Tell me a championship run Pippen had as bad as 2013 Wade

[Ranked 12th]

Wade: 15.9 points 4.6 rebs 4.8 assists on 45% FG with below average defense

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade has OP shook, making 5+ threads about him daily

[navy]

Why havent these accounts been permabanned?

[Done_And_Done]

Why havent these accounts been permabanned?

Because Jeff has a major soft spot for socially inept virgins with bruised palms.

[JZ600]

Why havent these accounts been permabanned?
They generate revenue.

[WayOfWade]

Loaded question is loaded

[3ball]

Wade: 15.9 points 4.6 rebs 4.8 assists on 45% FG with below average defense



Pippen was much worse during the entire 2nd three-peat than Wade was alongside Lebron:


WADE.. 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20.3 ppg.. 5.2 reb.. 4.3 apg.. 47.5 fg
PIPPEN 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 ppg.. 7.4 reb.. 5.0 apg.. 40.8 fg


Wade was much better.. :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was much worse during the entire 2nd three-peat than Wade was alongside Lebron:


WADE.. 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 20.3 ppg.. 5.2 reb.. 4.3 apg.. 47.5 fg
PIPPEN 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game): 17.6 ppg.. 7.4 reb.. 5.0 apg.. 40.8 fg


Wade was much better.. :confusedshrug:

Not factoring in defense?

[warriorfan]

Not factoring in defense?

You are not factoring in the fact that LeBron lowers the statistical output of his teammates.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They generate revenue.


Bullshit.

We are in the midst of an historic nba season and the amount of active threads is pathetically low.

There are so many people who don't come here anymore/ cut back on posting because this place has two people on 20 different accounts trolling every thread.

[InsanityKills]

Bullshit.

We are in the midst of an historic nba season and the amount of active threads is pathetically low.

There are so many people who don't come here anymore/ cut back on posting because this place has two people on 20 different accounts trolling every thread.
Can you tell us who these two are?:confusedshrug:

[Ranked 12th]

Pippen was much worse during the entire 2nd three-peat than Wade was alongside Lebron:


WADE.. 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 20.3 ppg.. 5.2 reb.. 4.3 apg.. 47.5 fg
PIPPEN 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 17.6 ppg.. 7.4 reb.. 5.0 apg.. 40.8 fg


Wade was much better.. :confusedshrug:



You're not answering the question

But it's okay because you know deep down that MJ's 3rd option was better than LeBrons 2nd option



Wade 15.9 Ppg

Bosh 12.1 Ppg



And LeBron still won the championship



Without Pippen playing at an ATG level, the best MJ could muster was a 1-9 :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Not factoring in defense?


What defense?

In the 1996 ECF, Penny lit Pippen up for 25.5 ppg on 47%.. Otoh, Penny had exactly 1 point in the entire series on 0/5 fg when Jordan guarded him, as documented by youtube uploader "Nobody Touches Jordan":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtNOjco8yQ


In the 1996 Finals, the Game 6 closeout game was very tight and it almost went to 7 games - part of the reason it was so close was because Detlef Schrempf was lighting Pippen up for 23 points on 53% to lead the Sonics in scoring.

And Rodman's defense allowed Kemp to get 18/14 on 47%, while Harper allowed Payton 19 points on 70%... Jordan was the only guy who held his man down in Game 6 - if it wasn't for Jordan's 22/9/7 and holding Hersey Hawkins to 4 points on 2-6 (12 points below his RS and playoff average), the Bulls wouldn't have won.

Obviously, in the 1998 Finals, Pippen was old, hurt, and broken down - his defense wasn't good, especially in the last 2 games.

[ralph_i_el]

Bullshit.

We are in the midst of an historic nba season and the amount of active threads is pathetically low.

There are so many people who don't come here anymore/ cut back on posting because this place has two people on 20 different accounts trolling every thread.

^This

I barely post here now.

We have to remember, this is just ONE crazy ass kid. He's not actually generating that many page views with these posts. In the long run, it's killing the forum and chasing people like me away.

I'm averaging like 1 post a day these days as opposed to 3-4

[WayOfWade]

Bullshit.

We are in the midst of an historic nba season and the amount of active threads is pathetically low.

