View Full Version : People should be voting for Bernie Sanders
masonanddixon
03-18-2016, 08:11 PM
The dude promotes the two most important positions right now
-discharging student loan debts and free education
-taxing the shit out of corporations.
stalkerforlife
03-18-2016, 08:14 PM
He's the best candidate, IMO.
Genius dude.
9erempiree
03-18-2016, 08:15 PM
No.
Giving free education would devalue an education. There are some people that don't deserve to be in college or at least not smart enough. I can only imagine the bottle neck effect it will have at colleges. People either stay too long or never finish while everyone's trying to fight for limited seating in classes. By giving free education on the university level will turn it into an extension of high school.
As for taxing the crap out of corporations? Bad idea. I have an intention to start my own practice and will most likely incorporate my firm. While it may sound good to tax the heck out of them but I have aspirations to start a corporation of my own so therefore....NO. This will actually turn people off to incorporate while the goal should be to encourage people to start businesses.
Bernie is the type to give you a dollar so you don't make $100 yourself.
Way to keep the people down.
masonanddixon
03-18-2016, 08:17 PM
No.
Giving free education would devalue an education. There are some people that don't deserve to be in college or at least not smart enough. I can only imagine the bottle neck effect it will have at colleges. People either stay too long or never finish while everyone's trying to fight for limited seating in classes. By giving free education on the university level will turn it into an extension of high school.
As for taxing the crap out of corporations? Bad idea. I have an intention to start my own practice and will most likely incorporate my firm. While it may sound good to tax the heck out of them but I have aspirations to start a corporation of my own so therefore....NO. This will actually turn people off to incorporate while the goal should be to encourage people to start businesses.
Large corporations. Get rid of them all. Shit was far more prosperous before the advent of the conglomerate, multinational corporations.
Discharging of student debt would be a huge advance for people in their 20s-30s. There's no reason why getting a medical education, for example, should set one back $400,000
No.
Giving free education would devalue an education. There are some people that don't deserve to be in college or at least not smart enough. I can only imagine the bottle neck effect it will have at colleges. People either stay too long or never finish while everyone's trying to fight for limited seating in classes. By giving free education on the university level will turn it into an extension of high school.
As for taxing the crap out of corporations? Bad idea. I have an intention to start my own practice and will most likely incorporate my firm. While it may sound good to tax the heck out of them but I have aspirations to start a corporation of my own so therefore....NO. This will actually turn people off to incorporate while the goal should be to encourage people to start businesses.
Bernie is the type to give you a dollar so you don't make $100 yourself.
Way to keep the people down.
Education is already devalued at the initial college level, that's Bernies argument for making it free. And I sort of agree, but really college needs to be done away with as a standard, But that wont ever happen.
Honestly, you dont need to raise corporate taxes. Get rid of the loopholes and make them pay the taxes already in place. You can probably lower taxes if more people pay them.
Overdrive
03-18-2016, 08:22 PM
No.
Giving free education would devalue an education. There are some people that don't deserve to be in college or at least not smart enough. I can only imagine the bottle neck effect it will have at colleges. People either stay too long or never finish while everyone's trying to fight for limited seating in classes. By giving free education on the university level will turn it into an extension of high school.
No, knockout entrace exams are the magic words here. Free education along with harder access to colleges and universities actually helps cleaning the seats as daddy's money can't keep the stupid son in college forever anymore.
As for taxing the crap out of corporations? Bad idea. I have an intention to start my own practice and will most likely incorporate my firm. While it may sound good to tax the heck out of them but I have aspirations to start a corporation of my own so therefore....NO. This will actually turn people off to incorporate while the goal should be to encourage people to start businesses.
Bernie is the type to give you a dollar so you don't make $100 yourself.
Way to keep the people down.
Aren't you a cook, an economy student, an x or y? What are you these days?
Anyway I doubt you will be able to build a billion dollar corp. The higher taxes are meant for corps like Pfizer and not some tiny firms with 2 employees.
