Why do people act like Kobe being ranked 12th all time is a bad thing?

[Derivative]

I don't get why people think it's a bad thing for Kobe to be ranked 12th, he's the freakin' 12th best player of all time ever, out of the tens of thousands of players in NBA history....


Also people think Kobe ranking 22nd in all time PER is bad, NO, it's actually pretty amazing to be the 22nd most efficient player of ALL time.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Because his fans have dedicated their lives to hating on LeBron and arguing why Kobe is better. Come to find out, by the time they both retire, LeBron will be at least 10 spots higher than him on practically every all-time list. :roll: :cheers:

[ILLsmak]

I don't get why people think it's a bad thing for Kobe to be ranked 12th, he's the freakin' 12th best player of all time ever, out of the tens of thousands of players in NBA history....


Also people think Kobe ranking 22nd in all time PER is bad, NO, it's actually pretty amazing to be the 22nd most efficient player of ALL time.

It's bad because it's hate. They know it's hate. Just like people are hype over Bron being number 3, it's total bullshit.

I don't think Kobe was a top 10 talent player, but I think he is def a top ten criteria player. I've forgotten about the list, and I forgot who they put over him.

Just looked:

I think Kobe should be at 10 right now. I don't think Hakeem and Oscar should make it over him. Kobe's resume is just too good. I also think Shaq at 9 was pretty shitty.

-Smak

[raprap]

I personallY have him as the top 10 goat. Its not that bad given that kobe has small hands for his height.

[Derivative]

It's bad because it's hate. They know it's hate. Just like people are hype over Bron being number 3, it's total bullshit.

I don't think Kobe was a top 10 talent player, but I think he is def a top ten criteria player. I've forgotten about the list, and I forgot who they put over him.

Just looked:

I think Kobe should be at 10 right now. I don't think Hakeem and Oscar should make it over him. Kobe's resume is just too good. I also think Shaq at 9 was pretty shitty.

-Smak

Shaq is 2nd best of all time IMO after Jordan. No one was as dominant as Shaq during his peak.

[outbreak]

my top 15 has kobe 11th and lebron 12th

[$LakerGold]

Because he's clearly not, higher than 12. Again, they're full of idiots=))

[bigkingsfan]

He's lucky to even play basketball.

[coin24]

Why do bran stains believe all the shit lespn feeds them? They hyped him from day one and Kobe has called them out numerous times. Of course that's what they would do regarding there ranking..

If you look at the whole list it's ridiculous.

It's click bait for the fat dumb and happy. (Brain damaged letards)

[WayOfWade]

I've made this argument before, I think their personal obsession/hatred of LeBron is kind of what fuels it. Most Kobe fans really can't think logically, and I'm not talking about just this board, I've met plenty in real life just like them. Mainly though it's just people like Stalker looking for attention that spam this kind of stuff and make it hard to appreciate greatness like what we've seen Kobe do in his career

[Im Still Ballin]

The reality is Kobe can realistically be anywhere from 8-12

He's essentially Door Man status for the top 10

Lebron is already a 3-8 guy

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Why do people act like OP is a fggot a bad thing


They are fken thousands of tranny fggot . So OP is actually an okay fggot

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

[stalkerforlife]

Because he's obviously a top 5 player of all time at worst?

12th is a joke.

[raprap]

Because he's obviously a top 5 player of all time at worst?

12th is a joke.
12th

[Ranked 12th]

I'm a Kobe fan, but I'm objective.


I'm happy Kobe was chosen as one of the 12 best players in NBA History. Its great to see that scrawny teen from Philly beat the odds and rise as the 12th best player ever. :applause:


I created this account as a celebration of Kobe's rightful place all-time.

[12be]

The lists are right. :(

[Magic 32]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png

[SouBeachTalents]

These lists are subjective anyway, but it's not like it's out of the ordinary for Kobe to be ranked in that spot

ESPN ranked him 12th (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15)
Sports Illustrated ranked him 12th (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest)
Slam 500 ranked him 10th (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html)
Bleacher Report ranked him 11th (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time/page/93)
Real GM ranked him 13th (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1328924)
ProSportsDaily ranked him 10th (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?871758-PSD-s-Top-50-List-of-the-Greatest-NBA-Players-of-All-Time)

[Ranked 12th]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png

That was before Kobe missed the playoffs 4 straight seasons.


8th ranking + 4 playoff misses = #12 ranked player

[Mr. Jabbar]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png

no lebron = acceptable list.

[LakersForlife]

:applause: :applause: :applause:
no lebron = acceptable list.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Many of you already know I am a die hard Pacers fan and a fan of the game of basketball in it's entirety as well. The main issue with ESPN's ranking system is that virtually none of their writers for have any sort of real basketball experience, they are all statistic guys so they fall in love with LeBron's numbers without seeing the whole picture. ESPN is good for getting news stories and updates but you really should not rely on them for any type of in depth analysis if you wish to know shit about basketball.

[stalkerforlife]

Many of you already know I am a die hard Pacers fan and a fan of the game of basketball in it's entirety as well. The main issue with ESPN's ranking system is that virtually none of their writers for have any sort of real basketball experience, they are all statistic guys so they fall in love with LeBron's numbers without seeing the whole picture. ESPN is good for getting news stories and updates but you really should not rely on them for any type of in depth analysis if you wish to know shit about basketball.

:applause:

[jstern]

I'm a Kobe fan, but I'm objective.


I'm happy Kobe was chosen as one of the 12 best players in NBA History. Its great to see that scrawny teen from Philly beat the odds and rise as the 12th best player ever. :applause:


I created this account as a celebration of Kobe's rightful place all-time.

But what about when Curry retires?

[jstern]

Many of you already know I am a die hard Pacers fan and a fan of the game of basketball in it's entirety as well. The main issue with ESPN's ranking system is that virtually none of their writers for have any sort of real basketball experience, they are all statistic guys so they fall in love with LeBron's numbers without seeing the whole picture. ESPN is good for getting news stories and updates but you really should not rely on them for any type of in depth analysis if you wish to know shit about basketball.
I haven't watched ESPN in years, but the one thing that I loved about them during the whole Kobe Colorado thing is that at least back then, they were the absolute objective new source. Because Sport essentially deals with facts and numbers.

If you turned to any of the other news channel, it was always a debate between one side, lets say a woman who was abused in the past and so she's absolutely convinced that Kobe raped the girl, and then another person saying that he didn't. The hell with the facts, the hell with Kobe and whether it's true or not, they want to win this argument.

I guess now it might be a little different since they also follow that same two different sides arguing format. But back then, :applause: for ESPN.

Sport Center was simply, these are the facts today, these is what was said.

[jstern]

These lists are subjective anyway, but it's not like it's out of the ordinary for Kobe to be ranked in that spot

ESPN ranked him 12th (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15)
Sports Illustrated ranked him 12th (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest)
Slam 500 ranked him 10th (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html)
Bleacher Report ranked him 11th (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time/page/93)
Real GM ranked him 13th (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1328924)
ProSportsDaily ranked him 10th (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?871758-PSD-s-Top-50-List-of-the-Greatest-NBA-Players-of-All-Time)

I wanted to mention something similar, because I was aware of the Bleacher Report ranking. But I didn't know those other sources also had him ranked around 12th.

