Best player on a 50+ win team: LeBron vs Kobe vs Wade

[Ranked 12th]

How do they compare?

[Ranked 12th]

LeBron: 10 times (every season except 2004, 2005, 2008,)

Kobe: 4 times (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)

Wade: ??

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron: 10 times (every season except 2004, 2005, 2008,)

Kobe: 4 times (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)

Wade: ??

2006 for Wade

[Akrazotile]

2008, 9, 10, 11 for Gasol

[Papaya Petee]

Wade in 2005 (better than Shaq 24\7\5\2\1 Regular season plus 28\7\5\2\1 playoffs), 2006 , 2011 (better than LeBron, look playoffs)

[Ranked 12th]

Wade in 2005 (better than Shaq 24\7\5\2\1 Regular season plus 28\7\5\2\1 playoffs), 2006 , 2011 (better than LeBron, look playoffs)

LOL wasn't Shaq 2nd in MVP voting in 2005?

Wasn't LeBron 3rd in MVP voting in 2011??


Both were a entire tier above Wade in those years





Cringeworthy troll effort

[Papaya Petee]

LOL wasn't Shaq 2nd in MVP voting in 2005?

Wasn't LeBron 3rd in MVP voting in 2011??


Both were a entire tier above Wade in those years





Cringeworthy troll effort

Shaq 2005- 23\10\2\1
Wade 2005- 24\7\5\2\1

Shaq 2005 playoffs- 19\8\2\1
Wade 2005 playoffs- 28\7\5\2\1

In case of Wade vs LeBron 2011, look no further then NBA Finals for your answer, ******.

[Ranked 12th]

Shaq 2005- 23\10\2\1
Wade 2005- 24\7\5\2\1

Shaq 2005 playoffs- 19\8\2\1
Wade 2005 playoffs- 28\7\5\2\1



So you basically just showed me clear proof of Shaq being better than Wade in 2005? Only an idiot would take a 24/7 guy over a 23/10 dude in 2005.

And you basically also admit LeBron was >>> Wade in 2011, since you were too scared to show their stats :oldlol:


Thanks for proving my point. Face it your boy was never the best player on a remotely competitive team. :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

So you basically just showed me clear proof of Shaq being better than Wade in 2005? Only an idiot would not take a 24/7 guy over a 23/10 dude in 2005.

And you basically also admit LeBron was >>> Wade in 2011, since you were too scared to show their stats :oldlol:


Thanks for proving my point. Face it your boy was never the best player on a remotely competitive team. :oldlol:
So were going to ignore the playoffs where Wade dominated and Shaq was below average? :roll: Not to mention in 2005 Wade was an All-NBA 2nd team defender, while Shaq was a defensive liability.

24\7\5\2\1 plus All NBA Defense while playing 4 more games > 23\10\2 being mediocre defensively. Including playoffs it's not even a discussion. Wade was clearly the best player in 2005 on Miami.

2011 NBA Finals
Wade- 27\7\5\2\1
LeBron- 18\7\7\1\0

Only stat you need to know

[Ranked 12th]

So were going to ignore the playoffs where Wade dominated and Shaq was below average? :roll: Not to mention in 2005 Wade was an All-NBA 2nd team defender, while Shaq was a defensive liability.

24\7\5\2\1 plus All NBA Defense while playing 4 more games > 23\10\2 being mediocre defensively. Including playoffs it's not even a discussion. Wade was clearly the best player in 2005 on Miami.


Wade fell straight to the lottery once Shaq left.


Wade needed Shaq to carry him not the other way around


Shaq comes, Heat wins 50+ games and championships





The second Shaq leaves a prime Wade only musters a 15-67 win season, and crumbles in the lottery :oldlol:





If Wade was so important, how come the Heat were only competitive with Shaq, and the second Shaq leaves Wade wins 15 games? :roll:



Shaq was better both seasons (2005-2006) and Wade was a pretty good second option


So those can't possibly count in this debate.















Why is it SO HARD to find just 1 season where Wade was the best player on a 50 win team? :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

Wade fell straight to the lottery once Shaq left.


Wade needed Shaq to carry him not the other way around


Shaq comes, Heat wins 50+ games and championships





The second Shaq leaves a prime Wade only musters a 15-67 win season, and crumbles in the lottery :oldlol:





If Wade was so important, how come the Heat were only competitive with Shaq, and the second Shaq leaves Wade wins 15 games? :roll:



Shaq was better both seasons (2005-2006) and Wade was a pretty good second option


So those can't possibly count in this debate.















