California's KKK Grand Dragon endorses Hillary Clinton

[HitandRun Reggie]

The Grand Dragon of one of the nation's largest KKK chapters, and head of California operations, has endorsed Hillary Clinton. The KKK has always been strong union supporters, so this isn't a surprise.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/14/kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillarys-hidden-agenda/

[Nick Young]

What will CNN say!:eek:

O wait, that's right, nothing.:lol

[Brujesino]

Grand Dragon is a sweet title.

[Terahite]

The Grand Dragon of one of the nation's largest KKK chapters, and head of California operations, has endorsed Hillary Clinton. The KKK has always been strong union supporters, so this isn't a surprise.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/14/kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-hillarys-hidden-agenda/

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Thank you GOD for this great news. :lol :lol :lol

[Sarcastic]

Seems like a ploy to get people to stop associating Trump with the Klan.

[UK2K]

I guess she's racist now?

Nah, she's only racist if the media tells people to believe she's racist.

Damn America is so ignorant.

[Akrazotile]

Seems like a ploy to get people to stop associating Trump with the Klan.


Hell no.

The Klan simply recognizes that Hillary is the most racist person for the job. :applause:

[Nick Young]

The KKK, an organization created by the Democratic party, is endorsing the Democratic frontrunner candidate who is on record saying that she wants to bring black people "to heel".

No surprises here.

[imdaman99]

Seems like a ploy to get people to stop associating Trump with the Klan.
This

Trump's buddies sent to smear Hillary. How low will this guy go :facepalm

[UK2K]

This

Trump's buddies sent to smear Hillary. How low will this guy go :facepalm

Hillary has said racist things.

Trump on the other hand, has not.

So no shit the KKK will endorse her.

[bladefd]

Hillary has said racist things.

Trump on the other hand, has not.

So no shit the KKK will endorse her.

:facepalm :facepalm

[NumberSix]

Did she disavow?

[Terahite]

Did she disavow?

She'd have to be questioned on it first. :facepalm

[NumberSix]

:facepalm :facepalm
He hasn't. All he said was deport illegals which dishonest people tried to turn into "trump hates Latinos"

[UK2K]

:facepalm :facepalm

Do I need to bring up the 'show me proof Trump has said racist things' thread?

Cause I didn't see anything racist. I saw things he said that you can twist to make them look racist, but I've never heard him say we need to bring blacks to heel.

"A few years ago, this guy (Obama) would have been getting us coffee." Pretty racist, right? Yes, it is. I will say you agree, because you do, even if you won't say it.

Now, who made that remark? It wasn't Trump. I'll give you a hint... the person who uttered that quote is married to the person endorsed by the KKK Grand Wizard today. Ironic right?

Can you guess it now?

[TheSilentKiller]

He hasn't. All he said was deport illegals which dishonest people tried to turn into "trump hates Latinos"
"believe me, i've talked to the people down there (at the border) and they (mexico) are only sending the bad ones, the rapists and the murderers"

[TheSilentKiller]

This wasn't a big deal when it happened to Trump and it shouldn't be a big deal now

[Dresta]

Seems like a ploy to get people to stop associating Trump with the Klan.
Oh sure, this is a ploy :rolleyes:.

You just can't accept that all the disavowal shit was plain bullshit, and that Democrats never seem to have to disavow anyone, whereas someone like Trump is hit with the same question over and over and over again (something that really is a ploy btw, because it subconsciously associates Trump with the KKK in weak-minded people).

How many times should someone have to disavow a person they've never met and spoken to? Were you calling that a "ploy"--if not, then you're simply a despicable hypocrite.

[NumberSix]

This wasn't a big deal when it happened to Trump and it shouldn't be a big deal now
:coleman:

[TheSilentKiller]

:coleman:
*to rational people

[Sarcastic]

Hell no.

The Klan simply recognizes that Hillary is the most racist person for the job. :applause:

If you actually read the article, he said he was doing it because he thinks she has a hidden agenda, and not because of anything she's actually said or stands for.

He's batshit crazy and it's just a ruse to obfuscate the Klan's real support for Trump.

[NumberSix]

If you actually read the article, he said he was doing it because he thinks she has a hidden agenda, and not because of anything she's actually said or stands for.

He's batshit crazy and it's just a ruse to obfuscate the Klan's real support for Trump.
Probably thinks she's a secret anti-Semite because she's trashed Bernie.

[Dresta]

*to rational people
Most voters aren't that though, and it ran as a headline on CNN for days :lol

[Trollsmasher]

Hillary's lifetme friend was Robert Byrd. Not surprising.

[Sarcastic]

Probably thinks she's a secret anti-Semite because she's trashed Bernie.

Because there's so much in her history to believe she has a hidden agenda that aligns with the KKK. :rolleyes:

[Dresta]

Hillary's lifetme friend was Robert Byrd. Not surprising.
Nah, that's just another "ploy"


:hammerhead:


Theses politico-religious fanatics are too much.

[UK2K]

Hillary's lifetme friend was Robert Byrd. Not surprising.

She's married to an old white dude who probably says ni**er around the house.

HIS quotes are clearly of a racist nature. But, oh well right Democrats?

[NumberSix]

Because there's so much in her history to believe she has a hidden agenda that aligns with the KKK. :rolleyes:
The Clintons actually did have a lot of old school KKK political connections back in Bill's governor of Arkansas days. Bill used a lot of confederate imagery in his campaigns back in the day.

[nathanjizzle]

he switched his support to her from Republican candidate Donald Trump because he likes her “hidden agenda.”


you guys are so gullible. stay being sheep.

[Nick Young]

:facepalm :facepalm
Do you have any quotes from Donald Trump saying something racist?

Sources?

Links?

Facts?

Anything to support your emotion-based attempts at character assassination?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

He hasn't. All he said was deport illegals which dishonest people tried to turn into "trump hates Latinos"
illegal immigrants and legal immigrants are exactly the same.

