Congress makes Obama admit Islamic State is committing genocide against Christians

[HitandRun Reggie]

...and other minority religions in the middle east. The Europeans have already done this a while back so, it was puzzling why the Obama administration was hesitating. In any case Congress sent a mandate to Obama to make a decision on whether genocide was taking place against Christians and others by ISIS, and it looks like he's going to side with Congress and the Europeans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/17/kerry-to-issue-statement-on-isis-and-genocide/

[UK2K]

...and other minority religions in the middle east. The Europeans have already done this a while back so, it was puzzling why the Obama administration was hesitating. In any case Congress sent a mandate to Obama to make a decision on whether genocide was taking place against Christians and others by ISIS, and it looks like he's going to side with Congress and the Europeans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/17/kerry-to-issue-statement-on-isis-and-genocide/

We can't call it genocide until we admit there is an enemy.

Our administration won't even say 'Islamic extremists' for fear of offending someone... so good luck on that whole getting it labeled genocide thing.

[NumberSix]

No, no, no. You guys have it all wrong. There's no cleansing because there is no particular group doing it. It's just a bunch of guys who are upset about global warming and a lack of jobs. That's all.

[Blue&Orange]

Oh yeah, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of Christians in the territories ISIS controls :roll: :lol :roll:


[QUOTE]Dozens of members of the International Association of Genocide Scholars signed a document last fall saying it believed the Islamic States has perpetrated genocide against

[UK2K]

No, no, no. You guys have it all wrong. There's no cleansing because there is no particular group doing it. It's just a bunch of guys who are upset about global warming and a lack of jobs. That's all.

Right. As I said, we won't even admit what's happening because we CANNOT offend anyone. Ever.

There is no ISIS, its just a mob of cross-dressing ninjas. Despite the fact that every other day in Europe, they're finding and arresting ISIS agents, most of which are planning to commit terrorist acts in the near future.

Until we can even say Radical Islam, this administration will never admit genocide is occurring, despite everybody else in the world unanimously agreeing that it is.

[UK2K]

Oh yeah, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of Christians in the territories ISIS controls :roll: :lol :roll:

Not anymore dumbass, that's what the thread is about...


Iraq's Christian population was about 1.5 million 10 years ago. Now, it's estimated there are only 500,000 still living there. The rest have either fled or been killed.

In Syria, of the 1.1 million Christians, about 600,000 have fled or died.

In the Middle East they call themselves by many names, including Assyrians, Syriac and Chaldeans, but they are all Christians hoping to practice their faith in peace.
That's from CNN in December.


When some right winger retard say something barely intelligent and coherent and with any basis on reality, please PM me, i will forward the info to my pals at the Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology of oxford university.

Shocker... someone who is willing to ignore all evidence in because he doesn't want to make Obama look bad.



The European Parliament has declared the wanton slaughter of Christians and other religious minorities by ISIS is tantamount to genocide.

In a historic move, members of Parliament passed a resolution this week calling the atrocities by the Islamic terror group "crimes against humanity" and calling for an investigation of their human rights abuses.

Members of the European Parliament say that what the Islamic terror group ISIS is doing to Christians and other religious minorities in Syria and Iraq amounts to "war crimes" and "genocide."

What do they know, right? Obama knows best. :lol

[NumberSix]

Oh yeah, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of Christians in the territories ISIS controls :roll: :lol :roll:





When some right winger retard say something barely intelligent and coherent and with any basis on reality, please PM me, i will forward the info to my pals at the Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology of oxford university.
This^ is how the left truly feels about Christians. It genuinely offends that people would have a problem with Christians being mistreated.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, no, no. You guys have it all wrong. There's no cleansing because there is no particular group doing it. It's just a bunch of guys who are upset about global warming and a lack of jobs. That's all.


Even if this was the case, I have one question to ask. What difference does it make??

[Blue&Orange]

You do realize Isis don't control all Syria and Iraq? Right? Population, Syria 18 million, Iraq 36 million.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-death-toll-18-800-killed-iraq-2-years-u-n499426

At least 18,802 civilians have been killed in Iraq in ISIS-linked violence in under two years, a United Nations report said Tuesday

Iraq's Christian population was about 1.5 million 10 years ago. Now, it's estimated there are only 500,000 still living there. The rest have either fled or been killed.
Oh yeah, the math is real solid 18.000 of all creeds killed > 1 million christians killed :applause: :applause:

And 10 years ago? Maybe it had something to do with some country invading Iraq and make it a really shitty place to be? No?