Maybe, just maybe, it's a reasonable ranking. No conspiracy. Maybe it's more legit than the opinion of the average fan, that follow every game on their own, but don't go into deep basketball discussion and analysis on a daily basis, and have Kobe ranked number 1 all time simply because he's their favorite player of all time, seeing him play gives them a deep admiration feeling, and they like the aesthetics of his game.

These lists are all subjective. But I heard someone involved with the ESPN list and at least they had what seem like a common sense approach, where being really objective, based on really looking into the players, and being objective about it, leaving out personal bias out of it. As long as that effort was there, it's a better list than the average person that you see complaining on the comment section of such website, or YouTube video.

[Gileraracer]

Because his fans have dedicated their lives to hating on LeBron and arguing why Kobe is better. Come to find out, by the time they both retire, LeBron will be at least 10 spots higher than him on practically every all-time list. :roll: :cheers:


and still 2 rings and probably 10 finals losses :lol

[Magic 32]

But I heard someone involved with the ESPN list and at least they had what seem like a common sense approach, where being really objective, based on really looking into the players, and being objective about it, leaving out personal bias out of it.

http://s29.postimg.org/xc2xev4d3/32452453.png



Amin Elhassan interned in basketball operations for the New York Knicks during the 2004-05 season, then took a full-time internship with the Phoenix Suns. In Phoenix, Elhassan rose to video coordinator, then to scouting coordinator, then to the franchise's assistant director of basketball operations, working under team general manager Steve Kerr.



http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0529/nba_g_kobe18_300.jpg




http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14266941

[TheImmortal]

Amin Elhassan has a punchable face.. Abbott's little boytoy.

[Dragonyeuw]

The biggest insult of that list is Lebron being 9 places ahead of Kobe, and 5/6 places ahead of Duncan and Shaq. Whether one considers Lebron better than Kobe or vice versa isn't an argument I'm interested in having in this post, but there's not 'that' much separation between them in a GOAT list. Heck, I'm really just in awe at Shaq's number 9 ranking, this guy has one of the top 3-4 most dominant peaks ever, 14 years starting from his rookie year of domination, and he's number 9?! I mean, I get that the lists are subjective, but holy ****....

[Ranked 12th]

The biggest insult of that list is Lebron being 9 places ahead of Kobe, and 5/6 places ahead of Duncan and Shaq. Whether one considers Lebron better than Kobe or vice versa isn't an argument I'm interested in having in this post, but there's not 'that' much separation between them in a GOAT list. Heck, I'm really just in awe at Shaq's number 9 ranking, this guy has one of the top 3-4 most dominant peaks ever, 14 years starting from his rookie year of domination, and he's number 9?! I mean, I get that the lists are subjective, but holy ****....

U mad brah?


Look at PER

[feyki]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png

This is not bad . But Bird and Magic ( and also Lebron , he ranked at 5 him ) over Wilt , i just disagree . Wilt has a case for goat spot , like MJ,Kareem and Russell . He should in the top 4 at least .

And then Oscar and West aren't top 10 players , and this come from by 60's fan . West has a case for top 10 . But just probabilities for him . Oscar isn't top 10 , clearly .

If Hakeem played his entire career like his before 92 . I agree with even around 15 . But his 93-95 prime was greatest prime with Jordan after 80 . He has a case for top 5 and clearly top 10 .

I agree with Duncan , he's on the Magic-Bird level as career .

Kobe . Hmm , a inconsistent player , b2b all def 1th but he played bad defence against Suns in b2b playoffs . His older days (08-10 ) far better his prime years ( 2003-2007 ) .

He has great case for top 10 , like Shaq . Kobe's career better with his 08-10 days . And Kobe played amazing defence when he's young . Shaq didn't .

And , it's comes to my man . Mikaaann :D . People thinks he played against 6'5 white guys , but he had better competition than Shaq .

Nat Clifton >>>>>>>>> Rik + Todd

Nat Clifton > Old Mutombo with Illegal D

So , my list ;




GOAT
-----------------------------
Kareem,Russell,Jordan,Wilt

Top 5 to Top 10
--------------------------------
Duncan,Bird,Hakeem,Magic,Mikan

Top 10 to candidates
---------------------------------
Kobe,Shaq,Lebron,Erving,West

[Dragonyeuw]

U mad brah?


Look at PER

Do I sound mad? The fcuk outta here with that juvenile BS....

Per isn't the end all, be all. And even if it was, Shaq is number 3 all-time in PER, so why is he ranked number #9? What is the argument for Lebron to be 6 places ahead of Shaq? Ring count? Nope. MVPs? Meh, Nash has as many as Shaq and Kobe. Peak? In the last 30 years, the only person I would take over 2000-2002 Shaq is probably 90-93 MJ. There's no good argument for a 6 place chasm between Lebron and Shaq in the rankings. Actually if you want to go by PER, is Chris Paul a top ten GOAT player?

[InsanityKills]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png
This shit is 6 years old, dude.:facepalm Its probably tough to know the year without ever coming out your basement though.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html

[Ca$H]

I don't get why people think it's a bad thing for Kobe to be ranked 12th, he's the freakin' 12th best player of all time ever, out of the tens of thousands of players in NBA history....


Also people think Kobe ranking 22nd in all time PER is bad, NO, it's actually pretty amazing to be the 22nd most efficient player of ALL time.

Katelyn Faber is the reason why Bran is ranked so high and Kobe is ranked so low.

[aj1987]

This is not bad . But Bird and Magic ( and also Lebron , he ranked at 5 him ) over Wilt , i just disagree . Wilt has a case for goat spot , like MJ,Kareem and Russell . He should in the top 4 at least .

And then Oscar and West aren't top 10 players , and this come from by 60's fan . West has a case for top 10 . But just probabilities for him . Oscar isn't top 10 , clearly .

If Hakeem played his entire career like his before 92 . I agree with even around 15 . But his 93-95 prime was greatest prime with Jordan after 80 . He has a case for top 5 and clearly top 10 .

I agree with Duncan , he's on the Magic-Bird level as career .

Kobe . Hmm , a inconsistent player , b2b all def 1th but he played bad defence against Suns in b2b playoffs . His older days (08-10 ) far better his prime years ( 2003-2007 ) .

He has great case for top 10 , like Shaq . Kobe's career better with his 08-10 days . And Kobe played amazing defence when he's young . Shaq didn't .

And , it's comes to my man . Mikaaann :D . People thinks he played against 6'5 white guys , but he had better competition than Shaq .

Nat Clifton >>>>>>>>> Rik + Todd

Nat Clifton > Old Mutombo with Illegal D

So , my list ;




GOAT
-----------------------------
Kareem,Russell,Jordan,Wilt

Top 5 to Top 10
--------------------------------
Duncan,Bird,Hakeem,Magic,Mikan

Top 10 to candidates
---------------------------------
Kobe,Shaq,Lebron,Erving,West



You really don't know basketball, do you? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Magic 32]

This shit is 6 years old, dude.:facepalm Its probably tough to know the year without ever coming out your basement though.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html

What 3 players would push Kobe out of the top 10 during these last 6 years?

And if Bill still ranks Duncan over Lebron (which he does), then how do you even know if Bill ranks Lebron higher than Kobe?

[tmacattack33]

It is only the Kobe stans who are mad, along with casual fans who are a little confused.


And this is because the media made it seem like Kobe was the next coming of MJ ever since they hyped him up as a teenager coming into league taking Brandy to the prom while getting drafted by the most popular franchise in the game and playing alongside Shaq.

