump campaign manager

Donald Trump's spokesperson flatly denied on Thursday that campaign manager Corey Lewandowski roughed up a reporter for the conservative website Breitbart, and suggested she was fabricating the incident in a desperate bid for attention.
A roughly two and a half minute audio recording of the incident obtained by POLITICO — while not definitive — supports the reporter's version of the events, which were witnessed by Washington Post reporter Ben Terris.
A transcript of the alleged altercation between the reporter, Michelle Fields, and Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, follows below, along with her conversation with Terris:
***
Din of people talking, clanking of glasses, snippets of conversation, reporters telling one another to 'move up a little', greeting each other, saying 'good to see you' saying 'OK good quote then', then clearly action picks up as cameras start clicking.
Fields: “Mr. Trump, you went after the late Scalia for affirmative action, do you -- are you still against affirmative action?"
Voice (allegedly Corey Lewandowski): “Excuse me, thank you.”
A few moments later (noise of the room can be heard)...
Terris: “You OK?"
Fields: “Holy sh*t."
Terris: “Yea he just threw you down."
Fields: “I can’t believe he just did that that was so hard. Was that Corey?"
Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?"
Fields: "That was insane. You should have felt how hard he grabbed me. That's insane. I’ve never had anyone do that to me from a campaign."
Terris: “Can I put that in my story?"
Fields: “Yeah, go for it — that was really awful. That’s so unprofessional.”
Terris: “He really just almost threw you down on the ground."
Fields: “He literally went like this and was grabbing me down. I don’t even what to do [about] what he just did to me. Oh my God, that really spooked me that someone would do that."
Terris: “What threat were you?"
Fields: “Nothing. I was asking about affirmative action."
Terris: “And he probably knows you, right?"
Fields: “Yeah, I don’t understand. That looks horrible. You’re going after a Breitbart reporter, the people who are nicest to you?"
Terris: “I know, I’m going to put it in my story."
The two stop talking. Din/noise of people talking, glasses clinking continue through end of the recording.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589#ixzz42XiF3vTo

[FillJackson]

Was witnessed by another reporterhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdNeNNjUkAAGVWo.jpg

[Trollsmasher]

Wonder if this will come up in the debate. Trump's campaign manager roughed up a female reporter.

Plot twist: She works for Breitbart.
that transcript reads like a 10 years old starting a Twilight fanfic.. such a robotic prose

still no video or even audio of the event even though there were tens of cameras present:lol

[FillJackson]

that transcript reads like a 10 years old starting a Twilight fanfic.. such a robotic prose

still no video or even audio of the event even though there were tens of cameras present:lol
Trump voter.

[KyrieTheFuture]

that transcript reads like a 10 years old starting a Twilight fanfic.. such a robotic prose

still no video or even audio of the event even though there were tens of cameras present:lol


....but there IS audio.




Anyway I hope he gets asked the question about how he feels about kids bullying Mexican children by saying they'll be deported so he can cry about how unfair of a question that is again

[Draz]

40 debates later, all of the remaining candidates sound no less crazy than they did at the start.

What is there left to debate at this point?

"Senator Cruz, this question is for you: boxers or briefs?"
:roll:

[Smook B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLO8KizZ50I

:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

lmao carson to endorse trump

[imnew09]

Ben Carson to endorse Trump



cant stump the Trump!

Trump stays winning

[Draz]

Doesn't matter who endorses who honestly. Just a fckn gimmick

[Draz]

God dam Republicans are filthy snakes

[oh the horror]

GOP pep talk like having to tell an ugly woman she has a good personality

[Draz]

GOP pep talk like having to tell an ugly woman she has a good personality
:roll: bunch of rednecks

[bladefd]

Here we go.. the shitfest about to begin :lol

No handshake between Trump and Rubio.

[Draz]

Cruz got a handshake there LOL

Rubio didn't :lol

[Draz]

Cruz looks like Stuart little

[Jameerthefear]

here we go
http://www.cnn.com/

[Draz]

Oh god Rubio you make me want to vomit more than Cruz

[Draz]

Is Trump stupid? There's thousands of people leaving the Republican party. Even Republicans themselves lmfao

[Giaodollo]

Rubio and Kasich are stupid for still being in this race, when it is clear as day that if they dropped out, Ted Cruz would mollywhop Trump all up and down the 50 states.

I don't think they want Cruz anymore than they want Trump. Cruz is a hardheaded man that rarely compromises. It is his way or no way. No way to negotiate with him.

[Draz]

Wow

John Kasich

Damm

[Draz]

How do Democrats view illegal immigrants as potential voters? They can't vote :lol

[bladefd]

Even Cruz and Kasich said to build a wall :lol

First civil GOP debate so far? May be too early to call

[Giaodollo]

How do Democrats view illegal immigrants as potential voters? They can't vote :lol

Down the road, once they get citzenship. Also, wow Carson endorsing trump:oldlol:

[bladefd]

How do Democrats view illegal immigrants as potential voters? They can't vote :lol

I think he meant that if you legalize the illegals, they would be potential voters in the future siding with Democrats.

Maybe legalize them by giving them greencard but no citizenship. Fine with me.

[Trollsmasher]

everyone is pretty much just parrotting Trump

[Jameerthefear]

looks like they finally figured out the best way to fight against trump - pretend he doesnt exist.
can't believe it took them this long

[DonDadda59]

CNN running this thing like boot camp. No bullshit tonight.

Trump doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

[stalkerforlife]

Trump took way too many benzos.