And Syria in the midst of a civil war, are you aware of it? right? look here ignorant redneck:

http://www.ibtimes.com/syrias-civilian-death-toll-number-isis-victims-2015-much-less-assad-regime-inflicted-2242839

More than 21,000 people were killed in the Syria conflict in 2015, most of them civilians, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, the Middle East Monitor reported. The report indicated the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS, has proved less deadly than the Syrian government this year;
Dunno maybe people are fleeing also because of the frigging civil war where the government kills more then ISIS. Maybe?

One question dumbass redneck, the cuckening of Germany, the migrants are Christians? Right? :roll:


I really thought that is was a known, undisputed fact, that Isis kills basically Muslims.

[Blue&Orange]

This^ is how the left truly feels about Christians. It genuinely offends that people would have a problem with Christians being mistreated.
What offends me it's right wing natzi propaganda.


If someone want to have a feel of what was to live in Germany during the Natzi regime, just needs to come to insidehoops off topic forum, and peruse the unending daily threads of ignorant racist disinformation.

[code green]

Oh yeah, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of Christians in the territories ISIS controls :roll: :lol :roll:





When some right winger retard say something barely intelligent and coherent and with any basis on reality, please PM me, i will forward the info to my pals at the Institute of Social and Cultural Anthropology of oxford university.


....there are.

I have family in Aleppo, which ISIS has controlled on and off at various points this year. I've had one aunt, and one cousin killed in an RPG attack, and a priest at my childhood church was moved there about 10 years ago and was kidnapped for a week for speaking up against violence against Christians.

Muslims are killing Muslims, predominately. No arguments there. But there are plenty of Christians in the crossfire.

[HitandRun Reggie]

....there are.

I have family in Aleppo, which ISIS has controlled on and off at various points this year. I've had one aunt, and one cousin killed in an RPG attack, and a priest at my childhood church was moved there about 10 years ago and was kidnapped for a week for speaking up against violence against Christians.

Muslims are killing Muslims, predominately. No arguments there. But there are plenty of Christians in the crossfire.

It's pointless to argue with this guy. He actually believes that if westerners pull out of the middle east and stop insulting their culture , Muslims will all instantly turn into scientists and mathematicians. He's batsh!t crazy.

[Bosnian Sajo]

wtf? Genocide against christians? You can't be serious, they are killing more Muslims than the rest put together x2. Smh, we used to this though, Muslim lives don't matter to anyone.

[Nick Young]

...and other minority religions in the middle east. The Europeans have already done this a while back so, it was puzzling why the Obama administration was hesitating. In any case Congress sent a mandate to Obama to make a decision on whether genocide was taking place against Christians and others by ISIS, and it looks like he's going to side with Congress and the Europeans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/17/kerry-to-issue-statement-on-isis-and-genocide/
Obama probably had some dumb idea in his head that by ignoring the genocidal bullshit committed by extremist muslims, and not calling them out on their shit, it would be easier to make peace with them.:hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

wtf? Genocide against christians? You can't be serious, they are killing more Muslims than the rest put together x2. Smh, we used to this though, Muslim lives don't matter to anyone.
That doesn't mean they aren't ALSO comitting genocide against Christians, in particular Coptic Christians, and other groups.


the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/genocide?s=t

Yep. ISIS and other extremist muslims groups are definitely trying to wipe out the Christians, and are targeting them because of their religion. Genocide is a fitting term.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Nope.

[Nick Young]

Nope.
ISIS is definitely targeting Christians for murder and trying to wipe them out.

Textbook definition of genocide.
Here's your boy John Kerry talking about it:


Kerry: ISIS Is Committing Genocide Against Yazidis, Christians and Shiite Muslims

Secretary of State John Kerry said Thursday that ISIS has been committing genocide against religious minorities in the Middle East — just the second time the executive branch has used the term in relation to an ongoing conflict.

The formal designation comes days after the House passed a nonbinding resolution by a 393-0 vote condemning ISIS atrocities as genocide.

"Daesh is genocidal by self proclamation, by ideology and by actions," Kerry said in a televised address, using another name for the Sunni militant group. "We must recognize what Daesh is doing to its victims."

"Naming these crimes is important but what is essential is to stop them," he added.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/kerry-designate-isis-atrocities-genocide-n540706

Why would you deny it dude? :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

John Kerry is not my boy, it's not genocide if there is another group of people with far more casualties than the one you are talking about.


So no, nah.




EDIT: this entire time you've been saying christians, the quote you provided actually includes some Muslims, but still it doesn't stress just how much more Muslims are dying that christians. Far greater numbers, buddy.