Cangri
03-18-2016, 08:27 PM
Yeah he is better than Hillary by far imo. But I guess people will continue to vote
for the establishment, and will somehow be surprised when they see no change.
Based on their character, Trump and Bernie should be the top candidates.
TomCat
03-18-2016, 08:27 PM
The dude promotes the two most important positions right now
-discharging student loan debts and free education
-taxing the shit out of corporations.
Dumb idea.
Why are you for handouts. It promotes laziness and entitlements. If people want to further their life, they need to get their act together and get an education on their own free will.
Taxing corporations will lead to layoffs
9erempiree
03-18-2016, 08:29 PM
No, knockout entrace exams are the magic words here. Free education along with harder access to colleges and universities actually helps cleaning the seats as daddy's money can't keep the stupid son in college forever anymore.
Aren't you a cook, an economy student, an x or y? What are you these days?
Anyway I doubt you will be able to build a billion dollar corp. The higher taxes are meant for corps like Pfizer and not some tiny firms with 2 employees.
If you want to bring up tax reform then you should look at Trump's.
I've already made a thread to compare the two tax plans and even the wealthier members of ISH would save money and the not-so wealthy ISHers would also be saving money.
If you are undecided than the easiest way is to look at each candidate's tax plan.
Trump 16
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398085
masonanddixon
03-18-2016, 08:30 PM
Dumb idea.
Why are you for handouts. It promotes laziness and entitlements. If people want to further their life, they need to get their act together and get an education on their own free will.
Taxing corporations will lead to layoffs
I'm not for handouts.
I personally believe everyone should be entitled to an education from kindergarten to high school, and from there on you're own your own. No welfare, no benefits, no handouts, no free healthcare.
And with education I am not simply referring to university level, it's also post grad level where law/med school etc. set you back hundreds of thousands of dollars, and this isn't the case in any other country.
Corporations should be driven out of the country as far as I am concerned. Corporations are a plague on society and a plague on the environment. If we got rid of large corporations society as a whole would honestly become far more harmonic, individualism would flourish once again, and the environment would be protected.
It would also lead to more competition, better employment, better wages, etc. etc.
Overdrive
03-18-2016, 08:33 PM
If you want to bring up tax reform then you should look at Trump's.
I've already made a thread to compare the two tax plans and even the wealthier members of ISH would save money and the not-so wealthy ISHers would also be saving money.
If you are undecided than the easiest way is to look at each candidate's tax plan.
Trump 16
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398085
I'm not undecided, I don't live in the US. You should know this by now as it was stated often enough in the footy thread.
TomCat
03-18-2016, 08:34 PM
I'm not for handouts.
I personally believe everyone should be entitled to an education from kindergarten to high school, and from there on you're own your own. No welfare, no benefits, no handouts, no free healthcare.
And with education I am not simply referring to university level, it's also post grad level where law/med school etc. set you back hundreds of thousands of dollars, and this isn't the case in any other country.
Corporations should be driven out of the country as far as I am concerned. Corporations are a plague on society and a plague on the environment. If we got rid of large corporations society as a whole would honestly become far more harmonic, individualism would flourish once again, and the environment would be protected.
It would also lead to more competition, better employment, better wages, etc. etc.
Bad idea. You drive out the corporation level, then the whole "assembly line" style of getting goods to the consumer level will increase. Imagine mom and pop shops going around town selling goods to you instead of walmart or target
Overdrive
03-18-2016, 08:44 PM
I'm not for handouts.
I'm for handouts. I'd even go as far as giving students wages for college/university students so they don't have to work parttime, BUT they have to have good marks and be on time in their student plan.
If you're not on time - wage reduction. If you drag too much loss of the education.
Education should be for smart people, not for rich sons & daughters.
9erempiree
03-18-2016, 08:55 PM
Education should be for smart people, not for rich sons & daughters.
It's not for rich sons and daughters.
Anyone can get a university education if they have the grades for it and quite frankly, the admission requirements are quite easy.
If you don't have the money, you can go different routes. You can go to Junior College level for two years and then two years in the university level.