He also has 5 rings and a lot of barbershop convos will just use that as an end all be all.

The best list i've seen is realgm's, and Kobe is 14th on it.

[Ranked 12th]

What 3 players would push Kobe out of the top 10 during these last 6 years?

And if Bill still ranks Duncan over Lebron (which he does), then how do you even know if Bill ranks Lebron higher than Kobe?

Duncan won a ring since then as well...


you're not very bright

[feyki]

Aj ;

Cause i ranked Shaq worse than you think :lol .

Magic32 ;


Simmons said Lebron surpassed Bird and he's at number 5 in last year .

[aj1987]

Aj ;

Cause i ranked Shaq worse than you think :lol .

Magic32 ;


Simmons said Lebron surpassed Bird and he's at number 5 in last year .
Ranking Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Magic, Mikan a tier over Shaq and Wilt, BR 2 tiers over him? Beyond moronic.

[InsanityKills]

What 3 players would push Kobe out of the top 10 during these last 6 years?

And if Bill still ranks Duncan over Lebron (which he does), then how do you even know if Bill ranks Lebron higher than Kobe?
Kobe pushes himself out of the top 10 due lack of playing the past two seasons and the realization of how non-impactful he was.

[Magic 32]

Duncan won a ring since then as well...

you're not very bright

Well Gus, I'm not bright enough to juggle multiple account like you. That much is true.


I'm still waiting on the 2 other players that surpassed Kobe on the list (stepping around the fact that Bill has yet to put Lebron over Kobe in any list, book or podcast).

[Ranked 12th]

Well Gus, I'm not bright enough to juggle multiple account like you. That much is true.


I'm still waiting on the 2 other players that surpassed Kobe on the list (stepping around the fact that Bill has yet to put Lebron over Kobe in any list, book or podcast).

Bill already said LeBron is ahead of Bird.


Forgot your helmet?

[ILLsmak]

Shaq is 2nd best of all time IMO after Jordan. No one was as dominant as Shaq during his peak.

Shaq is my favorite player; watched his whole career, but...

You just can't put him above Kareem (Even tho I think he would win a matchup vs him.) Can't put him over Wilt, Russell, Magic or Bird, either. After that, sure there is discussion. But those guys are untouchable until someone comes along and just blows their careers out of the water. That's why, to me, it was such a travesty that they ranked LeBron 3rd. It's debatable, but I believe you should show respect to the guys. You don't get to surpass them without a GOAT argument. That's why Kareem is number 2 (or 1, if you wish.)

I'm warming up on TD, too, but I still think Shaq is better. Since it goes in tiers 1-2, 2-6... then kind of separates. Maybe because, for me, it's easy to tell who is better of the guys I saw play. The guys before that, 70-80s guys, 60s guys... it's hard to go against their mystique, and I believe that should be respected in all time lists. Just like at this point nobody is really arguing that Curry ISN'T the best shooter ever, I imagine someone will come along that is better than those guys, but it ain't Bron OR Kobe.

Wall of text...

-Smak

[Magic 32]

Aj ;
Simmons said Lebron surpassed Bird and he's at number 5 in last year .


Bill already said LeBron is ahead of Bird.




He said that he would CLEARLY surpass Bird and also Magic if he won a 3rd straight ring (Grantland preview video on the 13-14 season).

Where Bill had Lebron at that time was and is still is unknown (unless you have heard a podcast I have not).

[Magic 32]

Forgot your helmet?

Yes. The raining shit from you is painful.

[G.U.S.]

Yes. The raining shit from you is painful.
At least u admit ur getting shitted on:lol

[Ranked 12th]

At least u admit ur getting shitted on:lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

At least u admit ur getting shitted on:lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

WE WIN, AGAIN!

[Magic 32]

At least u admit ur getting shitted on:lol

Only according to you, you and Im Still Ballin (potentially you).

[feyki]

He said that he would CLEARLY surpass Bird and also Magic if he won a 3rd straight ring (Grantland preview video on the 13-14 season).

Where Bill had Lebron at that time was and is still is unknown (unless you have heard a podcast I have not).

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000208-sports-and-racing-nba/69290834/784595225?dismiss=20

[feyki]

Ranking Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Magic, Mikan a tier over Shaq and Wilt, BR 2 tiers over him? Beyond moronic.

So, it's all about Shaq ?

[InsanityKills]

At least u admit ur getting shitted on:lol
DAMN! :lol :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000208-sports-and-racing-nba/69290834/784595225?dismiss=20

And on this podcast from a few weeks ago he said 7th'ish

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-70-nba-w-joe-house-and-kirk-goldsberry

So who the hell knows.

[feyki]

And on this podcast from a few weeks ago he said 7th'ish

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-70-nba-w-joe-house-and-kirk-goldsberry

So who the hell knows.

He's confused :D .

[Nash]

I trust Bill Simmons over any of those ESPN truehoops nerds.

http://s22.postimg.org/g9aebum7l/dsfg.png
that list is from 2010. Update it with Lebron(and Shaq who for whatever reason is at #12) and Kobe is out of the top 10.

[Magic 32]

He's confused :D .

That's true.

So until we get the updated version of "The Book of Basketball" I think this talk is useless.

But his ranking of Kobe can't be worse than 9th, which was my original point.

[Magic 32]

that list is from 2010. Update it with Lebron(and Shaq who for whatever reason is at #12) and Kobe is out of the top 10.

Except Bill did not put Shaq in the top 10.

And number 10 would still be....top 10.

[Nash]

Except Bill did not put Shaq in the top 10.
whatever way you spin this, it will be common knowledge that Kobe is not a top 10 player. Maybe Bill doesn't have Shaq in the top 10 but 90% of the time Shaq is in the top 10.

Magic
Russell
Wilt
Lebron
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan
Jordan
Bird

Have all claimed a spot in the top 10. Kobe has done his years and it didn't take him into the top 10. He's not bumping any of those guys out now when he's finished his career.
What we gonna do :confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

whatever way you spin this, it will be common knowledge that Kobe is not a top 10 player.

Common knowledge is whatever Truehoops tells us?

I can find as many lists with Kobe in the top 10 as I can find lists with him outside it.





Maybe Bill doesn't have Shaq in the top 10 but 90% of the time Shaq is in the top 10.

Magic
Russell
Wilt
Lebron
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan
Jordan
Bird


And 90% would not have Hakeem in the top 10.

I happen to have both in the top 10.

1. MJ (greatest player)
2. Russell (greatest winner)
3. Wilt (greatest individual force)
4. Kareem (greatest longevity)
5. Magic (greatest playermaker)
6. Bird (greatest basketball mind)

7. Kobe (greatest player part 2)
8. Duncan (greatest winner part 2)
9. Shaq (greatest individual force part 2)
10 Hakeem (greatest longevity part 2)
11. Lebron (greatest playermaker part 2)
12. Oscar (greatest basketball mind part 2)

[Nash]

Common knowledge is whatever Truehoops tells us?

I can find as many lists with Kobe in the top 10 as I can find lists with him outside it.





And 90% would not have Hakeem in the top 10.

I happen to have both in the top 10.

