Am I crazy for assuming Hillary has this election in the bag?

[Springsteen]

Before I go any further, I wanna say I have no dog in this race. I'm in my second year of college and can finally vote. The bad part is, I really don't want to vote for any of the candidates. None of the stuff Bernie is proposing, while ideal, would ever actually come to fruition. And Hillary is well, Hillary. I'm not voting for her.

On the other side of course is Donald Trump. While I agree with him on several points, there's just too many things he's said that I can't stand for. Like Bernie, he's proposing a bunch of sh*t that will never actually happen (Mexico will pay for his "wall"? Seriously?). Plus, without even stepping into office I feel he's already on half the world leaders' bad sides. :facepalm

Anyway...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

If these poll aggregations are to be trusted, it kinda looks like Hillary has it wrapped up against Trump, right? What could he possibly do to her in a debate that could sway the polls at this point? She's a super coniving/calculating woman, I bet she's got a whole gameplan written out for every possible thing he throws out.

Even the Republicans themselves held a meeting to prepare for a Hillary presidency recently once they started to realize Trump couldn't be stopped.

So what do you guys think? Am I getting too ahead of things here? :confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

Look pal, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.

[Draz]

Look fren, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.

[UK2K]

Look buddy, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.

[Nick Young]

Michigan showed us that the polling is not to be trusted.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/35cpopc.jpg

I wonder how Hillary will win when she is literally getting millions of less votes than Trump is.

[FillJackson]

I won't tell you how to vote, but I can tell you that you should not listen to this clown.


http://oi64.tinypic.com/35cpopc.jpg

I wonder how Hillary will win when she is literally getting millions of less votes than Trump is.Three things are wrong with this post.
One is that the 2008 primary was the very highest voter turnout in the Democratic Primaries ever, I believe and the Democrats won the general election by almost 10 million votes and over 7%. It was a landslide. They don't need to repeat that to win the presidency. The Democrats didn't repeat this in 2012, but they still won by about 4% and 5 million votes and 332 electoral votes. The election was over by 11:15 that night. She could under-perform this and still win the White House.

The second reason is that Hillary Clinton gotten more votes so far than anyone. She has 4.94 million total votes while Trump has 4.34 million total votes. So she is not getting "literally millions" fewer votes, she is "literally getting" more than half million more votes than Trump.

[rezznor]

i remember how confident the right was during the last 2 election cycles as well..

[UK2K]

I won't tell you how to vote, but I can tell you that you should not listen to this clown.Three things are wrong with this post.
One is that the 2008 primary was the very highest voter turnout in the Democratic Primaries ever, I believe and the Democrats won the general election by almost 10 million votes and over 7%. It was a landslide. They don't need to repeat that to win the presidency. The Democrats didn't repeat this in 2012, but they still won by about 4% and 5 million votes and 332 electoral votes. The election was over by 11:15 that night. She could under-perform this and still win the White House.

The second reason is that Hillary Clinton gotten more votes so far than anyone. She has 4.94 million total votes while Trump has 4.34 million total votes. So she is not getting "literally millions" fewer votes, she is "literally getting" more than half million more votes than Trump.

Doesn't matter that Trump has almost as many votes, despite the fact that the Republican party is voting between several candidates whereas Hillary is practically running against herself.

Just throw out numbers.

[UK2K]

i remember how confident the right was during the last 2 election cycles as well..

You mean when this election cycle?

http://graphics.wsj.com/midterm-election-results-2014/

The people have spoken. Want to talk about landslides? Those results were about as one sided as you can get.

[Springsteen]

Look pal, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.



Look fren, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.



Look buddy, I was going to answer your question but honestly I was put off by that giant block of text. I have a massive headache so I have no patience to read all that gibberish at the moment. We'll try it again at a later time.

i got you guys don't worry

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/articles/health_tools/pms_overview_slideshow/getty_rm_photo_of_pills_in_hand.jpg

[DonDadda59]

i remember how confident the right was during the last 2 election cycles as well..

Which was weird considering all the available evidence was pointing towards Obama's reelection. Same with this cycle, even though it's still early and things can change. .. Hillary has a 9 and 13 point lead against Trump in the latest National polls. She also has a 73-16 lead among Latinos. Many political scientists have said that 40% is the magic number more or less needed in that demographic to win a GE. The last Republican to win an election was Dubya in 04 and he got 44% of the Hispanic vote.