Why is it SO HARD to find just 1 season where Wade was the best player on a 50 win team? :roll:
You right, Shaq was so much better than Wade in 2006 then how come Wade was the leading MVP candidate in 2007 and when he went down with an injury Shaq could barely keep the team above .500? :roll:

[Ranked 12th]

You right, Shaq was so much better than Wade in 2006 then how come Wade was the leading MVP candidate in 2007 and when he went down with an injury Shaq could barely keep the team above .500? :roll:


He's still melting down :yaohappy:


Just accept it bro

[Labissiere]

oh whoops.. wrong thread.. :facepalm
Can't even copy and paste in the right thread :facepalm

[sd3035]

I think it all has something to do with play finisher to playmaker ratio

[NZStreetBaller]

Shaq cant win without a top 3 all time shooting guard.

[Ranked 12th]

Shaq cant win without a top 3 all time shooting guard.

Jordan

West

Drexler



Shaq won 4 championships without any of those 3

[3ball]

.
Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:


Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show in the previous post.

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

[3ball]

oh whoops, wrong thread

[Ranked 12th]

oh whoops, wrong thread

you mean wrong forum? Go back to realgm/basketball forum

[IllegalD]

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:yaohappy:

[Akrazotile]

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:yaohappy:


Why did you leave out his one original account that actually identifies who he is and what he looks like?

You do know he is actually the poster GOBB, right...?

[IllegalD]

Why did you leave out his one original account that actually identifies who he is and what he looks like?

You do know he is actually the poster GOBB, right...?


Uhhh... sure thing kid. :facepalm

I've been lurking this boards long enough to know that GOBB is some 40+ year old black 6ers fan from Philly that use to work in the post office.

[InsanityKills]

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:yaohappy:
Congrats bro, lifetime achievement!
https://u5.photofunia.com/2/results/O/p/Op2_Hzt9knGgT40XoHMB4A_r.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade in 2005 (better than Shaq 24\7\5\2\1 Regular season plus 28\7\5\2\1 playoffs), 2006 , 2011 (better than LeBron, look playoffs)

he wasnt better in the regular season, no

[IllegalD]

Congrats bro, lifetime achievement!
https://u5.photofunia.com/2/results/O/p/Op2_Hzt9knGgT40XoHMB4A_r.jpg


Damn, I got this kid scrambling around making fake diploma photoshops! :lol

The rent. It is free. :banana:

[Wade's Rings]

he wasnt better in the regular season, no

They were about even in the regular season.

[Ranked 12th]

Congrats bro, lifetime achievement!
https://u5.photofunia.com/2/results/O/p/Op2_Hzt9knGgT40XoHMB4A_r.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[JT123]

Congrats bro, lifetime achievement!
https://u5.photofunia.com/2/results/O/p/Op2_Hzt9knGgT40XoHMB4A_r.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: That fool got banned too :yaohappy:

[TheMarkMadsen]

mods are actively banning people and yet somehow have decided not to ban these obvious alts that are ruining ISH with their constant trolling

[JT123]

mods are actively banning people and yet somehow have decided not to ban these obvious alts that are ruining ISH with their constant trolling
mods

[InsanityKills]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: That fool got banned too :yaohappy:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

WHAT A TIME!

[12th]

Congrats bro, lifetime achievement!
https://u5.photofunia.com/2/results/O/p/Op2_Hzt9knGgT40XoHMB4A_r.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[12th]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: That fool got banned too :yaohappy:
We


Stay



Winning

:roll:

[Ranked 12th]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[InsanityKills]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll:

I can see him ironically coming back with an alt.

[Cold soul]

mods are actively banning people and yet somehow have decided not to ban these obvious alts that are ruining ISH with their constant trolling


Yeah trolls and alts run wild here.

[aj1987]

he wasnt better in the regular season, no
It's like saying Dirk wasn't better than Terry during the RS in '11. :facepalm

Wade was the better scorer, passer, defender, clutch player, etc.. Shaq was a better rebounder. That's it.

[feyki]

Wade was better than Shaq in 2005 and 2006 . And what changes with those meaningless regular seasons accomplishments .