so when curry sees legit defense he is useless..

[swagga]

some MVP tbh.
can't defend a chair and can't finish at the rim consistently and can't provide leadership.

some other guys like lebron/kobe at least give you defense, rebounding and leadership. Lebron in 2011 gave you elite D, rebounding and playmaking. Kobe in 2010 got 15 boards when his shot was not falling... and so on....

when did basketball get so pussified? you can't defend, MVP are ******* who don't play D, illegal screens aren't called?

modern basketball :facepalm

[keep-itreal]

maybe Oscar Robertson was right all along

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[plowking]

He averages 5 rebounds per game, and 2 steals per game.

He is an elite playmaker. He is the best playmaker in the league. He literally makes plays out of nothing.

One bad game and he sucks now? What did he do last time against the Spurs? Think he burned them so bad that he sat the second half.

[RRR3]

Love the way Spurs played the Gerbil. Trapping and whenever he came off a screen a second defender would be there waiting for him. Yeah that leaves the screener open for a cut but who gives a shit. All teams should play defense like this on the Warriors. Idk why they don't. Morons

[IGOTGAME]

He averages 5 rebounds per game, and 2 steals per game.

He is an elite playmaker. He is the best playmaker in the league. He literally makes plays out of nothing.

One bad game and he sucks now? What did he do last time against the Spurs? Think he burned them so bad that he sat the second half.

I think his biggest weakness is his point guard skills, specifically game management. He also isn't the best passer, he is often predicable with passes and the angle of the passes. But usually none of this matters because the Warriros can run him at shooting guard and play others at point.

[swagga]

He averages 5 rebounds per game, and 2 steals per game.

He is an elite playmaker. He is the best playmaker in the league. He literally makes plays out of nothing.

One bad game and he sucks now? What did he do last time against the Spurs? Think he burned them so bad that he sat the second half.

1. he is a good playmaker, he isn't chris paul. let's keep it real tbh.
2. steals are in no way correlated to defense. iverson led the league in steals and he was a minus defender. curry is a horrible defender, he can't stay in front of his man and gambles way too much, because he has great defenders that hide his mistakes when they rotate.
3. it's not about 1 or 2 games. it's about the fact that when legit defense is being played he struggles (see delladova, see spurs, see tony allen). He especially struggles with traps, on a team with stacked shooting too (so it's not that hard to break the trap). Problem is these days you can't play legit defense because you can't go through illegal screens.
4. curry gets superstar calls AND indirect calls, because they never call the most ridiculous illegal screens from GSW but they call every touch foul on him.

without illegal screens curry is just another good player. some of you young people are caught in the ESPN hype and are too blind to see it for what it is. curry is NOWHERE near peak kobe/jordan/duncan/lebron/shaq/magic/bird. nowhere.... but because these real MVPs don't grow on trees and 0 ball iq dudes like you read stats for breakfast they change the rules, making chuckers are encouraged and get good-not-goat players like curry/harden MVPs.

[RRR3]

Curry does panic every time he gets trapped. He often throws it out of bounds when this happens. Which is why I am in disbelief that teams don't trap him more.

[plowking]

Oh fark, this shit again.

Whatever. Just continue to think Curry isn't an amazing player. Shit on everything apart from his shooting. Soon you'll be like IGOTGAME going from being amazed to going back to being overly critical on every point about his game.

Outside of 1 game, he destroyed Delly in the finals last year.
He is a good defender. All the advanced stats support it. He is second on his team in DWS only to Draymond Green. He is 15th in the league in defensive win shares.

Every raw and advanced statistic supports the opposite of what you suggest. Basically, you're wrong. You can continue to let your bias get in the way of actual facts, but at the end of the day, you will be wrong.

[IGOTGAME]

Oh fark, this shit again.

Whatever. Just continue to think Curry isn't an amazing player. Shit on everything apart from his shooting. Soon you'll be like IGOTGAME going from being amazed to going back to being overly critical on every point about his game.

Outside of 1 game, he destroyed Delly in the finals last year.
He is a good defender. All the advanced stats support it. He is second on his team in DWS only to Draymond Green. He is 15th in the league in defensive win shares.


Every raw and advanced statistic supports the opposite of what you suggest. Basically, you're wrong. You can continue to let your bias get in the way of actual facts, but at the end of the day, you will be wrong.

Does anything I had to say contradict the fact that I think he is the best player in the world? You can criticize someone for their flaws and still understand how good they are....

[plowking]

Does anything I had to say contradict the fact that I think he is the best player in the world? You can criticize someone for their flaws and still understand how good they are....

He is a great passer though. And he is a better than average defender.