[rezznor]

You mean when this election cycle?

http://graphics.wsj.com/midterm-election-results-2014/

The people have spoken. Want to talk about landslides? Those results were about as one sided as you can get.
ok now lets see the last 2 presidential elections

[UK2K]

ok now lets see the last 2 presidential elections

You should be more specific next time.

31 state legislatures are controlled by Republicans now. In 2008, that number was 15.

31 governors are Republican now. That number was 21 in 2008.

23 state governments are fully controlled by Republicans now. That number was 10 in 2008.

I see a trend developing.

[DonDadda59]

You mean when this election cycle?

http://graphics.wsj.com/midterm-election-results-2014/

The people have spoken. Want to talk about landslides? Those results were about as one sided as you can get.

And that produced the worst, most obstructive and unproductive congress with approval ratings in the teens. Biggest reason for the current implosion of the republican party today.

[UK2K]

And that produced the worst, most obstructive and unproductive congress with approval ratings in the teens. Biggest reason for the current implosion of the republican party today.

Absolutely. Republicans got into congress and didn't do what they said they were going to do.

Thus... Trump's popularity.

[Springsteen]

Doesn't matter that Trump has almost as many votes, despite the fact that the Republican party is voting between several candidates whereas Hillary is practically running against herself.

Just throw out numbers.

You're working under the assumption that all Republicans now will vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee though.

[UK2K]

You're working under the assumption that all Republicans now will vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee though.

And he's assuming Trump gets none of the other votes if he becomes the nominee.

Had it been a two man race this whole time, Trump would be pulling 60% easily.

That's why he used actual votes to make his point.

Let's assume Trump would only have gotten 10% of the votes that went to other candidates, who has more votes now?

[rezznor]

And he's assuming Trump gets none of the other votes if he becomes the nominee.

Had it been a two man race this whole time, Trump would be pulling 60% easily.

That's why he used actual votes to make his point.

Let's assume Trump would only have gotten 10% of the votes that went to other candidates, who has more votes now?
what's more likely though? the entire republican party backs trump 100% or the democrats back hillary?

both suck btw, but hillary is the lesser of 2 evils

[FillJackson]

If these poll aggregations are to be trusted, it kinda looks like Hillary has it wrapped up against Trump, right? What could he possibly do to her in a debate that could sway the polls at this point? She's a super coniving/calculating woman, I bet she's got a whole gameplan written out for every possible thing he throws out.

Even the Republicans themselves held a meeting to prepare for a Hillary presidency recently once they started to realize Trump couldn't be stopped.

So what do you guys think? Am I getting too ahead of things here? :confusedshrug:
Polls are a snapshot of where things are at that moment. If things change polls change. Polls are also more predictive the closer they are to an event. If I say I'm going to your birthday party in two days that's worth more than me telling you I'm going to your birthday party a year from now.

Predictwise which monitors the betting markets give her a 63% percent chance of being president. In fact, it considers Sanders the third most likely person to be President.
Hillary Clinton DEM 63 %
Donald Trump GOP 24 %
Bernie Sanders DEM 5 %

The reason Sanders is third is that based on recent trends the Democrats have an advantage in general elections.
Since 1992, Democrats have won the popular vote 5 times and the presidency 4 times.

If you look at states that are reliably Democratic over the last 6 elections, if they vote the same way, the Democratic candidate has 240 electoral votes and is only 30 votes away from the Presidency. That is if they win the usual states + Florida + any remaining state, they win the Presidency. Reliably Republican states only add up to 102 electoral votes. Taking out the Clinton years, the Republicans get up to 179 reliably Republican votes. So they really need a really strong candidate to be unified behind and a bad candidate/disorganized party on the other side to win because they have very few states they can lose.

So there is a lot of disadvantages to any Republican vs any Democrat over the last 6 elections. The biggest win for Republicans recently was 2004 in the wake of 9/11 when the President's popularity went to 90% and the first year of the Iraq War. That election probably would have gone differently if it was in 2005. The Republicans got 286 electoral votes in fairly tight race.

This model is highly dependent on voter turnout. Democrats tend to turn out for presidential elections and not as much in the off years.