[Jameerthefear]

trump gives non answer after non answer

[Giaodollo]

looks like they finally figured out the best way to fight against trump - pretend he doesnt exist.
lol

[Giaodollo]

How the **** do US take care of Germany? Drumpf is ridicolous.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Trump says the same thing over and over...no solution...just "Make Mmmurica great again!"

lol

[Jameerthefear]

Rubio's plan for SS is complete bullshit.

[Jameerthefear]

this is a sneak peek of what trump would look like in a general debate. like a babbling moron

[Giaodollo]

Trump says the same thing over and over...no solution...just "Make Mmmurica great again!"

lol

Notice how he always finishes with a strong statement. He has a talking pattern, and always construct his sentances so that he finishes with a powerful word like, great, power, etc. It is quite funny.

[imnew09]

Trump making these fken haters shook



Rubio on raising it to 70yrs old lmfao. He done

[DonDadda59]

Rubio's plan for SS is complete bullshit.

None of these fools anything tangible and substantive to offer the country.

Drumpf was just rambling about nothing.

[FillJackson]

Trump knows so little.

[Smook B]

CNN trying to get sound bites. :lol

[Giaodollo]

Trump making these fken haters shook



Rubio on raising it to 70yrs old lmfao. He done

It is not a radical change, the current system was set decades ago, people live longer, are healthier etc. People can work to 70 no problem.

[Jameerthefear]

None of these fools anything tangible and substantive to offer the country.

Drumpf was just rambling about nothing.
this is trump in an actual debate with no bullshit. he looks like a ****ing joke

[ALBballer]

How the **** do US take care of Germany? Drumpf is ridicolous.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

US provides military defense for Germany. Germany spends like something 1% of their GDP on military defense while US spends 3-4%.

If Germany was forced to defend itself it wouldn't have as much money for their social programs.

[Smook B]

Cruz with the first jab.

[bladefd]

US provides military defense for Germany. Germany spends like something 1% of their GDP on military defense while US spends 3-4%.

If Germany was forced to defend itself it wouldn't have as much money for their social programs.

Time for USA to pull out of Germany. Waste of resources and money.

[stalkerforlife]

Kasich is the smartest and most proven.

Idiots don't care.

[Trollsmasher]

How the **** do US take care of Germany? Drumpf is ridicolous.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
US has a base in Germany that is a stronger military by itself than the actual Germany.

US basically is NATO and without it I would probably be living in a Russian satelite.

[stalkerforlife]

Trump's eyes are so bloodshot.

WOW.

[imnew09]

It is not a radical change, the current system was set decades ago, people live longer, are healthier etc. People can work to 70 no problem.


Easier said than done. You really hope to see yourself or parents working up to 70yrs old ? I do not.

Ages make tons of physical difference when you get older. Theres a fken load of difference between 65 to 70 yrs .

[oh the horror]

Trumps people probably told him to take a different approach this evening. The Xanax approach apparently

[stalkerforlife]

Trumps people probably told him to take a different approach this evening. The Xanax approach apparently

He's so phucked up on xanax, dude.

[Patrick Chewing]

Kasich is the smartest and most proven.

Idiots don't care.


He looks homeless every time he's on stage. He mumbles and stumbles around and rambles on incoherently at time.


Plus, he's afraid to get his hands dirty and go after Trump. He's cowardly.

[Im Still Ballin]

https://michaelpiff.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/pred-biceps.gif

[stalkerforlife]

Trump's actually making a little sense.

[stalkerforlife]

Oh shit...I agree with Trump.

Build our own factories.

[Giaodollo]

US provides military defense for Germany. Germany spends like something 1% of their GDP on military defense while US spends 3-4%.

If Germany was forced to defend itself it wouldn't have as much money for their social programs.

Defend from who? They are in NATO, so the only thing they need is to meet the military strength needed to be in NATO. No one is touching a NATO member, especially Europes most important member.

Truth is the US military in Germany is a status qou project, they have 50 000 people in germany they don't know what to do with.

[Jameerthefear]

He looks homeless every time he's on stage. He mumbles and stumbles around and rambles on incoherently at time.


Plus, he's afraid to get his hands dirty and go after Trump. He's cowardly.
kasich figured out early on that the way u beat trump isn't by playing his games.

[imnew09]

Oh shit...I agree with Trump.

Build our own factories.


Bruh , join the Curry Kobe Trump Fam


We stay winning!


Trump is the only one who could bring back the economy

[DonDadda59]

Oh shit...I agree with Trump.

Build our own factories.

Drumpf's 45% tariff would lead to skyrocketing prices for goods Stateside and a recession. Factories would just move from China to places like Cambodia or Vietnam.

It's one of the worst ideas he has come up with and that's saying a lot. Cruz crushed him in that exchange.

[yobore]

Cruz just spews shit.

"I don't support a tariff, I support a tax on imports"... ok?

And a 45% tariff on Chinese goods is not a 45% tax on everything in stores. It's a 45% increase on Chinese imports... which is the point.

I'm not even against free trade but he is so transparently mischaracterizing things.

[stalkerforlife]

Bruh , join the Curry Kobe Trump Fam


We stay winning!


Trump is the only one who could bring back the economy

I know he doubled up on the xanax tonight, but he's doing well, IMO.

Why not build our own damn factories and stop outsourcing? That or accept the tax we may you pay by selling your products in our country.

[Giaodollo]

US has a base in Germany that is a stronger military by itself than the actual Germany.

US basically is NATO and without it I would probably be living in a Russian satelite.

Germany is one of histories strongest military and if they had to build up they would and easily could. Remember it took the whole world to win in WWII.

Also, your seriously believe US's 50 000 men is stronger than the whole German Bundeswehr?

[stalkerforlife]

Drumpf's 45% tariff would lead to skyrocketing prices for goods Stateside and a recession. Factories would just move from China to places like Cambodia or Vietnam.

