Mexicans love the idea of a wall

[9erempiree]

:confusedshrug:

http://imgur.com/DnOc1x3

[UK2K]

[QUOTE]According to the head of customs for Mexico

[navy]

Im not entirely opposed to a wall, but what exactly is the basis for such a large scale creation? Last time I checked illegal immigration from jumping the border wasnt a significant number and dont most illegals simply overstay their legal visas? Doesnt it seem like the both sides are making this such a big issue to get votes?

[NumberSix]

Keep it real. Mexico is against the wall because they want the drug money to keep flowing into their country.

Also, illegals send about $20 billion a year back to family members in Mexico. Mexico doesn't want the illegal immigration and drug trafficking to stop. Mexico is basically a hostile nation.

Mexico also claims that cartels keep bringing in guns from the US. well, if that's true, they should be in favor of a wall. Unless they're being paid off by the cartels, but that would be a crazy suggestion, right?

[NumberSix]

Im not entirely opposed to a wall, but what exactly is the basis for such a large scale creation? Last time I checked illegal immigration from jumping the border wasnt a significant number and dont most illegals simply overstay their legal visas?
Yeah, it's only 60%. Not significant at all.

A wall won't completely eliminate illegal immigrant. But it will drastically reduce it.

[9erempiree]

There are some dumb Mexicans out there and they are hypocrites.

My American friend, whose parents are from Mexico, told me just how crap Mexico is.

[navy]

Yeah, it's only 60%. Not significant at all.
Thought I heard it was less, source?

[DonDadda59]

Keep it real. Mexico is against the wall because they want the drug money to keep flowing into their country.

Also, illegals send about $20 billion a year back to family members in Mexico. Mexico doesn't want the illegal immigration and drug trafficking to stop. Mexico is basically a hostile nation.

Mexico also claims that cartels keep bringing in guns from the US. well, if that's true, they should be in favor of a wall. Unless they're being paid off by the cartels, but that would be a crazy suggestion, right?

Do people actually think that a giant wall is going to stop drugs and money from coming in or out of the Country? I thought everyone who supported the idea was doing so tongue-in-cheek, ironically, trolling, etc... But you mean to tell me that some people REALLY think we're living in the 200s BC? :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

Lasers like in a museum

[StephHamann]

DBut you mean to tell me that some people REALLY think we're living in the 200s BC? :confusedshrug:

The Berlin wall worked, and that was only 30 years ago.

[kurple]

Keep it real. Mexico is against the wall because they want the drug money to keep flowing into their country.

Also, illegals send about $20 billion a year back to family members in Mexico. Mexico doesn't want the illegal immigration and drug trafficking to stop. Mexico is basically a hostile nation.

Mexico also claims that cartels keep bringing in guns from the US. well, if that's true, they should be in favor of a wall. Unless they're being paid off by the cartels, but that would be a crazy suggestion, right?
You are stupid as **** if you think a wall will stop the drug flow.. Just makes it more expensive and make the druglords richer and the american junkies poorer

[kurple]

Do people actually think that a giant wall is going to stop drugs and money from coming in or out of the Country? I thought everyone who supported the idea was doing so tongue-in-cheek, ironically, trolling, etc... But you mean to tell me that some people REALLY think we're living in the 200s BC? :confusedshrug:
Numbersix is a proven idiot

[NumberSix]

Do people actually think that a giant wall is going to stop drugs and money from coming in or out of the Country? I thought everyone who supported the idea was doing so tongue-in-cheek, ironically, trolling, etc... But you mean to tell me that some people REALLY think we're living in the 200s BC? :confusedshrug:
No. :hammerhead:

Do you think the city you live in should have police? Do you think having police means there will be no crime? Do you think that because even if we have police, there will still be some crime, we might as well not have police at all?

Why is this issue always all or nothing with you people? NOBODY thinks the wall is going to stop 100% of illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

[UK2K]

You are stupid as **** if you think a wall will stop the drug flow.. Just makes it more expensive and make the druglords richer and the american junkies poorer

Its only more expensive because the people given the responsibility to build the wall are wasting money every time you turn around.


According to a Government Accountability Office 2009 report, the cost to build 1 mile of fencing at the border averaged between $2.8 million and $3.9 million.

Why the **** does one mile of wall cost $4 million to build?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.982327.1322152236!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/border25n-1-web.jpg

Millions for that?? THAT?? I want that ****ing job. $4 million to build a fence that costs you a few hundred dollars in material. I'll do it for that price.

You see these 'projections' of what the wall would cost that are saying $20 billion, but it wouldn't be anywhere close to that if you people were held accountable for the money they are in charge of.

Anyway, I've said before on here, a few dozen UAV's could cover all the inhospitable land from the ocean to the gulf. They're reasonably cheap when given the alternative, can cover vast distances quickly, and can fly for hours. 100 UAV operators could watch our entire border, with a few dozen helicopter teams to fly in and scoop up the illegals once they're identified. Thermal imaging keeps them from hiding at night. Win/win for everyone.

[DonDadda59]

The Berlin wall worked, and that was only 30 years ago.

The Berlin Wall was only about 90 miles long and there were military personnel from different countries manning it... And people still managed to get through.

The U.S. already has a fence with cameras/sensors/etc and border patrol spanning 700+ miles (about 8x the length of the Berlin Wall).

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/01/mexico-border-fence.jpg

Anyone who thinks a f*cking wall is going to do anything is a goddamn fool. No way around it, pun intended.

[UK2K]

The Berlin Wall was only about 90 miles long and there were military personnel from different countries manning it... And people still managed to get through.

The U.S. already has a fence with cameras/sensors/etc and border patrol spanning 700+ miles (about 8x the length of the Berlin Wall).

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/01/mexico-border-fence.jpg

Anyone who thinks a f*cking wall is going to do anything is a goddamn fool. No way around it, pun intended.

Anyone who thinks locking their ****ing door will keep a burglar out is a goddamn fool.

You must leave your doors unlocked cause you know it won't stop them.