There are so many people who don't come here anymore/ cut back on posting because this place has two people on 20 different accounts trolling every thread.
True, I believe however that this place will pull through eventually and a new Golden Era will begin. Much like the NBA though, it'll be all new faces with the Old/Great posters having concluded a mass exodus

[Akrazotile]

Wade: 15.9 points 4.6 rebs 4.8 assists on 45% FG with below average defense


Ugh. I just gagged reading those numbers.

[3ball]

You're not answering the question

Wade 15.9 Ppg

And LeBron still won the championship


You're saying that Wade averaged 16 ppg on 46%

That's better than Pippen's 16.8 on 39% in 1996 playoffs, or 16.9 ppg on 41.5% in 1998 playoffs.

What more do you want?.. But I'll give you more:






you know deep down that MJ's 3rd option was better than LeBrons 2nd option



We know for a fact that OLD Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his last 2 rings than PRIME Lebron carried while winning his only 2:



..........PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................RS......RS 4th.... PO.....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <---- these are links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 34.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 33.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)




.........PROPORTION OF TEAM POINTS + ASSISTS WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 64.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 84.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 73.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 91.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 69.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 63.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 72.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 62.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 67.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 75.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 75.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 75.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)




PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 45.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 51.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


(btw, regarding the stats that subtract turnovers - the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash)

[Ranked 12th]

Wade's 15.9 is better than Pippens 16.8/7/5 with elite defense?? :roll: :roll:


Nice one




Remember we're not even including Prime 1991-1993 Pippen we're using Jordans worst help, a 1996-1998 old Pippen, who was still better than 2011-2014 Wade



Think about this for a second.. Jordans worst help (1996-1998 Pippen) is still better than LeBrons best help (2011-2014 Wade)



Jordans worst help, broken down Pippen, is still better than LeBrons best help of his career (Wade)








LeBron won a championship with a 15 Ppg Wade, Jordan needed a minimum of a 17/7/6 with elite defense Pippen and te GOAT coach just to make it out of the first round












But then again, it's unfair to try and put LeBron-esque expectations on MJ. he simply wasn't good enough.

[NZStreetBaller]

^This

I barely post here now.

We have to remember, this is just ONE crazy ass kid. He's not actually generating that many page views with these posts. In the long run, it's killing the forum and chasing people like me away.

I'm averaging like 1 post a day these days as opposed to 3-4


This.

Its like when you talk basketball objectively there is 0 response or care. Everything is agenda driven and trolling now. And alts are unbelievable.

[3ball]

Everything is agenda driven and trolling now.


.
Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:


Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show in the previous post.

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

[Ranked 12th]

3ball is too scared to reply to my points :roll:


Run along to another forum and try your troll game there

[3ball]

3ball is too scared to reply to my points :roll:

Run along to another forum and try your troll game there



Jordan had less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


#1 OPTION) Mosgov's 14/8 on 55% > Pippen's 15 ppg on 41%

#2 OPTION) Tristan's 13/10 on 52% > Rodman's 3/8 on 46% (Rodman wasn't even a starter)

#3 OPTION) Kukoc 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 32%

#4 OPTION) Harper/Kerr's 4-5 ppg on 32% = Delly/Shumpert's 7-8 ppg on 25%


The Bulls only win 1 matchup (Kukoc/JR Smith)... :confusedshrug:

Nonetheless, Jordan WON the 1998 Finals because he played great defense and shot well despite consistent double-teaming..

Otoh, Lebron lost his Finals because his defense allowed a 7 ppg role player to become greater than Curry, and he shot 39% against single-coverage.

[Ranked 12th]

Jordan had less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


#1 OPTION) Mosgov's 14/8 on 55% > Pippen's 15 ppg on 41%

#2 OPTION) Tristan's 13/10 on 52% > Rodman's 3/8 on 46% (Rodman wasn't even a starter)

#3 OPTION) Kukoc 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 32%

#4 OPTION) Harper/Kerr's 4-5 ppg on 32% = Delly/Shumpert's 7-8 ppg on 25%



You lied about the stats :oldlol:

Tristan Thompson averaged 10ppg and JR averaged 11







But FORGET all that, we have to remember that the 2015 Warriors >>>>> 1998 Jazz. So your argument is irrelevant anyway. :sleeping

[3ball]

You lied about the stats :oldlol:

Tristan Thompson averaged 10ppg and JR averaged 11







But FORGET all that, we have to remember that the 2015 Warriors >>>>> 1998 Jazz. So your argument is irrelevant anyway. :sleeping
The Bulls only win 1 matchup (Kukoc/JR Smith)...