It's one of the worst ideas he has come up with and that's saying a lot. Cruz crushed him in that exchange.

He said the 45% was a threat.

And they need to be threatened.

[Smook B]

http://insider.foxnews.com/sites/insider.foxnews.com/files/thedab.gif

[DonDadda59]

He said the 45% was a threat.

And they need to be threatened.

And when the Chinese laugh at that 'threat'... Then what?

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump's thoughts on Islam is his only saving grace for me at least. That backwards, violent, brute culture can never cross into these borders, otherwise the country is over.

[stalkerforlife]

And when the Chinese laugh at that 'threat'... Then what?

We build our own factories and make our own products.

[oh the horror]

Trump's thoughts on Islam is his only saving grace for me at least. That backwards, violent, brute culture can never cross into these borders, otherwise the country is over.



There's probably more moderate Muslims than there are moderate republicans.



What you dudes don't understand is when he talks like that he buries himself further.

[Smook B]

:coleman:

[navy]

http://insider.foxnews.com/sites/insider.foxnews.com/files/thedab.gif
White people :facepalm

[Smook B]

Trump is right on this.

[stalkerforlife]

I think Trump wants to kill all Muslims.

[Giaodollo]

Rubio says they need to work with moderate muslims, then says they need to work with Saudi Arabia:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Iran is liberal compared to Saudi Arabia.

[DonDadda59]

We build our own factories and make our own products.

The only candidate who has come up with an actual plan for keeping companies Stateside has been Hillary (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-proposes-tax-hit-for-companies-moving-jobs-production-overseas-1457114464)

That silly tariff would only threaten people like you, not the Chinese.

[Jameerthefear]

*smacks Gio's butt*
LOL!

[Giaodollo]

The only candidate who has come up with an actual plan for keeping companies Stateside has been Hillary (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-proposes-tax-hit-for-companies-moving-jobs-production-overseas-1457114464)

That silly tariff would only threaten people like you, not the Chinese.

Could you post the full article?

[stalkerforlife]

The only candidate who has come up with an actual plan for keeping companies Stateside has been Hillary (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-proposes-tax-hit-for-companies-moving-jobs-production-overseas-1457114464)

That silly tariff would only threaten people like you, not the Chinese.

I want Clinton to be the next president.

[Patrick Chewing]

The solution to radical Islam is simple. You kill them. You then imprison those friends or relatives that knew about it but refused to come forward. You treat them as enemies of the state.

You prop up Islamic reformers such as Zuhdi Jasser and invite them a billion times to the White House if you have to. Maybe even make Zuhdi part of the cabinet. That way he's on TV 24/7 talking about separation of mosque and state.

[Brujesino]

:oldlol: Trump was the grand marshal

[DonDadda59]

Could you post the full article?

My bad. Didn't realize you needed a subscription.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0TQ1MW20151207

Similar article^

[Patrick Chewing]

You also cut ties with Saudi Arabia. They are the breeders of Wahhabism that teaches these barbaric beliefs.

[Jameerthefear]

hurr hurr knock em out :lol
this dude is a ****ing joke

[stalkerforlife]

http://199.101.98.242/media/images/56303-Mike_Tyson's_Punch-Out!!_(USA)-6.jpg

[navy]

Terrorism is a tricky issue and Ive never actually seen a concrete solution from anyone scholar, politician, idealist, etc.

In any case there really has to be an internal revolution against Islam from Islamist and not in a hate sort of way. Just a movement away from religion. It needs to be slow, but I suppose the biggest thing to push is education and hope the kids realize that religion is nonsense.

[Giaodollo]

My bad. Didn't realize you needed a subscription.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0TQ1MW20151207

Similar article^

Thanks, will check it out.

[Patrick Chewing]

Terrorism is a tricky issue and Ive never actually seen a concrete solution from anyone scholar, politician, idealist, etc.

In any case there really has to be an internal revolution against Islam from Islamist and not in a hate sort of way. Just a movement away from religion. It needs to be slow, but I suppose the biggest thing to push is education and hope the kids realize that religion is nonsense.


http://aifdemocracy.org/about/staff/founder-president/

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump skirting the question by using his favorite word: Deal

[Giaodollo]

Trump is so repetitive. How many time has he mentioned "bad deal" on different topics today? it is ridicolous.

[Giaodollo]

Trump skirting the question by using his favorite word: Deal

lol, thinking the same

[Patrick Chewing]

"I have many deals"
"I have many friends"
"I know the best people"
"I make the best deals"
"I love the _____ people"


Oh and did I mention....

"I make the best deals"

[DonDadda59]

"I have many deals"
"I have many friends"
"I know the best people"
"I make the best deals"
"I love the _____ people"


Oh and did I mention....

"I make the best deals"

Shut your liberal ass up, Patrick.

#CantStumpTheTrump :rockon:

[Giaodollo]

I am expecting Drumpf to say he will make a deal with nature, he will negotiate a better deal with it so the climate change halts.

[DonDadda59]

Republicans are allergic to Science.


I am expecting Drumpf to say he will make a deal with nature, he will negotiate a better deal with it so the climate change halts.

He knows mother nature. She's great. She loves him. He's gonna make the best climate deal with her.

[Patrick Chewing]

Republicans are allergic to Science.


Uhhh no. The Science is that the climate is always changing. That's the truth.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Rubio is dead right about climate change.

Laws that only hurt the economy... and do nothing to help the environment.

[DonDadda59]

Uhhh no. The Science is that the climate is always changing. That's the truth.

Dumb country mouse. :facepalm

Kasich is too good for these fools.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dumb country mouse. :facepalm

Kasich is too good for these fools.