[9erempiree]

Anyone who thinks locking their ****ing door will keep a burglar out is a goddamn fool.

You must leave your doors unlocked cause you know it won't stop them.

Going by his logic...he probably doesn't have a door or needs one.:rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

Anyone who thinks locking their ****ing door will keep a burglar out is a goddamn fool.

You must leave your doors unlocked cause you know it won't stop them.
Idiot: "Any security measure that isn't 100% effective must not be put in place at all"

Normal: "but what if it reduces like 85%?"

Idiot: "FCUK YOU BUDDY! IT'S 100% OR NOTHING!"

[fiddy]

The Berlin Wall was only about 90 miles long and there were military personnel from different countries manning it... And people still managed to get through.

The U.S. already has a fence with cameras/sensors/etc and border patrol spanning 700+ miles (about 8x the length of the Berlin Wall).

http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/01/mexico-border-fence.jpg

Anyone who thinks a f*cking wall is going to do anything is a goddamn fool. No way around it, pun intended.
Anyone who thinks a wall is non-factor is absolutely retarded.

[nathanjizzle]

Its only more expensive because the people given the responsibility to build the wall are wasting money every time you turn around.



Why the **** does one mile of wall cost $4 million to build?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.982327.1322152236!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/border25n-1-web.jpg


geez ur stupid

[UK2K]

geez ur stupid

You hit the reply button to type out a message to me that says 'ur stupid'.

:confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

Mexicans love the idea of a wall as mentioned in my OP.

Don't know why people think that a wall doesn't work when it clearly works. It separates the scum...please reference OP.

[kurple]

Trump fam taking L's all over the place

[Zach LaVine]

Lol Mexcio loves walls as long as they are beneficial to them.

Shocker, the same thing the US is 'racist' for is the same thing Mexico has ALREADY done to their own southern border.

And the response to that? Crickets....
So should the US build a wall between US and Canada to avoid being hypocrits?

[NumberSix]

So should the US build a wall between US and Canada to avoid being hypocrits?
No.

[UK2K]

So should the US build a wall between US and Canada to avoid being hypocrits?

Is the flood of illegal immigrants coming from Canada?

We build the wall to address the problem. What's hypocritical about that? What, you want us to wall around the east and west coast too, cause its hypocritical to wall the land and not the water?

[DonDadda59]

Bless your hearts, you really think you're making sense. :oldlol:

Let's take drugs for example. As you may or may not know, Heroin has hit parts of this great nation like an H-bomb. Since the start of the new Millenium, 90% of first time users have been White people (http://time.com/135695/heroin-white-suburbs/) with 75% being outside of cities. Heroin is now clearly, a White suburban problem in America (Can't wait for the White version of 'The Wire' to premiere :applause: ).

So naturally, White suburban American junkies and their families are looking for someone to scapegoat for their rampant drug abuse. Mexico and the cartels seem like easy, logical targets. But when you use simple deductive and mathematical skills, you come up with a different conclusion.

You see, since we invaded Afghanistan (the World's largest producer of opium/poppy, the key ingredient in heroin), opium production has skyrocketed in that country. And, by coincidence of course, so has the number of heroin abusers in the U.S.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-5.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-2.jpg

Pure coincidence, clearly. It's obvious that Mexico is the cause of the heroin epidemic. :oldlol:

You really think putting up a wall will end or even put a dent in drug trafficking? Are we supposed to make believe the French Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection) or the Pizza Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial) weren't things in America's recent past?

The problem isn't El Chapo or the cartels, it's America's appetite for illicit drugs (and cheap manual labor), its reluctance to end the pointless prohibition model. You take the Mexican Cartels out of the equation, that just means the 'Ndrangheta or some other group elsewhere will pick up the slack. Might even have to talk about putting up a wall between us and Canada. :lol

Problems aren't solved by bumper sticker bullshit from con men.

[kurple]

Bless your hearts, you really think you're making sense. :oldlol:

Let's take drugs for example. As you may or may not know, Heroin has hit parts of this great nation like an H-bomb. Since the start of the new Millenium, 90% of first time users have been White people (http://time.com/135695/heroin-white-suburbs/) with 75% being outside of cities. Heroin is now clearly, a White suburban problem in America (Can't wait for the White version of 'The Wire' to premiere :applause: ).

So naturally, White suburban American junkies and their families are looking for someone to scapegoat for their rampant drug abuse. Mexico and the cartels seem like easy, logical targets. But when you use simple deductive and mathematical skills, you come up with a different conclusion.

You see, since we invaded Afghanistan (the World's largest producer of opium/poppy, the key ingredient in heroin), opium production has skyrocketed in that country. And, by coincidence of course, so has the number of heroin abusers in the U.S.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-5.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-2.jpg

Pure coincidence, clearly. It's obvious that Mexico is the cause of the heroin epidemic. :oldlol:

You really think putting up a wall will end or even put a dent in drug trafficking? Are we supposed to make believe the French Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection) or the Pizza Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial) weren't things in America's recent past?

The problem isn't El Chapo or the cartels, it's America's appetite for illicit drugs (and cheap manual labor), its reluctance to end the pointless prohibition model. You take the Mexican Cartels out of the equation, that just means the 'Ndrangheta or some other group elsewhere will pick up the slack. Might even have to talk about putting up a wall between us and Canada. :lol

Problems aren't solved by bumper sticker bullshit from con men.:applause:

[fiddy]

Bless your hearts, you really think you're making sense. :oldlol:

Let's take drugs for example. As you may or may not know, Heroin has hit parts of this great nation like an H-bomb. Since the start of the new Millenium, 90% of first time users have been White people (http://time.com/135695/heroin-white-suburbs/) with 75% being outside of cities. Heroin is now clearly, a White suburban problem in America (Can't wait for the White version of 'The Wire' to premiere :applause: ).

So naturally, White suburban American junkies and their families are looking for someone to scapegoat for their rampant drug abuse. Mexico and the cartels seem like easy, logical targets. But when you use simple deductive and mathematical skills, you come up with a different conclusion.