Also, there are scholarships and federal aid. Scholarships are essentially free education if you are smart enough or have the grades to earn it.
Our education system is not necessarily broken but liberals are coming in and changing the entire landscape of how we view education. Students are being held back as well.
Godzuki
03-18-2016, 09:19 PM
so who is going to pay for the exorbitant costs of 'free' college educations where these colleges are now able to abuse the fukk out of government subsidized tuitions? :biggums:
so how is bernie going to keep corporations in the U.S. when other countries will entice them without taxing/regulations? :biggums:
Dem's are truly unrealistic to how the world works. y'all don't realize why Obama can't do shit despite the same talking points as Bernie because shit isn't that black and white.
bernie's yapping is a pipe dream aimed at saying what the panderee's want to hear :coleman:
bernie is probably the weakest, spineless political candidate to ever exist in the history of mankind :pimp:
CuterThanRubio
03-18-2016, 09:21 PM
They probably would be if he wasn't a communist sympathizer.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 12:21 AM
Large corporations. Get rid of them all. Shit was far more prosperous before the advent of the conglomerate, multinational corporations.
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So just dont use them.
Dont shop at Walmart, dont use a bank account, dont buy gasoline etc.
Nobody forces you to do these things.
NBAplayoffs2001
03-19-2016, 12:25 AM
Why would I want a socialistic society?
So my career goals that are likely going to generate a lot of income could be taxed so I can benefit others?
I guess I'm greedy in that sense but I do not like the idea of working my tail off for a goal and find out I'm making less just because of these ideologies that I do not believe America has been built off of.
I think Sanders is the 3rd worst candidate left after Trump and Cruz. I do believe in Republican ideals and Kasick and Rubio were solid candidates. The last two are just bad... I guess I might vote for Clinton :(
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 12:47 AM
It seems logical that as a society we would benefit from subsidizing college education. We need more people with those skills and no debt. Undergraduate is the new high school and a MS is the new BS/BA.
NBAplayoffs2001
03-19-2016, 12:55 AM
It seems logical that as a society we would benefit from subsidizing college education. We need more people with those skills and no debt. Undergraduate is the new high school and a MS is the new BS/BA.
This would take a lot longer than 4 years and I highly doubt Sanders would get a 2nd term if president.
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 01:09 AM
Obama shoved health care down the Republicans throats. This isn't much different and their party is weaker than ever. It could be seen as a compromise vs raising the minimum wage; a sort of capitalistic take on our education needs.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 01:16 AM
It seems logical that as a society we would benefit from subsidizing college education. We need more people with those skills and no debt. Undergraduate is the new high school and a MS is the new BS/BA.
Wait, but there are tons of kids with degrees right now who aren't satisfied with the job opportunities in front of them.
Kids are literally suing schools because they can't get good jobs now that they have all sorts of degrees.
But you think we need even more kids going to colleges during prime earning years of their lives, which will become even more expensive once the government picks up the tab?
Explain the disconnect, please.
If having a degree automatically creates great jobs, why are so many kids who HAVE DEGREES unhappy with their job prospects?
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 01:20 AM
^ Also this is the clown who beats the "look at Obama's employment statististitcs!!!!" drum.
While those stats are filled with law grads working part time as waiters.
And he's like "see!!!! economix recovurrry!! Obama did it!!!!"
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 01:20 AM
Mindless left wing talking point drivel.
Deuce Walrusses.
Guy has to repeat all the things his party doctrine tells him to, because he's simply too unintelligent and unoriginal to provide a single independently analyzed and articulated perspective.
~primetime~
03-19-2016, 01:27 AM
Free education does not mean more students or degrees.
It would still be difficult to get a degree...stupid kids would still not be able to get in anything other than community college.
The college drop out rate is high because students don't want to do the work.
I don't understand why some think making education free will suddenly give every kid in the county a doctorate.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 01:40 AM
Free education does not mean more students or degrees.
It would still be difficult to get a degree...stupid kids would still not be able to get in anything other than community college.
The college drop out rate is high because students don't want to do the work.