The Earth heats and cools, bro. It's a fact of life.


Winter is coming.

[Smook B]

Donald Trump telling the truth about Germany. :applause:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Donald Trump telling the truth about Putin



FACT: Putin is a strong leader. Very strong.

[FillJackson]

Donald Trump telling the truth about Putin



FACT: Putin is a strong leader. Very strong.
Dictators tend to be. He's also a kleptocrat like dictators tend to be.

Let me guess, big RT fan?

[Trollsmasher]

are GOPers going to say Putin is not strong while simultaneously complaining about Obama getting his ass kicked by Putin?:lol

[DonDadda59]

But Morgan Freeman IS God.

So he's gonna spend all that time searching for himself? Very meta.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dictators tend to be. He's also a kleptocrat like dictators tend to be.

Let me guess, big RT fan?

I was... not anymore.

they're exposing a lot of truth... but now I see that's all part of the plan.

[Jameerthefear]

trump is a walking meme

[Jameerthefear]

yall

[Doomsday Dallas]

Cruz telling the truth about Washington....

I feel disrespected.

[Im Still Ballin]

How old are you jameer

[Doomsday Dallas]

trump is a walking meme


That's why it's imperative that he never becomes president.

Who would take the USA seriously with him as president?



He is a d-bag. of the highest possible order... And we love him for it.

[Jameerthefear]

How old are you jameer
17

[DonDadda59]

Kasich is too good for this World.

Cherish him, Ohio. Cherish him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Nice line by Cruz. Trump comes off as an emperor. Wanting the allegiance of the plebs.

[Jameerthefear]

That's why it's imperative that he never becomes president.

Who would take the USA seriously with him as president?



He is a d-bag. of the highest possible order... And we love him for it.
i actually liked trump before all this presidential shit. celebrity apprentice was fun to watch. i even put the obama shit past him. but he's such a meme now

[Im Still Ballin]

How long til grad

[navy]

Kasich is too good for this World.

Cherish him, Ohio. Cherish him.
How can people not see that Kaisch is such a lock to win against Hilary. :lol

[Jameerthefear]

2 months. Why do you ask?

[DonDadda59]

How can people not see that Kaisch is such a lock to win against Hilary. :lol

We live in crazy, nonsensical times.

[navy]

Kaisch is such a good candidate.

Aw well. Hilary vs Trump is gonna be hilarious.

Cant wait for the VP nominations.

[Giaodollo]

Trump saying he hasn't started on Hilary makes me want him to win. Makes it exciting:oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Rubio won this debate because he hates Cuba the most. Florida is so biased and stupid.

[DonDadda59]

Hillary beats Drumpf by 9-13 points in the latest national polls and is winning in 43 of the last 50 polls taken.

[Jameerthefear]

Hillary beats Drumpf by 9-13 points in the latest national polls and is winning in 43 of the last 50 polls taken.
trump is a meme at this point

[Im Still Ballin]

excited?

[navy]

Rubio won this debate because he hates Cuba the most. Florida is so biased and stupid.
Rubio already lost the 2nd Romney endorsed him. :lol

[Terahite]

Oh shit...I agree with Trump.

Build our own factories.

Have you never heard an actual Trump speech before? :roll:

[Giaodollo]

Drumpf says he has friends, what a surprise:oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

excited?
To graduate? I guess.

[Nick Young]

Rubio was going pure Cena mode going for every cheap pop in the book.

[Smook B]

Rubio won this debate because he hates Cuba the most. Florida is so biased and stupid.

He never gets the biggest cheers in theses debates but that doesn't stop him from winning state after state.

[Giaodollo]

http://wtfecard.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Donald-Drumpf-500x500.jpg

[Nick Young]

3'Angelo Bucketsdale vs Lebronze time

[DonDadda59]

How has John Kasich not been named dictator for life and Imperator yet? :biggums:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Am I the only person that thinks Obama did a decent job as president?

two failures though:

10$ trillion in 8 years.

Obamacare




other than that... I give him props. I always thought he was a cool guy.

I just really really really did not like Bush.



I mean also... it was kinda cool to see him do some dictator-type $hit while he was in office... just completely bypassed Congress and said F-You Lybia.

[Nick Young]

Trump's followers commit acts of violence at his words :roll: :roll: :roll: It was hilarious when the moderator was reading back Trump's incitements of violence at his rallies.

Big Poppa Trump :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Am I the only person that thinks Obama did a decent job as president?

two failures though:

10$ trillion in 8 years.

Obamacare




other than that... I give him props. I always thought he was a cool guy.

I just really really really did not like Bush.



I mean also... it was kinda cool to see him do some dictator-type $hit while he was in office... just completely bypassed Congress and said F-You Lybia.


You can't do a decent job by breaking the law in the process. He was a horrible President. Just as you mentioned, he put us further into debt and provided a failed Healthcare system.

He also set race relations back almost 40 years it seems.

[dude77]

alpha trump to the gop establishment: "stop fighting me(you can't win) .. get behind me" .. like a boss

[Terahite]

I mean also... it was kinda cool to see him do some dictator-type $hit while he was in office... just completely bypassed Congress and said F-You Lybia.

erm yeah pretty sure his Lybia policy was a disaster that left the country in ruins and created ISIS. what are you 12?

[Nick Young]

Trump has the best leadership and charisma out of any of the candidates. That is how he's always able to brush off damning criticism like it's nothing and that's why he's winning the race in such a dominating fashion.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm just saying... if you're gonna have a criminal in office...

might as well have a smooth criminal, instead of somebody as wack as Bush.

He shouldn't even be associated with Texas.



7 years out of office... still mad at Bush.


I wouldn't even begin to compare Bush's failures to Obama's.
It's not even close.