You see, since we invaded Afghanistan (the World's largest producer of opium/poppy, the key ingredient in heroin), opium production has skyrocketed in that country. And, by coincidence of course, so has the number of heroin abusers in the U.S.


Pure coincidence, clearly. It's obvious that Mexico is the cause of the heroin epidemic. :oldlol:

You really think putting up a wall will end or even put a dent in drug trafficking? Are we supposed to make believe the
The problem isn't El Chapo or the cartels, it's America's appetite for illicit drugs (and cheap manual labor), its reluctance to end the pointless prohibition model. You take the Mexican Cartels out of the equation, that just means the 'Ndrangheta or some other group elsewhere will pick up the slack. Might even have to talk about putting up a wall between us and Canada. :lol

Problems aren't solved by bumper sticker bullshit from con men.

Why dont you just shut up already, its painfully obvious that you have major flaws in your cognitive processes.

[Back In Shape]

Republicans want a wall, liberals say they are concerned it won't work. Solution, have the Israelis build it. Theirs work with 99% efficiency. Problem solved.

[NumberSix]

Republicans want a wall, liberals say they are concerned it won't work. Solution, have the Israelis build it. Theirs work with 99% efficiency. Problem solved.
Yeah, but 1% of the time it doesn't work. People can still get through, so you shouldn't have it at all.

[DonDadda59]

Why dont you just shut up already, its painfully obvious that you have major flaws in your cognitive processes.

Kill yourself.

[UK2K]

I thought the heroin problem was due to global warming?

After all, the number of overdoses goes up just like the 'average temperature' goes up.

One must be related to the other.

*Insert unrelated charts that look similar so I can shift blame*

[fiddy]

Kill yourself.

Stay salty, clueless humanoid tool.

If you dont think that Mexican cartels have anything to do with heroin trafficking in the U.S., you basically have no clue what are you blabbing about.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-heroin-coming-from-mexican-cartels

[kurple]

Yeah, but 1% of the time it doesn't work. People can still get through, so you shouldn't have it at all.
You are so ****ing stupid.. There are thousands of tunnels that go from Mexico to Texas. You wont even notice a decline in foreign drugs


Trump should be pushing for a gian moat instead

[kurple]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Moat_of_Royal_Wall_At_Ceuta_2.jpg

[DonDadda59]

I thought the heroin problem was due to global warming?

After all, the number of overdoses goes up just like the 'average temperature' goes up.

One must be related to the other.

*Insert unrelated charts that look similar so I can shift blame*

Stop embarrassing yourself. :facepalm

If it makes you feel any better, opium cultivation in Mexico has increased greatly as well in the past decade+. But they ain't got shit on the people we 'liberated' in Afghanistan.


Afghanistan’s opium production has always been a threat to global security and since the past decade, it has been more so. Despite 10 years of US-led war on the nation, opium production in Afghanistan reached a stupendous record-high in 2013 and we are yet to see what the next year has to bring. In fact, this year, Afghanistan has produced more opium than rest of the world combined! The cultivation this year amounted to some 209,000 hectares as opposed to the previous-highest of 193,000 hectares in 2007. Moreover, it is a 36% increase in production since the last year. The illegal trade however is playing havoc on the economy of the country and undermining its security too. Afghanistan has been marked at an export value of 4 billion dollars, where only a quarter goes to the opium farmers. The rest travels back to the drug trafficking dealers, warlords and the district officials.

ISIS and the heroin epidemic... The real legacy of us bringing freedom fries to the Middle East. :applause:

We go into Afghanistan, opium cultivation reaches never-before seen heights... At the same time, White America gets hooked on opiates at record, never-before seen numbers.

Pure coincidence.

Blaming Mexicans or anyone else for being a junkie is like people suing cigarette companies after getting lung cancer or McDonald's because you are an obese diabetic.

Actually solving problems takes a bit of soul searching. But bumper stickers and dramatic hand gestures are a whole lot more fun. The wall just got ten feet higher! It's gonna be YUUUUUUUUUUUUGE :banana:

[UK2K]

You are so ****ing stupid.. There are thousands of tunnels that go from Mexico to Texas. You wont even notice a decline in foreign drugs


Trump should be pushing for a gian moat instead

Then we can hire more people once we stop spending money on prosecuting thousands and thousands of illegal criminals every year.


American taxpayers paid approximately $1.87 billion to house imprisoned illegal immigrants in fiscal year 2014


How many more border guards can we hire with $2 billion?

[fiddy]

We go into Afghanistan, opium cultivation reaches never-before seen heights... At the same time, White America gets hooked on opiates at record, never-before seen numbers.

Pure coincidence.

Blaming Mexicans or anyone else for being a junkie is like people suing cigarette companies after getting lung cancer or McDonald's because you are an obese diabetic.

Actually solving problems takes a bit of soul searching. But bumper stickers and dramatic hand gestures are a whole lot more fun. :banana:



New level of cringe-worthy. :roll: One of the factors of the heroin epidemic is the addiction to pharmaceutical opiates, which are harder and more expensive to come by. Plenty of addicts, who start on Oxycontin end up on heroin, because of the reasons cited above. In the Business Insider article i posted above the DEA says that heroin in the U.S. comes from Mexico and Columbia. :roll: Mindless tool, keep on drawing pointless parallels and just stop derailing the topic.

[Back In Shape]

You are so ****ing stupid.. There are thousands of tunnels that go from Mexico to Texas. You wont even notice a decline in foreign drugs


Trump should be pushing for a gian moat instead

Seismic tunnel detection technology is getting more advanced and cheaper every year. It is currently being used to find locate border tunnels all around the world including the US-Mexico border.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Stop embarrassing yourself. :facepalm

If it makes you feel any better, opium cultivation in Mexico has increased greatly as well in the past decade+. But they ain't got shit on the people we 'liberated' in Afghanistan.