1. MJ (greatest player)
2. Russell (greatest winner)
3. Wilt (greatest individual force)
4. Kareem (greatest longevity)
5. Magic (greatest playermaker)
6. Bird (greatest basketball mind)

7. Kobe (greatest player part 2)
8. Duncan (greatest winner part 2)
9. Shaq (greatest individual force part 2)
10 Hakeem (greatest longevity part 2)
11. Lebron (greatest playermaker part 2)
12. Oscar (greatest basketball mind part 2)
:roll: :roll:
yeah f*ck this, I'm done with you clown.

[Magic 32]

:roll: :roll:
yeah f*ck this, I'm done with you clown.

http://img.danawa.com/images/descFiles/3/189/2188196_1_1374453892.gif

[tmacattack33]

Common knowledge is whatever Truehoops tells us?

I can find as many lists with Kobe in the top 10 as I can find lists with him outside it.





And 90% would not have Hakeem in the top 10.

I happen to have both in the top 10.

1. MJ (greatest player)
2. Russell (greatest winner)
3. Wilt (greatest individual force)
4. Kareem (greatest longevity)
5. Magic (greatest playermaker)
6. Bird (greatest basketball mind)

7. Kobe (greatest player part 2)
8. Duncan (greatest winner part 2)
9. Shaq (greatest individual force part 2)
10 Hakeem (greatest longevity part 2)
11. Lebron (greatest playermaker part 2)
12. Oscar (greatest basketball mind part 2)

LOL at trying to give these players these labels just so you can have Kobe at 7.

This is one of the funniest things i've seen in a while.

"greatest basketball mind"... "greatest longevity part 2"

"greatest individual force"

L-O-fukkin-L! Pure comedy gold.

[Magic 32]

LOL at trying to give these players these labels just so you can have Kobe at 7.


I think the "greatest player" should be one who combines winning, individual skills and dominance.

That explains Jordan over Russell. And it explains Kobe over Duncan and the other players in the 2nd tier.

[Nash]

LOL at trying to give these players these labels just so you can have Kobe at 7.

This is one of the funniest things i've seen in a while.

"greatest basketball mind"... "greatest longevity part 2"

"greatest individual force"

L-O-fukkin-L! Pure comedy gold.
'Greatest player part 2':roll: :roll:

what the fuc*in' hell is that?!

Couldn't stop laughing reading that clown.

[Ranked 12th]

'Greatest player part 2':roll: :roll:

what the fuc*in' hell is that?!

Couldn't stop laughing reading that clown.
:roll: :roll:

[tmacattack33]

I think the greatest player should one who combines winning, individual skills and dominance.

That explains Jordan over Russell. And it explains Kobe over Duncan and the other players in the 2nd tier.

LOL!

Yes, you have found the magic formula.

All lists must now conform to your silly pattern in groups of six: best player, winner, individual force, playmaker, longevity, and basketball mind.


And if somebody doesn't fit into one of these labels ( a "sharp shooter" like Stephen Curry perhaps, or "offensive/defensive/rebounding beasts" like David Robinson or KG), then too bad, they cannot be ranked and have to be placed outside of the top 50.


:roll:

[Magic 32]

'Greatest player part 2':roll: :roll:

what the fuc*in' hell is that?!

Couldn't stop laughing reading that clown.

Same criteria, but 2nd tier. Not that hard.

Bill Simmons did the same with his "immortal 6"

[Magic 32]

LOL!

Yes, you have found the magic formula.

Works for me.



All lists must now conform to your silly pattern in groups of six


Never said that.



best player, winner, individual force, playmaker, longevity, and basketball mind.

I believe that is the correct ranking of these major overall qualities, yes.



And if somebody doesn't fit into one of these labels ( a "sharp shooter" like Stephen Curry perhaps,

Well, we have never seen anyone like Curry before (a truly dominant player by virtue of basically shooting), so that would be interesting if he can make it to the top 15. Hasn't happened yet though.




or "offensive/defensive/rebounding beasts" like David Robinson or KG), then too bad, they cannot be ranked and have to be placed outside of the top 50.



Those guys would not make any list of the absolute greatest player of all time.

You would never say that Robinson was the best or second best at anything significant.

This is a way to rank and seperate the absolute greatest.

[feyki]

That's true.

So until we get the updated version of "The Book of Basketball" I think this talk is useless.

But his ranking of Kobe can't be worse than 9th, which was my original point.

Exactly .

[IllegalD]

whatever way you spin this, it will be common knowledge that Kobe is not a top 10 player. Maybe Bill doesn't have Shaq in the top 10 but 90% of the time Shaq is in the top 10.

Magic
Russell
Wilt
Lebron
Shaq
Kareem
Hakeem
Duncan
Jordan
Bird

Have all claimed a spot in the top 10. Kobe has done his years and it didn't take him into the top 10. He's not bumping any of those guys out now when he's finished his career.
What we gonna do :confusedshrug:

Wow, reading this retards post made my head hurt.

This is YOUR list, you little f*ggot.

You really think your opinion is that important that you have the final say on who's in the Top 10 or not?

Reality check, lots of players and coaches have Kobe in their Top 10, some even in their Top 5.

Their opinion is way more valid than some internet message board f*ggot that literally spends more time posting about Kobe than about any other player/team.

Your obsession with him is weird and pathetic. :lol

Anybody who ranks Hakeem ahead of Kobe really doesn't know sh*t about basketball or must have a serious agenda to grind.

[Nash]

Wow, reading this retards post made my head hurt.

This is YOUR list, you little f*ggot.

You really think your opinion is that important that you have the final say on who's in the Top 10 or not?

Reality check, lots of players and coaches have Kobe in their Top 10, some even in their Top 5.

Their opinion is way more valid than some internet message board f*ggot that literally spends more time posting about Kobe than about any other player/team.

Your obsession with him is weird and pathetic. :lol

Anybody who ranks Hakeem ahead of Kobe really doesn't know sh*t about basketball or must have a serious agenda to grind.
ouch..:roll: :roll:

that list is not based of me, those 10 guys are what you'll usually find in the top 10. Kobe is not in there.
In this thread there are many examples that show this, check them out.

you need to realize that you're overrating Kobe. You're the fanboy here, not everybody else.

[raprap]

Common knowledge is whatever Truehoops tells us?

I can find as many lists with Kobe in the top 10 as I can find lists with him outside it.





And 90% would not have Hakeem in the top 10.

I happen to have both in the top 10.

1. MJ (greatest player)
2. Russell (greatest winner)
3. Wilt (greatest individual force)
4. Kareem (greatest longevity)
5. Magic (greatest playermaker)
6. Bird (greatest basketball mind)

7. Kobe (greatest player part 2)
8. Duncan (greatest winner part 2)
9. Shaq (greatest individual force part 2)
10 Hakeem (greatest longevity part 2)
11. Lebron (greatest playermaker part 2)
12. Oscar (greatest basketball mind part 2)
Lol is this post serious? :roll:

[Magic 32]

Lol is this post serious? :roll:

Absolutely.

This is one way of seperating and ranking the all time greats.

Ranking the greatest legacy attributes and applying them to the top players.

And I will defend the use of "mind" as a defining attribute (you can call it IQ or intangibles if you will).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rg1sFMxnbM&t=2m15s

[Straight_Ballin]

I don't get why people think it's a bad thing for Kobe to be ranked 12th, he's the freakin' 12th best player of all time ever, out of the tens of thousands of players in NBA history....


Also people think Kobe ranking 22nd in all time PER is bad, NO, it's actually pretty amazing to be the 22nd most efficient player of ALL time.