[oh the horror]

You can't do a decent job by breaking the law in the process. He was a horrible President. Just as you mentioned, he put us further into debt and provided a failed Healthcare system.

He also set race relations back almost 40 years it seems.



Explain how you believe Obama himself set race relations back 40 years. In what ways did he do that?

[Nick Young]

Explain how you believe Obama himself set race relations back 40 years. In what ways did he do that?
By sponsoring and supporting pro-segregation PC identity politics at university level and in the media.

[FillJackson]

He also set race relations back almost 40 years it seems.It seems to some of us that some folks just up and lost their damn minds at the very beginning of his presidency. These are from Tea Party protests two months into his first term

http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/impeach1.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P8FZGCsX7zc/SbM0E2TXlyI/AAAAAAAAEyk/OebgB-ea_OI/s400/boy.jpg

So how did the Republican Party react to the group of voters that lost their damn minds? Embraced them as tight as they could.

[oh the horror]

Trump has the best leadership and charisma out of any of the candidates. That is how he's always able to brush off damning criticism like it's nothing and that's why he's winning the race in such a dominating fashion.



Is that before or after he gets visibly angry and flustered and hurls insults at people?


You think it's his own doing tonight that he was calm? They TOLD him to reel that shit in.

[Patrick Chewing]

Explain how you believe Obama himself set race relations back 40 years. In what ways did he do that?


When he personally got involved in domestic race issues. For example: Beer summit, Trayvon, Ferguson, etc. He began to take sides.

The rise of BLM as well. We never had these issues under Bush or Clinton that I can remember.

[Patrick Chewing]

It seems to some of us that some folks just up and lost their damn minds at the very beginning of his presidency. These are from Tea Party protests two months into his first term

http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/impeach1.gif

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P8FZGCsX7zc/SbM0E2TXlyI/AAAAAAAAEyk/OebgB-ea_OI/s400/boy.jpg

So how did the Republican Party react to the group of voters that lost their damn minds? Embraced them as tight as they could.


Am I missing something here? I see two people holding up signs. Try harder, Kevin.

The Tea Party was poorly represented by the Liberal media from the get go. If you point your finger at someone or something long enough and label them racist every 5 seconds, eventually the negative connotation sticks.

[oh the horror]

When he personally got involved in domestic race issues. For example: Beer summit, Trayvon, Ferguson, etc. He began to take sides.

The rise of BLM as well. We never had these issues under Bush or Clinton that I can remember.




While I agree as president one shouldn't get too involved with affairs such as those. Perhaps more state level politicians but I will say we have had issues like this under Bush and everyone else. I truly believe a black man being elected into office ruffled a lot of feathers.



Problem is, because it was a black man supporting a black kid in these situations the issue of him "taking sides" becomes a thing which racist America isn't too fond of.


Frankly this needs to happen IMO

[bladefd]

You can't do a decent job by breaking the law in the process. He was a horrible President. Just as you mentioned, he put us further into debt and provided a failed Healthcare system.

He also set race relations back almost 40 years it seems.

If you want to blame the debt being where it is, you have to look at Mr Bush. Look at the deficit he left behind, economy in shambles and 2 wars going simultaneously (1 being completely unnecessary). Under Obama, deficit has been cut by a big chunk, economy has rebounded from recession to somewhat respectable. The wars are pretty much finished (1 is finished). If you can't respect that then you won't respect anything he does that is positive.

Without war in Iraq, there would be no ISIS and significantly lower deficit and debt. Keep that in mind.

[Nick Young]

Is that before or after he gets visibly angry and flustered and hurls insults at people?


You think it's his own doing tonight that he was calm? They TOLD him to reel that shit in.
No. it was his strategy to throw the other candidates off their game. They all expected to trade insults with Trump all night and prepared for it, they got flustered when he didn't do what they expected. He has a massive lead so he doesn't have to act outrageous anymore to get votes.

You're a moron if you don't realize yet that Trump knows exactly what he's doing.

[bladefd]

By the way, the responses to the climate change question was comical. Rubio is an idiot but tried to be slick by throwing in the word weather while answering. We all know weather and climate differ. Yes weather changes daily but climate doesn't change every day. Good try, Rubio. Also refused to answer if he thought the world's scientists were all wrong. They asked him that twice - he deflected both times. Guy is clearly paid off by Koch brothers or somebody that profits big off oil/coal.

Kasich is the only intelligent one who is prepared and done his research on this issue. Good luck winning the general election with any other Republican. Trump included. When the independents come out across the board voting in November, they will pay close attention to this issue. You cannot hope to take on some of the most respected scientists in the world on the issue of climate change (in this case, 99% of them guided by the actual science). These are folks with PhD in their area of study. Rubio or Trump or Cruz going to stand there refuting folks with PhD in climate science? Please.

[Nick Young]

By the way, the responses to the climate change question was comical. Rubio is an idiot but tried to be slick by throwing in the word weather while answering. We all know weather and climate differ. Yes weather changes daily but climate doesn't change every day. Good try, Rubio. Also refused to answer if he thought the world's scientists were all wrong. They asked him that twice - he deflected both times. Guy is clearly paid off by Koch brothers or somebody that profits big off oil/coal.

Kasich is the only intelligent one who is prepared and done his research on this issue. Good luck winning the general election with any other Republican. Trump included. When the independents come out across the board voting in November, they will pay close attention to this issue. You cannot hope to take on some of the most respected scientists in the world on the issue of climate change (in this case, 99% of them guided by the actual science). These are folks with PhD in their area of study. Rubio or Trump or Cruz going to stand there refuting folks with PhD in climate science? Please.
How did the earth go in and out of 7 major ice ages? :confusedshrug:
Did the climate not change?:confusedshrug:

[bladefd]

How did the earth go in and out of 7 major ice ages? :confusedshrug:
Did the climate not change?:confusedshrug:

Naturally? Yes, over hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years not 200 years coinciding perfectly with the burning of fossil fuels.