Borders don't exist.

Immigration laws don't exist.

Visa laws don't exist.

We are one.

[Dresta]

The Clintons actually did have a lot of old school KKK political connections back in Bill's governor of Arkansas days. Bill used a lot of confederate imagery in his campaigns back in the day.
And was a member of an all-white country club: just another "ploy" I suppose, a fabrication created by the truly "racist" right-wing.

Why are racists always called right-wing anyway? Many of them aren't, Tom Metzger, for example. Parties like the BNP were always described as being "far-right" when welfare state policies were a major part of their political doctrines.

Just another example of the demonisation of anything conservative.

[NumberSix]

And was a member of an all-white country club: just another "ploy" I suppose, a fabrication created by the truly "racist" right-wing.

Why are racists always called right-wing anyway? Many of them aren't, Tom Metzger, for example. Parties like the BNP were always described as being "far-right" when welfare state policies were a major part of their political doctrines.

Just another example of the demonisation of anything conservative.
You'll notice that in Europe most of these so-called "far right" parties are socialist.

[Dresta]

You'll notice that in Europe most of these so-called "far right" parties are socialist.
I think in the leftist lexicon racist or nativist = right wing :oldlol:

Facts be damned!

[warriorfan]

This

Trump's buddies sent to smear Hillary. How low will this guy go :facepalm

This.

If anyone wasn't able to see this for what it really was then wow, feel kinda bad for you. :oldlol:

[Dresta]

This.

If anyone wasn't able to see this for what it really was then wow, feel kinda bad for you. :oldlol:
Oh yes, because that piece of human filth and Clinton funder George Soros hasn't been funding the groups that are stirring up agitation at Trump rallies.

But don't worry, everyone on here feels bad for you. I know you may have watched Forest Gump and seen it as an inspiration that gave you the hope you could make something of yourself, but those of us who aren't Gump level retarded, are aware that this is Hollywood mythology, and that people of your IQ level are doomed to endure tedious lives of miserable incompetence.

[Zach LaVine]

What will CNN say!:eek:

O wait, that's right, nothing.:lol
Probably because once somebody asks her about her opinion, she'll denounce him rather than have to think about it.

[~primetime~]

Wasn't Trump actually retweeting KKK leaders?

that's a lot different than just having one back you...

but yeah, let's pretend it's all equal and a CNN conspiracy to hide the Clinton stuff...

[Dresta]

Wasn't Trump actually retweeting KKK leaders?

that's a lot different than just having one back you...

but yeah, let's pretend it's all equal and a CNN conspiracy to hide the Clinton stuff...
I don't believe so: I think it was just that he retweeted a bunch of people who followed a white supremacist or two on twitter. After looking, the only thing I could find is this:

http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/22114418/Screen-Shot-2016-01-22-at-11.43.37-AM.png
And what is wrong with retweeting that exactly: it's funny. If he was retweeting racist comments, it would be different, but he isn't.

Also, this isn't a "conspiracy" but it is rather underhand tactics:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-retweets-mussolini-quote-as-he-faces-criticism-over-ku-klux-klan-comments/news-story/5703fa91ab30c437839e033098f7a221

Not to mention disingenuous, considering Mussolini had a lot of American fans when he was saying those things, including FDR.

And it's not a conspiracy to notice that Hilary Clinton's mishaps are rarely reported on, and most of them are never mentioned, whereas every tiny thing done by Trump is a headline for days. That is disproportionate, and it is shamefaced electioneering from mainstream media outlets, who like to pretend they're "objective"--but the US media has always been an embarrassment.

[poido123]

Oh yes, because that piece of human filth and Clinton funder George Soros hasn't been funding the groups that are stirring up agitation at Trump rallies.

But don't worry, everyone on here feels bad for you. I know you may have watched Forest Gump and seen it as an inspiration that gave you the hope you could make something of yourself, but those of us who aren't Gump level retarded, are aware that this is Hollywood mythology, and that people of your IQ level are doomed to endure tedious lives of miserable incompetence.


:roll:

[warriorfan]

Oh yes, because that piece of human filth and Clinton funder George Soros hasn't been funding the groups that are stirring up agitation at Trump rallies.

But don't worry, everyone on here feels bad for you. I know you may have watched Forest Gump and seen it as an inspiration that gave you the hope you could make something of yourself, but those of us who aren't Gump level retarded, are aware that this is Hollywood mythology, and that people of your IQ level are doomed to endure tedious lives of miserable incompetence.

Dresta going on an agitated and anger fueled tangent...what's new?

Get some help buddy, you need it.

[HitandRun Reggie]

But don't worry, everyone on here feels bad for you. I know you may have watched Forest Gump and seen it as an inspiration that gave you the hope you could make something of yourself, but those of us who aren't Gump level retarded, are aware that this is Hollywood mythology, and that people of your IQ level are doomed to endure tedious lives of miserable incompetence.

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[Nick Young]

This.

If anyone wasn't able to see this for what it really was then wow, feel kinda bad for you. :oldlol:
the cognitive dissonance is unbelievable.:lol

[~primetime~]

He retweeted @WhiteGenocide

Brilliant

[Akrazotile]

He retweeted @WhiteGenocide

Brilliant


So what?

Someone tweeted a funny picture. Do we need to do thorough background checks on every person to make sure all their opinions conform to the standards of political correctness before we can ackwnoledge them?

The user obviously has a certain opinion on social/racial issues. Trump has nothing to do with that. He simply retweeted a picture.


This where we wanna go?

http://img04.deviantart.net/a5c0/i/2015/119/d/9/1984_ingsoc_thoughtcrime_print_by_libertymaniacs-d3j27ei.png

[~primetime~]

If you're running for President of the United States it is poor judgement to retweet someone named WhiteGenocide as though that's who's opinions you share.