I don't understand why some think making education free will suddenly give every kid in the county a doctorate.
Look who's ALREADY getting put into college simply because otherwise, 'racist'
http://i.imgur.com/8UuDXbf.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/92iv3xx0l/Screen_Shot_2016_02_11_at_10_24_35_AM_jpg_ecf77d.j pg
Oh, and let's not forget who was 'just about to start college' before he fought the law (and the law won)
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/fe/4fe8201a-46f4-5d78-a841-c73977ac7dce/53ee25efe02b4.preview-620.jpg
Who tf are we kidding, pt??? "Free college" is just going to fill schools up with people who have no business there. People who are not going to be engineers, doctors, etc.
Society still needs postmen, car salesmen, police officers, farmers, cable guys, auto mechanics, DMV workers, there are TONS of jobs you can make a living with that don't require college education. There seems to be a widespread denial that we still have to have these jobs. Like, if everyone gets a degree then everyone will be a rich white collar worker all the sudden! Yay!
It's stupid. Our country is in a massive denial. :facepalm
You wanna make college free for people with elite grades? Fine. But last I checked, they already get scholarships.
What we need to change is the mindset that everyone needs to be in college to develop career skills. This is the plague that is causing the problem.
90sgoat
03-19-2016, 01:45 AM
I don't trust communist jews who say 'white people cant be poor'.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 01:48 AM
If Bernie Sanders gets elected will he give Michael Brown a posthumous degree?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vPmMxCiraQA/hqdefault.jpg
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 01:55 AM
Wait, but there are tons of kids with degrees right now who aren't satisfied with the job opportunities in front of them.
Kids are literally suing schools because they can't get good jobs now that they have all sorts of degrees.
But you think we need even more kids going to colleges during prime earning years of their lives, which will become even more expensive once the government picks up the tab?
Explain the disconnect, please.
If having a degree automatically creates great jobs, why are so many kids who HAVE DEGREES unhappy with their job prospects?
People with degrees who are unhappy or suing schools are idiots and irrelevant. There is a need in this market for higher skill levels and there are no adequate jobs for high school level skill sets. If anyone can understand that, it should be you. You are a high school level graduate with no job opportunities because you lack skills desired in the market.
I'm not saying it should be wide open "go to school for free", but I can see a scenario where certain desired fields are heavily subsidized with moderate restrictions surrounding the subsidization.
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 01:59 AM
Free education does not mean more students or degrees.
It would still be difficult to get a degree...stupid kids would still not be able to get in anything other than community college.
The college drop out rate is high because students don't want to do the work.
I don't understand why some think making education free will suddenly give every kid in the county a doctorate.
No one is saying that. You, as usual, are confused. Making BS level education free or heavily subsidized will not suddenly create a surplus of graduates. You still have to complete the requirements. Look at Starface. He was presented with a free Big Ten degree, but he has no determination and dropped out. The government would not continue to subsidize his education while he fails. What it will do is create an environment where able students who simply lack the financial support can still achieve a degree and contribute to society.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:01 AM
You are a high school level graduate with no job opportunities because you lack skills desired in the market.
What do you mean?
I can (and do) literally make $2,000 in a week doing a medical study. That's more than you make in a month.
What, that's not 'dignified enough'? Good. That's why it pays so well. Most peer-pressure dweebs like you would be too embarrassed to do it if they needed to make some cash to pay the bills.
There are tons of opportunities for resilient people out there. You're an overgrown girl, pushing 40 and still clinging to your campus safe space. Tax payers pay for your shit because you'd literally shrivel up and die if you got put in a business environment with normal looking/acting people. Do you have any more reason to be proud than someone who got their high school diploma and took up work as a plumber, construction worker, or chauffeur?
Definitely NOT.
Nick Young
03-19-2016, 02:03 AM
No one is saying that. You, as usual, are confused. Making BS level education free or heavily subsidized will not suddenly create a surplus of graduates. You still have to complete the requirements. Look at Starface. He was presented with a free Big Ten degree, but he has no determination and dropped out. The government would not continue to subsidize his education while he fails. What it will do is create an environment where able students who simply lack the financial support can still achieve a degree and contribute to society.
http://www.gifwave.com/media/74961_thumbs-down-wwe-wrestling-triple-h-ric-flair.gif
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:04 AM
What do you mean?
