Kobe vs Lebron: at least 45% shooting against 50+ win teams in the playoffs (2000->)

[Magic 32]

Lebron: 7 series (7 out of 17 series = 41.2%)

Magic 2009 (48.7%)
Celtics 2011 (47.2%)
Mavericks 2011 (47.8%)
Pacers 2012 (50.4%)
Thunder 2012 (47.2%)
Pacers 2014 (55.9%)
Spurs 2014 (57.1%)

Kobe: 17 series (17 out of 30 = 56.7%)

Suns 2000 (45.2%)
Blazers 2001 (48.1%)
Kings 2001 (47.3%)
Spurs 2001 (51.4%)
Spurs 2002 (45.5%)
Nets 2002 (51.4%)
Spurs 2004 (46.2%)
Suns 2006 (49.7%)
Suns 2007 (46.2%)
Nuggets 2008 (50%)
Jazz 2008 (49.1%)
Spurs 2008 (53.3%)
Rockets 2009 (45.3%)
Nuggets 2009 (48.1%)
Jazz 2010 (52.3%)
Suns 2010 (52.1%)
Mavericks 2011 (45.8%)

Kobe as the 1st option 2006-2012 (10 out of 15 = 66.7%)

Suns 2006 (49.7%)
Suns 2007 (46.2%)
Nuggets 2008 (50%)
Jazz 2008 (49.1%)
Spurs 2008 (53.3%)
Rockets 2009 (45.3%)
Nuggets 2009 (48.1%)
Jazz 2010 (52.3%)
Suns 2010 (52.1%)
Mavericks 2011 (45.8%)


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[pastis]

does anyone has the video about the 2008 finals where the celtics bench consistently handicap lakers and especially kobe when shooting

[WayOfWade]

Fantastic, Kobe always was able to do great in the playoffs against great teams. Had his lulls here and there but the resum

[Ranked 12th]

At least 45% shooting in the Finals pls?

[Magic 32]

[QUOTE=WayOfWade]Fantastic, Kobe always was able to do great in the playoffs against great teams. Had his lulls here and there but the resum

[Ranked 12th]

What if we restrict it to atleast 55% shooting?

LeBron 2/17

Kobe 0/30


Anyone can play with the numbers to make them look better



Problem is if we look at vs. #1 defenses instead of 50 win teams, we see Kobe's efficiency crater






There isnt always strong correlation between wins and team defense
















So OP wants us to give Kobe credit for shooting 45% against the D'antoni Suns :roll: :roll:


https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523d58572c00a59fabfc6650/tumblr_mtzmeqC16Z1qcga5ro1_500.gif

[pastis]

I did include their total series against 50+ teams.

Lebron: 7 series (7 out of 17 series = 41.2%)
Kobe: 17 series (17 out of 30 = 56.7%)

what about Dirk nowitzki? do you have some stats?

[navy]

Post their shooting percentages in 16-6

[WayOfWade]

I did include their total series against 50+ teams.

Lebron: 7 series (7 out of 17 series = 41.2%)
Kobe: 17 series (17 out of 30 = 56.7%)

I did not include Kobe's 96-99 series, mostly because Kobe shot 50% in 98 against the 61 win Sonics (averaging 3.7 points).
Fair enough, you did play with the numbers but it was just to show how good Kobe has been able to shoot over longer periods of time. I'm always down for semi-specific stats as long as they aren't crap ESPN puts out like consecutive games with at least one corner three made in the first half (not sure they've ever done that, but you get my point), these are fine though, good work :applause:

[Magic 32]

Anyone can play with the numbers to make them look better


Oh, I thought Lebron fans saw 45% shooting as the absolute minimally acceptable efficiency for a player, and that it was embarrassing for Kobe to go under that for his career.

My bad.

[Ranked 12th]

Oh, I thought Lebron fans saw 45% shooting as the absolute minimally acceptable efficiency for a player, and that it was embarrassing for Kobe to go under that for his career?

What if we look at them vs. Top ranked defenses or against Finals opponents?