Climate is patterns over long periods of time. Weather is much shorter time scale.

[FillJackson]

The Tea Party was poorly represented by the Liberal media from the get go. If you point your finger at someone or something long enough and label them racist every 5 seconds, eventually the negative connotation sticks.

The Tea Party was an explosion of paranoia and anger and was heavily promoted by conservative media including this exploiter of the paranoid (http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/beck-help-us-restore-traditional-american-values/) who got a platform on the most important Republican/Conservative media channel to rant about how un-American the new president was. It was embraced by Republican politicians including the previous VP candidate.

The point of the signs from Tea Party rallies, these folks had lost their minds before the President even did any the things "that set back race relations" 40 years. Fox News was complicit in a strategy to absolutely de-legitimize the presidency from day one.

Yeah, the liberal media poorly represented these folks......by taking their picture.

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20072_free.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20093_free.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20075_free.jpg

[MMM]

Uhhh no. The Science is that the climate is always changing. That's the truth.

so are you going to ignore the rate of change???

:biggums:

Being anti-global change/climate change shouldn't be a prerequisite for being a conservative. Stop believing in what you think are conservative opinions and think for yourself.

[Nick Young]

Naturally? Yes, over hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years not 200 years coinciding perfectly with the burning of fossil fuels.

Climate is patterns over long periods of time. Weather is much shorter time scale.
Have you never heard of the European warming period that happened in the 900s? It is what allowed the Vikings to start sailing south and raiding Europe.

Did fossil fuels do that? The climate warmed at a more dramatic rate than anything we've recorded in the last 200 years.

Did Viking farts cause the European warming period or did it happen naturally?:confusedshrug:

That is just one of millions examples of the earth's climate changing at a more dramatic rate than it changed in the past 200 years.


4 major ice ages occurred before humans even existed as a species. Thousands of mini-ice ages began and ended before humans started burning coal or petroleum.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol, Rubio of all the candidates should have an informed and moderate opinion on the issue. Standing there denying climate change while your home state slowly sinks into the ocean is pretty comical.

[Nick Young]

Lol, Rubio of all the candidates should have an informed and moderate opinion on the issue. Standing there denying climate change while your home state slowly sinks into the ocean is pretty comical.

Did Viking farts cause the European warming period or did it happen naturally?

[DeuceWallaces]

Did Viking farts cause the European warming period or did it happen naturally?

I'm not going to debate this topic with you, because you're an uninformed troll.

[bladefd]

Have you never heard of the European warming period that happened in the 900s? It is what allowed the Vikings to start sailing south and raiding Europe.

Did fossil fuels do that? The climate warmed at a more dramatic rate than anything we've recorded in the last 200 years.

Did Viking farts cause the European warming period or did it happen naturally?:confusedshrug:

That is just one of millions examples of the earth's climate changing at a more dramatic rate than it changed in the past 200 years.

4 major ice ages occurred before humans even existed as a species. Thousands of mini-ice ages began and ended before humans started burning coal or petroleum.


-higher solar activity than before this period
-relatively low volcanic activity allowed more radiation to enter the atmosphere, meaning warmer days

There is evidence for both things. Also note that sea levels did not rise like they are now, which means the average global temps did not increase anywhere near where it is today.

In current times, Solar activity is not and has not been elevated. Volcanic activity is currently within the average. So these 2 things don't account for rise in temperatures in modern times. It is something else. That something else is greenhouse gases, which are emitted from burning fossil fuels. There is clearly evidence that temperatures are currently rising due to more greenhouse gases. We can measure this, and on average, it is elevated and still rising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD16nCsvjqs

[Nick Young]

-higher solar activity than before this period
-relatively low volcanic activity allowed more radiation to enter the atmosphere, meaning warmer days

There is evidence for both things. Also note that sea levels did not rise like they are now, which means the average global temps did not increase anywhere near where it is today.

In current times, Solar activity is not and has not been elevated. Volcanic activity is currently within the average. So these 2 things don't account for rise in temperatures in modern times. It is something else. That something else is greenhouse gases, which are emitted from burning fossil fuels. There is clearly evidence that temperatures are currently rising due to more greenhouse gases. We can measure this, and on average, it is elevated and still rising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD16nCsvjqs
This is what the world used to look like. We humans are at fault for splitting pangea.

http://storyprompt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Pangea.jpg

Did you know that there used to be very little ice on both the North Pole and the South Pole?

Did us humans cause those two regions to freeze over? :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

I always laugh at the people who discuss climate change with such certainty, as if they could have any idea what would've happened without it. See this, for example:


. Using an ensemble of simulations generated by an Earth system model of intermediate complexity constrained by palaeoclimatic data, we suggest that glacial inception was narrowly missed before the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. The missed inception can be accounted for by the combined effect of relatively high late-Holocene CO2 concentrations and the low orbital eccentricity of the Earth7. Additionally, our analysis suggests that even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years. However, moderate anthropogenic cumulative CO2 emissions of 1,000 to 1,500 gigatonnes of carbon will postpone the next glacial inception by at least 100,000 years8, 9. Our simulations demonstrate that under natural conditions alone the Earth system would be expected to remain in the present delicately balanced interglacial climate state, steering clear of both large-scale glaciation of the Northern Hemisphere and its complete deglaciation, for an unusually long time.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v529/n7585/full/nature16494.html

I dunno, i would't really want to live in a glacial age. The idea we can properly predict these things is a fantasy: there are way too many variables involved.