[Nick Young]

John Kerry is not my boy, it's not genocide if there is another group of people with far more casualties than the one you are talking about.


So no, nah.




EDIT: this entire time you've been saying christians, the quote you provided actually includes some Muslims, but still it doesn't stress just how much more Muslims are dying that christians. Far greater numbers, buddy.
That doesn't mean that Christians aren't also being genocided against. ISIS is comitting genocide against several groups, including many Muslim groups, and including Christians, in particular Coptic Christians who they are trying to completely wipe out of existence.

Genocide against the Sunnis, genocide against the Christians, genocide against the Yazidis.


Was the Turkish genocide against the Armenians NOT GENOCIDE because there were more Turks than Armenians living in Armenia?:hammerhead:

There are several genocides going on under ISIS' watch.


This isn't about ignoring Muslim victims. Sunnis are victims of genocide too. As are the Christians. As are the Yazidis, as would be the Kurds if they weren't so armed and well organized.

[Bosnian Sajo]

The title of this thread sure makes it seem like we being ignored, but ok nick.

[Nick Young]

Maybe most Americans ignore the Muslim victims, I personally don't.

[UK2K]

You do realize Isis don't control all Syria and Iraq? Right? Population, Syria 18 million, Iraq 36 million.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-death-toll-18-800-killed-iraq-2-years-u-n499426


Oh yeah, the math is real solid 18.000 of all creeds killed > 1 million christians killed :applause: :applause:

And 10 years ago? Maybe it had something to do with some country invading Iraq and make it a really shitty place to be? No?

And Syria in the midst of a civil war, are you aware of it? right? look here ignorant redneck:

http://www.ibtimes.com/syrias-civilian-death-toll-number-isis-victims-2015-much-less-assad-regime-inflicted-2242839

Dunno maybe people are fleeing also because of the frigging civil war where the government kills more then ISIS. Maybe?

One question dumbass redneck, the cuckening of Germany, the migrants are Christians? Right? :roll:


I really thought that is was a known, undisputed fact, that Isis kills basically Muslims.

The Christians have been killed.

Its funny, you are defending our administrations denial of whats been taking place, but yet, now we are also agreeing its genocide. But you're right, this isn't nearly half as bad as the genocide taking place against Christians in Nigeria.

You are arguing with yourself, and only yourself. Everyone, including Europe and now our own government, agree that what is going on is genocide.

Awfully lonely out there by yourself eh?

EDIT: If I had called you a name, any name, leftists on here would jump all over me. Dumbass redneck? Good one. How many rednecks do you know with Filipino mothers? :lol

Run along now. Deny the mass murder somewhere else.

[Nick Young]

The Christians have been killed.

Its funny, you are defending our administrations denial of whats been taking place, but yet, now we are also agreeing its genocide. But you're right, this isn't nearly half as bad as the genocide taking place against Christians in Nigeria.

You are arguing with yourself, and only yourself. Everyone, including Europe and now our own government, agree that what is going on is genocide.

Awfully lonely out there by yourself eh?

EDIT: If I had called you a name, any name, leftists on here would jump all over me. Dumbass redneck? Good one. How many rednecks do you know with Filipino mothers? :lol

Run along now. Deny the mass murder somewhere else.
Democrats and libs hate Asians nearly as much as they hate Jews and white people. They will use whatever bigoted insult is appropriate.

[NumberSix]

John Kerry is not my boy, it's not genocide if there is another group of people with far more casualties than the one you are talking about.


So no, nah.
You know more Russians were killed in the holocaust than Jews, right? 18 million people were killed in Nazi concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. 12 million weren't. There were more Christians killed by the Nazis than Jews. Are you gonna argue that there was no genocide against Jews?

Most people in WW2 were Christians. Of course most people killed were Christians. Most people in the Middle East are Muslims. Of course most people killed are Muslims.

[imdaman99]

You know more Russians were killed in the holocaust than Jews, right? 18 million people were killed in Nazi concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. 12 million weren't. There were more Christians killed by the Nazis than Jews. Are you gonna argue that there was no genocide against Jews?

Most people in WW2 were Christians. Of course most people killed were Christians. Most people in the Middle East are Muslims. Of course most people killed are Muslims.
Why does no one give a shit about the non-Jews killed in concentration camps? Is it because only certain groups' lives matter?

[Nick Young]

Why does no one give a shit about the non-Jews killed in concentration camps? Is it because only certain groups' lives matter?
Many people do give a shit about them. Anyone who knows the history of the holocaust knows about them. It is not hidden knowledge.