[INDENT]Afghanistan

[DonDadda59]

Ok, and that's cool and all. They use the drugs in the ME like its candy. But the truth is...



You were saying...?

A whole lot of nothing, as usual.

Simple math, broseph.


But the DEA, White House and other official US sources claim that US heroin derives almost entirely (96%) from Latin American opium (based on seizures of shipments); the DEA in 2014 claimed that Latin America was the source for the vast majority of US heroin, with southwest Asia (i.e., Afghanistan) accounting for only 4% of US heroin in 2012.

This is highly unlikely. In 2008, the UN estimated that the US and Canada accounted for 13% of global heroin use. With about 95% of global heroin derived from Afghanistan, Burma, Thailand and Laos, Latin America (mainly Mexico with a small amount from Colombia) does not produce enough to supply the majority of US heroin, let alone 96%. In fact, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy undercuts this claim when it says Mexico had 10,500 hectares under poppy cultivation in 2012, while Afghanistan alone had 154,000 hectares in 2012 and 224,000 hectares in 2014, per UN estimates.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/09/the-real-afghanistan-surge-is-in-heroin-production-and-tripled-opium-cultivation-since-the-us-military-arrived-un-and-us-government-documents.html


And This (http://www.banderasnews.com/1101/nr-afghanheroin.htm)

But again... It's not really a question of the source of the opium. Without White suburbanites insatiable hunger for heroin, El Chapo would be selling oranges on a dirt road in Guadalajara.

As long as the market is there, there will always be a supplier.

[fiddy]

As long as the market is there, there will always be a supplier.
What does that have anything to do with walls?

[UK2K]

Simple math, broseph.
But again... It's not really a question of the source of the opium. Without White suburbanites insatiable hunger for heroin, El Chapo would be selling oranges on a dirt road in Guadalajara.

As long as the market is there, there will always be a supplier.

I personally don't care about drug use. If you want to OD on heroin, be my guest. Just don't steal my stuff to pay for it.

[DonDadda59]

What does that have anything to do with walls?

Points to the wall being a big useless waste of money. As effective as the fence we already have. If by some miracle you manage to put the Mexican cartels out of commission, someone else will pick up the slack. They can get heroin in through Canada (most likely already do which is why the NE is being ravaged by heroin). The Corsican mafia flooded the US with heroin coming through Canada in the 60s and 70s.

I'm sure they teach this in Business 101... If people stop purchasing your product, you'll go out of business. As long as there is a market for a product, there will always be a supplier.

[UK2K]

Points to the wall being a big useless waste of money. As effective as the fence we already have. If by some miracle you manage to put the Mexican cartels out of commission, someone else will pick up the slack. They can get heroin in through Canada (most likely already do which is why the NE is being ravaged by heroin). The Corsican mafia flooded the US with heroin coming through Canada in the 60s and 70s.

I'm sure they teach this in Business 101... If people stop purchasing your product, you'll go out of business. As long as there is a market for a product, there will always be a supplier.

The wall is stop illegal immigration. Where did stopping drug use come from?

Yes, it will slow it down, but there are other methods to stopping drugs from coming into the country. Nobody ever said a wall would stop that, because it won't unless you catch the drug mules.

[fiddy]

Points to the wall being a big useless waste of money. As effective as the fence we already have. If by some miracle you manage to put the Mexican cartels out of commission, someone else will pick up the slack. They can get heroin in through Canada (most likely already do which is why the NE is being ravaged by heroin). The Corsican mafia flooded the US with heroin coming through Canada in the 60s and 70s.

I'm sure they teach this in Business 101... If people stop purchasing your product, you'll go out of business. As long as there is a market for a product, there will always be a supplier.

Most illegal drugs come Mexico, but building a wall is a waste of money? Ok :roll:

[StephHamann]

The Berlin Wall was only about 90 miles long and there were military personnel from different countries manning it... And people still managed to get through.



Berlin wall was part of the inner german border which was 1,393 kilometres long and worked pretty well. Only 50k people managed to escape in 30 years.

[UK2K]

We can't stop every speeder... so no speed limits.

Hooray!

[ALBballer]

The wall is a useless with our current drug laws, immigration laws and so forth. It has been reported that the Mexican cartel has been losing business due to laws de-criminalizing marijuana in some states and if more measures were taken to legalize marijuana and other drugs and use the resources for the "drug war" for clinics for drug rehab then the Mexican cartel's drug business would cease to exist and they would have to find some other method of making money.

Immigration laws (i.e. Limiting social services for illegal immigration) and placing more regulations on business that hire illegal immigrants would reduce illegal immigration more than a wall.

[NumberSix]

Berlin wall was part of the inner german border which was 1,393 kilometres long and worked pretty well. Only 50k people managed to escape in 30 years.
50 thousand... 50 million... what's the difference? :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

Just feels like a billion+ dollar bandaid on a shotgun blast. There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money in the drug trade for a wall to be the least bit effective. These cartels have literally.....billions of dollars at stake. The fence clearly doesnt stop them. Why would a wall? These cartels are probably building tunnels every second of every day. Why wouldnt they? And they just hop into boats and go as far up the coast as needed to avoid detection.

I read a story on one that was going a couple hundred miles up the coast....and switching with an identical boat that belonged in a port there. They did that shit in open water and got away with it for who knows how long. You dont keep drugs out of a coutry with thousands of miles of coastline with a wall.

Not to mention....the air. San Diego and Tijuana are just one city with a fence in the middle. Granted...one side of the city is a lot more developed...but its pretty much one place. 40 million people go back and forth a year there. Well im sure it isnt 40 million different people...its 40 million trips. A lot either way. Its close enough they just fly drones if they have money....

If you think we need a wall...fine. Its no morally different than the fence already there. If you think its gonna really bother the drug trade you arent thinking it through. Drugs are among the only things that sell themselves....and people will pay what you charge no matter what. People hooked on drugs arent making rational decisions. THe cartles have more trouble getting them in...they just raise the price. And people will pay. Thats what addiction is. The cartel isnt just gonna take the L. It passes it on to customers. Border patrol and customs seize 150 thousand pounds of coke a year.

