Better player, Dwyane Wade or Scottie Pippen?

[warriorfan]

Dwayne Wade

[Im Still Ballin]

I'll take 6peat Pippen over 2peat Wade

[Round Mound]

Better Scorer, Wade.
Better Everything Else, Pippen.

[plowking]

Better Scorer, Wade.
Better Everything Else, Pippen.

Umm no. Wade was a better passer.
Better scorer you can break down in so many ways as well. Shooting, post play, playmaking, etc.

Your simplistic breakdown would apply the same for Jordan and Pippen.

[Milbuck]

Wade, pretty clearly.

[fourkicks44]

Wade, pretty clearly.

Pippen's defense cannot be compared to Wade's. So 'pretty clearly' it is not.

[Marchesk]

Wade, and it's not really in doubt

[WayOfWade]

For their careers, here's this thread http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385809

As for who was better at their best? I'd have to say Wade. While he was clearly inferior on defense, he was world's away on offense with his scoring prowess and passing as well as being insanely clutch

[Akrazotile]

Bigger is better.

[Round Mound]

The level of 1993-94 Pippen was on a par with any Wade. His numbers dont look that great cause he was playing with the biggest shot jacker & ball hog of all time (and yes, the best player of all time too). Wade was a better scorer than Pippen but for creating plays, passing, rebounding and defense its Pippen all the way.

[Achilleas]

for first option wade
for second option pippen

[Marchesk]

Prime Wade:

30.2/7.5/5/2.2/1.3 on 51.6%

[WayOfWade]

Prime Wade:

30.2/7.5/5/2.2/1.3 on 51.6%
Pretty sure he shot 49.1%, unless you're talking about something other than from the field

[Marchesk]

Pretty sure he shot 49.1%, unless you're talking about something other than from the field

You're right, looked at the wrong thing.

[JtotheIzzo]

Wade

by quite a bit

if the internet was around in Pippen's day he would be taunted immensely as a beta and a pu$$y, he has benefited greatly from the whitewashing of Chicago Bulls history and the deification of MJ.

The Pistons, with great success, went at Pippen and he crumbled, this would be unforgivable, and the second banana comfort he displayed as well as him refusing to re-enter the game when Kukoc was given the ball after MJ's retirement would garner him Bran level hate.

All that being said he is an all-timer, but so is Wade, and Wade a better one.

[WayOfWade]

^
:applause:

[pauk]

Pippen.

[WayOfWade]

Pippen.
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/59889341.jpg

[pauk]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/59889341.jpg

Let me troll him damnit :mad:

[Gileraracer]

Better winner with 17 free throws per game: DWhistle

[aj1987]

The level of 1993-94 Pippen was on a par with any Wade. His numbers dont look that great cause he was playing with the biggest shot jacker & ball hog of all time (and yes, the best player of all time too). Wade was a better scorer than Pippen but for creating plays, passing, rebounding and defense its Pippen all the way.
:facepalm :facepalm


Wade > Pippen
Wade > Fat boy

Deal with it.

[houston]

wade by alot

[Dragonyeuw]

The level of 1993-94 Pippen was on a par with any Wade. His numbers dont look that great cause he was playing with the biggest shot jacker & ball hog of all time (and yes, the best player of all time too). Wade was a better scorer than Pippen but for creating plays, passing, rebounding and defense its Pippen all the way.

Afraid to admit I'm channeling 3ball here, but Pippen's stats didn't exactly skyrocket without MJ. In 92, he put up 21/7/7. In 93, he put up 19/8/6. In 94, without MJ, 22/9/6. In 94, shots were redistributed to make BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant bigger offensive threats leading to their loner all-star berths, and Kukoc provided scoring off the bench. I think your argument here would hold more water had Pippen exploded for 25+ the year MJ left. Maybe out west in a more open offense, on transitional opportunities alone he'd probably score more but within the confines of the triangle offense, his apex was 20-22 ppg regardless of MJ's presence.

In response to the question, I'd lean overall towards Wade, but they're both in my personal top 5 favorite players.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade by a mile

[KelticForce1349]

I am truly shocked to see so many people typing Wade like it's a copy/paste game. I can only assume that this is because most of you watched Wade's career as it happened, and have only seen certain games/highlight vids of Pippen.