Am I the only person that thinks Obama did a decent job as president?

two failures though:

10$ trillion in 8 years.

Obamacare




other than that... I give him props. I always thought he was a cool guy.

I just really really really did not like Bush.



I mean also... it was kinda cool to see him do some dictator-type $hit while he was in office... just completely bypassed Congress and said F-You Lybia.
:facepalm

That Libya decision, for Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, was even more destructive than the Iraq idiocy; there's nothing 'cool' about destroying millions of lives, or providing a gigantic safe-haven for terrorists, as well as vast amounts of weaponry that have been shifted to extremist groups in Syria and all around Africa.

[Nick Young]

I always laugh at the people who discuss climate change with such certainty, as if they could have any idea what would've happened without it. See this, for example:



I dunno, i would't really want to live in a glacial age. The idea we can properly predict these things is a fantasy: there are way too many variables involved.


Facts? Logic? How dare you!

Remember, the most educated humans in the world also used to believe that eating mercury would prevent aging.

[bladefd]

I always laugh at the people who discuss climate change with such certainty, as if they could have any idea what would've happened without it. See this, for example:

I dunno, i would't really want to live in a glacial age. The idea we can properly predict these things is a fantasy: there are way too many variables involved.


We are already seeing the impacts of it. You look at the trajectories over time by taking into account changes in things like greenhouse gases. We already know how greenhouse effect works. More greenhouse gases circulating = rise in temperatures.

"Too many variables involved to predict" :hammerhead: :hammerhead: How do you think people in hedge funds make big bucks in stock market with so many variables? It's not pure luck like the slot machine at a casino or the lottery. You can predict to some degree with good detailed model taking into account as many variables as possible. That is what these models attempt to do. Sure, it may not be perfectly 100 percent accurate, but you can try to the best of your abilities to be as detailed as possible.

[Nick Young]

We are already seeing the impacts of it. You look at the trajectories over time by taking into account changes in things like greenhouse gases. We already know how greenhouse effect works. More greenhouse gases circulating = rise in temperatures.

"Too many variables involved to predict" :hammerhead: :hammerhead: How do you think people make big bucks in stock market with so many variables? It's not pure luck like the slot machine at a casino or the lottery. You can predict to some degree with good detailed model taking into account as many variables as possible. That is what these models attempt to do. Sure, it may not be perfectly 100 percent accurate, but you can try to the best of your abilities to be as detailed as possible.

Insider trading, diligent research, or luck.

We've only had these instruments that accurately measure climate change since the 1960s.

Our sample size is too tiny to draw any conclusions, especially when you look back on the earth's history of cooling and warming all on its own that was going on long before the first signs of life even existed.

[DeuceWallaces]

I always laugh at the people who discuss climate change with such certainty, as if they could have any idea what would've happened without it. See this, for example:



I dunno, i would't really want to live in a glacial age. The idea we can properly predict these things is a fantasy: there are way too many variables involved.



:facepalm

That Libya decision, for Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, was even more destructive than the Iraq idiocy; there's nothing 'cool' about destroying millions of lives, or providing a gigantic safe-haven for terrorists, as well as vast amounts of weaponry that have been shifted to extremist groups in Syria and all around Africa.

I understand you're not very good with science, statistical inference, etc., but there's a strong consensus on climate change.

[Dresta]

I understand you're not very good with science, statistical inference, etc., but there's a strong consensus on climate change.
Did you not even read the paper I posted? According to that research (published in Nature), without the onset of the industrial revolution, we would already have been plunged into a glacial period of the Ice Age we're currently in, which would've brought human development to a halt. It shows that our carbon emissions have actually made the climate far more stable than it otherwise would've been, at least in the short-term.

And i'm not sure what kind of expertise a plant ecologist can bring to the question of climate change. I'm aware there's a strong consensus that man-made climate change is a reality (and i never said otherwise: that's just your lack of comprehension again), but aside from that, there isn't much consensus regarding how much it's happening, nor what we ought to do about it.

And you, playing with your plants, really can know nothing more than that; and to pretend you do, just shows what an arrogant and conceited and delusional nincompoop you are.

[longtime lurker]

Explain how you believe Obama himself set race relations back 40 years. In what ways did he do that?

He had the audacity to be a black president.

[Nanners]

And i'm not sure what kind of expertise a plant ecologist can bring to the question of climate change. I'm aware there's a strong consensus that man-made climate change is a reality (and i never said otherwise: that's just your lack of comprehension again), but aside from that, there isn't much consensus regarding how much it's happening, nor what we ought to do about it.


Climate change plays a big role in plant life-cycles and growing seasons, and is also influencing plant distribution and diversity around the globe. Botany is one of the main fields where you can really measure the impacts of climate change. Your average plant biologist probably knows quite a bit about climate change, more than your average thesaurus wielding keyboard warrior I would imagine.

[90sgoat]

Kasich is a rabid neo-con who wants to start a war with Russia and China. Other than that he seems fine.

[Nick Young]

Kasich is a rabid neo-con who wants to start a war with Russia and China. Other than that he seems fine.
and he hates gay marriage. Is this what you want Dems? XD

[DeuceWallaces]

Did you not even read the paper I posted? According to that research (published in Nature), without the onset of the industrial revolution, we would already have been plunged into a glacial period of the Ice Age we're currently in, which would've brought human development to a halt. It shows that our carbon emissions have actually made the climate far more stable than it otherwise would've been, at least in the short-term.

And i'm not sure what kind of expertise a plant ecologist can bring to the question of climate change. I'm aware there's a strong consensus that man-made climate change is a reality (and i never said otherwise: that's just your lack of comprehension again), but aside from that, there isn't much consensus regarding how much it's happening, nor what we ought to do about it.