You think if the wall bumps that number to 180 the cartels really give a shit?

Crackheads will end up paying 30 dollars a rock instead of 20. And 100% of them will pay it.

Its drugs. They will sell.

Spending that money and expecting an impact on drugs is just insane. Just go with terrorism. Terror is a rational reason to give it a shot.

[NumberSix]

Just feels like a billion+ dollar bandaid on a shotgun blast. There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money in the drug trade for a wall to be the least bit effective. These cartels have literally.....billions of dollars at stake. The fence clearly doesnt stop them. Why would a wall? These cartels are probably building tunnels every second of every day. Why wouldnt they? And they just hop into boats and go as far up the coast as needed to avoid detection.

I read a story on one that was going a couple hundred miles up the coast....and switching with an identical boat that belonged in a port there. They did that shit in open water and got away with it for who knows how long. You dont keep drugs out of a coutry with thousands of miles of coastline with a wall.

Not to mention....the air. San Diego and Tijuana are just one city with a fence in the middle. Granted...one side of the city is a lot more developed...but its pretty much one place. 40 million people go back and forth a year there. Well im sure it isnt 40 million different people...its 40 million trips. A lot either way. Its close enough they just fly drones if they have money....

If you think we need a wall...fine. Its no morally different than the fence already there. If you think its gonna really bother the drug trade you arent thinking it through. Drugs are among the only things that sell themselves....and people will pay what you charge no matter what. People hooked on drugs arent making rational decisions. THe cartles have more trouble getting them in...they just raise the price. And people will pay. Thats what addiction is. The cartel isnt just gonna take the L. It passes it on to customers. Border patrol and customs seize 150 thousand pounds of coke a year.

You think if the wall bumps that number to 180 the cartels really give a shit?

Crackheads will end up paying 30 dollars a rock instead of 20. And 100% of them will pay it.

Its drugs. They will sell.

Spending that money and expecting an impact on drugs is just insane. Just go with terrorism. Terror is a rational reason to give it a shot.
Why are you guys suddenly acting like the sole purpose of the wall is to stop drug trafficking?

[UK2K]

Just feels like a billion+ dollar bandaid on a shotgun blast. There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money in the drug trade for a wall to be the least bit effective. These cartels have literally.....billions of dollars at stake. The fence clearly doesnt stop them. Why would a wall? These cartels are probably building tunnels every second of every day. Why wouldnt they? And they just hop into boats and go as far up the coast as needed to avoid detection.

I read a story on one that was going a couple hundred miles up the coast....and switching with an identical boat that belonged in a port there. They did that shit in open water and got away with it for who knows how long. You dont keep drugs out of a coutry with thousands of miles of coastline with a wall.

Not to mention....the air. San Diego and Tijuana are just one city with a fence in the middle. Granted...one side of the city is a lot more developed...but its pretty much one place. 40 million people go back and forth a year there. Well im sure it isnt 40 million different people...its 40 million trips. A lot either way. Its close enough they just fly drones if they have money....

If you think we need a wall...fine. Its no morally different than the fence already there. If you think its gonna really bother the drug trade you arent thinking it through. Drugs are among the only things that sell themselves....and people will pay what you charge no matter what. People hooked on drugs arent making rational decisions. THe cartles have more trouble getting them in...they just raise the price. And people will pay. Thats what addiction is. The cartel isnt just gonna take the L. It passes it on to customers. Border patrol and customs seize 150 thousand pounds of coke a year.

You think if the wall bumps that number to 180 the cartels really give a shit?

Crackheads will end up paying 30 dollars a rock instead of 20. And 100% of them will pay it.

Its drugs. They will sell.

Spending that money and expecting an impact on drugs is just insane. Just go with terrorism. Terror is a rational reason to give it a shot.

Again, not sure where this idea of a wall stopping drugs came from...

The wall stops illegal immigrants from flooding our country. Some of the drug trade will be affected by that, but the vast majority won't.

[Brujesino]

We can't stop every speeder... so no speed limits.

Hooray!
Getting rid of speed limits isnt going to cost us billions building a wall that wont work is.

[UK2K]

Getting rid of speed limits isnt going to cost us billions building a wall that wont work is.

Cleaning up wrecks doesn't cost anything? Since when? I guess insurance wouldn't go up either.

See, get rid of the speed limits. They obviously don't stop speeding.

[Kungfro]

Its only more expensive because the people given the responsibility to build the wall are wasting money every time you turn around.



Why the **** does one mile of wall cost $4 million to build?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.982327.1322152236!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/border25n-1-web.jpg

Millions for that?? THAT?? I want that ****ing job. $4 million to build a fence that costs you a few hundred dollars in material. I'll do it for that price.

You see these 'projections' of what the wall would cost that are saying $20 billion, but it wouldn't be anywhere close to that if you people were held accountable for the money they are in charge of.

Anyway, I've said before on here, a few dozen UAV's could cover all the inhospitable land from the ocean to the gulf. They're reasonably cheap when given the alternative, can cover vast distances quickly, and can fly for hours. 100 UAV operators could watch our entire border, with a few dozen helicopter teams to fly in and scoop up the illegals once they're identified. Thermal imaging keeps them from hiding at night. Win/win for everyone.

Lol, I can't even build a fence in my back yard with a few hundred dollars in materials.

[Akrazotile]

I'm not about the wall thing, for environmental and logistical reasons. Tbh it's not necessary. Just make it clear that if you're caught working or committing crime in this country undocumented, you are going to be held in a shitty prison cell for a long time before eventually being sent back. Do not allow illegals to get driver licenses. Do not give them health insurance. And do not allow anchor babies to give them citizenship.

Strong deterrents oughtta work well enough in place of a wall IMO. As it stands right now, there's basically no punishment for being here illegally. Wtf do we expect then??

[UK2K]

Lol, I can't even build a fence in my back yard with a few hundred dollars in materials.