I agree with the idea that Wade had more impact with his scoring, but that isn't always the best thing you can give a team. Even if that was the only thing that mattered, I don't feel confident Wade would have been as explosive against the those 90's Knicks teams or the Bad Boy Pistons. I can remember a prime Kirk Hinrich giving Wade fits.

Anyway....the gap between Wade and Pippen is so enormous defensively...I would be wasting my time even trying to explain the difference.

Pippen. Seriously....Scottie Pippen people.

[feyki]

Wade . Far better scorer , clearly better shooter and an underrated defender . Wade's peak close to Pippen defensively . Peak to Peak , Wade was best perimeter defender after millenium .

[greatest-ever]

Anyone with a brain can see Wade was the superior player, even despite his lacking durabilty.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade was best perimeter defender after millenium .

Pretty bold statement.

[IllegalD]

Wade

by quite a bit

if the internet was around in Pippen's day he would be taunted immensely as a beta and a pu$$y, he has benefited greatly from the whitewashing of Chicago Bulls history and the deification of MJ.

The Pistons, with great success, went at Pippen and he crumbled, this would be unforgivable, and the second banana comfort he displayed as well as him refusing to re-enter the game when Kukoc was given the ball after MJ's retirement would garner him Bran level hate.

All that being said he is an all-timer, but so is Wade, and Wade a better one.

Don't forget he "lead" the Jailblazers to their epic 4th quarter collapse in Game 7 of the 2000 WCFs and got outplayed and crossed-over by a 21 year old punk Kobe. :applause:

[Ranked 12th]

No version of Wade is better than any version of Pippen

[CAstill]

Pippen is getting overrated here. Wade is the correct answer.

[Rooster]

for first option wade
for second option pippen

This seems logical until I realized what Pippen did without Jordan and what Wade did when Shaq was gone and before Lebron hop in.

[plowking]

I am truly shocked to see so many people typing Wade like it's a copy/paste game. I can only assume that this is because most of you watched Wade's career as it happened, and have only seen certain games/highlight vids of Pippen.

I agree with the idea that Wade had more impact with his scoring, but that isn't always the best thing you can give a team. Even if that was the only thing that mattered, I don't feel confident Wade would have been as explosive against the those 90's Knicks teams or the Bad Boy Pistons. I can remember a prime Kirk Hinrich giving Wade fits.

Anyway....the gap between Wade and Pippen is so enormous defensively...I would be wasting my time even trying to explain the difference.

Pippen. Seriously....Scottie Pippen people.

lol at Hinrich impacting Wade in any significant way. Dude garnered a reputation based on shutting down an injured Wade in 2007.

Wade always performed best against the physical defenses compared to Bron and Kobe. Look at his performances against the Pistons in 05, 06 and then the Celtics in 10 and 11. Why is it that it was always him that came out on top compared to the two other premier players of his time?

Umm the gap between their defense is smaller than the gap between their offense. Wade is, and always was a premier defensive player at his position. His lack of first team selections doesn't mean jack shit. Wade was anchoring his teams defense for a good 4 year run, putting up seasons of 2spg and 1bpg eight times in his career if you round up.

Wade gives you more points while shooting more, being a first option, being more efficient from the field, a better fast break player, better post player, better shooter, better free throw shooter, better finisher at the ring, better ball handler, better passer, etc.
Pippen is a slightly better defender and better rebounder.


Pippen isn't close to Wade. You don't know jack about basketball if you think Scottie is a better player. It is like saying Draymond Green is a better player than current Bron. That is how big that gap is.

[Fire Colangelo]

This seems logical until I realized what Pippen did without Jordan and what Wade did when Shaq was gone and before Lebron hop in.

Then you realize the 94 Bulls still had Grant, Armstrong, Kukoc + championship level role players + Phil and and Wade pretty much played with players on the same level of Pete Myers (other than JO and Marion).

And THEN you realize Pippen's sub 40% shooting in the playoffs vs Wade slicing up one of the best defenses of all time in the 10 Celtics.

[Ranked 12th]

lol at Hinrich impacting Wade in any significant way. Dude garnered a reputation based on shutting down an injured Wade in 2007.

