Lebron is confirmed top 3 all time in NBA history.

[Akrazotile]

Just thought this was worth a reminder.

[keep-itreal]

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[stalkerforlife]

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[GrapeApe]

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Ouch.

[Akrazotile]

4th quarter was Wade's job that year, remember? He wanted to be the man so Lebron gave him his chance.

After the crash and burn they switched roles and won back to back. Catapulting Lebron into the top 3 alltime spot he still holds today.

[GrapeApe]

4th quarter was Wade's job that year, remember? He wanted to be the man so Lebron gave him his chance.

After the crash and burn they switched roles and won back to back. Catapulting Lebron into the top 3 alltime spot he still holds today.

Was Lebron shooting 4/16 in 4th quarters part of the plan?

[Im Still Ballin]

Was Lebron shooting 4/16 in 4th quarters part of the plan?
Late shot clock bailout passes to Lebron in impossible positions.

[GrapeApe]

Late shot clock bailout passes to Lebron in impossible positions.

Nah, they were mostly open shots and even a few lightly contested layups. Regardless, a top 3 GOAT makes more than 4 of them.

[eliteballer]

No top 3 GOAT would give up back to back Finals MVP's to the opposing starter at his position.

[Real14]

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:applause: Shut that shit down!!!

Top 3 of losing in tha finals, I tell u that shit!:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

The major publications of the day have settled it. Lebron is top 3. Pay the proper respect.

[Labissiere]

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Also a good reminder .

[Akrazotile]

Lebron is a long way from #1 - imagine if your favorite player averaged 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency - that was MJ compared to Lebron:



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.



[quote]Scottie and Michael used to compete on everything. Jordan used always claim his hands were bigger, but they weren

[Lebronxrings]

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strong sample size.

[Akrazotile]

strong sample size.


Bron haters don't know the first thing about big size

[DMAVS41]

I would never put Lebron...given what he's done so far in his career and just his game overall..that high, but it's not the dumbest thing ever.

Especially as it becomes borderline impossible to rank the likes of Russell and Wilt accurately.

Like...since 1980....other than MJ...has there been a player in which it's just absurd to take Lebron over or say he's equal?

I'd imagine most would say Kareem as well, but then after that?

I mean...I personally have quite a few guys over Lebron still, but I don't think one is being an idiot to take Lebron over Magic, Bird, and Duncan...again, I would disagree, but dumbest thing? Nah...

The problem with Lebron is that it seems...as many have pointed out...he can only play one style. Now, normally they wouldn't be an issue, but the better Lebron's teammates are....the less effective/impactful that style is for the most part.

I think that has to hold some weight when placing guys all time.

The better Magic's or Bird's teammates got...the better they and the team got. They made already great players even better, for example, while I just don't see that in Lebron. Lebron has virtually no impact unless he's dominating the ball and he simply doesn't manage a game or improve others the way Magic did.

I could go on about other players, but there is no doubt Lebron is in that conversation with the best ever...and, in my opinion, there is no doubt he has some serious flaws in his game that should prevent him from reaching that ultimate elite tier with MJ.

That is just on his skills and impact....his career also falls short in terms of team achievements. Lebron only winning 2 titles thus far in his career is a little odd. Now, he had some tough circumstances for a long time, but he also has had some great circumstances as well.

And he's had 3 very poor finals in my opinion...07 and 11 are obvious, but his 15 finals, after the fact, was not very strong at all. That series was there for the taking...and Lebron shot a putrid 47.7% TS...and that simply isn't good enough.

That series kind of illustrates what holds Lebron back....single coverage most of the series and he can't manage better efficiency? He never learned to reliably trust his shot unless he's hot and it has killed him and his team a handful of times in the playoffs already...and the way this year is going...it's going to derail them again.

[red1]

2nd GOAT

[Real14]

2nd GOAT
he's better than tha niguh who scored 81 points on your team years ago?:lol

[red1]

he's better than tha niguh who scored 81 points on your team years ago?:lol
How's life buddy? Is melo still better than bron? Are the knicks still better than the raptors?





:roll:

[Real14]

How's life buddy? Is melo still better than bron? Are the knicks still better than the raptors?





:roll:
I don't care about Melo like that even tho he scored 62 points, whille bronna only scored 61:oldlol:. Knicks are still better than tha 3rd round virgin raptors historically tho:D

[fiddy]

not even top 10

[Cold soul]

Lebron is borderline top 10 right now at best he no case for top five.

[red1]

I don't care about Melo like that even tho he scored 62 points, whille bronna only scored 61:oldlol:. Knicks are still better than tha 3rd round virgin raptors historically tho:D
that's what I thought :roll:

[3ball]

2nd GOAT



He's a long way from 1st GOAT - imagine if your favorite player averaged 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency - that was MJ compared to Lebron:



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

yo OP, you're on my future neg list :cheers:

[Akrazotile]

yo OP, you're on my future neg list :cheers:


Ill rip the flesh off your face with my hands then pour acid on the exposed bone if you ever even ****ing think about neggin me :cheers:

[Ranked 12th]

Ill rip the flesh off your face with my hands then pour acid on the exposed bone if you ever even ****ing think about neggin me :cheers:

ether!

[Gileraracer]

Top 3 in loosing finals