Beyond these structural problems, the GOP is going to have specific issues if Trump is their candidate. Right now, polls show more than 40% of the party would be unsatisfied to have him as the candidate. This much higher than the Democrats that will be unsatisfied if Hillary is the candidate. He is not favorably viewed by most Americans. After the recent crude GOP debate Trump got the lowest net favorable rate in the history of the NBC/WSJ Poll. He's been winning in a very divided GOP. He's won about 36% of the vote. He's well ahead of the others, but he's well behind 50% too.

Some of Trump's biggest supporters want to damage the GOP. This will not be happening on the other side. The sitting president will be very much behind the Democratic candidate. I don't know what a GOP convention with Trump at the head looks like. The Democratic convention probably looks just like the last couple.

Will the large GOP donors be generous if the Trump is the nominee? He is not wealthy enough to fund a general election campaign by himself.

For all the folks he brings the GOP side, he will be driving away more. The Hispanic vote will spike this year. So far Hillary has been winning a higher percentage of black primary votes than Obama did. Traditional GOP voters like surburban married women will not be as supportive of a President Trump.

but who knows what will happen. this has been a wacky year. I think some third party candidate might get 5% this year.

[UK2K]

what's more likely though? the entire republican party backs trump 100% or the democrats back hillary?

both suck btw, but hillary is the lesser of 2 evils

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-sanders-20160206-story.html

Neither really, but the people voting for Bernie are voting for him because he's the complete opposite of Hillary. Who's voting for Bernie? Millennials. You think they're going to vote Hillary? Not a chance in hell. In fact, she represents everything they're voting AGAINST.

The one plus for Donald is his pull of independents, who make up almost half the votes.


Finally, while Clinton barely beats Trump in polls, the big issue is her weakness among independent voters. Seventy-four percent of independents distrust Clinton, and this matters primarily because 43 percent of the electorate is comprised of political independents. Many of these voters would gladly go to Trump, if Clinton was the only alternative. Sanders, on the other hand, reaches independents in a manner Clinton doesn't, and Democrats need this vote, especially in swing states.

I would rather Cruz win the nomination simply because hes more electable, and because hes better than Trump and Hillary, but its hard not to acknowledge Trumps massive victories and wave of momentum.



The poll's undecided voters prefer a Republican in a generic presidential ballot over a Democrat, by almost a 3-to-1 margin, 41 percent to 14.

Undecided voters are much more likely to rate President Obama's job performance negatively.

Those expressing no preference between Clinton and Trump favor smaller, rather than bigger, government.

A majority of undecided voters state they intend to vote for a Republican, rather than a Democrat, in their local congressional race.


But who knows? Polls are just that, polls. Until the votes are cast, we'll just have to wait and see.

[FillJackson]

Doesn't matter that Trump has almost as many votes, despite the fact that the Republican party is voting between several candidates whereas Hillary is practically running against herself.

Just throw out numbers.
Actually I was refuting a specific stupid thing that was said.

[FillJackson]

And he's assuming Trump gets none of the other votes if he becomes the nominee.

Had it been a two man race this whole time, Trump would be pulling 60% easily.
This is false. The highly divided GOP clearly works to Trump's advantage. This poll is from 3 days ago. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/272170-poll-trump-loses-head-to-head-vs-cruz-rubio)


But in hypothetical one-on-one match-ups with Cruz and Rubio, Trump loses. Cruz leads Trump 54 to 41 percent, and Rubio leads the outspoken businessman 51 to 45 percent.

Trump needs Rubio and Cruz to keep splitting votes or he will lose.



as an aside, UK often has his facts wrong, but he come by it honestly unlike the trolling of Mr. Young.

[FillJackson]

Neither really, but the people voting for Bernie are voting for him because he's the complete opposite of Hillary. Who's voting for Bernie? Millennials. You think they're going to vote Hillary? Not a chance in hell. In fact, she represents everything they're voting AGAINST.

By the time she wins the nomination and then is campaigning against Trump for months, I think this problem would be greatly diminished.

Obama's approval rating has gone up like 4 points recently. It's probably just from folks watching the recent debates.

[rezznor]

Polls are a snapshot of where things are at that moment. If things change polls change. Polls are also more predictive the closer they are to an event. If I say I'm going to your birthday party in two days that's worth more than me telling you I'm going to your birthday party a year from now.