[Nick Young]

If you're running for President of the United States it is poor judgement to retweet someone named WhiteGenocide as though that's who's opinions you share.
Do you think Trump runs his own twitter account? He can't control when dumb social media interns make mistakes.:hammerhead:

[Akrazotile]

If you're running for President of the United States it is poor judgement to retweet someone named WhiteGenocide as though that's who's opinions you share.


That's the whole point of Donald Trump's candidacy - To spotlight all this pretension and politically correct garbage.

So what if he retweeted that? It doens't ACTUALLY matter. People are allowed to have opinions. A blatant white racist is no less of a citizen than anyone else. A public servant (or hopeful) does not have to shun/ignore/shame him in order to disagree with him. People are allowed to have opinions. People are allowed to communicate with others who have different opinions.

The loonies on the left who play the race card any time a republican moves have been incredible exposed by The Donald. This whole thing has put an immense spotlight on the absurdity, hypocrisy, and lunacy of the left wing mobthink witch hunters. These people have no brains. They're literally cliche-bleeting, automated robots. They're mindless. And their obsession with Donald Trump has basically exposed all of it.

THANK YOU BASED TRUMP.

[Dresta]

He retweeted @WhiteGenocide

Brilliant
So Username handles are important now? It doesn't matter what he retweets, but who it came from? Come on, it's completely irrelevant, and nothing like being a member of an all-white country club and a well-known sex offender (when is Hilary gonna have to "disavow her husband exactly?). The incredible pettiness of people when it comes to Donald Trump is amazing.

[Nick Young]

He retweeted @WhiteGenocide

Brilliant

Hillary called black kids "Superpredators" and said we need to "bring them to heel". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg)

Brilliant.

[oh the horror]

Primetime I don't know why you're debating with these dudes. At this point just chalk up their perspective as either immaturity or a mental illness and walk away.

[Nick Young]

Primetime I don't know why you're debating with these dudes. At this point just chalk up their perspective as either immaturity or a mental illness and walk away.
How do you feel about Clinton calling black kids superpredators that need to be brought to heel?


What would you do if video of Trump came out where he said the same words Clinton said?:confusedshrug:

Why has the democratic party nominated a self-confessed race bigot with KKK endorsement to be their frontrunner?

[~primetime~]

That's the whole point of Donald Trump's candidacy - To spotlight all this pretension and politically correct garbage.

So what if he retweeted that? It doens't ACTUALLY matter. People are allowed to have opinions. A blatant white racist is no less of a citizen than anyone else. A public servant (or hopeful) does not have to shun/ignore/shame him in order to disagree with him. People are allowed to have opinions. People are allowed to communicate with others who have different opinions.

The loonies on the left who play the race card any time a republican moves have been incredible exposed by The Donald. This whole thing has put an immense spotlight on the absurdity, hypocrisy, and lunacy of the left wing mobthink witch hunters. These people have no brains. They're literally cliche-bleeting, automated robots. They're mindless. And their obsession with Donald Trump has basically exposed all of it.

THANK YOU BASED TRUMP.

Retweeting WhiteGenocide doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but it shows bad judgment on his part, poor decision making, acting without thinking, etc etc

And thats how he goes about everything, blurting ideas out without thinking them through. "Ban all Muslims!" I'll worry about the logistics of it later! "


The guy is reality star jack ass, he is not fit to be President and it's embarrassing that he has gotten as far as he has on "ban Muslims and build a wall"

He may very well be the worst presidential candidate in the history of this country. There are 500+ billionaires in the US, and I bet he is the least qualified of all of them to run this country, I'd vote for Mark Cuban over Trump.

[Akrazotile]

Retweeting WhiteGenocide doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but it shows bad judgment on his part, poor decision making, acting without thinking, etc etc

And thats how he goes about everything, blurting ideas out without thinking them through. "Ban all Muslims!" I'll worry about the logistics of it later! "


Ok, so you agree it's not bad on principle.

But you think it's bad judgement, bad political 'calculating.'

Yet he's the frontrunner for the Republican nomination with a wider margin than ever.


So if it's not wrong on principle to retweet a picture sent by someone with different views, AND it hasn't hurt his political campaign...

What exactly is the issue?

You are just making a case based on what you're indoctrinated to think is supposed to be socially unacceptable. Taking a closer look, it really doesn't matter at all. And there's no reason to have a problem with it. It's not wrong to acknowledge someone's opinion regardless of who they are, and it hasn't hurt him in terms of his own strategy.

So what's the issue?

[Nick Young]

Ok, so you agree it's not bad on principle.

But you think it's bad judgement, bad political 'calculating.'

Yet he's the frontrunner for the Republican nomination with a wider margin than ever.


So if it's not wrong to retweet the opinion of someone on principle, AND it hasn't hurt his political campaign...

What exactly is the issue?

You are just making a case based on what you're indoctrinated to think is supposed to be socially unacceptable. Taking a closer look, it really doesn't matter at all. It's not wrong to acknowledge someone's opinion regardless of who they are, and it hasn't hurt him in terms of his own strategy.

So what's the issue?
Trump is too radical and progressive for the common Democratic or Republican voter to handle and understand.

They aren't able to recognize that the politics game has changed. What worked in 2008 is not as effective in 2016.

Dems and Repubs are both out of touch with the people and the times.

[Terahite]

Retweeting WhiteGenocide doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but it shows bad judgment on his part, poor decision making, acting without thinking, etc etc

And thats how he goes about everything, blurting ideas out without thinking them through. "Ban all Muslims!" I'll worry about the logistics of it later! "


The guy is reality star jack ass, he is not fit to be President and it's embarrassing that he has gotten as far as he has on "ban Muslims and build a wall"

He may very well be the worst presidential candidate in the history of this country. There are 500+ billionaires in the US, and I bet he is the least qualified of all of them to run this country, I'd vote for Mark Cuban over Trump.