I can (and do) literally make $2,000 in a week doing a medical study. That's more than you make in a month. What, that's not 'dignified enough'? Good. That's why it pays so well. Most peer-pressure dweebs like you would be too embarrassed to do it if they needed to make some cash to get by.
There are tons of opportunities for resilient people out there. You're an overgrown girl, pushing 40 and still clinging to your campus safe space. Tax payers pay for your shit because you'd literally shrivel up and die if you got put in a business environment with normal looking/acting people. Do you have any more reason to be proud than someone who got their high school diploma and took up work as a plumber, construction worker, or chauffeur?
Definitely NOT.
You're touting the fact that you can make 24K a year as a medical subject? Viva la High School!
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:05 AM
What it will do is create an environment where able students who simply lack the financial support can still achieve a degree and contribute to society.
How do you determine who is able beforehand?
What happens when kids who run up lots of free college tabs suddenly drop out?
How does the investment pay off?
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:05 AM
I can (and do) literally make $2,000 in a week doing a medical study. That's more than you make in a month.
You're touting the fact that you can make 24K a year as a medical subject? Viva la High School!
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Dat education :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
****in clown ass f@g always provin my points for me :lol. Sometimes takes the fun out of it :(
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:05 AM
http://www.gifwave.com/media/74961_thumbs-down-wwe-wrestling-triple-h-ric-flair.gif
You don't pay taxes, you don't vote, you're not American, therefore this doesn't concern you.
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:06 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Dat education :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Lol a week. I don't believe that for a second. Although, maybe that's what happened to your face? :confusedshrug:
~primetime~
03-19-2016, 02:09 AM
No one is saying that. You, as usual, are confused. Making BS level education free or heavily subsidized will not suddenly create a surplus of graduates. You still have to complete the requirements. Look at Starface. He was presented with a free Big Ten degree, but he has no determination and dropped out. The government would not continue to subsidize his education while he fails. What it will do is create an environment where able students who simply lack the financial support can still achieve a degree and contribute to society.
You misread my post, I'm saying what you are saying.
You are confused.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:10 AM
Lol a week. I don't believe that for a second. Although, maybe that's what happened to your face? :confusedshrug:
Look it up yourself
http://www.ppdi.com/Participate-In-Clinical-Trials/Volunteer-for-a-Study/Phase-I-Clinic/Study-Volunteer-Opportunities.aspx
Let' sum up:
You can't read (Or do math. Not sure which it counts as, probably both?)
I've shredded your points, WITH examples
What are you left with? You'll either say "ur an idi0t" or simply abandon thread.
This is why EVERYONE here thinks youre an overcompensating fool.
Nick Young
03-19-2016, 02:13 AM
You don't pay taxes, you don't vote, you're not American, therefore this doesn't concern you.
http://media2.giphy.com/media/IvcwXzJ1HiTTi/200.gif
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:14 AM
Look it up yourself
http://www.ppdi.com/Participate-In-Clinical-Trials/Volunteer-for-a-Study/Phase-I-Clinic/Study-Volunteer-Opportunities.aspx
Let' sum up:
You can't read (Or do math, not sure which it counts as, probably both?)
I've shredded your points, WITH examples
What are you left with? You'll either say "ur an idi0t" or simply abandon thread.
This is why EVERYONE here thinks youre an overcompensating fool.
1) You've exaggerated the payout. Most of these are 8 weeks 8500; AT BEST.
2) You don't qualify for all these; i.e. you're not a postmenopausal woman (I think).
3) You can't keep up a schedule that would allow you to maintain this rate for even half a year given the study periods.
4) Furthermore, it's unlikely, for scientific purposes that you would qualify for a particular study after participating in one or more previously.