Gypsies, homosexuals, communists, trade unionists, Poles, Russians, all of them remember what happened.

In synagogue on holocaust services Jews pray for everyone lost in the holocaust, not just the Jews.

Polish and Russians sure as **** have not forgotten the Holocaust.


I don't hang out with gypsies but I don't think they've forgotten either.


Half of the entire Jewish population in the world was wiped out in the Holocaust, and the Jewish population size is only just now recovering and reaching the numbers it was at pre-Holocaust.



Do not attempt to put an anti-semetic spin on this. I know you are aching to, but this is not the conversation to bring that shit up.

The Russians were screwed in WWII too. By the Germans, as well as their own leadership who sent them out to die against the Nazis like lambs to the slaughter.


I can sure as **** gaurantee to you that no Russian has forgotten what happened to their people in WWII.

Many Russians today are still pretty pissed that the West gives them so little credit for their sacrifices in WWII.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You know more Russians were killed in the holocaust than Jews, right? 18 million people were killed in Nazi concentration camps. 6 million were Jews. 12 million weren't. There were more Christians killed by the Nazis than Jews. Are you gonna argue that there was no genocide against Jews?

Most people in WW2 were Christians. Of course most people killed were Christians. Most people in the Middle East are Muslims. Of course most people killed are Muslims.



18 million in the camps? Everywhere I look up it says 11 million, with 5 million being non-jewish.

[UK2K]

Democrats and libs hate Asians nearly as much as they hate Jews and white people. They will use whatever bigoted insult is appropriate.

Right, if you aren't on their side, you are a *whatever insult you can think of regardless of how baseless*.

Oh, and only one side is allowed to throw insults. I can't remember the last time I called anybody anything other than what they were... White, black, Muslim, Christian. When you read these boards, which is also true in life in general, 95% of the time some demeaning slur is being used, its by a leftist.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/a-girl-dropped-an-n-bomb-on-another-girl-looking-for-a-fight-and-oh-man-did-it-not-go-well-for-her/

Just saw this yesterday. And the girl who dropped the N bomb? Well, she
was posting support for #BLM online. A leftist white chick, who supports #BLM, calling someone a ******.

Shocking I tell ya.

http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/16/Screen-Shot-2016-03-16-at-4.30.22-PM.jpg?5e29d3

[UK2K]

18 million in the camps? Everywhere I look up it says 11 million, with 5 million being non-jewish.

Number of Deaths

Jews: up to 6 million

Soviet civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)

Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers)

Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites)

Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina): 312,000

People with disabilities living in institutions: up to 250,000

Roma (Gypsies): 196,000

[Dresta]

I hesitate to call it genocide, just because the scale of it hasn't been that great; they are certainly a terribly persecuted religious minority though, and the Middle East (and much of North Africa) is quickly becoming unliveable for Christians. Genocide is now being (and has been for a while) used as a term to encourage western interventionism. What happened in Bosnia was no genocide either, but it is called that--set against that standard, IS is committing genocide against Christians and Yazidis and Shia Muslims--but this is a devaluation of a word that only ought to be used in exceptional circumstances.


Why does no one give a shit about the non-Jews killed in concentration camps? Is it because only certain groups' lives matter?
Errr.. they do, it's just the systematic nature of nazi Jew hunting was something else, and there was rightly a different and more extreme term applied to it. This is coming from someone whose Great Grandfather was in a nazi camp for the crime of being a Polish male who could be worked half to death, and who has two Grandparents that grew up in nazi-occupied Warsaw. Nazi soldiers could (and did) kill Poles for no reason with impunity, but they weren't systematically executed--that is the difference.

What the Nazis did to the Poles was despicable, but it wasn't the same as what they did to the Jews--that shit was next level depraved.

[Trollsmasher]

I see that some posters (no surprise with those names) are trying to imply that muslims are also genociding other muslims. That is however not true as those people are not deliberately targeted.

There is no genocide going against muslims. Only against Christians and other minority groups as those are all deliberately targeted for extinction.

[NumberSix]

I see that some posters (no surprise with those names) are trying to imply that muslims are also genociding other muslims. That is however not true as those people are not deliberately targeted.

There is no genocide going against muslims. Only against Christians and other minority groups as those are all deliberately targeted for extinction.
You have to understand that the left wing point of view is that Christians have no business even being there. Forget that these Christians have been there before islam even existed, but it's the same way the left feels about Jews being in Israel. The left truly believes that these are people that have no right to be there.