You sound like a 6th grade girl's classroom diary here. :facepalm

The entire Middle East is in flames due to our totalitarian liberal/neocon oligarchs and you're talking about Donald Trump's Twitter being "in poor taste". :biggums:

[Nick Young]

You sound like a 6th grade girl's class diary here. :facepalm

Libya and Syria are in flames due to your libtard/neocon overlords and you're talking about Donald Trump's Twitter being "in poor taste". :biggums:
Not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Akrazotile]

Trump is too radical and progressive for the common Democratic or Republican voter to handle and understand.

They aren't able to recognize that the politics game has changed. What worked in 2008 is not as effective in 2016.

Dems and Repubs are both out of touch with the people and the times.


People can't handle the challenge Trump presents to thought processes they're comfortable and complacent with.

They want him to go away so they don't have to think or examine anything.

"It's racist, he's racist, omg racist" is all they know. It's all they wanna know.

[Akrazotile]

You sound like a 6th grade girl's classroom diary here. :facepalm

The entire Middle East is in flames due to our totalitarian liberal/neocon oligarchs and you're talking about Donald Trump's Twitter being "in poor taste". :biggums:


It's the Coriolanus effect.

People don't really care about issues and details. They care about feelings.

That's why we usually just get identical political hacks running against each other from opposite parties, because that's who will take big special interest dollars and say anything necessary to appease the populace's fragile, needy psyche's into voting for them.

Apparently, though, and finally, a number of people have had enough.

[~primetime~]

You sound like a 6th grade girl's classroom diary here. :facepalm

The entire Middle East is in flames due to our totalitarian liberal/neocon oligarchs and you're talking about Donald Trump's Twitter being "in poor taste". :biggums:
Maybe you should tell the OP about Middle East... Or post in a thread about that.

[~primetime~]

Lol, what are Trump's solutions to the Middle East exactly? Maybe he can ban Muslims there, or build a wall or something, sounds like a good idea.

[Terahite]

Primetime I don't know why you're debating with these dudes. At this point just chalk up their perspective as either immaturity or a mental illness and walk away.

You're a ***** who can't even argue with your opponents. We get it. Stop making post after post about your pathetic insecurities. :rolleyes:

[Akrazotile]

Maybe you should tell the OP about Middle East... Or post in a thread about that.


prime, come on man. Get on the Trump Train! You're a reasonable dude. See the light my brother!

[Akrazotile]

Lol, what are Trump's solutions to the Middle East exactly? Maybe he can ban Muslims there, or build a wall or something, sounds like a good idea.



The first step is for citizens to have an open and REALISTIC dialogue about what the options are for creating an atmosphere in the middle east that is not a threat to America.

Right now the current policy for the middle east is "Do whatever will justify giving American defense contractors and weapons manufacturers a big chunk of taxpayer money."

That was Bush's policy. That was Obama's policy.

Trump's can't be any worse.

[Nick Young]

Lol, what are Trump's solutions to the Middle East exactly? Maybe he can ban Muslims there, or build a wall or something, sounds like a good idea.
He wants to try to make peace in the middle east and stop sending our troops there, and negotiate with people.

Do you not even watch the debates?

Do you even follow politics?:facepalm

[~primetime~]

prime, come on man. Get on the Trump Train! You're a reasonable dude. See the light my brother!
Your on the wrong train.

I get your anti-liberal movement, I really do... But using Trump as your center piece to that crusade is a very bad idea. You're going to come out on the losing side.

[Nick Young]

Your on the wrong train.

I get your anti-liberal movement, I really do... But using Trump as your center piece to that crusade is a very bad idea. You're going to come out on the losing side.
Say hello to your average Hilldawg voter :applause:

[~primetime~]

Say hello to my tablets spell check...:rolleyes:

[Akrazotile]

Your on the wrong train.

I get your anti-liberal movement, I really do... But using Trump as your center piece to that crusade is a very bad idea. You're going to come out on the losing side.


It's not about believing Trump has all the answers and giving him a carte blanche. It's about changing the dynamics of American politics-as-usual. That's what all the support for him is about. He's the only candidate who presents that type of an option.

Everyone else will just be more of the same PC pandering, deceit, and closed-door corruption.

There are not any better major candidates left. Trump is actually the best option. What that says about our political system is a different discussion. But practically speaking, he's actually the best option.

[~primetime~]

The other candidates are also on the extreme side though... Things will be changing

[Nick Young]

Jim Webb was the best option, but his idiotic party threw him under the bus, choosing instead to favor establishment shill Clintonbot 3000.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qnMXtmqEp5o/R-hUXzLfkyI/AAAAAAAAANs/6WIfU-TUec0/s200/hillary-terminator.jpg

[Akrazotile]

The other candidates are also on the extreme side though... Things will be changing


Whom would you prefer to see win the election of the major candidates still in the race?

[Nick Young]

The other candidates are also on the extreme side though... Things will be changing
Not even remotely dude:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[~primetime~]

Whom would you prefer to see win the election of the major candidates still in the race?
Hilldawg

She is the most reasonable and realistic.

She is most fit to run this country... She actually has a clue, and I guess the KKK now understands that as well, good for them.

[Akrazotile]

Hilldawg

She is the most reasonable and realistic.

She is most fit to run this country... She actually has a clue, and I guess the KKK now understands that as well, good for them.


Well she's pro war. She voted against auditing the Federal Reserve (along with most Dems, Bernie one of the few who supported it). She's willing to buy poor peoples votes with welfare and keep them ignorant and needy. Similarly inflate government-worker union salaries and pensions to ensure their allegiance.

She is basically a hired gun for special interests. She is the antithesis of what is beneficial for the American middle class.

[~primetime~]

If she actually follows through with her plans to eliminate a large portion of college debt using money from the elite rich, it would be an enormous boost to the middle class.