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:16 AM
Oh, and I forgot to add
5) You're a dipshit test subject.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:16 AM
1) You've exaggerated the payout. Most of these are 8 weeks 8500; AT BEST.
2) You don't qualify for all these; i.e. you're not a postmenopausal woman (I think).
3) You can't keep up a schedule that would allow you to maintain this rate for even half a year given the study periods.
4) Furthermore, it's unlikely, for scientific purposes that you would qualify for a particular study after participating in one or more previously.
Holy shit, do you even...?
http://s11.postimg.org/7xdoqadkj/Screen_shot_2016_03_19_at_1_14_25_AM.png
Men AND postmenopausal women. In other words, people who can't get pregnant :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
Look at the dates for the $2,000 study. What does it say? 3/23 - 3/28. With a 20 minute outpatient followup a few days later. How can you possibly be so retarded? Your continuous failure is spectacular.
How much money do you make dude? What is your forest gnome degree pulling in?
Tell us.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:18 AM
Oh, and I forgot to add
5) You're a dipshit test subject.
Tell us how much you make.
You're always bragging that you have a degree. You're claiming everyone needs a degree in order to be a success. You're turning up your nose at 2,000 a week.
How much do you make deuce??? Don't run away like a little bitch. Don't duck and dodge. It's a simple question, and for a degree'd-up G like you, it should be no problem to clue us all in. Everyone here is curious. How much?
You can't read basic english nor do simple math. And yet, you have that forestry degree, so you're obviously ballin.
How much you pullin in big daddy???
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:21 AM
You're arguing with me about the merits of college education because you can make 35K a year as a medical test subject?
GS-09 (Masters) starts at 52K a year with 1K increments for 10 years.
GS-11/13 (PhD) is like 75-90K to start.
The private sector is usually quite a bit more, and academia is usually the same or a bit less but with a 9 month appointment vs 12 month for the feds or state level.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:23 AM
How much does whatever you're doing here pay?
http://s27.postimg.org/tq9h3mk9f/575727_10151630321873307_108038484_n_jpg_oh_8dcc.j pg
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:24 AM
You're arguing with me about the merits of college education because you can make 35K a year as a medical test subject?
Oy, not again with the retard math. :facepalm Also, nobody strictly has to do medical studies. It's an incredibly flexible income opportunity. You can still do other things to earn a living through the year as well. There are a few people I've met doing studies who are in their early 20s and still live on a cheap budget, and invest most of the thousands they make for each study. And every year their portfolios are growing, while most kids their age are working at arby's. I met a young dude named DeAndre (but but but youre lying - even tho ive provided evidence of every claim ive made - THIS time im lying doe) who was like 21 and he had his stuff together and he was cleaning up. He knew what he wanted to do and he was makin a bunch of money and saving/investing almost all of it. Good kid too, I still have his number and text occasionally, even tho he's back in CA. I WISH I could go back in time and used the money I made more wisely from the beginning.
GS-09 (Masters) starts at 52K a year with 1K increments for 10 years.
GS-11/13 (PhD) is like 75-90K to start.
The private sector is usually a bit more, and academia is usually the same or a bit less but with a 9 month appointment.
So what are you making right now, exactly?
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:24 AM
How much does whatever you're doing here pay?
http://s27.postimg.org/tq9h3mk9f/575727_10151630321873307_108038484_n_jpg_oh_8dcc.j pg
GS-09 Step 2 Smithsonian.
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:26 AM
Oh, and how many pics of me do you keep on your hard drive to jack off to?
EDIT: me
Im Still Ballin
03-19-2016, 02:29 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
This is VINTAGE InsideHoops
If only L-O-Josh was here to round this out
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:32 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
This is VINTAGE InsideHoops
If only L-O-Josh was here to round this out
Eh, not really.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:33 AM
GS-09 Step 2 Smithsonian.
So you make the same as an average plumber?
DeuceWallaces
03-19-2016, 02:40 AM
So you make the same as an average plumber?