Do you realize you're basically giving Kobe the same credit for shooting 45% against D'antonis Suns, as LeBron gets for shooting 45%+ against the Pacers, Magic, Spurs :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron has faced the number 1 ranked defense 44 times in the playoffs

[Magic 32]

What if we look at them vs. Top ranked defenses or against Finals opponents?


Do you realize you're basically giving Kobe the same credit for shooting 45% against D'antonis Suns, as LeBron gets for shooting 45%+ against the Pacers, Magic, Spurs :oldlol:

Hey, I give credit to Lebron for shooting 47% against the 2011 Mavs (his most embarrassing series).

So it works both ways kiddo.

[knicksman]

What if we restrict it to atleast 55% shooting?

LeBron 2/17

Kobe 0/30


Anyone can play with the numbers to make them look better



Problem is if we look at vs. #1 defenses instead of 50 win teams, we see Kobe's efficiency crater






There isnt always strong correlation between wins and team defense
















So OP wants us to give Kobe credit for shooting 45% against the D'antoni Suns :roll: :roll:


https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523d58572c00a59fabfc6650/tumblr_mtzmeqC16Z1qcga5ro1_500.gif


Why not rings? 2/6 and 5/7

[SexSymbol]

everyone with a head on their shoulder knows Kobe had a better peak, career, longevity so far and playoff performances

[Ranked 12th]

Hey, I give credit to Lebron for shooting 47% against the 2011 Mavs (his most embarrassing series).



You did the same for Kobe's 2011 Mavs series, even though he was infinitely worse than LeBron.




I guess I'll let you believe whatever you want to, considering you're a lost cause.

[aj1987]

everyone with a head on their shoulder knows Kobe had a better peak, career, longevity so far and playoff performances
LeBron and Kobe at 31:

LeBron - 18.9 FGA
Kobe - 21.5 FGA

LeBron - 6.8 FTA
Kobe - 7.4 FTA

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.

Kobe can score in more ways, but who gives a shit? Points are points, however you get them.

While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 178
Kobe - 220

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%

[Ranked 12th]

LeBron and Kobe at 31:

LeBron - 18.9 FGA
Kobe - 21.5 FGA

LeBron - 6.8 FTA
Kobe - 7.4 FTA

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.

Kobe can score in more ways, but who gives a shit? Points are points, however you get them.

While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 178
Kobe - 220

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%

Ether

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron and Kobe at 31:

LeBron - 18.9 FGA
Kobe - 21.5 FGA

LeBron - 6.8 FTA
Kobe - 7.4 FTA

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.

Kobe can score in more ways, but who gives a shit? Points are points, however you get them.

While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 178
Kobe - 220

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%
Eth.

Er.

[Magic 32]

You did the same for Kobe's 2011 Mavs series, even though he was infinitely worse than LeBron.


Kobe vs Mavs

23.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 45.8%

Lebron vs Mavs

17.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.8 spg, 47.8%


So even ignoring any context (I'm sure you are happy about that), the idea that Lebron's series should count but Kobe's shouldn't is laughable.




I guess I'll let you believe whatever you want to, considering you're a lost cause.

This is the response of a defeated troll.

[Hey Yo]

Hey, I give credit to Lebron for shooting 47% against the 2011 Mavs (his most embarrassing series).

So it works both ways kiddo.
Even though.......James still ended up with the most WS that postseason after facing the no.1 and 2 defense just to get to the Finals, w/o HCA, against the Bulls and MVP Rose.

[Magic 32]

LeBron and Kobe at 31:

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.


You gotta love those sub 50 win teams in the east.





While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:
LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:
LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:
LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:
LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:
LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:
LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:
LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:
LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88



Same response as above.

By the way almost all of those 40/35 games in the finals were against the Warriors last year (where he shot 40%).

[Ranked 12th]

You gotta love those sub 50 win teams in the east.




Same response as above.

By the way almost all of those 40/35 games in the finals were against the Warriors last year (where he shot 40%).

Kobe's Finals average?


So what

[Magic 32]

Even though.......James still ended up with the most WS that postseason after facing the no.1 and 2 defense just to get to the Finals, w/o HCA, against the Bulls and MVP Rose.

Well he has 2 series on this list from 2011.

Never said this was about the finals only.