I think we would see the greatest economic time in decades.

[~primetime~]

You would think that a young base of college aged males would also be interested in free college...

[Akrazotile]

If she actually follows through with her plans to eliminate a large portion of college debt using money from the elite rich, it would be an enormous boost to the middle class.

I think we would see the greatest economic time in decades.


Hillary has big banks in her pocket. She is Mrs Wall Street.

Of course shes gonna make sure they get paid all that loan money back with tax payer money from other rich people that didnt vote for her, rather than the people who borrowed it and may not be able to pay now, leaving big banks at a loss. Win for her corporate backers, win for people who want free stuff. Loss for third party businesses who have people to employ that had nothing to do with those loans.

Thats a horrible precedent. She has no principles. She just does whatever someone who can come up with the most money pays her to do. That's not a good thing in the long run, even if arbitrarily redistributing one person's debt onto someone else seems like a nice thing to do now.

[~primetime~]

If the middle class can rid themselves of college debt that's holding them down from doing anything, then I'm not sure I even give a shit what's going on with her corporate backers.

[Akrazotile]

I will tell you what tho. How about a compromise?

Because the increase of immigration to this country in the last few decades has made the people at the top very rich. Even as many Americans opposed the immigration, they purposely let it happen and it inflated their wealth.

How about an extra 10% tax on everyone making over $750,000, until we get legitimate reform that discourages illegal immigration? The money will be evenly disbursed to ALL American citizens as a check, and those who have debt can use it for that if they wish?


The rich have made a ton of money off illegal immigration, and everyday Americans have had to bear the burden of inflated health costs, safety concerns, etc.

So Im ok with redistrubuting some of THAT money back to all US citizens.

[~primetime~]

I will tell you what tho. How about a compromise?

Because the increase of immigration to this country in the last few decades has made the people at the top very rich. Even as many Americans opposed the immigration, they purposely let it happen and it inflated their wealth.

How about an extra 10% tax on everyone making over $750,000, until we get legitimate reform that discourages illegal immigration? The money will be evenly disbursed to ALL American citizens as a check, and those who have debt can use it for that if they wish?


The rich have made a ton of money off illegal immigration, and everyday Americans have had to bear the burden of inflated health costs, safety concerns, etc.

So Im ok with redistrubuting some of THAT money back to all US citizens.
I like Hillarys plan better, but that's not bad... Seems unrealistic though, 10% of that groups money would be an enormous check to everyone... They have all the money

[Akrazotile]

I like Hillarys plan better, but that's not bad... Seems unrealistic though, 10% of that groups money would be an enormous check to everyone... They have all the money

It wouldn't be 10% of their worth. Just 10% of their income (salary and investment interest) each year until we get serious immigration laws passed.

Wouldn't apply to corporations, as that could encourage layoffs. Simply individuals who make 750,000 or more. They've reaped massive benefits from the immigration influx, disproportionate to everyone else.

That way we aren't just taking from innocent tax payers in order to pay off banks and absolve kids who took bad loans. How is that fair?

Send every US citizen a 'stimulus' check for an equal amount using the immigration tax, and let whomever needs to put it toward a loan payment do so.

Seems fair to me.

[bladefd]

Would need to see the numbers and potential impacts of such a move. In concept it makes sense but for practical sake, impacts would need to be considered.

[Nick Young]

It wouldn't be 10% of their worth. Just 10% of their income (salary and investment interest) each year until we get serious immigration laws passed.

Wouldn't apply to corporations, as that could encourage layoffs. Simply individuals who make 750,000 or more. They've reaped massive benefits from the immigration influx, disproportionate to everyone else.

That way we aren't just taking from innocent tax payers in order to pay off banks and absolve kids who took bad loans. How is that fair?

Send every US citizen a 'stimulus' check for an equal amount using the immigration tax, and let whomever needs to put it toward a loan payment do so.

Seems fair to me.
If you tax rich people too much, they will leave the country and take their money with them.

Successful people should not be penalized for being successful and succeeding in the system presented to them.

[Akrazotile]

If you tax rich people too much, they will leave the country and take their money with them.

Successful people should not be penalized for being successful and succeeding in the system presented to them.


It's not a tax on businesses, just on individuals. For instance Roger Goodell made 40 million dollars last year. He cant leave the country and still make that money. So he has no choice but to pay it.

It's easy for people to move their businesses overseas. Most rich people arent gonna relocate themselves personally over an extra 10%.

Especially when they could simply support immigration restriction instead and end the tax.

[poido123]

If the middle class can rid themselves of college debt that's holding them down from doing anything, then I'm not sure I even give a shit what's going on with her corporate backers.



Never mind the people she will kill when she goes on her war rampage.


Bu, bu, bu free college yo!

[ALBballer]

If the middle class can rid themselves of college debt that's holding them down from doing anything, then I'm not sure I even give a shit what's going on with her corporate backers.

How about we get rid of the Federal Government in the backing of student loans and student aid that are directly correlated with the increase in student tuition? In the very least the the federal government can give those monies, grants etc to states that can use them to fund public schools instead? Or maybe put the schools on the hook for these student loans somehow?

Or how about people take personal responsibility for taking out loans to attend school?

Nah bailout for everyone sounds easier. We all want free lunches.

[~primetime~]

How about we get rid of the Federal Government in the backing of student loans and student aid that are directly correlated with the increase in student tuition? In the very least the the federal government can give those monies, grants etc to states that can use them to fund public schools instead? Or maybe put the schools on the hook for these student loans somehow?

Or how about people take personal responsibility for taking out loans to attend school?

Nah bailout for everyone sounds easier. We all want free lunches.
Then no one would go to college, it's gotten to that point where it is just flat out more logical to NOT get an education. So then we are left with a country that is uneducated.