And you, playing with your plants, really can know nothing more than that; and to pretend you do, just shows what an arrogant and conceited and delusional nincompoop you are.

Keep talking. You are just flaunting your scientific knowledge right now. Why on Earth would a forest ecologist know anything about or study climate change?

:lol

You're mentally disabled right? That's the only explanation I can think of.

[Dresta]

Climate change plays a big role in plant life-cycles and growing seasons, and is also influencing plant distribution and diversity around the globe. Botany is one of the main fields where you can really measure the impacts of climate change. Your average plant biologist probably knows quite a bit about climate change, more than your average thesaurus wielding keyboard warrior I would imagine.
No, they really, really don't. There 's many people who make the study of these things their lives, and still they're no closer to a definitive anser to the questions i've raised. That someone who studies plants could have an anseer to these things because he's studied changing life-cycles is frankly ludicrous. How is that supposed to answer whether the industrial revolution prevented a glacial period, in which case none of us would be here? There is sooo much conjecture in this filed, so pretending otherwise is just facile. They know, a. Climate change is happening. and b. human beings have had an affect on changing climate cycles, though it is still not know whether this was even a good or bad thing. Anything else is little more than speculation.

And I like how neither of you bothered to address the Nature paper I posted: instead you ignored the whole thing, and went for the emotive dismissal that is the stock and trade of all fanatics who believe things without having any evidence for doing so.

Standard.

[Dresta]

Keep talking. You are just flaunting your scientific knowledge right now. Why on Earth would a forest ecologist know anything about or study climate change?

:lol

You're mentally disabled right? That's the only explanation I can think of.
oooohhh another insult from the angry and bitter plant ecologist, so depressed that the only living things he has contact with are plants, that he resorts to hurling abuse at people over the internet just so he can feel something.

Glad i'm not you.

[Dresta]

I just posted something I'd found and thought was interesting, which demonstrates just how difficult it is to be certain about these things. As human beings, we are still riddled with ignorance, about all kinds of things, and the law of unintended consequences has shown time and time again that small actions have far-reaching consequences that no-one can predict; it's one of the mysteries of life. But of course, the dull and unimaginative grasp at their certainties like a fanatic at his cross, largely because they haven't got religion any more, so they need to direct their innate fanaticism towards different outlets, very often scientism, and its infallible representative: "the expert."

Is no one else interested in the possibility that the industrial revolution could've prevented a glacial period? It is a remarkable finding really, and goes to show how little we understand.

But as it's ISHs, the typical way when one brings up an interesting idea, is for people to hurl abuse it you, either directly, or through the "rep" system; you guys are so damn sad :facepalm.

[bladefd]

What evidence do you have that the trajectory before industrial revolution was heading towards an ice age? Ice age does not typically take place within a very short period and builds up over time. The exception is if a supervolcano erupts or asteroid strikes Earth or something insane and sunlight gets blocked for extensive periods due to cloud/dust buildup. Naturally? It doesn't happen within a short window.

The article you posted says:

Additionally, our analysis suggests that even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.

50,000 years if we exclude any anthropocentric effects due to human doing. Yet somehow 175 years ago, we averted an ice age thanks to industrial revolution? It doesn't add up.

[Im Still Ballin]

Everyone knows anthropocentric global warming is one big farce

[Nanners]

No, they really, really don't. There 's many people who make the study of these things their lives, and still they're no closer to a definitive anser to the questions i've raised. That someone who studies plants could have an anseer to these things because he's studied changing life-cycles is frankly ludicrous. How is that supposed to answer whether the industrial revolution prevented a glacial period, in which case none of us would be here? There is sooo much conjecture in this filed, so pretending otherwise is just facile. They know, a. Climate change is happening. and b. human beings have had an affect on changing climate cycles, though it is still not know whether this was even a good or bad thing. Anything else is little more than speculation.

And I like how neither of you bothered to address the Nature paper I posted: instead you ignored the whole thing, and went for the emotive dismissal that is the stock and trade of all fanatics who believe things without having any evidence for doing so.

Standard.

yes, they really, really do. that someone who studies botany is more tapped in to climate science than some jabroni ass keyboard warrior is not remotely ludicrous. :oldlol:

did you even bother to read any of that paper you posted? I didnt really think it was worth addressing.


our analysis suggests that even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.

if you think the paper is saying an ice age was averted thanks to the industrial revolution you clearly misunderstood. how is any of this relevant regarding climate change in the 21st century anyway?

[DeuceWallaces]

No, they really, really don't. There 's many people who make the study of these things their lives, and still they're no closer to a definitive anser to the questions i've raised. That someone who studies plants could have an anseer to these things because he's studied changing life-cycles is frankly ludicrous. How is that supposed to answer whether the industrial revolution prevented a glacial period, in which case none of us would be here? There is sooo much conjecture in this filed, so pretending otherwise is just facile. They know, a. Climate change is happening. and b. human beings have had an affect on changing climate cycles, though it is still not know whether this was even a good or bad thing. Anything else is little more than speculation.

And I like how neither of you bothered to address the Nature paper I posted: instead you ignored the whole thing, and went for the emotive dismissal that is the stock and trade of all fanatics who believe things without having any evidence for doing so.

Standard.

Just because you don't understand climate change, are overwhelmed by it, and don't know how to scientifically test it doesn't mean it's false. It's real, accepted and thoroughly tested by the scientific community, and is currently the focus of about 75% of all environmental and physical scientific research.

The fact that you can't comprehend this further illustrates that you are a poser keyboard warrior faux-intellectual.