Mean US plumber salary is 20/hour (40K) assuming they can fill a full work week. Median is probably a smidge higher.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 02:47 AM
Mean US plumber salary is 20/hour (40K) assuming they can fill a full work week. Median is probably a smidge higher.
Payscale.com says:
As of Jan 2016, the average pay for a Plumber is $20.10/hr or $49431 annually.
And an average will include guys who are just starting out in the business, presumably in their early 20s. By the time they're your age, they likely have no problem being around that 50k mark.
And if they learned the vocation for a year or two right out of high school then started working, they've definitely made more money than you have so far, if you weren't even getting paid until you got your masters.
So you have a forestry degree and you're literally worse off than the average plumber.
So remind me, why does everyone need to go to college...?
bladefd
03-19-2016, 02:58 AM
If you want to bring up tax reform then you should look at Trump's.
I've already made a thread to compare the two tax plans and even the wealthier members of ISH would save money and the not-so wealthy ISHers would also be saving money.
If you are undecided than the easiest way is to look at each candidate's tax plan.
Trump 16
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398085
Here is a better representation of the tax plans when we take into account insurance plan of Bernie's..
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400597
Much more complete picture, tyvm.
Akrazotile
03-19-2016, 03:05 AM
And if they learned the vocation for a year or two right out of high school then started working, they've definitely made more money than you have so far, if you weren't even getting paid until you got your masters.
So you have a forestry degree and you're literally worse off than the average plumber.
So remind me, why does everyone need to go to college...?
****ing kill shot. This dude won't be back in the thread any time soon. Except maybe to mindlessly say 'ur a moron' then run away again.
Dude gets exposed like no other each and every time. Biggest poser in America.
BoutPractice
03-19-2016, 08:24 AM
The main problem is not just access to higher education.
(It does matter, but the current system needs to change so that people don't go around expecting that their psychology BA is going to make them rich).
It is the fact that the United States is turning into a society of debt bondage. Bad student loans. Bad mortgages. Credit card debt... A troubling percentage of the American population lacks financial independence.
The combination of low wages, high expectations and consumerist values is fueling that debt and threatening to tear society apart...
You may not agree with his views, but at least Sanders has some understanding of the depth of the problem, and some idea of how he'd try to tackle it.
Im Still Ballin
03-19-2016, 12:23 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
**** this is such a classic
My boy Akrazotile making bank by being a test subject
No regard for his own life
Alpha to the grave, he was
Labissiere
03-19-2016, 12:48 PM
The dude promotes the two most important positions right now
-discharging student loan debts and free education
-taxing the shit out of corporations.
:applause:
bladefd
03-19-2016, 03:15 PM
Feel the Bern, boys and girls :banana:
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JJMpbEDAwO2RbYk/giphy.gif
Bigsmoke
03-19-2016, 05:52 PM
He's too old
Cocaine80s
03-19-2016, 06:57 PM
****ing kill shot. This dude won't be back in the thread any time soon. Except maybe to mindlessly say 'ur a moron' then run away again.
Dude gets exposed like no other each and every time. Biggest poser in America.
Did you forget to log onto a different alt or something?
Godzuki
03-19-2016, 10:09 PM
i dont think u all realize the reality of corporations to America....
counties/states BEG corporations to set up shop in their jurisdictions. why? because they become the center of business activity and make their city relevant with income than your typical hick, no income town.
look around where u live. if ure in a city like bustling area, i guarantee u have a Walmart, Walgreens, and corporate food chains galore. why? because they're the stable of having a bustling economically prosperous city/state over the typical boon dox shithole.
cities and states, and everyone involved in real estate or business understand this to the point that they're COURTING corporations to build in their territory. whether that is thru tax breaks or some other means, these corporate businesses become the hub of business activity in EVERY shopping center.
so when u want to tax them up the ass just to do business, ask ureself why the fukk would they set up shop in ure square to pay 10x's the taxes hoping to squeak out a profit? better hope u have the condensned population of NYC because otherwise ure staying the same shit hole hick town nobody gives a fukk about because ure filled with local stores and not any corporate mega stores which ARE the center of business activitity today amongst consumers :pimp:
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