There are lots of countries out there that offer free college tuition. Germany, France, Norway, Finland to name a few

I'm 100% fine with bailouts when it comes to education if the end result is everyone is more educated w/more money...it makes this place better for EVERYONE

[Derka]

These f*cking Klan titles :oldlol: Grand Wizard...Grand Dragon...Grand Warlock...Grand Ogre...Grand Mage. Sound like some nerdy D&D rejects.

[Nick Young]

You would think that a young base of college aged males would also be interested in free college...
Use your brain.

This system has failed hard in the UK. I've seen it with my own eyes.

1. If everyone has a degree, a degree means nothing, and employers will start seeking people with masters degrees.

2. Entry standards and class requirements are lowered as universities will compete with each other to attract all the new stupid people who are coming to university.

3. Degree mill universities spring up dedicated to accepting all of the morons other universities won't accept. These universities pass students through the system and give them a degree even if they don't deserve it.


Free college for everyone sounds nice but is a fail plan in reality.

The simple fact is, not everyone was meant to go to university. Some people are just stupid. And there's nothing wrong with that.


Putting all of these stupid people in to university will hold back the entire class. It is exactly like in highschool, the dumb kids always cause trouble and disrupt the class, or hold it back by asking stupid questions. All of these dumb highschoolers will move on to university and pull the same shit they pull in highschool.

It has happened in the UK. I've seen it. We don't want that shit in America.

We should be encouraging people to go in to apprenticeships and attend trade school. Free university is a retarded plan.

TL;DR

A degree means ZERO to an employer if everyone has them, including morons.

[~primetime~]

Yeah it wouldn't be like that, it wouldn't be literally 'free'...even if it was it would still require hard work just to be accepted.

Clinton just wants to make it affordable using money from the elite rich. Maybe the end result would cut the cost 50% and the remaining debt be interest-free IDK.

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-tuition-plan-making-college-free-donald-trumps-kids-not-what-2126868

[Nick Young]

Yeah it wouldn't be like that, it wouldn't be literally 'free'...even if it was it would still require hard work just to be accepted.

Clinton just wants to make it affordable using money from the elite rich. Maybe the end result would cut the cost 50% and the remaining debt be interest-free IDK.

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-tuition-plan-making-college-free-donald-trumps-kids-not-what-2126868
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

What happens is the degree mill unis pop up to accept all of the morons who couldn't get in to anywhere else. These unis hand out degrees to EVERYONE after 4 years. Then these morons with degrees go out in to the world and do shitty work. Then employers start to realize -we're getting all of these people with degrees, but they are lazy and suck! We will start recruiting only people with masters.

It happened in the UK. It will happen in the US. Don't make the same mistakes UK did.

The German system is the best one to follow.

Free uni for all sounds nice but is a path to failure.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Yeah it wouldn't be like that, it wouldn't be literally 'free'...even if it was it would still require hard work just to be accepted.

Clinton just wants to make it affordable using money from the elite rich. Maybe the end result would cut the cost 50% and the remaining debt be interest-free IDK.

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-tuition-plan-making-college-free-donald-trumps-kids-not-what-2126868

What's your deal PT? I always figured you for a Republican. Are you a union member? The reason I ask, is because I have friends who share a lot of my ideals, hunters, gun owners, rural property owners like me but vote Democrat simply because they are union members, understandably voting with their wallet.

[Nick Young]

Yeah it wouldn't be like that, it wouldn't be literally 'free'...even if it was it would still require hard work just to be accepted.

Clinton just wants to make it affordable using money from the elite rich. Maybe the end result would cut the cost 50% and the remaining debt be interest-free IDK.

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-tuition-plan-making-college-free-donald-trumps-kids-not-what-2126868
Why should "the elite rich" be penalized for being successful? Why should they be forced to pay for the education of randoms?:confusedshrug:

[~primetime~]

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/5/005/07c/214/1989dbf.jpg

^^^

[Akrazotile]

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/5/005/07c/214/1989dbf.jpg

^^^ €9,837 in Europe vs. €30,987 in the USA



we should be trying to match THAT


Dude thats bc in Europe they dont send everyone to college. Germany sends like 30% of grads to college, the rest go to vocational schools.

The US is the one that has this twisted idea that having everyone go to college means nobody has to be a plumber or work construction or be a police officer, everyone can get a degree in peruvian folk mythology, and by having a degree it means everyone can make a million dollars and nobody will be poor.

Thats the retarded mindset thats become ingrained in this country.

That increased demand is what shoots the prices up. Our country's approach to university is ass backward.

[~primetime~]

Why should "the elite rich" be penalized for being successful? Why should they be forced to pay for the education of randoms?:confusedshrug:
they would still be elite rich even with this, the better question is why are you fighting for the elite rich? You're not elite rich, vote for what puts money in YOUR pocket, not theirs you dum dum

the wealth disparity in this country is ridiculous

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2013/03/actual-wealth-604cs030413.jpg

it would help us greatly to funnel some of that wealth at the top down to the middle class in the form of education.

How this isn't seen as a great idea to all is baffling...

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/5/005/07c/214/1989dbf.jpg

^^^

[~primetime~]

That increased demand is what shoots the prices up. Our country's approach to university is ass backward.
right NOW it is...where cost of tuition outweighs future salary...that is completely backward

[Nick Young]

they would still be elite rich even with this, the better question is why are you fighting for the elite rich? You're not elite rich, vote for what puts money in YOUR pocket, not theirs you dum dum

So you're just a greedy money grubber who wants free shit for doing nothing in exchange? :hammerhead:

We don't deserve what we don't earn.

No one does.

Giving people free shit they didn't earn destroys their work ethic.

Rich people in America should not be penalized for being successful and succeeding in the system.

This is America. Not Sweden. We are capitalists. Not Euro-style socialists. Socialism IS FAILING IN EUROPE. Capitalism has made us the #1 super power in the world for decades now.


Why would we ditch our successful system for an unsustainable one that has proven to fail.