I just had my privacy fence quoted at $3,200. Installation and labor included.

I have a big yard.

You give any normal person with common sense $2 million dollars per mile of fence, and they'll have all kinds of shit... moats, bunkers, you name it.

Just like you give the government money they spend that money on shrimp experiments and studies on why lesbians are fat. A normal person wouldn't waste the time, or the money.

Government waste has been, and probably always will be, the main problem for everything.

[Blue&Orange]

Yes a wall, how can someone beat a unguarded wall! :roll:


It's cringe worthy talking about a wall in 2016 with all the technology available. You guys spend more money in the army than the rest of the world combine, but drones, motions sensors, tech to find underground tunnels are out of question. You guys send drones to bomb other countries, but have to build a wall to stop illegal immigration. Hilarious.

How about hiring more people that actually, can not only guard but apprehend. More jobs, less unemployment, if you got a job you can spent money, better for US economy.


But i guess a WALL just sounds better to dumb rednecks.

[NumberSix]

Yes a wall, how can someone beat a unguarded wall! :roll:
Why would it be unguarded?

[TheMan]

Lol Mexcio loves walls as long as they are beneficial to them.

Shocker, the same thing the US is 'racist' for is the same thing Mexico has ALREADY done to their own southern border.

And the response to that? Crickets....
As a Mexican American, I have absolutely zero problems with the US building a wall along the US Mexico border, hell, build a giant bullet proof dome like in the Simpsons movie for all I give a fvck, but you're off your meds if you think Mexico should pay for it :yaohappy:

[Dr Seuss]

why not save a few billion and just hire a bunch of illegals to man the border full-time for us for minimum wage? :confusedshrug:

[fiddy]

why not save a few billion and just hire a bunch of illegals to man the border full-time for us for minimum wage? :confusedshrug:
Corruption? Why take the minimum wage, when they can take bribes from mexican cartels to keep they mouth shut and eyes closed at certain times.

[Blue&Orange]

Why would it be unguarded?
Oh so basically every inch of the wall would also be guarded? So why the wall? lol


One would think that after the daily abuse this right wing idiots take, they would learn to actually think before opening their mouths.

[Kungfro]

I just had my privacy fence quoted at $3,200. Installation and labor included.

I have a big yard.

You give any normal person with common sense $2 million dollars per mile of fence, and they'll have all kinds of shit... moats, bunkers, you name it.

Just like you give the government money they spend that money on shrimp experiments and studies on why lesbians are fat. A normal person wouldn't waste the time, or the money.

Government waste has been, and probably always will be, the main problem for everything.

Is it a mile long? Can it stop your neighbors from getting in?

[UK2K]

As a Mexican American, I have absolutely zero problems with the US building a wall across the US Mexico border, hell, build a giant bullet proof dome like in the Simpsons movie for all I give a fvck, but you're off your meds if you think Mexico should pay for it :yaohappy:

Welp, we give you millions of dollars per year.

So you will pay for it, or we'll take it out of your allowance. The choice is yours.

[UK2K]

Is it a mile long? Can it stop your neighbors from getting in?

Eh, almost a quarter mile.

Are you really arguing with me over whether or not the government is wasteful and/or possibly the least efficient spender on the planet?

My original argument was that $4 million per mile is stupid and in the real world, wouldn't be anywhere close to that. But, because government is in charge, that's what they're paying.

Agree or disagree?

Better yet, how much money do you think it would take to do a study on why lesbians are fat? Few hundred dollars? Few thousand? Go see what the government paid to do it. And then ask yourself, 'was this a good investment'?

[Kungfro]

Are you really arguing with me over whether or not the government is wasteful and/or possibly the least efficient spender on the planet?


No they absolutely are, and if these were government owned companies building it that might be an issue. If you had any idea how construction bids worked though you'd realize that isn't really the problem.

[Kblaze8855]

Why are you guys suddenly acting like the sole purpose of the wall is to stop drug trafficking?

That seemed to be the argument. The part that stood out at least. Awful lot up there about drug cartels and such and it just caught my eye.

Just isnt much of a case to be made there to me.

As I said....stick with terror. Nobody can deny that an easily crossed border makes it more likely people with evil intentions get in. You cant put a price on that.

Talking the drug aspect of it is a losing battle.

[Dresta]

Simple math, broseph.


But the DEA, White House and other official US sources claim that US heroin derives almost entirely (96%) from Latin American opium (based on seizures of shipments); the DEA in 2014 claimed that Latin America was the source for the vast majority of US heroin, with southwest Asia (i.e., Afghanistan) accounting for only 4% of US heroin in 2012.

This is highly unlikely. In 2008, the UN estimated that the US and Canada accounted for 13% of global heroin use. With about 95% of global heroin derived from Afghanistan, Burma, Thailand and Laos, Latin America (mainly Mexico with a small amount from Colombia) does not produce enough to supply the majority of US heroin, let alone 96%. In fact, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy undercuts this claim when it says Mexico had 10,500 hectares under poppy cultivation in 2012, while Afghanistan alone had 154,000 hectares in 2012 and 224,000 hectares in 2014, per UN estimates.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/09/the-real-afghanistan-surge-is-in-heroin-production-and-tripled-opium-cultivation-since-the-us-military-arrived-un-and-us-government-documents.html


And This (http://www.banderasnews.com/1101/nr-afghanheroin.htm)

But again... It's not really a question of the source of the opium. Without White suburbanites insatiable hunger for heroin, El Chapo would be selling oranges on a dirt road in Guadalajara.

As long as the market is there, there will always be a supplier.
God damn you're stupid. If it is harder to get into the country the price goes up and the demand goes down (now, demand for drugs is inelastic, but pretending an increase will have no effect is plain idiotic). US customs are pretty rigorous, porous borders are not.

You're either being wilfully obtuse, or have some kind of serious mental impairment.