Nonetheless, Jordan WON the 1998 Finals because he played great defense and shot well despite consistent double-teaming..

Otoh, Lebron lost his Finals because his defense allowed a 7 ppg role player to become greater than Curry, and he shot 39% against single-coverage.
.

[3ball]

and Bosh sucked


Bosh made the all-star team every year even though Lebron reduced him to a play-finisher and spot-up shooter.

It's common knowledge and statistical fact that Lebron reduces all his teammates to play-finishers - the statistics show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron lowers his teammates APG (playmaking) and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing).

How do you expect Bosh to play well and to full capacity against the best teams as a simple, predictable play-finisher?... It's impossible.

Nonetheless, Bosh is a 10-time all-star... So regardless of how much Lebron reduced Bosh's game, Lebron still had access to a 10-time all-star as his THIRD option... That's never happened before - there's never been a 3rd option that made 10 all star teams.. Ever..





3ball is too scared to reply to my points


Lebron had Wade as his 2nd option, a 10-time all-star as his 3rd option, and HOF Ray Allen saving him as his 4th option.

That's far more stacked than any supporting cast Jordan ever had.

Ultimately, here's where we currently stand - Jordan never missed the playoffs despite not having any all-star teammates early in his career, and he went 6/6 the instant he got just 1 all-star teammate.

Otoh, Lebron missed the playoffs twice despite having an all-star teammate, and only went 2/4 with TWO all-star teammates in Miami.
.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nonetheless, Bosh is a 10-time all-star... So regardless of how much Lebron reduced Bosh's game, Lebron still had access to a 10-time all-star as his THIRD option... That's never happened before - there's never been a 3rd option that made 10 all star teams.. Ever..
.

Lmao, he never even SAID that quote, you literally made that up just to say 10x all-star a bunch of times. Besides, when you have twice as many all-star appearances than you have All-NBA selections, top 10 MVP finishes & playoff wins as your teams best player COMBINED, it's safe to say those all-star selections aren't truly indicative of said players impact

[TommyGriffin]

3ball really does make a strong argument here. The numbers do not lie.

[Ranked 12th]

Lmao, he never even SAID that quote, you literally made that up just to say 10x all-star a bunch of times. Besides, when you have twice as many all-star appearances than you have All-NBA selections, top 10 MVP finishes & playoff wins as your teams best player COMBINED, it's safe to say those all-star selections aren't truly indicative of said players impact

3ball exposed :roll: :roll:

[warriorfan]

Lmao, he never even SAID that quote, you literally made that up just to say 10x all-star a bunch of times. Besides, when you have twice as many all-star appearances than you have All-NBA selections, top 10 MVP finishes & playoff wins as your teams best player COMBINED, it's safe to say those all-star selections aren't truly indicative of said players impact

Are you trying to say that Bosh sucks?

The 3 seasons Bosh had before playing with LeBron he was a 23/10 guy who was extremely efficient with solid defense. He was an elite player in the league.

http://s13.postimg.org/5ymfvrw7r/chrisboshbest_PF.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

Are you trying to say that Bosh sucks?

The 3 seasons Bosh had before playing with LeBron he was a 23/10 guy who was extremely efficient with solid defense. He was an elite player in the league.

http://s13.postimg.org/5ymfvrw7r/chrisboshbest_PF.jpg

Lol, did I say Bosh sucks? He's obviously a good, talented player, but there's literally no argument that can be made that he's been as impactful or accomplished as an 11x all-star would normally be. There have been 30 players to make 11 or more all-star appearances in league history

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s1sq4z.png

The difference between Bosh and the other players on that list? 29 out of 30 of them have accomplishments that can be listed on their resume besides all-star games, while Bosh virtually has none, just nice numbers on losing teams. So 3balls argument that he's some historic 3rd option simply because of all-star selections is disingenuous, and is far from telling the whole story

[Ranked 12th]

Lol, did I say Bosh sucks? He's obviously a good, talented player, but there's literally no argument that can be made that he's been as impactful or accomplished as an 11x all-star would normally be. There have been 30 players to make 11 or more all-star appearances in league history

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s1sq4z.png

The difference between Bosh and the other players on that list? 29 out of 30 of them have accomplishments that can be listed on their resume besides all-star games, while Bosh virtually has none, just nice numbers on losing teams. So 3balls argument that he's some historic 3rd option simply because of all-star selections is disingenuous, and is far from telling the whole story


Ether


Even if we limit it to 5+ all-star selections, Bosh is still probably the worst on the list

[ballinhun8]

Ugh. I just gagged reading those numbers.