Wade always performed best against the physical defenses compared to Bron and Kobe. Look at his performances against the Pistons in 05, 06 and then the Celtics in 10 and 11. Why is it that it was always him that came out on top compared to the two other premier players of his time?

Umm the gap between their defense is smaller than the gap between their offense. Wade is, and always was a premier defensive player at his position. His lack of first team selections doesn't mean jack shit. Wade was anchoring his teams defense for a good 4 year run, putting up seasons of 2spg and 1bpg eight times in his career if you round up.

Wade gives you more points while shooting more, being a first option, being more efficient from the field, a better fast break player, better post player, better shooter, better free throw shooter, better finisher at the ring, better ball handler, better passer, etc.
Pippen is a slightly better defender and better rebounder.


Pippen isn't close to Wade. You don't know jack about basketball if you think Scottie is a better player. It is like saying Draymond Green is a better player than current Bron. That is how big that gap is.


1991-1993 Pippen > 1996-1998 Pippen > 2012-2014 Wade

[Cold soul]

Wade by a mile.

[plowking]

I'm sorry but when did Pippen put up anything close to being as good as Wade's 2006 finals? Better yet, has he had one as good as Wade's 2011 finals? How about putting up anything close to as good as Wade's 2012 finals?

In the biggest series of Pippen's life, the one against the Knicks in 94, he chokes, and shoots 40.5% for the series, despite shooting 48% for the year. His raw stats in every category drop significantly too.

Against Seattle in 96 in the finals he shoots 34.3%.
Utah in 97. One of his only decent finals performances. 20/8/4, on 42% though.
Utah in 98, back to his old ways with 16/7/5 on 41%.


Wade has one truly bad finals, and it was in 2014. Scottie has a bunch, and he doesn't have an injury as bad as Wade's as an excuse.

[warriorfan]

I'm sorry but when did Pippen put up anything close to being as good as Wade's 2006 finals? Better yet, has he had one as good as Wade's 2011 finals? How about putting up anything close to as good as Wade's 2012 finals?

In the biggest series of Pippen's life, the one against the Knicks in 94, he chokes, and shoots 40.5% for the series, despite shooting 48% for the year. His raw stats in every category drop significantly too.

Against Seattle in 96 in the finals he shoots 34.3%.
Utah in 97. One of his only decent finals performances. 20/8/4, on 42% though.
Utah in 98, back to his old ways with 16/7/5 on 41%.


Wade has one truly bad finals, and it was in 2014. Scottie has a bunch, and he doesn't have an injury as bad as Wade's as an excuse.

I agree, people are caught up with Scottie Pippen highlights and don't realize he had major issues in high pressure, big game scenarios.

[plowking]

1991-1993 Pippen > 1996-1998 Pippen > 2012-2014 Wade

So you use 2014 Wade, but not 2011? Wade was a second option to Bron from 11-14, and during that time he was better than any version of Pippen.

If you use 12-14 Wade, he is still better than 96-98 Pippen, but worse than 91-93 Pippen.

So 91-93 Pip> 12-14 Wade> 96-98 Pippen.

During their primes it is Wade easy.

[Ranked 12th]

So you use 2014 Wade, but not 2011? Wade was a second option to Bron from 11-14, and during that time he was better than any version of Pippen.

If you use 12-14 Wade, he is still better than 96-98 Pippen, but worse than 91-93 Pippen.

So 91-93 Pip> 12-14 Wade> 96-98 Pippen.

During their primes it is Wade easy.


Ok let's break it down by championship run stats


Wade averaged 19-5-5 with average defense on his 2012-2013 championship runs



Tell me a two year championship stretch where Pippen was worse

[CAstill]

Ok let's break it down by championship run stats


Wade averaged 19-5-5 with average defense on his 2012-2013 championship runs



Tell me a two year championship stretch where Pippen was worse

2011 Wade is better than any version of Pippen.

[plowking]

Ok let's break it down by championship run stats


Wade averaged 19-5-5 with average defense on his 2012-2013 championship runs



Tell me a two year championship stretch where Pippen was worse

Pippen like Wade in both 13 and 14 wasn't the one generally stepping up. It was someone else. Wade did decide to show up in the 13' finals though, after sucking being fairly average all playoffs.