[Trollsmasher]

You have to understand that the left wing point of view is that Christians have no business even being there. Forget that these Christians have been there before islam even existed, but it's the same way the left feels about Jews being in Israel. The left truly believes that these are people that have no right to be there.
give them some space and they'll tell you Christianity there is a product of Wstern imperialism:lol

[poido123]

wtf? Genocide against christians? You can't be serious, they are killing more Muslims than the rest put together x2. Smh, we used to this though, Muslim lives don't matter to anyone.


Muslims aren't the most accountable people.


If they are committing atrocities on the innocent, they will blame the West or Europe over the other side of the world.

Admitting a problem in Islam doesn't mean you are yourself to blame. Owning it and accepting the atrocities by others in the name of Allah is recognising that there is issues with the interpretation of the Quran and that better education adnd teaching from the Imam's can help prevent the radicalism.

[Overdrive]

We can't call it genocide until we admit there is an enemy.

Our administration won't even say 'Islamic extremists' for fear of offending someone... so good luck on that whole getting it labeled genocide thing.

It's not about offending, the US supported rebel armys to get rid of an more or less atheistic dictator, as they did in Lybia. Turns out a big part of those rebels start a (para) militaristic regime and try to wipe out everything that isn't hardcore psychotic muslim bullshit, including attacking western nations on their home soil.

Everytime an arab nation gets a dose of the western attempt of democracy they chose backwards thinking religious idiots and the US is the biggest force in trying to democratize northern africa and the middle east.

Admitting genocides and similar would be admitting that the US severely failed in their foreign policies. It's not just Obama, Bush had a hand in this aswell, but both are and were shit presidents when it comes to this.

[Lakersfamftw]

wtf? Genocide against christians? You can't be serious, they are killing more Muslims than the rest put together x2. Smh, we used to this though, Muslim lives don't matter to anyone.

F off you Muslim tw@t. You idiot terrist queer. They're targeting Christians and you know it. Who gives a crap if it's between themselves. But when you're targeting Christians who didn't bother you that wrong.typival of a Muslim to defend that. Idiot.

[Blue&Orange]

The Christians have been killed.

Its funny, you are defending our administrations denial of whats been taking place, but yet, now we are also agreeing its genocide. But you're right, this isn't nearly half as bad as the genocide taking place against Christians in Nigeria.

You are arguing with yourself, and only yourself. Everyone, including Europe and now our own government, agree that what is going on is genocide.

Awfully lonely out there by yourself eh?

EDIT: If I had called you a name, any name, leftists on here would jump all over me. Dumbass redneck? Good one. How many rednecks do you know with Filipino mothers? :lol

Run along now. Deny the mass murder somewhere else.

You do realize Isis don't control all Syria and Iraq? Right? Population, Syria 18 million, Iraq 36 million.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-death-toll-18-800-killed-iraq-2-years-u-n499426

At least 18,802 civilians have been killed in Iraq in ISIS-linked violence in under two years, a United Nations report said Tuesday

Iraq's Christian population was about 1.5 million 10 years ago. Now, it's estimated there are only 500,000 still living there. The rest have either fled or been killed.
Oh yeah, the math is real solid 18.000 of all creeds killed > 1 million christians killed :applause: :applause:

And 10 years ago? Maybe it had something to do with some country invading Iraq and make it a really shitty place to be? No?

And Syria in the midst of a civil war, are you aware of it? right? look here ignorant redneck:

http://www.ibtimes.com/syrias-civilian-death-toll-number-isis-victims-2015-much-less-assad-regime-inflicted-2242839

More than 21,000 people were killed in the Syria conflict in 2015, most of them civilians, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, the Middle East Monitor reported. The report indicated the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS, has proved less deadly than the Syrian government this year;
Dunno maybe people are fleeing also because of the frigging civil war where the government kills more then ISIS. Maybe?

One question dumbass redneck, the cuckening of Germany, the migrants are Christians? Right? :roll:


I really thought that is was a known, undisputed fact, that Isis kills basically Muslims.
Now please tell me where did i made an argument against genocide. Yes a genocide is going on, where Christians are a tiny footnote.

You don't even have enough intelligence to master letters, words, sentences, and still you try to argue with people.


Now maybe you can tell me who gives a shit if US calls it a genocide or not? What difference does it make to the world. Please elaborate how things changed now that the US officially said genocide was happening. Not a single **** was given, like not a single **** was given before by anyone but dumb right wing rednecks.