Predictwise which monitors the betting markets give her a 63% percent chance of being president. In fact, it considers Sanders the third most likely person to be President.
Hillary Clinton DEM 63 %
Donald Trump GOP 24 %
Bernie Sanders DEM 5 %

The reason Sanders is third is that based on recent trends the Democrats have an advantage in general elections.
Since 1992, Democrats have won the popular vote 5 times and the presidency 4 times.

If you look at states that are reliably Democratic over the last 6 elections, if they vote the same way, the Democratic candidate has 240 electoral votes and is only 30 votes away from the Presidency. That is if they win the usual states + Florida + any remaining state, they win the Presidency. Reliably Republican states only add up to 102 electoral votes. Taking out the Clinton years, the Republicans get up to 179 reliably Republican votes. So they really need a really strong candidate to be unified behind and a bad candidate/disorganized party on the other side to win because they have very few states they can lose.

So there is a lot of disadvantages to any Republican vs any Democrat over the last 6 elections. The biggest win for Republicans recently was 2004 in the wake of 9/11 when the President's popularity went to 90% and the first year of the Iraq War. That election probably would have gone differently if it was in 2005. The Republicans got 286 electoral votes in fairly tight race.

This model is highly dependent on voter turnout. Democrats tend to turn out for presidential elections and not as much in the off years.

Beyond these structural problems, the GOP is going to have specific issues if Trump is their candidate. Right now, polls show more than 40% of the party would be unsatisfied to have him as the candidate. This much higher than the Democrats that will be unsatisfied if Hillary is the candidate. He is not favorably viewed by most Americans. After the recent crude GOP debate Trump got the lowest net favorable rate in the history of the NBC/WSJ Poll. He's been winning in a very divided GOP. He's won about 36% of the vote. He's well ahead of the others, but he's well behind 50% too.

Some of Trump's biggest supporters want to damage the GOP. This will not be happening on the other side. The sitting president will be very much behind the Democratic candidate. I don't know what a GOP convention with Trump at the head looks like. The Democratic convention probably looks just like the last couple.

Will the large GOP donors be generous if the Trump is the nominee? He is not wealthy enough to fund a general election campaign by himself.

For all the folks he brings the GOP side, he will be driving away more. The Hispanic vote will spike this year. So far Hillary has been winning a higher percentage of black primary votes than Obama did. Traditional GOP voters like surburban married women will not be as supportive of a President Trump.

but who knows what will happen. this has been a wacky year. I think some third party candidate might get 5% this year.
repped

[Springsteen]

Polls are a snapshot of where things are at that moment. If things change polls change. Polls are also more predictive the closer they are to an event. If I say I'm going to your birthday party in two days that's worth more than me telling you I'm going to your birthday party a year from now.

Predictwise which monitors the betting markets give her a 63% percent chance of being president. In fact, it considers Sanders the third most likely person to be President.
Hillary Clinton DEM 63 %
Donald Trump GOP 24 %
Bernie Sanders DEM 5 %

The reason Sanders is third is that based on recent trends the Democrats have an advantage in general elections.
Since 1992, Democrats have won the popular vote 5 times and the presidency 4 times.

If you look at states that are reliably Democratic over the last 6 elections, if they vote the same way, the Democratic candidate has 240 electoral votes and is only 30 votes away from the Presidency. That is if they win the usual states + Florida + any remaining state, they win the Presidency. Reliably Republican states only add up to 102 electoral votes. Taking out the Clinton years, the Republicans get up to 179 reliably Republican votes. So they really need a really strong candidate to be unified behind and a bad candidate/disorganized party on the other side to win because they have very few states they can lose.

So there is a lot of disadvantages to any Republican vs any Democrat over the last 6 elections. The biggest win for Republicans recently was 2004 in the wake of 9/11 when the President's popularity went to 90% and the first year of the Iraq War. That election probably would have gone differently if it was in 2005. The Republicans got 286 electoral votes in fairly tight race.

This model is highly dependent on voter turnout. Democrats tend to turn out for presidential elections and not as much in the off years.

Beyond these structural problems, the GOP is going to have specific issues if Trump is their candidate. Right now, polls show more than 40% of the party would be unsatisfied to have him as the candidate. This much higher than the Democrats that will be unsatisfied if Hillary is the candidate. He is not favorably viewed by most Americans. After the recent crude GOP debate Trump got the lowest net favorable rate in the history of the NBC/WSJ Poll. He's been winning in a very divided GOP. He's won about 36% of the vote. He's well ahead of the others, but he's well behind 50% too.