Pip put up 18/7/5 during their second 3 peat, on worse shooting. The gap between their point output is actually 1.8ppg, and Pippen shot 41% to Wade's 46%, but Pippen regressed more in the finals, which is why I'd want Wade.

[plowking]

2011 Wade is better than any version of Pippen.

True.

Aside from Magic/Kareem, Bird/McHale and Moses/Dr J, a second option has never been as good as Wade that year.

Bron just decided not to show up for whatever reason.

[Milbuck]

'06 and '09 Wade and really every other version of Flash when he was actually Flash absolutely shits on Pippen. It's really not that close.

[CAstill]

True.

Aside from Magic/Kareem, Bird/McHale and Moses/Dr J, a second option has never been as good as Wade that year.

Bron just decided not to show up for whatever reason.

I agree on the Bron not showing up part but not the rest. 3peat Kobe is by far better than 11 Wade. I also like Shaq 06 as well, 96 Payton, and maybe a 95 drexler as well.

[Wade's Rings]

I agree on the Bron not showing up part but not the rest. 3peat Kobe is by far better than 11 Wade. I also like Shaq 06 as well, 96 Payton, and maybe a 95 drexler as well.

:oldlol:

[IllegalD]

:oldlol:

Shows your insecure Wade Stanleyness that you would get so offended at the Kobe comparison but non of the others (Drexler, 06 Shaq, etc)

[Wade's Rings]

Shows your insecure Wade Stanleyness that you would get so offended at the Kobe comparison but non of the others (Drexler, 06 Shaq, etc)

Was he saying those guys were better than '11 Wade? I didn't interpret that way. If so :oldlol: @ that whole post.

[Rooster]

Then you realize the 94 Bulls still had Grant, Armstrong, Kukoc + championship level role players + Phil and and Wade pretty much played with players on the same level of Pete Myers (other than JO and Marion).

And THEN you realize Pippen's sub 40% shooting in the playoffs vs Wade slicing up one of the best defenses of all time in the 10 Celtics.

Pippen made Grant and Armstrong all stars during that year and they were 5-7 without him to start the season. With the GOAT not playing, team should Be a sub 500 team but let's face it Pippen proved he can carry a team as a first option. I am not debating whether he's better than Wade but Wade will be a sidekick to Jordan too.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1) 2005 - 2011 Wade
2) 1991 - 1995 Pippen
3) 1996 - 1998 Pippen
4) 2012 - 2014 Wade

Fair?

Peaks? 2009 Wade > 1994 Pippen.

Career? Scottie, I guess. Even that is debatable.

But Dwyane IMO from eye test, numbers, is quite clearly the better player all-time. The difference in Pippen's defense to Wade's is closer than the ocean like gap between them as offensive weapons.

[Stu Jackson]

1) 2005 - 2011 Wade
2) 1991 - 1995 Pippen
3) 1996 - 1998 Pippen
4) 2012 - 2014 Wade

Fair?

Peaks? 2009 Wade > 1994 Pippen.

Career? Scottie, I guess. Even that is debatable.

But Dwyane IMO from eye test, numbers, is quite clearly the better player all-time. The difference in Pippen's defense to Wade's is closer than the ocean like gap between them as offensive weapons.
hows it going coach

any cuties on the illinois speed this year :lol

[Akhenaten]

Disrespectful to Wade, Pippen isn't/wasn't a max player/franchise/superstar guy, he's a great second banana should never be mentioned in the same sentenced with a bonafide superstar player especially one that has a dominant playoff run on the way to winning a championship. Pippen is tier below the Wade's, Kobe's, Barkley's, lebrons etc

[CAstill]

Was he saying those guys were better than '11 Wade? I didn't interpret that way. If so :oldlol: @ that whole post.

You're a fool if you think wade 11 was better than 3peat Kobe. Kobe would of made wade cry.
The others I think are close, especially 96 payton.

[Wade's Rings]

You're a fool if you think wade 11 was better than 3peat Kobe. Kobe would of made wade cry.
The others I think are close, especially 96 payton.

You said "3 peat Kobe is by far better than 11 Wade", that's not true.

[CAstill]

You said "3 peat Kobe is by far better than 11 Wade", that's not true.

Than we can agree to disagree because Imo he is. 3 peat Kobe was more battle tested and elite on the defensive end.

[Wade's Rings]

Than we can agree to disagree because Imo he is. 3 peat Kobe was more battle tested and elite on the defensive end.

Ok.

[G-Funk]

Wade is better. Dude is on par with Kobe, Jordan And Lebron when 100%

[Jacks3]

Wade is hilariously overrated, but I would still give him the very slight edge over Pippen.

[SouBeachTalents]

Peak wise it's Wade and not that close imo, career wise you could pick either player, but I'd still give the nod to Wade. Let's be honest though, this comparison is never even made if LeBron doesn't sign with Miami.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade is hilariously overrated, but I would still give him the very slight edge over Pippen.

Is this what you do now, just come into the thread to say Wade is overrated and then give your opinion? :oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Wade's peak close to Pippen defensively . Peak to Peak , Wade was best perimeter defender after millenium .
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

You're a fool if you think wade 11 was better than 3peat Kobe. Kobe would of made wade cry.
The others I think are close, especially 96 payton.


I agree on the Bron not showing up part but not the rest. 3peat Kobe is by far better than 11 Wade. I also like Shaq 06 as well, 96 Payton, and maybe a 95 drexler as well.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm

[pastis]

Pippen is the better all around player

wade is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

[aj1987]

Pippen is the better all around player

wade is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen
Wade is also the better clutch player, playmaker, and leader. If you actually consider Pippen to be a better player than, Dirk, then you have to rank him over Dirk as well. The exact same logic applies when you compare Pippen and Dirk.

[CAstill]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm

You sitting there with a hand over your face because you can't handle the truth. It blinds haters so it makes sense that you run for cover you coward.

[pastis]

Wade is also the better clutch player, playmaker, and leader. If you actually consider Pippen to be a better player than, Dirk, then you have to rank him over Dirk as well. The exact same logic applies when you compare Pippen and Dirk.

i will try to explain it for you.

Dirk > Barkley > KG > Pippen > Wade

Sincerely yours,

pastis

[aj1987]

You sitting there with a hand over your face because you can't handle the truth. It blinds haters so it makes sense that you run for cover you coward.
Retard, you just said '06 Shaq, '96 Payton, and '95 Drexler were all better than Wade and that '03 Kobe was "far better". It's time you stop posting.


i will try to explain it for you.

Dirk > Barkley > KG > Pippen

Sincerely yours,

pastis
Pippen is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

Pippen > Dirk

Barkley is the better all around player

Barkley is the better volume scorer.

overall Barkley

Barkley > Dirk

KG is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall KG

KG > Dirk

Wade is the better all around player

Wade is the better volume scorer

Overall Wade

Wade > Dirk
As I said, your completely shitty argument can be used against Dirk as well.

Wade > Barkley > KG > Pippen > Dirk

[pastis]

i will answer with the following.

win shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_career.html)

Rank Player WS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26
3. Karl Malone* 234.63
4. Michael Jordan* 214.02
5. John Stockton* 207.70
6. Tim Duncan 204.79
7. Dirk Nowitzki 196.54
8. Kevin Garnett 191.50
9. Oscar Robertson* 189.21
10. LeBron James 187.33
11. Shaquille O'Neal 181.71
12. David Robinson* 178.67
13. Charles Barkley* 177.21
14. Reggie Miller* 174.40
15. Kobe Bryant 172.73
16. Moses Malone* 167.07
17. Bill Russell* 163.51
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77
19. Jerry West* 162.58
20. Magic Johnson* 155.79
21. Paul Pierce 149.64
22. Robert Parish* 147.00
23. Larry Bird* 145.83
24. Gary Payton* 145.53
25. Ray Allen 145.08


Win Share per 48 minutes:



NBA
Rank Player WS/48
1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2476
5. Neil Johnston* .2413
6. LeBron James .2396
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Kevin Durant .2122
13. Tim Duncan .2101
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
16. Oscar Robertson* .2069
17. Karl Malone* .2053
18. James Harden .2050
19. Dirk Nowitzki .2035
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Manu Ginobili .2016
22. Yao Ming .2001
23. Ed Macauley* .1964
24. Stephen Curry .1929
25. Bill Russell* .1927
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Adrian Dantley* .1887
28. Sidney Moncrief .1873
29. Kevin Love .1838
30. Paul Arizin* .1833
31. Sam Jones* .1824
32. Harry Gallatin* .1824
33. Kevin Garnett .1823
34. Dwyane Wade .1807
35. Kevin McHale* .1802
36. Bailey Howell* .1799
37. Bill Sharman* .1782
38. George Yardley* .1780
39. Moses Malone* .1779
40. Julius Erving* .1778
41. Clyde Lovellette* .1777
42. Kevin Johnson .1777
43. Dan Issel* .1769
44. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1767
45. Dwight Howard .1766
46. Walt Frazier* .1760
47. Reggie Miller* .1758
48. Chauncey Billups .1756
49. Bobby Jones .1752
50. Bob Lanier* .1751
51. Artis Gilmore* .1737
52. Clyde Drexler* .1734
53. Kobe Bryant .1726
54. Larry Nance .1713
55. Vern Mikkelsen* .1699
56. Pau Gasol .1696
57. Amar'e Stoudemire .1694

defensive win shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career.html):

NBA
Rank Player DWS
1. Bill Russell* 133.64
2. Tim Duncan 105.20
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 94.49
4. Hakeem Olajuwon* 94.47
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 93.92
6. Karl Malone* 92.41
7. Kevin Garnett 91.52
8. Elvin Hayes* 83.65
9. Patrick Ewing* 81.42
10. David Robinson* 80.14
11. Jason Kidd 75.14
12. John Havlicek* 74.09
13. Robert Parish* 72.98
14. Ben Wallace 70.58
15. Dikembe Mutombo* 68.53
16. Scottie Pippen* 67.29
17. Shaquille O'Neal 66.36
18. John Stockton* 64.93
19. Michael Jordan* 64.13
20. Wes Unseld* 64.11
21. Charles Oakley 63.34
22. Paul Pierce 62.31
23. Nate Thurmond* 62.23
24. Buck Williams 61.79
25. Shawn Marion 61.27
26. Jack Sikma 60.69
27. Dwight Howard 59.66
28. Larry Bird* 59.03
29. LeBron James 57.14
30. Rasheed Wallace 57.12
31. Dirk Nowitzki 56.89
32. Dolph Schayes* 56.15
33. Clifford Robinson 55.89
34. Dave Cowens* 55.83
35. Marcus Camby 54.89
36. Dennis Rodman* 54.46
37. Moses Malone* 54.36
38. Charles Barkley* 53.91
39. Vlade Divac 52.90
40. Shawn Kemp 52.17
41. Paul Silas 51.74
42. Kobe Bryant 50.53


PER career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html)

NBA
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.61
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.58
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Kevin Durant 24.92
9. Dwyane Wade 24.81
10. Neil Johnston* 24.69
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Tim Duncan 24.32
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.14
20. Yao Ming 23.02
21. Kobe Bryant 22.98


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Winshares Dirk Nowitzki (rank in the league)

Win Shares
2000-01 NBA 14.6 (2)
2001-02 NBA 13.4 (3)
2002-03 NBA 16.1 (2)
2003-04 NBA 11.5 (6)
2004-05 NBA 15.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 17.7 (1)
2006-07 NBA 16.3 (1)
2007-08 NBA 12.9 (7)
2008-09 NBA 10.9 (9)
2009-10 NBA 12.3 (5)
2010-11 NBA 11.1 (10)

Winshares dwayne wade (rank in the league)

Win Shares
2005-06 NBA 14.4 (8)
2008-09 NBA 14.7 (3)
2009-10 NBA 13.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 12.8 (6)
Active 112.8 (10)
Career NBA 112.8 (51)
Career 112.8 (56)

WS/48 Dirk Nowitzki (rank in the league)

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
2000-01 NBA .224 (4)
2001-02 NBA .222 (3)
2002-03 NBA .249 (3)
2004-05 NBA .248 (1)
2005-06 NBA .275 (1)
2006-07 NBA .278 (1)
2007-08 NBA .223 (7)
2009-10 NBA .194 (9)
2010-11 NBA .213 (7)
2013-14 NBA .199 (9)

WS/48 dwayne wade (rank in the league)

2005-06 NBA .239 (4)
2006-07 NBA .219 (6)
2008-09 NBA .232 (4)
2009-10 NBA .224 (3)
2010-11 NBA .218 (6)
2011-12 NBA .227 (5)
Career NBA .179 (36)


defensive WS Dirk Nowitzki

2002-03 NBA 5.3 (6)
2004-05 NBA 5.2 (6)
Active 57.3 (6)
Career NBA 57.3 (30)
Career 57.3 (33)

defensive WS dwayne Wade

2009-10 NBA 4.6 (10)
2010-11 NBA 4.7 (10)
Career NBA 40.8 (88)
Career 40.8 (94)

[aj1987]

WS.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

According to WS, Dirk is better than Moses, Shaq, Kobe, and Hakeem.

According to WS/48, Ed Macauley and Harry Gallatin are top 50 players. Neil Johnston is top 5. Harden, KD, Oscar, Malone, Pettit, Dirk, etc. are all better than Bird.

According to RAPM, Amir Johnson has more impact than Wade, Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, etc..

How many players won the MVP and led the team to 67 wins, only to choke in the 1st round against the 8th seed?

Pippen is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

Pippen > Dirk

Barkley is the better all around player

Barkley is the better volume scorer.

overall Barkley

Barkley > Dirk

KG is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall KG

KG > Dirk

Wade is the better all around player

Wade is the better volume scorer

Overall Wade

Wade >>>>>>>>>>> Dirk

Wade > Barkley > KG > Pippen > Dirk

[pastis]

WS.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

According to WS, Dirk is better than Moses, Shaq, Kobe, and Hakeem.

According to WS/48, Ed Macauley and Harry Gallatin are top 50 players. Neil Johnston is top 5. Harden, KD, Oscar, Malone, Pettit, Dirk, etc. are all better than Bird.

According to RAPM, Amir Johnson has more impact than Wade, Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, etc..

How many players won the MVP and led the team to 67 wins, only to choke in the 1st round against the 8th seed?

Pippen is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

Pippen > Dirk

Barkley is the better all around player

Barkley is the better volume scorer.

overall Barkley

Barkley > Dirk

KG is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall KG

KG > Dirk

Wade is the better all around player

Wade is the better volume scorer

Overall Wade

Wade >>>>>>>>>>> Dirk

Wade > Barkley > KG > Pippen > Dirk

i see that you have very good arguments.

most people have dirk comfortably ahead of wade all-time. its difficult to rank dirk/kg/malon/barkley properly.

wade is always considered a tier under those players. whats your problem? be thankful that lebron and bosh made the heat great again. otherwise, wade would have finished his career, putting up some volume stats in the historically weak EC. (like he did most of his career anyways)

[aj1987]

i see that you have very good arguments.
When your only argument is retarded made up stats like WS, WS/48, PER, etc., then there's nothing more I can do.

Oh, and before you have your period again:

According to WS, Dirk is better than Moses, Shaq, Kobe, and Hakeem.

According to WS/48, Ed Macauley and Harry Gallatin are top 50 players. Neil Johnston is top 5. Harden, KD, Oscar, Malone, Pettit, Dirk, etc. are all better than Bird.

According to RAPM, Amir Johnson has more impact than Wade, Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, etc..

I'm sorry, but I don't like using those stupid "advanced" stats when comparing players.

Your reasoning for Pippen being better than Wade was:


Pippen is the better all around player

wade is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

Pippen is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall pippen

Pippen > Dirk

Barkley is the better all around player

Barkley is the better volume scorer.

overall Barkley

Barkley > Dirk

KG is the better all around player

Dirk is the better volume scorer.

overall KG

KG > Dirk

Wade is the better all around player

Wade is the better volume scorer

Overall Wade

Wade >>>>>>>>>>> Dirk

Wade > Barkley > KG > Pippen > Dirk

Can you disprove any of that. That literally was your argument.