The "elite rich" already pay more taxes than the lower 99% COMBINED. Why should they be further punished?

[Akrazotile]

they would still be elite rich even with this, the better question is why are you fighting for the elite rich? You're not elite rich, vote for what puts money in YOUR pocket, not theirs you dum dum

the wealth disparity in this country is ridiculous

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2013/03/actual-wealth-604cs030413.jpg

it would help us greatly to funnel some of that wealth at the top down to the middle class in the form of education.

How this isn't seen as a great idea to all is baffling...

Your mistake is thinking money buys education. Or that college makes people qualified.

People who want to learn, will learn. People who want to work hard, will work hard. Sending an average kid to college isnt going to make him better at anything or more qualified at anything. He can work a labor job for a few years and take night classes if he really wants to pursue a particular path that requires a degree.

Most kids do not need to be going to college right out of high school. It's simply unnecessary and a waste of time. If it werent, why are so many kids with degrees currently unsatisfied with their work prospects? There are a limited number of good jobs available. Everyone having degrees doesnt change that.

College doesnt make you smart, a degree doesnt make you smart, these things dont actually DO anything. Its all based on a terrible false perception.

[~primetime~]

It is a massive fail to copy and install this system that doesn't work.
no...what we are doing doesn't work.

unless you're in the top 1%...then it works beautifully

but keep fighting for the top 1%...they love suckers like you

[Nick Young]

right NOW it is...where cost of tuition outweighs future salary...that is completely backward
Universities were never designed to be job training factories.

Entitlement culture is the problem here. Dumbasses think once they have a degree they will be on easy street. They fail to realize once they graduate they are competing with everyone else in the country who has the same degree to get desirable jobs. Then they get disheartened when things don't come easy to them, and give up and blame the system, and throw tantrums, and start demanding that rich people solve all their problems for them. They're entitled to the "elite rich's" money after all!

[~primetime~]

Your mistake is thinking money buys education. Or that college makes people qualified.

People who want to learn, will learn. People who want to work hard, will work hard. Sending an average kid to college isnt going to make him better at anything or more qualified at anything. He can work a labor job for a few years and take night classes if he really wants to pursue a particular path that requires a degree.

Most kids do not need to be going to college right out of high school. It's simply unnecessary and a waste of time. If it werent, why are so many kids with degrees currently unsatisfied with their work prospects? There are a limited number of good jobs available. Everyone having degrees doesnt change that.

College doesnt make you smart, a degree doesnt make you smart, these things dont actually DO anything. Its all based on a terrible false perception.
Yeah it wouldn't put much more in college, it would just make it affordable to the group already going.

I'd rather have 'average' kids getting educated anyway...IMO it certainly can make you smarter.

a country with too many college degrees >>> a country with no college degrees

[UK2K]

right NOW it is...where cost of tuition outweighs future salary...that is completely backward

But as long as everyone and their mother wants to go, it will remain that way.

Supply and demand.

[Nick Young]

Yeah it wouldn't put much more in college, it would just make it affordable to the group already going.

I'd rather have 'average' kids getting educated anyway...IMO it certainly can make you smarter.

a country with too many college degrees >>> a country with no college degrees
Free university does not make anyone more intelligent.

If someone is stupid and gets a degree, they will still be stupid.

[Nick Young]

But as long as everyone and their mother wants to go, it will remain that way.

Supply and demand.

yep. basic economic principles.

[~primetime~]

But as long as everyone and their mother wants to go, it will remain that way.

Supply and demand.
unless Clinton gets elected...and she will

so....just a matter of her actually falling through with it

[~primetime~]

Free university does not make anyone more intelligent.

If someone is stupid and gets a degree, they will still be stupid.
colleges still require standards before they accept you...unless you are talking about community college

it's not like every trailer park kid/hood niggah will suddenly have a doctorate

getting a degree is hard work no matter what the cost is

[HitandRun Reggie]

If the middle class can rid themselves of college debt that's holding them down from doing anything, then I'm not sure I even give a shit what's going on with her corporate backers.

No one is forcing kids to go to private colleges where tuitions average $32k a year. The avg tuition of public colleges are $9400/year. If you want the best, you are going to pay for it. The average net worth gap of 25-32 year olds with a HS diploma vs a college degree is $23,000, so a college education pays for itself in a matter of a few short years if the individual is responsible.

[ALBballer]

they would still be elite rich even with this, the better question is why are you fighting for the elite rich? You're not elite rich, vote for what puts money in YOUR pocket, not theirs you dum dum

the wealth disparity in this country is ridiculous

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2013/03/actual-wealth-604cs030413.jpg

it would help us greatly to funnel some of that wealth at the top down to the middle class in the form of education.

How this isn't seen as a great idea to all is baffling...

Look there's a few things wrong with your line of thinking or atleast things I disagree with. First off, education does not necessarily translate into wealth especially if the degrees are in a low demand. Even take a once prestigious career of practicing Law. The market has been saturated with lawyers and schools have recently started lowering the amount of admitted students due to less applicants. Many students today realize that going into $120k worth of debt, foregoing 3 years of potential earnings and so forth are not worth it.

As for the socialist countries, Germany in particular does not send all their students to these free public Universities, and they have a much better system of learning trades for those that do not wish to go down the Uni route. In addition, I believe they have stringent standards into getting into these free public unis and those that do not get in go into private unis which are not free but cheaper than the ones in the United states.

The median student debt is around $30k which isn't that bad, and the United States has a decent system set in place for kids that don't want to go into debt. Go to a community college for two years, don't room and board and then go into a state school afterwards. Do rich kids have an advantage well yeah since their kids can go straight to the private route and not worry about the expenses but I wasn't a rich kid and did the state school route and graduated debt free with a decent paying job. My example is anecdotal but not everyone deserves to go to an expensive private uni. But people from lower economic backgrounds can still go to the same private schools if they want to go into debt, I for example thought it wasn't worthy the money in my particular field but for others it might be worth it. Parents and students need to do a better job at looking at the benefits and costs instead of insinuating the same tired line of "well it's an investment and cost isn't a factor" which is another reason for the costly college education in this country.