Some of Trump's biggest supporters want to damage the GOP. This will not be happening on the other side. The sitting president will be very much behind the Democratic candidate. I don't know what a GOP convention with Trump at the head looks like. The Democratic convention probably looks just like the last couple.

Will the large GOP donors be generous if the Trump is the nominee? He is not wealthy enough to fund a general election campaign by himself.

For all the folks he brings the GOP side, he will be driving away more. The Hispanic vote will spike this year. So far Hillary has been winning a higher percentage of black primary votes than Obama did. Traditional GOP voters like surburban married women will not be as supportive of a President Trump.

but who knows what will happen. this has been a wacky year. I think some third party candidate might get 5% this year.

damn i didn't know nate silver posts on ISH

[TheMan]

You should be more specific next time.

31 state legislatures are controlled by Republicans now. In 2008, that number was 15.

31 governors are Republican now. That number was 21 in 2008.

23 state governments are fully controlled by Republicans now. That number was 10 in 2008.

I see a trend developing.
You guys never learn.

The Dems have won the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 times and the demographics are only getting better for us.

There aren't enough poor white votes to overcome the advantages the Dems have with women, Latinos, blacks, young people etc...

Convince yourself that Drumpf has a chance though, gonna be a lot funnier when the Dems mollywhip the Repugs and all the gains you guys had goes up in smoke :oldlol:

[UK2K]

This is false. The highly divided GOP clearly works to Trump's advantage. This poll is from 3 days ago. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/272170-poll-trump-loses-head-to-head-vs-cruz-rubio)



Trump needs Rubio and Cruz to keep splitting votes or he will lose.



as an aside, UK often has his facts wrong, but he come by it honestly unlike the trolling of Mr. Young.
How does your picture refute the fact Trump would get more votes if other Republicans dropped out?

Just curious.

[Nick Young]

You're working under the assumption that all Republicans now will vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee though.
You're working under the assumption that too many of them won't.

[Nick Young]

You guys never learn.

The Dems have won the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 times and the demographics are only getting better for us.

There aren't enough poor white votes to overcome the advantages the Dems have with women, Latinos, blacks, young people etc...

Convince yourself that Drumpf has a chance though, gonna be a lot funnier when the Dems mollywhip the Repugs and all the gains you guys had goes up in smoke :oldlol:
Sources? Links? Non-anecdotal evidence?

[TheMan]

Sources? Links? Non-anecdotal evidence?
http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/22/why-donald-trump-cant-win-the-white-house/

The numbers right now just don't add up for the Donald :confusedshrug:..maybe right before the election, there will be video evidence of Hillary murdering children in cold blood. Short of that, Drumpf polls poorly with too many demographics, not the least college educated whites.

[Nick Young]

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/22/why-donald-trump-cant-win-the-white-house/

The numbers right now just don't add up for the Donald :confusedshrug:..maybe right before the election, there will be video evidence of Hillary murdering children in cold blood. Short of that, Drumpf polls poorly with too many demographics, not the least college educated whites.
That's exactly what they said about Bernie in Michigan.

[Lebron23]

I put my money on it.

[Springsteen]

You're working under the assumption that too many of them won't.

The evidence is out there. Jeb Bush's top donor has gone on record saying he'll support Hillary if Trump wins.

[FillJackson]

How does your picture refute the fact Trump would get more votes if other Republicans dropped out?

Yes, Trump would get more votes. In a two way race, he might be in second though.

I think of comparing total Republican votes vs total Democratic votes at this point is silly for the fact that 16 of the states that voted before today are reliably Republican while on 11 are reliably Democratic.

Republican
SC, AL, AL, AR, GA, ND, OK, TN, TX, WY, KS, KY, LA, NB, ID, MS

Democratic
IA, NH, NV, CO, MA, MN, VT, VI, ME, HI, MI

In that Republican list is the massive, Texas, the second biggest state of the Union. Romney won by like 17 points and over 1.2 million voters in the general election.

1.2 million is bigger than the total votes of 4 of Democratic States is that list.
VT, HI, ME, NH,

Given these 27 states you have much larger pool of Republican voters than Democratic voters to start with. You would have to normalize for that before you made the comparison.

[Nick Young]

Why does KevinNYC want the segregationist candidate who said black kids need to be "brought to heel" to be our president?:confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

Yup

[tmacattack33]

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/22/why-donald-trump-cant-win-the-white-house/

The numbers right now just don't add up for the Donald :confusedshrug:..maybe right before the election, there will be video evidence of Hillary murdering children in cold blood. Short of that, Drumpf polls poorly with too many demographics, not the least college educated whites.

Damn, i never seen those numbers before.

My faith in human beings being a little less racist has gone up after reading that.

It seems that only the idiots are the racists.

Good to know.

[poido123]

The sad part is, people are hoping Hillary gets in, even though she will be just another run-of-the-mill war hawk, establishment candidate.


Trump may have some far out ideas, but at least they are his ideas and I think he has some plausible changes on the board when it comes to financial negotiations that will benefit America.


Hillary? What are you voting for? What does she bring to the table that the presidency hasn't seen?

[navy]

The sad part is, people are hoping Hillary gets in, even though she will be just another run-of-the-mill war hawk, establishment candidate.


Trump may have some far out ideas, but at least they are genuine.


Hillary? What are you voting for? What does she bring to the table that the presidency hasn't seen?
You're back....

[poido123]

You're back....


I'm not here to stir anyone. Just want to contribute and post without any attacks.

[Graviton]

I'm not here to stir anyone. Just want to contribute and post without any attacks.
I know where you work now, you better watch yourself.

Jk.

[UK2K]

The sad part is, people are hoping Hillary gets in, even though she will be just another run-of-the-mill war hawk, establishment candidate.


Trump may have some far out ideas, but at least they are his ideas and I think he has some plausible changes on the board when it comes to financial negotiations that will benefit America.


Hillary? What are you voting for? What does she bring to the table that the presidency hasn't seen?

I don't care that she's a democrat so much as I care that she's another political pawn.

The country, by all measures, has been on a downhill slope for the past 10 - 15 years and unless someone changes things, I mean REALLY changes things, it's going to continue.

I don't even mind Bernie has president. I think his ideas are awful and would never actually work, but ****, I am willing to try it anyway.

[FillJackson]

The country, by all measures, has been on a downhill slope for the past 10 - 15 years

Yeah, things ain't been the same since the last Clinton Presidency.

[poido123]

I don't care that she's a democrat so much as I care that she's another political pawn.

The country, by all measures, has been on a downhill slope for the past 10 - 15 years and unless someone changes things, I mean REALLY changes things, it's going to continue.

I don't even mind Bernie has president. I think his ideas are awful and would never actually work, but ****, I am willing to try it anyway.



Same. He's a harmless, means well kind of guy.

[UK2K]

Same. He's a harmless, means well kind of guy.
Yeah I don't think he's out to 'control' America like Hillary is. Bernie just seems like a concerned citizen.

But I can tell you nothing will change with Hillary or Rubio as president. At least with Sanders/Trump/Cruz you know you're going to get SOMETHING, even if it's the wrong choice.

I'll take something over nothing.

[Stu Jackson]

cruz will win

[~primetime~]

Clinton has had it in the bag for a while now...something tremendous would have to happen for her to lose this at this point, which is possible but unlikely.

Those who think anyone else has a shot are pretty much just in denial or just wanting to throw out their opinions before it's over.

[NumberSix]

Clinton has had it in the bag for a while now...something tremendous would have to happen for her to lose this at this point, which is possible but unlikely.

Those who think anyone else has a shot are pretty much just in denial or just wanting to throw out their opinions before it's over.
Lol. You people are clueless. Whoever the republican nominee isn't going to give her the kid gloves treatment that Bernie has.

[~primetime~]

Lol. You people are clueless. Whoever the republican nominee isn't going to give her the kid gloves treatment that Bernie has.
whoever?...it's Trump, and he's going to get stomped

many Republicans are going to be forced to suck it up and vote Hillary over Trump this year (the logical ones), that's how ridiculous he is.

[Draz]

whoever?...it's Trump, and he's going to get stomped

many Republicans are going to be forced to suck it up and vote Hillary over Trump this year (the logical ones), that's how ridiculous he is.
The last few days cemented his fate.