Dirk is probably one of the most overrated players ever. 1 title and people consider him a top 15 player and rank Wade somewhere in the 20's, when wAde has 3x the number of titles.


wade is always considered a tier under those players. whats your problem? be thankful that lebron and bosh made the heat great again. otherwise, wade would have finished his career, putting up some volume stats in the historically weak EC.
Wade without LeBron/Bosh - 1 ring

Just be glad that a perennial choker like Dirk stole one ring due to a MASSIVE LeBron choke. Dude would be a career loser, if it wasn't for LeBron's epic choke. 67 wins a lose to a 8th seed. :roll:

[CAstill]

[QUOTE=aj1987]Retard, you just said '06 Shaq, '96 Payton, and '95 Drexler were all better than Wade and that '03 Kobe was "far better".

03 Kobe was better than 11 wade, deal with it. The other 3 players were just as good and with Payton for sure being better. You're just a Wade nut hugger. All of those players would of made Wade cry.

[aj1987]

03 Kobe was better than 11 wade, deal with it. The other 3 players were just as good and with Payton for sure being better. You're just a Wade nut hugger. All of those players would of made Wade cry.
Again, Kobe wasn't even close to being "far better" than Wade. '96 Payton better than '11 Wade? Did you start watching basketball yesterday? You do know that Wade averaged 26/6/5/2/1 on 50% with really good defense in '11, right?

'06 Shaq and '95 Drexler are not even in the same tier as '11 Wade. If you think they are, then '06 Shaq and '95 Drexler > '00-'05 and '08-'13 Kobe.

If those dude are making Wade "cry", they make Chokebe quit basketball for good.

[Zach LaVine]

Peak Wade.

[Jasper]

Quite frankly this comparison is pretty hard.
D-wade is a fav plAYER OF MINE , BUT Pip is as well.

It amazes me to this day that people do not realize that pip was one of top 50 players in the NBA as well as a 6 time champ.

He could bring the ball up like Giannis , drive and slash to the hoop like Worthy, have a beautiful touch around the hoop as well as a slick jumper.
But that isn't even what he is known for :
He is considered one of the all time best passers of all time , and his defense as a SF was second to none.

Pip is head and shoulders over D-Wade , and if they ever played head to head it would be Pip 21-12.

[andgar923]

Wade has the advantage on Pip on several categories.

But Wade led his team, a shitty team to the playoffs and Wade had some amazing playoff performances even as a young player. People forget how great he used to be, throwing up performances reminiscent of MJ.

While Pip is the better defender, people are seriously underrating Wade's defense. Wade was a beast at times, and was perhaps the Heat's best lock down defender. And then to consider how great he was at blocking shots even tho he's only 6'4 is something people aren't taking into consideration. Wade is being underrated as a defender and Pip is being overrated as a passer.

Most of Pip's passes were on set plays. Pip was good at setting up an offense, but not even on the same level as Wade at 'creating'. Pip was never elite at creating, good yes, but not elite.

To top it off Wade destroys Pip in the clutch and leadership department.

Pip is a multi talented serviceable player, but not a FRANCHISE player, huge distinction. Pip isn't gonna lead a team to the title, but he'll play a great second fiddle and plug in the holes that need to be plugged in.

Pip= Sous chef
Wade= Executive Chef

[feyki]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Great post . I'm illuminated with your intelligence level .

[plowking]

Quite frankly this comparison is pretty hard.
D-wade is a fav plAYER OF MINE , BUT Pip is as well.

It amazes me to this day that people do not realize that pip was one of top 50 players in the NBA as well as a 6 time champ.

He could bring the ball up like Giannis , drive and slash to the hoop like Worthy, have a beautiful touch around the hoop as well as a slick jumper.
But that isn't even what he is known for :
He is considered one of the all time best passers of all time , and his defense as a SF was second to none.

Pip is head and shoulders over D-Wade , and if they ever played head to head it would be Pip 21-12.

If Pippen is head and shoulders above Wade, than he is better than Jerry West and Kobe Bryant too.

Pippen isn't close to Wade. That is the reality. If both of these guys were in their primes, it wouldn't be close.

Current Kawhi Leonard is probably as good a player as Pippen ever was.