Life isn't fair at times and the attempts by the government to correct this fairness has only increased tuition. Some studies have shown for every $100 the government gives in grants to students, colleges have increased prices around $55. 40 years ago unis were relatively cheap because there was no government back loans and people could work part-time jobs to pay back tuition. Even state unis were almost free because we actually funded them. Today we have a mess of a quasi-socialist approach of government back grants and loans. But even with this mess, the United States still has the majority of the highest ranked Unis in the world. Countries like German, Norway, Sweden, etc do not compare.

In the end, college isn't for everyone, and we need to stop doing a disservice to our younger generation by creating myths like "if you don't go to college you will flip burgers."

[Nick Young]

colleges still require standards before they accept you...unless you are talking about community college

it's not like every trailer park kid/hood niggah will suddenly have a doctorate

getting a degree is hard work no matter what the cost is
Degree mill unis will pop up, designed to attract all the idiots who can't get in to anywhere else, and pass them through with degrees, dilluting what a degree means for everyone else in America. :hammerhead:

Why? It is smart business. If the government is handing out money to these institutions for the amount of students they have, it only makes sense that universities that can't compete with the elite begin targeting the bottom of the barrel morons who don't belong in uni in the first place, and telling them bullshit like "All Americans deserve a degree".

It has happened in the UK. It will happen in the US if you copy their idiotic system, which is what you Primetime are advocating for.

[Nick Young]

In the end, college isn't for everyone, and we need to stop doing a disservice to our younger generation by creating myths like "if you don't go to college you will flip burgers."
Exactly. The lie and myth we tell kids that you need to go to uni to be a success is damaging.

[ALBballer]

Degree mill unis will pop up, designed to attract all the idiots who can't get in to anywhere else, and pass them through with degrees. :hammerhead:

Why? It is smart business. If the government is handing out money to these institutions for the amount of students they have, it only makes sense that universities that can't compete with the elite begin targeting the bottom of the barrel morons who don't belong in uni.

It has happened in the UK. It will happen in the US if you copy their idiotic system, which is what you Primetime are advocating for.

This has already happened in the US. Forget the For-Profit schools which are almost a complete scam, the average mill of the run private school is a joke in the United States in terms of entrance. A heartbeat, an average SAT score and average grades will grant you admission to many private colleges. Professors and admin need to support their bloated salaries somehow and these kids are being suckered in at an average $32k private school cost per year not including room and boarding, textbooks etc. which is heavily subsidized by grants and the leftover is financed through government backed loans.

Your average schools have nothing to lose by admitting students. There is almost no risk since the Unis are not responsibility for any of the debt taken on by the student. These Unis in theory would lose potential revenues by denying them because some other run of the mill school will accept them. This only leads to Unis becoming larger, spending ridiculous money on bloated infrastructure to lure students and so forth.

[~primetime~]

Seems like we disgree with 2 main things at the root of this.

1. I DO think (generally speaking) that educated people are smarter than uneducated people...again, that is generally speaking, on average, etc

Some of you do not seem to think an education actually benefits anyone :/


2. You guys think Clinton's system would result in EVERYONE having a degree, thus devaluing degrees. NO...stupid people would still fail to graduate/complete their degree. Again, degrees are hard to obtain weather they cost $1 million or are free.



In the end, I think it would result in a more educated country with a beefier/more intelligent middle class...simple as that

[Nick Young]

Seems like we disgree with 2 main things at the root of this.

1. I DO think (generally speaking) that educated people are smarter than uneducated people...again, that is generally speaking, on average, etc

There is a difference between being smart and being educated.

Nothing will make a stupid person become smart. Stupid people are going to stay stupid no matter how you dress them up.

Many people have an education but are stupid.

You cannot teach intelligence. You cannot teach common sense. You cannot teach work ethic and drive.

People either have these qualities or they don't.

[~primetime~]

There are lots of things that can make someone more intelligent...there are lots of things than can make a stupid person 'less stupid'

[Nick Young]

There are lots of things that can make someone more intelligent...there are lots of things than can make a stupid person 'less stupid'
nope.

[ALBballer]

Seems like we disgree with 2 main things at the root of this.

1. I DO think (generally speaking) that educated people are smarter than uneducated people...again, that is generally speaking, on average, etc

Some of you do not seem to think an education actually benefits anyone :/



This is a bit of a fallacy because "smarter" people tend to go to college, thus, leaving the impression college made them "smarter."



2. You guys think Clinton's system would result in EVERYONE having a degree, thus devaluing degrees. NO...stupid people would still fail to graduate/complete their degree. Again, degrees are hard to obtain weather they cost $1 million or are free.



In the end, I think it would result in a more educated country with a beefier/more intelligent middle class...simple as that

I don't think Clinton's plan is necessarily bad especially when compared to Sander's plan of "free college"

[~primetime~]

nope.
:whatever:

just eating healthy can make someone more intelligent...let alone actually working your brain

[Dresta]

colleges still require standards before they accept you...unless you are talking about community college

it's not like every trailer park kid/hood niggah will suddenly have a doctorate

getting a degree is hard work no matter what the cost is
lol, no it isn't: it's ludicrously easy.

[Nick Young]

Trump vs the KKK establishment. These upcoming elections are more important than we realize.

[Levity]

But don't worry, everyone on here feels bad for you. I know you may have watched Forest Gump and seen it as an inspiration that gave you the hope you could make something of yourself, but those of us who aren't Gump level retarded, are aware that this is Hollywood mythology, and that people of your IQ level are doomed to endure tedious lives of miserable incompetence.

:eek: :lol