[Im Still Ballin]

You gotta love those sub 50 win teams in the east.




Same response as above.

By the way almost all of those 40/35 games in the finals were against the Warriors last year (where he shot 40%).
And won 2 games against a team that won 67 games and is about to break 72-10

[Magic 32]

Kobe's Finals average?


So what

Are you saying that fg% is not so important?

A Lebron fan saying that?

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Fascinating-GIF.gif?gs=a

[Magic 32]

And won 2 games against a team that won 67 games and is about to break 72-10

Well the bright lights did scare those kids at first.

But then they murdered Lebron in 4 straight.

[Ranked 12th]

Are you saying that fg% is not so important?

A Lebron fan saying that?

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Fascinating-GIF.gif?gs=a

When you're averaging 50% more points than Kobe's Finals average, while shooting the same percentage, thats not bad..







This is without going into the fact he also averaged twice as many rebounds and assists






The fact that you're trying to spin this negatively is pretty sad.

[Magic 32]

When you're averaging 50% more points than Kobe's Finals average, while shooting the same percentage, thats not bad..


This is without going into the fact he also averaged twice as many rebounds and assists

The fact that you're trying to spin this negatively is pretty sad.

This thread is about efficiency. The area where we are told that Lebron is head and shoulders above Kobe.

Why are you crying about the Warriors series when it has nothing to do with the subject of the thread?

[Hey Yo]

Well he has 2 series on this list from 2011.

Never said this was about the finals only.
Just shows he played ungodly in the first 3 series against the top 2 D's in the league, in order to still get the most WS in his so called most embarrassing series..... considering Dirk, Chandler and Kidd lead the postseason in pts, TRB and assists.

[Magic 32]

Just shows he played ungodly in the first 3 series against the top 2 D's in the league, in order to still get the most WS in his so called most embarrassing series..... considering Dirk, Chandler and Kidd lead the postseason in pts, TRB and assists.

Still waiting on the reason why this makes the list invalid or problematic.

All 3 series are included on the list.

[Ranked 12th]

This thread is about efficiency. The area where we are told that Lebron is head and shoulders above Kobe.

Why are you crying about the Warriors series when it has nothing to do with the subject of the thread?

Ok fine, post LeBron and Kobe's Finals fg%

[Hey Yo]

Still waiting on the reason why this makes the list invalid or problematic.

All 3 series are included on the list.
Guess that Finals wasn't so embarrassing after all, huh?

[Magic 32]

Ok fine, post LeBron and Kobe's Finals fg%

Surely a Lebron fan would want the biggest possible sample against quality teams, no?

Why be so scared of the eastern conference? You know Kobe faced the better teams out west. Surely Lebron would have the advantage when including the entire playoffs.

[Magic 32]

Guess that Finals wasn't so embarrassing after all, huh?

Oh I think they were. He just shot 47%.

[Ranked 12th]

Surely a Lebron fan would want the biggest possible sample against quality teams, no?

Why be so scared of the eastern conference? You know Kobe faced the better teams out west. Surely Lebron would have the advantage when including the entire playoffs.

The best defenses have historically came from the East

[Hey Yo]

Surely a Lebron fan would want the biggest possible sample against quality teams, no?

Why be so scared of the eastern conference? You know Kobe faced the better teams out west. Surely Lebron would have the advantage when including the entire playoffs.
When Shaq was there and then again when Pau showed up.

[Magic 32]

The best defenses have historically came from the East

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[Magic 32]

When Shaq was there and then again when Pau showed up.

Oh you guys really are throwing everyhting at the wall right now.

How about this. Admit that Lebron's and Kobe's efficiency is very similar against top teams in the postseason.

Or did I just make you feel ill right now?

[Hey Yo]

Oh you guys really are throwing everyhting at the wall right now.

How about this. Admit that Lebron's and Kobe's efficiency is very similar against top teams in the postseason.

Or did I just make you feel ill right now?
When you're not the main focal point of the opposing defense, it makes a big difference.

[IllegalD]

When you're not the main focal point of the opposing defense, it makes a big difference.