[oh the horror]

whoever?...it's Trump, and he's going to get stomped

many Republicans are going to be forced to suck it up and vote Hillary over Trump this year (the logical ones), that's how ridiculous he is.



The sooner these clowns here grasp this reality the better.



Hillary isn't exactly great herself though. This is quite possibly the worst presidential race I've seen in my lifetime.

[NumberSix]

whoever?...it's Trump, and he's going to get stomped

many Republicans are going to be forced to suck it up and vote Hillary over Trump this year (the logical ones), that's how ridiculous he is.
It's really crazy how it goes over your heads what a historically bad candidate she is. It's not even clear yet that she's going to beat Bernie Sanders.

[UK2K]

Clinton has had it in the bag for a while now...something tremendous would have to happen for her to lose this at this point, which is possible but unlikely.

Those who think anyone else has a shot are pretty much just in denial or just wanting to throw out their opinions before it's over.

She dodged sniper fire, yo.

Speaking from personal experience, that shit is no joke. Anyone who has to dodge sniper fire is A-OK in my book.

[~primetime~]

The sooner these clowns here grasp this reality the better.



Hillary isn't exactly great herself though. This is quite possibly the worst presidential race I've seen in my lifetime.
yep I consider this the worst in my lifetime...bush vs kerry was also epically bad though

Hillary isn't 'great' at all, but she definitely isn't as bad as many make her out to be. Yeah she says whatever it takes to win a vote, she's lied in the past, that's every candidate. She has the most realistic visions of all the candidates, and she actually has a clue as to how things go, I feel like the others are just completely clueless and unrealistic.

[FillJackson]

It's really crazy how it goes over your heads what a historically bad candidate she is. It's not even clear yet that she's going to beat Bernie Sanders.Do you even know when you're trolling?


I was at a family event this weekend with the more conservative side of my extended family. All Republicans there were despondent. None could find anyway to vote for Trump. Probably couldn't vote for Cruz either.

One of them turned to me and said, you know, right now if I could I would vote for Obama for a third term.

[Draz]

The sooner these clowns here grasp this reality the better.



Hillary isn't exactly great herself though. This is quite possibly the worst presidential race I've seen in my lifetime.
I agree. It's only the racist fggts that support him. And it won't die off because no one's going to let that slide. Trump is hilarious. Talking about the "millions" that left the Democratic party along with pulling independents. Lmaoo. When the Republican party themselves are finding ways to block him and are against him.

There's an old saying "you talk the story of your own"

[poido123]

Do you even know when you're trolling?


I was at a family event this weekend with the more conservative side of my extended family. All Republicans there were despondent. None could find anyway to vote for Trump. Probably couldn't vote for Cruz either.

One of them turned to me and said, you know, right now if I could I would vote for Obama for a third term.



Yet, the rest of the country is getting out to vote for Trump, we are seeing record numbers of voters and large crowds going to Trump rallies.


I don't think Hillary has it in the bag yet, I think Trump might have some good dirt on her once it gets down to a one on one.


It won't be pretty. These two will get really nasty.

[Draz]

Yet, the rest of the country is getting out to vote for Trump, we are seeing record numbers of voters and large crowds going to Trump rallies.


I don't think Hillary has it in the bag yet, I think Trump might have some good dirt on her once it gets down to a one on one.


It won't be pretty. These two will get really nasty.
Bill Clinton being behind her will give her that boost she requires to beat him. People are after all supporting her for her husband not necessarily for her.

[Terahite]

"I haven't even started on Hilary" says Trump. And he's right.

People on crack who think Trump wouldn't destroy Hillary in a general election need to buck up and watch the brilliance that is Trump. He will ONLY garner more support as time goes on while Hillary will only gain Trump naysayers and that's not enough. :lol

The shit he'll say about Hillary in a GE will be truly legendary and will make the "enlightened" internet generation very proud to get out and vote. If we include places like Europe I predict millions of libtards will be converted during his matchup with Hillary.

The only chance the Dems/antichrist group have is to nominate Bernie Sanders, but even that would tank hard, and be far less amusing.

[poido123]

Bill Clinton being behind her will give her that boost she requires to beat him. People are after all supporting her for her husband not necessarily for her.



Trump is pretty clever when it comes to manipulating public perception and getting people to vote for him.


Get your deckchair out folks, the one on one battle is going to be a bloodbath.
They have known each other for years, they would surely have some good dirt on each other.