Because every other list that I've seen has him higher than 12, and has lebron no where near 3. Why is a guy who is only 2/6 ranked #3 by ESPN? Manufactured superstar with shit foot work, and a broken shot. At least Kobe was entertaining to watch.

[Nash]

Because every other list that I've seen has him higher than 12, and has lebron no where near 3. Why is a guy who is only 2/6 ranked #3 by ESPN? Manufactured superstar with shit foot work, and a broken shot. At least Kobe was entertaining to watch.
Nope..


These lists are subjective anyway, but it's not like it's out of the ordinary for Kobe to be ranked in that spot

ESPN ranked him 12th (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15)
Sports Illustrated ranked him 12th (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest)
Slam 500 ranked him 10th (http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html)
Bleacher Report ranked him 11th (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time/page/93)
Real GM ranked him 13th (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1328924)
ProSportsDaily ranked him 10th (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?871758-PSD-s-Top-50-List-of-the-Greatest-NBA-Players-of-All-Time)

[Magic 32]

Real GM ranked him 13th
ProSportsDaily ranked him 10th


Made by fans on message boards. Useless.


Bleacher Report ranked him 11th

Made by one random dude on Bleacher

Here is another random dude on Bleacher ranking Kobe 4th.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/871743-the-nbas-50-greatest-players-of-all-time-where-do-lebron-and-kobe-rank/page/52

Sports Illustrated ranked him 12th

Made by Jack McCallum. One guy.

Here is a list by another single guy

http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638

ESPN ranked him 12th
Slam 500 ranked him 10th

So that leaves the biggest Kobe haters on the web and Slam magazine (where he ranks 10th).

[aquaadverse]

Real GM ranked him 13th
ProSportsDaily ranked him 10th


Made by fans on message boards. Useless.


Bleacher Report ranked him 11th

Made by one random dude on Bleacher

Here is another random dude on Bleacher ranking Kobe 4th.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/871743-the-nbas-50-greatest-players-of-all-time-where-do-lebron-and-kobe-rank/page/52

Sports Illustrated ranked him 12th

Made by Jack McCallum. One guy.

Here is a list by another single guy

http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638

ESPN ranked him 12th
Slam 500 ranked him 10th

inSo that leaves the biggest Kobe haters on the web and Slam magazine (where he ranks 10th).

And you're a fan on a message board. Useless.

[DMAVS41]

It's not...we've been trying to tell you guys this for years now. The basketball community, especially the new crop of writers/reporters that actually care about facts, simply don't rate Kobe as high as fans do.

I think 12 is too low given that most people never saw some of the other guys, but he's in that 10 to 12 range. It's clearly where he belongs.

And quite frankly, Kobe fans should feel good about that because if their boy went to the Nets and played his career out in a bad market without good circumstances. He wouldn't even be that high.

It's been a magnificent, yet slightly overrated, career by Kobe and the crazy fans needs to make peace with the fact that it's almost over.

[IllegalD]

It's not...we've been trying to tell you guys this for years now. The basketball community, especially the new crop of writers/reporters that actually care about facts, simply don't rate Kobe as high as fans do.

I think 12 is too low given that most people never saw some of the other guys, but he's in that 10 to 12 range. It's clearly where he belongs.

And quite frankly, Kobe fans should feel good about that because if their boy went to the Nets and played his career out in a bad market without good circumstances. He wouldn't even be that high.

It's been a magnificent, yet slightly overrated, career by Kobe and the crazy fans needs to make peace with the fact that it's almost over.

Perfect example of why no one on this board takes Dirk Stanleys seriously. Did you move out of the trailer park yet?

[Ranked 12th]

Hes the 12th best player

Deal with it

[DMAVS41]

Perfect example of why no one on this board takes Dirk Stanleys seriously. Did you move out of the trailer park yet?

You seem to respond a lot.

You really think Kobe is "for sure" better than guys like Hakeem and Duncan and Shaq?

I don't think anyone, even his biggest stans, think this.

[G.U.S.]

12th. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

It's not...we've been trying to tell you guys this for years now. The basketball community, especially the new crop of writers/reporters that actually care about facts, simply don't rate Kobe as high as fans do.

Actually the new crop of writers/reporters almost solely rely on adv stats, and Kobe is their favorite target to prove their "insider" knowledge of the game.

Luckly some writers are still smart enough to call these kind of wouldbe stat experts out for the idiots they are.

This is still one of the better takedowns of the anti-Kobe hit pieces.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/28/1961684/how-to-be-statistically-biased-henry-abbott





And quite frankly, Kobe fans should feel good about that because if their boy went to the Nets and played his career out in a bad market without good circumstances. He wouldn't even be that high.

So true. Had he played for the Nets he would probably have ended up playing with guys like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown during his best years.

Unlike Vince, T-Mac or Lebron who never played with anyone during their primes.

And playing with Pau and Lamar......can't get any more stacked then that.

Every great players becomes great no matter what. Except Kobe, who needed great circumstances to be truly great.

Magic? Bird? Jordan? Nope. They were not lucky in their careers. They just willed their greatness into being.



I'm so ****** tired of these old arguments still being around after 20 years. It's amazing.

[DMAVS41]

Actually the new crop of writers/reporters almost solely rely on adv stats, and Kobe is their favorite target to prove their "insider" knowledge of the game.

Luckly some writers are still smart enough to call these kind of wouldbe stat experts out for the idiots they are.

This is still one of the better takedowns of these hit pieces..

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/28/1961684/how-to-be-statistically-biased-henry-abbott





So true. Had he played for the Nets he would probably have ended up playing with guys like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown during his best years.

Unlike Vince, T-Mac or Lebron who never played with anyone during their prime.

And playing with Pau and Lamar......can't get any more stacked then that.

Every great players becomes great no matter what. Except Kobe, who needed great good circumstances to be truly great.

Magic? Bird? Jordan? Nope. They were not lucky. They just willed their greatness into being.



I'm so ****** tired of these old arguments still being around after 20 years. It's amazing.

What you, and other Kobe fans can't grasp, is that other players aren't as reliant on their team accomplishments as Kobe was/is.

Until you understand this...you'll keep thinking your above response means anything...and it doesn't.

Also, current writers of the game are so much better informed now than they were 20 years ago it's insane.

Sorry...Kobe is right in that 10 to 12 range where he should be. Make peace with it...because he's only going down over time...not up.

[Magic 32]

What you, and other Kobe fans can't grasp, is that other players aren't as reliant on their team accomplishments as Kobe was/is.


Right, 28/6/5 over 14 seasons is nothing special. Won two rings as the first option. Worthless. Anyone could do that with players like Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.




Also, current writers of the game are so much better informed now than they were 20 years ago it's insane.


Why? Because they have basketball-reference?

And I'm sure this "information" is only available to the writers who rank Kobe where you think he should be.

The rest are just too dumb to use it.

Maybe you should just try to read this...

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/28/1961684/how-to-be-statistically-biased-henry-abbott

[Ranked 12th]

Right, 28/6/5 over 14 seasons is nothing special. Won two rings as the first option. Worthless. Anyone could do that with players like Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.


Gasol was the best second option in the league from 2008-2010, and was arguably better than Kobe in 2010

Odom was the best 3rd option in the league


Average front court height of 7 feet = automatic championships.
















Kobe was the appetizer to the Lakers 2-peat, not the main course

[Magic 32]

Gasol was the best second option in the league from 2008-2010

And he was good completely separate from Kobe.

0-12 in the playoffs before he played with Kobe, but all his succes with Kobe can be credited to himself.

Brilliant



and was arguably better than Kobe in 2010

Not even close.



Odom was the best 3rd option in the league


When he was awake, sure.




Average front court height of 7 feet = automatic championships.


http://www.baconsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/andrew-bynum-cleveland-cavaliers.jpg

[DMAVS41]

Right, 28/6/5 over 14 seasons is nothing special. Won two rings as the first option. Worthless. Anyone could do that with players like Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.




Why? Because they have basketball-reference?

And I'm sure this "information" is only available to the writers who rank Kobe where you think he should be.

The rest are just too dumb to use it.

Maybe you should just try to read this...

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/28/1961684/how-to-be-statistically-biased-henry-abbott


Notice your tactics. You imply I'm saying "anyone could do it and it's nothing special"....

Yet I'm telling you Kobe is one of the best players of all time. I'm saying the exact opposite of that. I have Kobe as one of the best players ever. So who are you talking to?

Do you see how annoying it is to converse with people like you?

Why about writers? Because they actually have objectivity in a way they didn't use to. There are measures that destroy what we used to have access to.

In the past, people would think a guy like Rudy Gay or Melo were elite. Now we know they aren't. If you don't think that shift isn't a byproduct of a more informed basketball world...I give up.

[Magic 32]

Do you see how annoying it is to converse with people like you?


I'm not trying to converse with you at all.

I'm trying to shame you because you are trotting out the same old worthless arguments that have been leveled against Kobe for 15 f**king years.

I don't care where you rank him. And using your anonymous body of "knowledgeable "writers to make your case makes me even less impressed.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not trying to converse with you at all.

I'm trying to shame you because you are trotting out the same old worthless arguments that have been leveled against Kobe for 15 f**king years.

I don't care where you rank him. And using your anonymous body of "knowledgeable "writers to make your case makes me even less impressed.

But I'm not making those arguments. I'm simply saying that I find 10 or so other players in history deserving of a higher ranking...and a few more if we were just going off impact.

We could get into actual arguments if you want, but I imagine you won't.

I'm not using writers to make my case at all. I simply said that writers are more informed now and that Kobe fans need to get used to a ranking like this because that is where we are and Kobe is never going to go up over time...he'll only be viewed as worse.

Whether that is right or wrong is another story...I'm just telling you those facts.

[Magic 32]

But I'm not making those arguments. I'm simply saying that I find 10 or so other players in history deserving of a higher ranking...and a few more if we were just going off impact.


No, you brought up the subject of "circumstances". And that has always rubbed me the wrong way.

And quite frankly, Kobe fans should feel good about that because if their boy went to the Nets and played his career out in a bad market without good circumstances. He wouldn't even be that high.

There is nothing about circumstances that should be brought up in the discussion about Kobe's all-time ranking.

Magic and Larry had HOF'ers left and right from the moment they stepped into the NBA.

If someone wants to rank Kobe at 8, or 10, 15. Fine. I don't really care.

But these old asterisks or caveats from the Shaq days are soooo annoying after 20 years.

[DavisWarriorsFan]

Fans don't care about rankings from the media. NBA players and coaches have Kobe ranked top 5 of all time. They only care about opinions from them.

[tmacattack33]

I wonder if Curry and Durant will be able to surpass Kobe in the next 6-7 years. They each already have peak years that can rival or even pass Kobe's best year.

And then we have young dudes like Anthony Davis and Kawhi Leonard who might be able to do it within 15 years. And there's some rookies and sophomores with potential too, like Karl Anthony Towns and Wiggins. Or, someone like Curry who we don't even know about yet and develops late who starts to come into his prime at age 27.

So, be happy with 12 right now Kobe fans. The ESPN/SI lists might have Kobe at 17 in 2030.

[Magic 32]

So, be happy with 12 right now Kobe fans. The ESPN/SI lists might have Kobe at 17 in 2030.

And will surely mean as much then as it does now.

Although I doubt that ESPN and SI will be around in 2030 (crossing fingers).

[tmacattack33]

And will surely mean as much then as it does now.

Although I doubt that ESPN and SI will be around in 2030 (crossing fingers).

Okay, use the best list i've seen so far, compiled by the biggest bball forum on the net, where they only allowed their best posters to vote. Kobe is 13 on there, and can easily be number 18 by 2030 on it.

:rockon:


Just face it man, when you were young in 2001 you bought into the Kobe hype. It's okay...you were prob like 15 then and didn't know any better. I suggest you do what other Kobe fans are doing and become a Curry fan.

[DMAVS41]

No, you brought up the subject of "circumstances". And that has always rubbed me the wrong way.

And quite frankly, Kobe fans should feel good about that because if their boy went to the Nets and played his career out in a bad market without good circumstances. He wouldn't even be that high.

There is nothing about circumstances that should be brought up in the discussion about Kobe's all-time ranking.

Magic and Larry had HOF'ers left and right from the moment they stepped into the NBA.

If someone wants to rank Kobe at 8, or 10, 15. Fine. I don't really care.

But these old asterisks or caveats from the Shaq days are soooo annoying after 20 years.

Again, you aren't following this...

Circumstances are brought up by some because we don't feel Kobe's actual level of play and impact was as high as his career ranking is.

You list Magic and Larry as having great help...totally agree. That is missing the point though. I think Magic and Larry were better players than Kobe...and it had nothing to do with circumstances.

The point of bringing up circumstances is that I, and clearly many others, feel that Kobe's true impact was never as high as his fans do.

My argument would be that just focusing on level of play...you'd differentiate some of these guys even more.

Take Bird, for example, within a year or two of entering the league...people were legit calling him the best ever. That wasn't his circumstances...people weren't talking about how many titles he had or would win...etc.

The Kobe fan argument is always about titles won...always. And so of course his absurdly great circumstances are brought.

Sorry, but it matters.

Hence, once again, why Kobe's ranking will only get worse over time. As we learn more and get better at evaluating individual players...that more information will not result in a guy like Kobe being move up. He'll move down...and rightfully so. He was a great player, but not on the level you and his fans think/thought.

And over time...objective measures and people will see this...just like they have.

So, like I said...get used to it.

[DMAVS41]

And will surely mean as much then as it does now.

Although I doubt that ESPN and SI will be around in 2030 (crossing fingers).


You just got done saying to me that ranking Kobe 15th is reasonable...so what is your issue?

I agree these lists don't mean anything, but you are in a tough spot basically calling everyone else stupid.

[outbreak]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-13-2016/746LIB.gif

[Magic 32]

You just got done saying to me that ranking Kobe 15th is reasonable...so what is your issue?

I agree these lists don't mean anything, but you are in a tough spot basically calling everyone else stupid.

No, I said I don't care.

But if your argument is stupid, I will still call it out.

Speaking of which...


Again, you aren't following this...

Circumstances are brought up by some because we don't feel Kobe's actual level of play and impact was as high as his career ranking is.

You list Magic and Larry as having great help...totally agree. That is missing the point though. I think Magic and Larry were better players than Kobe...and it had nothing to do with circumstances.

The point of bringing up circumstances is that I, and clearly many others, feel that Kobe's true impact was never as high as his fans do.



I can't even begin to unwrap this.

You ARE in fact using "circumstances" as a way of legitimising your feelings about Kobe's ranking (or saying that he will be lower some day), but you base this argument on...nothing ("some of us feel that he's not as good and therefore his circumstances were especially fortuitous (not true) and it should be mentioned as a meaningful consideration").