Pau was the main focal point of opposing defenses...? :wtf:


https://youtu.be/c5bWkpRsL4I

https://youtu.be/HVTMjxpKElY

https://youtu.be/i2bXZKJ9isg

https://youtu.be/pnvOelIhYeQ

[Magic 32]

When you're not the main focal point of the opposing defense, it makes a big difference.

Kobe's procentages are even better if you exclude his time with Shaq.

Kobe 2006-2012: 10 series (10 out of 15 = 66.7%)

Suns 2006 (49.7%)
Suns 2007 (46.2%)
Nuggets 2008 (50%)
Jazz 2008 (49.1%)
Spurs 2008 (53.3%)
Rockets 2009 (45.3%)
Nuggets 2009 (48.1%)
Jazz 2010 (52.3%)
Suns 2010 (52.1%)
Mavericks 2011 (45.8%)

[Ranked 12th]

Kobe's procentages are even better if you exclude his time with Shaq.

Kobe 2006-2012: 10 series (10 out of 15 = 66.7%)

Suns 2006 (49.7%)
Suns 2007 (46.2%)
Nuggets 2008 (50%)
Jazz 2008 (49.1%)
Spurs 2008 (53.3%)
Rockets 2009 (45.3%)
Nuggets 2009 (48.1%)
Jazz 2010 (52.3%)
Suns 2010 (52.1%)
Mavericks 2011 (45.8%)

I don't see any Finals opponents there :confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

I don't see any Finals opponents there :confusedshrug:

There you go again with the finals.

Still not happy about applying these criteria to the entire postseason?

What a strange thing for a stan of someone who is so CLEARLY more efficient than pathetic little Kobe Bryant.

So very peculiar.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe's procentages are even better if you exclude his time with Shaq.

Kobe 2006-2012: 10 series (10 out of 15 = 66.7%)

Suns 2006 (49.7%)
Suns 2007 (46.2%)
Nuggets 2008 (50%)
Jazz 2008 (49.1%)
Spurs 2008 (53.3%)
Rockets 2009 (45.3%)
Nuggets 2009 (48.1%)
Jazz 2010 (52.3%)
Suns 2010 (52.1%)
Mavericks 2011 (45.8%)
Reg. season Defensive rank.

Suns 28th
23rd
29th
13th
3rd
Rockets 7th
19th
12th
26th
Dallas 10th

[IllegalD]

Reg. season Defensive rank.

Suns 28th
23rd
29th
13th
3rd
Rockets 7th
19th
12th
26th
Dallas 10th


Reaching.

Just accept the ether and move on. :lol

[Magic 32]

Reg. season Defensive rank.

Suns 28th
23rd
29th
13th
3rd
Rockets 7th
19th
12th
26th
Dallas 10th

Oh I thought it was Lebron fans who said that you can't control who you face in playoffs.

Anyway, should we go on and talk about pace as well?

Or maybe look at Kobe's numbers against those scary defensive teams that Lebron shot +45% against?

Magic 2009 - 43% in the finals
Celtics 2011 – 55.5% in the regular season
Mavericks 2011 - 45.8 in the WCSF
Pacers 2012 - 46.7% in the regular season
Thunder 2012 - 42.5% in the WCSF
Pacers 2014 Never played them
Spurs 2014 Never played them

[Overdrive]

LeBron and Kobe at 31:

LeBron - 18.9 FGA
Kobe - 21.5 FGA

LeBron - 6.8 FTA
Kobe - 7.4 FTA

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.

Kobe can score in more ways, but who gives a shit? Points are points, however you get them.

While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 178
Kobe - 220

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%

Pretty similar numbers yet Lebron stans buy the ESPN crap of Lebron being top 3 and Kobe 12th. They're both in the 8-12 range. 5 extra % and 3.8 apg don't warrant that when looking at career trajectory. Especially with Lebron's twilight years lying ahead.

[knicksman]

LeBron and Kobe at 31:

LeBron - 18.9 FGA
Kobe - 21.5 FGA

LeBron - 6.8 FTA
Kobe - 7.4 FTA

So, Kobe basically took 2.5 shots and a FT more than LeBron and managed only 2 points more on 3% worse efficiency, while being a worse playmaker.

Kobe can score in more ways, but who gives a shit? Points are points, however you get them.