Not to mention that according to DonDadda's economics 101 this will be a nice boost to productivity and jobs: a lot of labour is gonna be necessary to build a massive wall. Lots of money spent on building a wall = higher GDP = economic growth!! I don't believe that shit, but you and your fellow Democrat dogmatists do. It's the same argument you use when you go: "deporting illegals will cause a recession because GDP will go down!!" You're really up to your neck in contradictions, but are too stupid to even recognise it.

[Brujesino]

:confusedshrug:

http://imgur.com/DnOc1x3
I dont get it. Why did you post a photoshopped pic?

[UK2K]

No they absolutely are, and if these were government owned companies building it that might be an issue. If you had any idea how construction bids worked though you'd realize that isn't really the problem.
Yeah?

How about this construction bid?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/11/201195870/a-34-million-waste-of-the-taxpayers-money-in-afghanistan

It really is the problem. You are given X amount of dollars for a project. You use every last dollar because if you don't, the next time you ask for money, they won't give you as much.

That's how the VA became the disaster it is. They use all the money, not because they needed it, but because if they didn't and someone realized they don't need as much money as they really do, then next time their budget is getting cut.


It's the latest in a string of reports on waste from Sopko, who recently detailed how the U.S. spent more than $770 million on aircraft for Afghanistan that its military can't use. In some cases, the best solution to the problem may simply be to demolish the facilities and destroy the equipment.

"If Congress appropriates the money, they will spend it," Sopko says of the U.S. military's construction arm, in a conversation with NPR's Robert Siegel on today's All Things Considered.

Because these are private companies, you think they are above corruption and waste? Lolololololololololol. Tell me you don't really believe that.

[Kungfro]

Yeah?

How about this construction bid?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/11/201195870/a-34-million-waste-of-the-taxpayers-money-in-afghanistan


Yea that's a colossal waste of money, but that has nothing to do with construction bids and what I'm talking about. I already told you that I agree the government wastes a lot of money.

[TheMan]

Welp, we give you millions of dollars per year.

So you will pay for it, or we'll take it out of your allowance. The choice is yours.
Well, I hope you realize most of the foreign aid the US sends to Mexico is used to pay for some of the financial costs of Mexico fighting the drug cartels, because you degenerate drug fiends can't lay off those drugs...

So go right ahead and take away our "allowance", that way Mexico has a great reason to not fight the cartels anymore, violence in Mexico will go down, the USA will be flooded by drugs like never before...everyone's happy. :lol

The choice is yours.

[DonDadda59]

God damn you're stupid. If it is harder to get into the country the price goes up and the demand goes down (now, demand for drugs is inelastic, but pretending an increase will have no effect is plain idiotic). US customs are pretty rigorous, porous borders are not.

You're either being wilfully obtuse, or have some kind of serious mental impairment.

Not to mention that according to DonDadda's economics 101 this will be a nice boost to productivity and jobs: a lot of labour is gonna be necessary to build a massive wall. Lots of money spent on building a wall = higher GDP = economic growth!! I don't believe that shit, but you and your fellow Democrat dogmatists do. It's the same argument you use when you go: "deporting illegals will cause a recession because GDP will go down!!" You're really up to your neck in contradictions, but are too stupid to even recognise it.

Carrying your girlfriend's purse around Europe really got your panties in a bunch. Haven't seen anyone this mad since they took the McRib off the menu. God damn. :eek:

[bladefd]

Carrying your girlfriend's purse around Europe really got your panties in a bunch. Haven't seen anyone this mad since they took the McRib off the menu. God damn. :eek:

Dresta has a girlfriend? I thought he was some 40yr old nerd sitting in his 70yr old parents basement taking his anger out on ISH with his thesaurus. :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Dresta has a girlfriend? I thought he was some 40yr old nerd sitting in his 70yr old parents basement taking his anger out on ISH with his thesaurus. :roll:


My girlfriend just took a two year research masters in cognitive neuroscience (at one of the leading institutions in Europe, it's why i've been living in Amsterdam)


His girlfriend is jet setting through Europe doing bawse shit while he traveled halfway across the world to ride in her sidecar. I hear she keeps his balls in the purse she forces him to carry around. And now he spends his free time following me around the internet trying to get my attention. The inside of his cranium is my fortress of solitude.

Being cucked in real life makes for an angry, angry internet persona. Sad. :(

[UK2K]

Well, I hope you realize most of the foreign aid the US sends to Mexico is used to pay for some of the financial costs of Mexico fighting the drug cartels, because you degenerate drug fiends can't lay off those drugs...

So go right ahead and take away our "allowance", that way Mexico has a great reason to not fight the cartels anymore, violence in Mexico will go down, the USA will be flooded by drugs like never before...everyone's happy. :lol

The choice is yours.

Wrong.

In fact, less than a quarter of the aid is used for that. And since you seem to be doing a shitty job fighting the cartels with or without the aid, then there's no reason to keep providing it anyway.

$348 million in economic assistance
$71 million in military assistance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

We'll see how effective that wall is on your southern border. Wonder if anyone will make it over that one.

[TheMan]

Corruption? Why take the minimum wage, when they can take bribes from mexican cartels to keep they mouth shut and eyes closed at certain times.
It's not like US Border Patrol doesn't currently do that :yaohappy:

You think all that drug that goes into the US is done without ANY US corruption...how naive.

[Nick Young]

#notallwalls

[HitandRun Reggie]

It's not like US Border Patrol doesn't currently do that :yaohappy:

You think all that drug that goes into the US is done without ANY US corruption...how naive.

Even more reason to build a wall. You can't bribe walls.

[NumberSix]

I'm anti-wall.


#ElectrifiedFence

[UK2K]

It's not like US Border Patrol doesn't currently do that :yaohappy:

You think all that drug that goes into the US is done without ANY US corruption...how naive.
I knew a guy who was arrested for teaching the cartels room cleaning techniques.

Didn't know that was illegal. Guess so. There were 4 of them I think, army guys.

I also know Houston PD has been busted taking bribes several times.

$60k a year... or $10,000 a week to not patrol a neighborhood. Hmmm

[TheMan]

Wrong.

In fact, less than a quarter of the aid is used for that. And since you seem to be doing a shitty job fighting the cartels with or without the aid, then there's no reason to keep providing it anyway.

$348 million in economic assistance
$71 million in military assistance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

We'll see how effective that wall is on your southern border. Wonder if anyone will make it over that one.
LMAO, 348 million really isn't that much for a country the size of Mexico, so big deal :lol
You know, for a conservative (who are supossed to be weary of the gubment, you sure do take hook line and sinker every stat they put out there).

Do you honestly believe no corrupt US officials profit from the drug trade...all those billions out there and these guys who don't make that much, none of them are on the take, lmao.

Fool, GWB and his cabal LIED US INTO A WAR, (100% proof the government lies to us), you believing any BS the government spews at you shows just how naive you are :facepalm

[poido123]

Bless your hearts, you really think you're making sense. :oldlol:

Let's take drugs for example. As you may or may not know, Heroin has hit parts of this great nation like an H-bomb. Since the start of the new Millenium, 90% of first time users have been White people (http://time.com/135695/heroin-white-suburbs/) with 75% being outside of cities. Heroin is now clearly, a White suburban problem in America (Can't wait for the White version of 'The Wire' to premiere :applause: ).

So naturally, White suburban American junkies and their families are looking for someone to scapegoat for their rampant drug abuse. Mexico and the cartels seem like easy, logical targets. But when you use simple deductive and mathematical skills, you come up with a different conclusion.

You see, since we invaded Afghanistan (the World's largest producer of opium/poppy, the key ingredient in heroin), opium production has skyrocketed in that country. And, by coincidence of course, so has the number of heroin abusers in the U.S.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-5.jpg

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/cdc-us-overdose-deaths-2014_jr-2.jpg

Pure coincidence, clearly. It's obvious that Mexico is the cause of the heroin epidemic. :oldlol:

You really think putting up a wall will end or even put a dent in drug trafficking? Are we supposed to make believe the French Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection) or the Pizza Connection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial) weren't things in America's recent past?

The problem isn't El Chapo or the cartels, it's America's appetite for illicit drugs (and cheap manual labor), its reluctance to end the pointless prohibition model. You take the Mexican Cartels out of the equation, that just means the 'Ndrangheta or some other group elsewhere will pick up the slack. Might even have to talk about putting up a wall between us and Canada. :lol

Problems aren't solved by bumper sticker bullshit from con men.



So you point to heroin in the Wall argument and say case closed?


:confusedshrug:


Pretty sure that doesn't deal with the problems associated with Mexicans crossing into America illegally, many of which are from drug cartels. Of course America can't build a Wall from Afghanistan, but they can with Mexico.


So your argument is that America ignores the problems associated with Illegal immigration from mexico because Afghanistan is providing a major problem with heroin?


That is your reasoning?


:biggums:

[9erempiree]

His girlfriend is jet setting through Europe doing bawse shit while he traveled halfway across the world to ride in her sidecar. I hear she keeps his balls in the purse she forces him to carry around. And now he spends his free time following me around the internet trying to get my attention. The inside of his cranium is my fortress of solitude.

Being cucked in real life makes for an angry, angry internet persona. Sad. :(

I find this imaginary feud you have with Dresta quite hilarious.

Here we have a ghetto liberal Black dude from America feuding with an educated cultured Euro.

It can't get any better than that.

Welfare vs. Educated

A man who can barely type a sentence vs. a guy that can easily type an essay

[poido123]

I find this imaginary feud you have with Dresta quite hilarious.

Here we have a ghetto liberal Black dude from America feuding with an educated cultured Euro.

It can't get any better than that.

Welfare vs. Educated

A man who can barely type a sentence vs. a guy that can easily type an essay


I wouldn't say Don is uneducated. Misguided maybe, but he isn't stupid. I don't think he's from the projects either, he showed up some pics of himself, looked pretty normal to me.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Welp, we give you millions of dollars per year.

So you will pay for it, or we'll take it out of your allowance. The choice is yours.
Just like Trump to ship jobs to Mexico

[poido123]

Even more reason to build a wall. You can't bribe walls.



:roll:

[Dresta]

Carrying your girlfriend's purse around Europe really got your panties in a bunch. Haven't seen anyone this mad since they took the McRib off the menu. God damn. :eek:
Ignore that I just exposed you to be full of shit like always, and deflect, deflect, deflect, as you always do. Just like here, where I exposed the endless nonsense you post, and you ran away like a little girl:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12175276&postcount=42

And you know you don't get paid to study, right? I'm the one with most of the money, and it's called investing in someone you trust and believe in, helping to expand someone's horizons when their family doesn't give a shit and wants them to stay put (plus I have pretty decent contacts amongst scientists, which can help open a lot of doors). But I doubt you've ever experienced such a thing, or that kind of care for another person, in what looks from here to be a profoundly sad and hollow existence; flippancy and frivolity aren't virtues you know, and they are the most marked features of your character, along with your rather juvenile irreverence. Oh, and the distance from the UK to the Netherlands isn't "half way across the world" either :oldlol: -- how many times can you be wrong? It's like you're trying to set some kind of record.


Dresta has a girlfriend? I thought he was some 40yr old nerd sitting in his 70yr old parents basement taking his anger out on ISH with his thesaurus. :roll:
Seriously, you guys are incredibly insecure. I post my thoughts on here, in no different a manner than that in which I converse with people, with perhaps a bit of extra acerbity sprinkled in, because people like you clearly deserve it.

Why is it so surprising (and distressing) to people who are uneducated and apparently proud of being so, that someone else might actually have a wider vocabulary than they do?

You really need to grow up. I'm young dude, but you behave like a little child, as does Don. That is one of the major problems with the modern world: people simply do not grow up any more. If you're still a teenager, i'll forgive you, if not, you need to embark on a radical course of self-improvement before you're stuck as an ignorant and semi-literate bum for life.