No. It's just a dig.

And furthermore, it's incorrect if you ask me.

[AirFederer]

If you for the latest pages have tried to convice people you have no unbiased grasp of the game of ball, I salute you sir, you have won me over :cheers:

No, I said I don't care.

But if your argument is stupid, I will still call it out.

Speaking of which...



I can't even begin to unwrap this.

You ARE in fact using "circumstances" as a way of legitimising your feelings about Kobe's ranking (or saying that he will be lower some day), but you base this argument on...nothing ("some of us feel that he's not as good and therefore his circumstances were especially fortuitous (not true) and it should be mentioned as a meaningful consideration").

No. It's just a dig.

And furthermore, it's incorrect if you ask me.

[Magic 32]

If you for the latest pages have tried to convice people you have no unbiased grasp of the game of ball, I salute you sir, you have won me over :cheers:

Well I'm sure that means something to someone.

[Lebron23]

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[Lebron23]

In 10 years he won't ever be a top 15 player of all time. Just enjoy his current ranking Kobestans.

[feyki]

In 10 years he won't ever be a top 15 player of all time. Just enjoy his current ranking Kobestans.

Too bad in ten years you will still be a midget :lol .

[knicksman]

At the end of the day, only losers respect bran.

[Smoke117]

At the end of the day, only losers respect bran.

...this is a Kobe thread.

[knicksman]

...this is a Kobe thread.


if you werent dumb, you would understand

[Cold soul]

In 10 years he won't ever be a top 15 player of all time. Just enjoy his current ranking Kobestans.

My god... You truly are special kind of retarded. Kobe is top 10 deal with it troll.

[jstern]

There really is no shame in being 12th. It's an amazing accomplishment. I have him somewhere between 13 and 17. Loses some spots because Shaq was unstoppable for 3 of those championships, though overall he probably gained more by that. Perhaps without Shaq he would've of been in the 20s and nobody would be arguing and caring. None the less, 2 Finals MVPs, 1 MVP, 20 seasons. Amazing accomplishments.

[LAZERUSS]

Even the LATEST ESPN (Sept 7, 2016) poll has Kobe ranked ahead of LeQUIT...

http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/09/08/lakers-kobe-bryant-best-player-since-michael-jordan-espn-poll/

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

And by a HUGE margin.

[SouBeachTalents]

Even the LATEST ESPN (Sept 7, 2016) poll has Kobe ranked ahead of LeQUIT...

http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/09/08/lakers-kobe-bryant-best-player-since-michael-jordan-espn-poll/

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

And by a HUGE margin.

The same poll where Curry got more votes than Shaq :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

The same poll where Curry got more votes than Shaq :roll:

You do realize that Kobe ROUTED EVERYONE as Player of the Decade, right?

http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote13/

Shaq was way behind Kobe, as were Duncan and LePuke.

Even SHAQ, himself acknowledged it...


Remember that Shaquille O'Neal-Kobe Bryant feud? That seems like ancient history these days, as Shaq keeps piling the praise on his former teammate.

Most recently, on ESPN's First Take, Shaq said Kobe has been the best player in the NBA since Michael Jordan.

[Bankaii]

Even the LATEST ESPN (Sept 7, 2016) poll has Kobe ranked ahead of LeQUIT...

http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/09/08/lakers-kobe-bryant-best-player-since-michael-jordan-espn-poll/

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

And by a HUGE margin.
You used a Lakers based website and a poll that says Curry>Shaq as proof.
You can't be this stupid, Lebron literally made you go reateded.

[SouBeachTalents]

You used a Lakers based poll and a poll that says Curry>Shaq.
You can't be this stupid, Lebron literally made you go reateded.

He then proceeded to use a poll to diminish LeBron that was from 2009 :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

He then proceeded to use a poll to diminish LeBron that was from 2009 :oldlol:
And completely dodged you calling him out on that poll by posting another irrelevant poll:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

He then proceeded to use a poll to diminish LeBron that was from 2009 :oldlol:

No, the poll that diminshed Shrinkage was from 9/7/2016.

The poll that diminshed Shaq was basically in Shaq's last season.

[LAZERUSS]

You used a Lakers based website and a poll that says Curry>Shaq as proof.
You can't be this stupid, Lebron literally made you go reateded.

What is wrong with a poll that has 60,000 voters?

Better than the RIDICULOUS ESPN's Top-50, which was done by a small group of sports writers and editors. And no names attached. For all we know it was at the directive of the head honchos at ESPN to make sure that the GOAT QUITTER in NBA HISTORY would be ranked at a VERY controversial Top-3 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

You used a Lakers based website and a poll that says Curry>Shaq as proof.
You can't be this stupid, Lebron literally made you go reateded.

ESPN's POLL you IDIOT...

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

60,000 strong.

[Bankaii]

ESPN's POLL you IDIOT...

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

60,000 strong.
IT HAS CURRY>SHAQ DUMBASS.
That ruins all credibility, not to mention its voted on by idiot casual fans.
Lebron>Kobe>Wilt. Get over it gramps.

[LAZERUSS]

IT HAS CURRY>SHAQ DUMBASS.
That ruins all credibility, not to mention its voted on by idiot casual fans.
Lebron>Kobe>Wilt. Get over it gramps.


There was no mention of Wilt, who owns the NBA RECORD BOOK, including a TON of POST-SEASON RECORDS.

And no, it does not destroy any credibility. Both Shaq and Curry received a TINY percentage of the votes. There TOTALS were DWARFED by Kobe.

And it certainly DESTROYED ESPN's highly SUSPICIOUS Top-50. NO ONE took that "panel of idiots" seriously.

[Bankaii]

There was no mention of Wilt, who owns the NBA RECORD BOOK, including a TON of POST-SEASON RECORDS.

And no, it does not destroy any credibility. Both Shaq and Curry received a TINY percentage of the votes. There TOTALS were DWARFED by Kobe.

And it certainly DESTROYED ESPN's highly SUSPICIOUS Top-50. NO ONE took that "panel of idiots" seriously.
No one mentioned Lebron either, but your insecurity couldn't keep away from bringing hm up.
And wilt also holds the record for largest ppg drop off from RS>playoffs>finals.

Regardless of you backtracking and dodging, any poll that states that Curry is better than Shaq is a dumb one and not credible whatsoever.

Hold the L and meltdown over Lebron elsewhere.

[LAZERUSS]

No one mentioned Lebron either, but your insecurity couldn't keep away from bringing hm up.
And wilt also holds the record for largest ppg drop off from RS>playoffs>finals.

Regardless of you backtracking and dodging, any poll that states that Curry is better than Shaq is a dumb one and not credible whatsoever.

Hold the L and meltdown over Lebron elsewhere.

Wilt holds the all-time PRODUCTION in the post-season my friend. 23-25-4 = 52. And if blocks had been officially recorded, it would have been 23-25-4-8 =60. Blows away LeQUIT's 28-9-7-1 =45.

And a prime SCORING Chamberlain was putting up multiple post-seasons of 35-25-3 and with blocks, another 8...or 71.

[Atlantis]

Because the media is biased against him ever since the rape trial, and we all know that's the reason why he isn't ranked higher. Truth.

[Mr Feeny]

There really is no shame in being 12th. It's an amazing accomplishment. I have him somewhere between 13 and 17. Loses some spots because Shaq was unstoppable for 3 of those championships, though overall he probably gained more by that. Perhaps without Shaq he would've of been in the 20s and nobody would be arguing and caring. None the less, 2 Finals MVPs, 1 MVP, 20 seasons. Amazing accomplishments.

I'd say that's pretty much spot on. 12th is nothing to sneeze at either.

[LAZERUSS]

I'd say that's pretty much spot on. 12th is nothing to sneeze at either.

Kind of makes you wonder where LeQUIT would rank, doesn't it?

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

Kobe ROUTS Shrinkage in a RECENT poll, with some 60,000 voters.

[aj1987]

Hey, faggy, stick to Ilt Chokerlain topics.

It's funny just thinking about it. Shaq would make the skinny bitch quit basketball for good, if the LSU version of him went against the '67 version of Chokerlain. The mental midget pretty much played in a joke era though.

Suck on this, you midget slut:

https://s21.postimg.org/mjrhvch87/Screen_Shot_2016_11_05_at_3_37_24_AM.png

[LAZERUSS]

Hey, faggy, stick to Ilt Chokerlain topics.

It's funny just thinking about it. Shaq would make the skinny bitch quit basketball for good, if the LSU version of him went against the '67 version of Chokerlain. The mental midget pretty much played in a joke era though.

Suck on this, you midget slut:

https://s21.postimg.org/mjrhvch87/Screen_Shot_2016_11_05_at_3_37_24_AM.png


The people have spoken...as well as Shaq...

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

Kobe >>>> Shrinkage.

[aj1987]

The people have spoken...as well as the world...

https://s21.postimg.org/mjrhvch87/Screen_Shot_2016_11_05_at_3_37_24_AM.png

LeBron >>>> Ilt Chokerlain.
I see that you still are obsessed with a dude's thing. Good for you, kid.

[LAZERUSS]

Hey, faggy, stick to Ilt Chokerlain topics.

It's funny just thinking about it. Shaq would make the skinny bitch quit basketball for good, if the LSU version of him went against the '67 version of Chokerlain. The mental midget pretty much played in a joke era though.

Suck on this, you midget slut:

https://s21.postimg.org/mjrhvch87/Screen_Shot_2016_11_05_at_3_37_24_AM.png

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.si.com/vault/2002/12/23/334678/his-own-worst-enemy-when-they-were-both-7-foot-phenoms-at-lsu-stanley-roberts-schooled-his-buddy-shaquille-oneal-why-then-was-roberts-such-a-bust-in-the-nba-and-why-does-everybody-still-love-him


When the 19-year-old Roberts met O'Neal down on the LSU practice court known as the Dungeon to face off for the first time, people scrambled to drag in chairs. Might play? The first time O'Neal got the ball, he slammed right over Roberts, and Roberts returned the favor. The next four possessions went like that: Two 7-foot, 290-pound mastodons colliding, Boom! Six times up and down the floor, six straight dunks. Onlookers howled, and teammates jawed at Roberts, "This is your house! Your house!"

Then, abruptly, Roberts switched gears. He took the ball on the wing, and as Shaq stood in the lane, waiting, never thinking to go guard him, Roberts lofted an 18-footer over his head and in. O'Neal was frozen--and, worse, exposed. It hit Roberts at once: You can't come out. I got you. O'Neal's feet were still heavy, awkward, size 22 to Roberts's 16. His game was all height and force. Roberts rained jumpers over O'Neal, and the few times Shaq dared to step out, Roberts cut around him and dunked. On the other end Roberts learned quickly how to time Shaq's jump hook and slap it away, how to shiver Shaq with a forearm to the chest at the foul line and halt his momentum before he got into the lane, how to frustrate him until he lost focus.

"When we played each other in the NBA, he was the only one who ever really slowed me down," O'Neal says of Roberts. "His game is just like mine: Big, funny, silly--but he can shoot. I can't."



If Stanley Roberts could outplay Shaq, imagine the carpet-bombing that Chamberlain would have leveled Shaq with.

Of course, Wilt was taller, longer, stronger, faster, more athletic, and more skilled than Shaq, as well.

A prime Wilt against a prime Shaq...

Shaq would have just been road kill in Chamberlain's rear view mirror ajackoff.

[Lebron23]

Too bad in ten years you will still be a midget :lol .


I am like taller than you. And I saw your pictures. You are not only an skinny looking F@ggot, but you are a useless dug addict.

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.si.com/vault/2002/12/23/334678/his-own-worst-enemy-when-they-were-both-7-foot-phenoms-at-lsu-stanley-roberts-schooled-his-buddy-shaquille-oneal-why-then-was-roberts-such-a-bust-in-the-nba-and-why-does-everybody-still-love-him



If Stanley Roberts could outplay Shaq, imagine the carpet-bombing that Chamberlain would have leveled Shaq with.

Of course, Wilt was taller, longer, stronger, faster, more athletic, and more skilled than Shaq, as well.

A prime Wilt against a prime Shaq...

Shaq would have just been road kill in Chamberlain's rear view mirror ajackoff.
Bruh, Chokerlain got outplayed by 5'8" midgets routinely. FOH with that retarded shit. The only time Chokerlain was ever close to Shaq's size was when he was roided the **** out. That pretty much killed him, BTW.

Shaq was SIGNIFICANTLY bigger, faster, stronger, and also he wasn't a choking mental midget like your lover.

Lets compare them, shall we:

Rookie 20 year old Shaq:

https://s17.postimg.org/pidjo4bin/bos_g_shaq92_200.jpg

Prime Chokerlain:

https://s17.postimg.org/drzm6qiq7/120314_wilt_chamberlain_600.jpg

Then, there's this:

https://s13.postimg.org/jaztbxvt3/Screen_Shot_2016_11_05_at_4_45_59_AM.png

Your roided up mental midget of a lover would probably average like 6 PPG on 30% against him.

[feyki]

I am like taller than you. And I saw your pictures. You are not only an skinny looking F@ggot, but you are a useless dug addict.

I'm not 5'8 , sorry :lol .

181 - 78 KG - %9-10 Fat Weight

I have long arms(6-4) , it's normal to not seen as bodied , like short arms have .

[Lebron23]

I'm not 5'8 , sorry :lol .

181 - 78 KG - %9-10 Fat Weight

I have long arms(6-4) , it's normal to not seen as bodied , like short arms have .


Why are you attacking me brah? I didn't insult you.

[feyki]

Why are you attacking me brah? I didn't insult you.

I don't know but probably because of being(i am) a Lebron hater . I do same things in the turkish forum too . Trolling Lebron fans :oldlol: .

If my words hurt you , i apologize .

[bobopenguin]

ppl talk about lebron like he's still a big shot. :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Kind of makes you wonder where LeQUIT would rank, doesn't it?

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/17489819/kobe-bryant-nba-best-player-michael-jordan

Kobe ROUTS Shrinkage in a RECENT poll, with some 60,000 voters.

Too bad that all the polls that matter have lebron between 2-5 and Kobe at 12th-13:roll:
Stick to public polls where fanboys get to vote for their idols:roll:

[Hoopz2332]

ppl talk about lebron like he's still a big shot. :oldlol:

u :mad: ?

[jstern]

I'd say that's pretty much spot on. 12th is nothing to sneeze at either.
Thank you. And yes, 12th is a great ranking for Kobe.