While we're at it:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 35
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 80
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 178
Kobe - 220

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%


Dumbass lebron stans logic, layup=jumpshot. Lol. Theres a reason why you guys are losers coz you dont know shit

[zeerghit]

Dumbass lebron stans logic, layup=jumpshot. Lol. Theres a reason why you guys are losers coz you dont know shit

who fu*king cares how u score the points? layup = 2pts jumpshot = 2pts, and u was taking about IQ, ur iq below dumbest dog.

[feyki]

Nice thread . But you should use TS .

[knicksman]

who fu*king cares how u score the points? layup = 2pts jumpshot = 2pts, and u was taking about IQ, ur iq below dumbest dog.

Lol bro. Theres a reason why kobe constantly destroys spurs and is 5/7 while bran is 2/6 with his skills. And thats because kobe can shoot while bran cant.

Thats what you call eye test. A test that only be done by high iqs. Theres a reason why youre a bran stan coz you can only analyze based on stats. You cant analyze skills/context coz your brain might explode due to lack of iq.

[Ranked 12th]

Lol bro. Theres a reason why kobe constantly destroys spurs and is 5/7 while bran is 2/6 with his skills. And thats because kobe can shoot while bran cant.

Thats what you call eye test. A test that only be done by high iqs. Theres a reason why youre a bran stan coz you can only analyze based on stats. You cant analyze skills/context coz your brain might explode due to lack of iq.

Meltdown :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

What if we restrict it to atleast 55% shooting?

LeBron 2/17

Kobe 0/30


Anyone can play with the numbers to make them look better



Problem is if we look at vs. #1 defenses instead of 50 win teams, we see Kobe's efficiency crater






There isnt always strong correlation between wins and team defense
















So OP wants us to give Kobe credit for shooting 45% against the D'antoni Suns :roll: :roll:


https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523d58572c00a59fabfc6650/tumblr_mtzmeqC16Z1qcga5ro1_500.gif



GREAT POST

[NBASTATMAN]

WADE'S EFFICIENCY VS TOP DEFENSIVE TEAMS IS MUCH BETTER THAN LEBRON OR KOBE

/END THREAD :bowdown: :applause: :rockon:

[PsychoBe]

WADE'S EFFICIENCY VS TOP DEFENSIVE TEAMS IS MUCH BETTER THAN LEBRON OR KOBE

/END THREAD :bowdown: :applause: :rockon:

and yet bran lost in the finals twice with this very same player

exposed :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

GREAT POST

Too bad the GREAT POST can't address the fact that Lebron is almost never minimally efficent against teh same quality teams.

Instead you guys scream about defensive ratings of the west and 55% shooting (2/17 for Lebron).

Oh man :roll:

[riseagainst]

Kobe has as many series win as series Lebron played in.

:eek:

:bowdown:

[Zach LaVine]

Why is this thread from 2000 on? What are we trying to overlook by not looking at the beginning of Kobe's career? Both came straight out of high school, so this is a rare time we could look at them overall without saying "but he came into the league after high school."

[Magic 32]

Why is this thread from 2000 on? What are we trying to overlook by not looking at the beginning of Kobe's career? Both came straight out of high school, so this is a rare time we could look at them overall without saying "but he came into the league after high school."

I said on page one that it would be unfair going both ways. If I included 98, for example, then Lebron stans would no doubt whine about this being included...

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dcg07l.jpg

[riseagainst]

I said on page one that it would be unfair going both ways. If I included 98, for example, then Lebron stans would whine about this...

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dcg07l.jpg


it's over 50% FG doe!

:bowdown:

[Zach LaVine]

I said on page one that it would be unfair going both ways. If I included 98, for example, then Lebron stans would no doubt whine about this being included...

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dcg07l.jpg
I guess I don't see the problem with that either way. No reason to protect the whiners. Facts are facts. I say if we are looking at full career, let's look at full careers.

[Wade's Rings]

WADE'S EFFICIENCY VS TOP DEFENSIVE TEAMS IS MUCH BETTER THAN LEBRON OR KOBE

/END THREAD :bowdown: :applause: :rockon:

:applause: :applause: