Where Do You Rank Shawn Kemp/Gary Payton in Duos Of All Time?

[Bless Mathews]

Criminally underrated.

glove - goat defender, great passer good mid range , smart hall of Famer.

Reign man- run the floor. Underrated low Poast game. Great back to the hoop on the block. Athletic freak.

Together, their chemistry sets them apart as one of goat duos. Lob city 20 years before lob city.

I put them way up there. Top 10 point guard/ power forward duo.

[WayOfWade]

Off the top of my head, these duos were/are better (in no particular order)
Wade/LeBron
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Stockton/Malone
Jordan/Pippen (duh)
Bird/McHale
Dr. J/Moses
Magic/Kareem
*Pre-1980
Russel and Cousy
Alcindor and Robertson
West and Chamberlain (close though)

These guys are we a disadvantage though strictly because they didn't win a title. That's a part of the game though; I'd say they're fringe top 10, you could argue them in there

Edit: if we're going strictly PG/PF duos, they're obviously higher, I was just thinking duos in general

[bigkingsfan]

Behind OKC Durant/WB

[Marchesk]

Ahead of GSW Curry & Klay

[Im Still Ballin]

Pretty solid

George Karl was a hell of a coach with Seattle

[Overdrive]

Off the top of my head, these duos were/are better (in no particular order)
Wade/LeBron
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Stockton/Malone
Jordan/Pippen (duh)
Bird/McHale
Dr. J/Moses
Magic/Kareem
*Pre-1980
Russel and Cousy
Alcindor and Robertson
West and Chamberlain (close though)

These guys are we a disadvantage though strictly because they didn't win a title. That's a part of the game though; I'd say they're fringe top 10, you could argue them in there

Edit: if we're going strictly PG/PF duos, they're obviously higher, I was just thinking duos in general

Kobe/Gasol, but no Kobe/Shaq?

Chemistry wise I'd rank them very high, but Kemp wasn't on the level of Wade, Malone, etc.

[Im Still Ballin]

It's questionable how important Shawn Kemp was, because they won 61 games the year after he was traded (Up from 57)

But Vin Baker was pretty good anyways so it's not an increase in pure subtraction.

[Prime_Shaq]

I always think that there's a difference between the BEST duo and GREATEST duo.

[masonanddixon]

Kemp would've been great if he didn't foul out before every fourth quarter.

Also, most posters here weren't even alive when Kemp was playing.

[TommyGriffin]

Kemp would've been great if he didn't foul out before every fourth quarter.

Also, most posters here weren't even alive when Kemp was playing.
Mason, where would you rank Tom Chambers and Jeff Hornacek in all time great duos?

[masonanddixon]

Mason, where would you rank Tom Chambers and Jeff Hornacek in all time great duos?

lol they weren't a duo, young man. Chambers was old as hell on that Suns squad.

[Bless Mathews]

Point guard/power forward duo.

Yes.

They are up there.

Way up on the list.

[JohnnySic]

They were great but many duos were better.

[Im Still Ballin]

Better than cp3 and griffin

[Vancouver-Grizz]

Loved watching them play especially in the 95-96 Season... Killed me that Kemp was having such a tough time in the finals against Rodman. When Kemp finally threw down a reverse dunk on Rodman... I was cheering so damn loud.. But great duo and never backed down from a challenge.

[Bless Mathews]

They were great but many duos were better.

Name me 10 better point guard / power forward duos.

No way.

[CAstill]

Loved watching them play especially in the 95-96 Season... Killed me that Kemp was having such a tough time in the finals against Rodman. When Kemp finally threw down a reverse dunk on Rodman... I was cheering so damn loud.. But great duo and never backed down from a challenge.


It's like you didn't even watch the games but wanted to sound like you had some sort of analysis. Kemp had no trouble with Rodman as he was the best player in the series and at that time the world. He was dominating the game, only problem was George Karls horrible coaching that let Hershey hawkins get torched for a couple of games by Jordan before letting Payton finally have his go at him. That mistake cost Seattle the chip that year. Kemp on the other hand fooled around with Rodman, destroyed pippen, and put Jordan on notice. He almost won the fmvp playing for the losing team over jordan, let that sink for a moment.

None of this is to say that Rodman didn't have an impact on defense or rebounding because he did but it was more in the team element and intangible realm more so than preventing Kemp from being effective because Kemp played elite.

[CAstill]

They're top 3

Kobe Shaq
Jordan Pippen
Kemp Payton

[ClipperRevival]

They had a hell of a run together, winning 55, 63, 57, 64 and 57 games from 1993 - 1997. They might've won a ring if they didn't have to face MJ.

[L.Kizzle]

They had a hell of a run together, winning 55, 63, 57, 64 and 57 games from 1993 - 1997. They might've won a ring if they didn't have to face MJ.
They underachieved for so many seasons. Were people shocked that they actually made it to the Finals in 96? Considering that they were out in the first round the previous two seasons with the best records in the West.

[ClipperRevival]

They underachieved for so many seasons. Were people shocked that they actually made it to the Finals in 96? Considering that they were out in the first round the previous two seasons with the best records in the West.

They had that historic meltdown in 1994 against the Nugz but they were the 4th seed in 1995. But yeah, they kind of did have that label because they were so talented. Sort of like the Clips of today I guess. But in the grand scheme of things, it's still impressive to put together a 5 year run like that. A lot of superstars never touch that type of team success.

[LAZERUSS]

Off the top of my head, these duos were/are better (in no particular order)
Wade/LeBron
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Stockton/Malone
Jordan/Pippen (duh)
Bird/McHale
Dr. J/Moses
Magic/Kareem
*Pre-1980
Russel and Cousy
Alcindor and Robertson
West and Chamberlain (close though)

These guys are we a disadvantage though strictly because they didn't win a title. That's a part of the game though; I'd say they're fringe top 10, you could argue them in there

Edit: if we're going strictly PG/PF duos, they're obviously higher, I was just thinking duos in general

Chamberlain played exactly one healthy season with West, and after shredding his knee he was never again close to the offensive force he had been. And then West missed one playoff season entirely, and was mediocre in two more.

Still, in their five seasons together, and when both were healthy...three Finals in three seasons (and four overall), and a dominating world championship in one.

For the record, a past-his-prime Oscar and a peak Kareem played four years together, and went two Finals, winning one.

I would say that the West-Wilt tandem was a greater tandem than the Oscar-KAJ duo.

Of course, had the Lakers pulled the trigger on a Wilt trade in the middle of the '64-65 season, and with a near prime Baylor, a prime West, and a prime Wilt... likely several titles.

[Bless Mathews]

What about KJ/Barkley?


Kj is one of the most underrated point guards ever, but not better than kemp Payton.

Their chemistry was some of the best I ever seen.

What sets them apart.

[soots]

They were a strong duo. But id take any of the top 5 GOAT with any roleplayer than those 2.

[Fallen Angel]

I'd take Curry and Green over them.

[houston]

They underachieved for so many seasons. Were people shocked that they actually made it to the Finals in 96? Considering that they were out in the first round the previous two seasons with the best records in the West.


co sign this indeed

[MiseryCityTexas]

Criminally underrated.

glove - goat defender, great passer good mid range , smart hall of Famer.

Reign man- run the floor. Underrated low Poast game. Great back to the hoop on the block. Athletic freak.

Together, their chemistry sets them apart as one of goat duos. Lob city 20 years before lob city.

I put them way up there. Top 10 point guard/ power forward duo.

Yeah they are underrated by today's standards. Hell the youngsters of today's era don't even acknowledge him as one of the greatest point guards of all time.