Being a Bron stan I thought you were used to the gagging

[warriorfan]

Lol, did I say Bosh sucks? He's obviously a good, talented player, but there's literally no argument that can be made that he's been as impactful or accomplished as an 11x all-star would normally be. There have been 30 players to make 11 or more all-star appearances in league history

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s1sq4z.png

The difference between Bosh and the other players on that list? 29 out of 30 of them have accomplishments that can be listed on their resume besides all-star games, while Bosh virtually has none, just nice numbers on losing teams. So 3balls argument that he's some historic 3rd option simply because of all-star selections is disingenuous, and is far from telling the whole story

Ok, Bosh isn't as good as KAJ.

You have proved your point....

http://i.imgur.com/jofLzCA.gif

[Ranked 12th]

Ok, Bosh isn't as good as KAJ.

You have proved your point....

http://i.imgur.com/jofLzCA.gif


Harrison Barnes >> Bosh

[andgar923]

Wade: 15.9 points 4.6 rebs 4.8 assists on 45% FG with below average defense

MJ unlike Pip, set up his teammates better.

Not only did he create better looks for his teammates, he drew more double and triple teams which created easier looks for his teammates.

Whereas Bron just gave Wade the ball and stood in the corner while expecting an injured Wade to play one on one.

The effect Bron ball has is he turns players into spot up shooters, or forces them to create on their own.

MJ on the other hand, creates easier opportunities for his teammates, it was rare to see Pip create for himself while MJ was on the court, MJ used to feed Grant the easiest buckets, give his centers the ball for wide open dunks, MJ consistently found cutting players and kept the ball moving. Bron on the other hand stagnates the offense and turns players into statues on quicksand.

[Dresta]

And yet his game 4 (down 2-1) in the finals was one of the best games by anyone that series. Came up big when needed, despite ailing health. Where was Lebron in 2011? Hiding from the moment like a little bitch.

[GrapeApe]

Wade played through an injury that can sideline a player for a month, and he only missed one game. People within the organization have talked on several occasions about the toughness he showed in playing through that injury. He doesn't get enough credit for it because fans just look at his production being down for the first 3 rounds. It's no coincidence that his resurgent play in the finals was in line with the timetable for a bone bruise to heal.

Wade's performances in 7 in the ECF and game's 4 and 7 of the finals were absolutely critical to winning the title. Of course you can say if he was healthy and played better those series wouldn't have been as close, and there's probably some truth to that. However, he still stepped up big at crucial times. A lot of players would have let their struggles get the best of them, but Wade fought through it and helped his team win.

[Smoke117]

What defense?

In the 1996 ECF, Penny lit Pippen up for 25.5 ppg on 47%.. Otoh, Penny had exactly 1 point in the entire series on 0/5 fg when Jordan guarded him, as documented by youtube uploader "Nobody Touches Jordan":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtNOjco8yQ


In the 1996 Finals, the Game 6 closeout game was very tight and it almost went to 7 games - part of the reason it was so close was because Detlef Schrempf was lighting Pippen up for 23 points on 53% to lead the Sonics in scoring.

And Rodman's defense allowed Kemp to get 18/14 on 47%, while Harper allowed Payton 19 points on 70%... Jordan was the only guy who held his man down in Game 6 - if it wasn't for Jordan's 22/9/7 and holding Hersey Hawkins to 4 points on 2-6 (12 points below his RS and playoff average), the Bulls wouldn't have won.

Obviously, in the 1998 Finals, Pippen was old, hurt, and broken down - his defense wasn't good, especially in the last 2 games.

:facepalm Pippen led the 96 playoffs in drating and defensive winshares. And Pippens defense in the 98 finals before he hurt his back was a big reason they were up 3-1...of course his defense in the last two games wasn't good...he could barely even play you idiot.

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Pippen always gets the convenient pass of "he played elite defense" whenever he plays relatively atrocious offensively. People don't understand that individual defense can be overrated when it comes to impact. People literally give him a pass when he goes something like 2/15 in a finals game because of that. And it's not like he was holding guys down way below there averages or anything like that.