[IGOTGAME]

He is a great passer though. And he is a better than average defender.

Didn't mention defense. And we can argue over the definition of the word great but what I said is he has those issues in regard to his game management and passing. Guess nothing contradicts what I'm saying.

[BarberSchool]

Love the way Spurs played the Gerbil. Trapping and whenever he came off a screen a second defender would be there waiting for him. Yeah that leaves the screener open for a cut but who gives a shit. All teams should play defense like this on the Warriors. Idk why they don't. Morons
This.

[BarberSchool]

And it's not only about seeing great defense that runs him off even the deepest three. Last night was about not having your normal huge screen machine who is also a great passer. And I will agree the Warriors as a team set some questionable screens. BOGUT amongst the guilty parties. But BOGUT is just so damn big and gets wide that he doesn't really need to move.

[lilteapot]

You people are such prisoners of the moment. Watch him go off in the next game, this forum will be full of "CURRY IS GOAT!!!" threads

[Dr Hawk]

You people are such prisoners of the moment. Watch him go off in the next game, this forum will be full of "CURRY IS GOAT!!!" threads

Against a weak defense

[buddha]

reactionary threads are so ****ing stupid. Curry had 37 the first time they played the Spurs.

and if Curry wasn't ice cold from three, say he hit 3 more like he normally does (he had plenty of open looks) he would have scored 23 points and the Warriors would have won by 1 point.

[pastis]

ja sicher!

[Inferno]

Lmao. The Warriors only play against "legit defenses" when they lose, I guess. Steph's averaging 30/5/6 against non-legit defenses, guys. :oldlol: The SA game was the Dubs first time playing a legit defense in 70 games!:oldlol:

Oh, and it wasn't a legit defense when Steph dropped 37 on the Spurs. Nope, that doesn't count! :lol

[Uncle Drew]

Lmao. The Warriors only play against "legit defenses" when they lose, I guess. Steph's averaging 30/5/6 against non-legit defenses, guys. :oldlol: The SA game was the Dubs first time playing a legit defense in 70 games!:oldlol:

Oh, and it wasn't a legit defense when Steph dropped 37 on the Spurs. Nope, that doesn't count! :lol
Meltdown.

[Inferno]

Meltdown.

I'll meltdown if the Warriors don't win the chip, not bc they lost a regular season game :oldlol:

I thought you were better than this :facepalm

[Cali Syndicate]

1st game, Warriors beat the spurs. Destroyed them actually. They had a solid game plan and executed. Really helps when the momentum is strong and the shots are falling.

2nd game, spurs made some adjustments and it worked. Very well actually. Spurs are the most disciplined team in the nba. It's difficult to break whatever gear they play at

3rd game, both teams will make adjustments and one game plan will work better than the other. Variables such as execution, keeping careless turnovers low, shots falling, foul trouble, refs, etc also fall into play

This is basics of basketball. Don't understand how some of y'all don't get it.

This is what a great coach does and prepares for. Pop is a great coach. Kerr is solid and will look to the tape and look for holes in the defense. Pop will do the same. This is one game. Spurs won. Both teams are elite. Warriors obviously struggled offensively but they had pros here too. Showed at least they can fall back on their defense. And that's with two of their top defenders out.

Game 3 + playoffs will be something special. Hopefully these shit refs do their job.

[Nick Young]

some MVP tbh.
can't defend a chair and can't finish at the rim consistently and can't provide leadership.

some other guys like lebron/kobe at least give you defense, rebounding and leadership. Lebron in 2011 gave you elite D, rebounding and playmaking. Kobe in 2010 got 15 boards when his shot was not falling... and so on....

when did basketball get so pussified? you can't defend, MVP are ******* who don't play D, illegal screens aren't called?

modern basketball :facepalm
Curry played badly by continuing to shoot contested shots, rather than take the drive when they gave it to him. If Curry switched it up and started driving and dishing and acting as a facilitator Warriors would have won. Even so, if Curry he 2 more threes-and he missed shots he often makes-Warriors would have won that game.

Also they were missing their true leader Iggy.

[jimmy77x]

Meltdown.

How is that a meltdown? why are haters trying to pretend as if that first ass kicking didn't happen.

[SchrOEder]

Schroder is struggling with his shot, while he can slash the defense with his penetrations and can play solid d. Schroder/Curry hybrid would be nice :applause:

[Black and White]

1 game, watch him come out and torch the next team, they were trapping Curry well, when that happens, his team has to adjust.

People overreacting on this forum.

[3ball]

reactionary threads are so ****ing stupid. Curry had 37 the first time they played the Spurs.


The Spurs ALWAYS need that 2nd go-round to adjust - look at the 2014 Finals vs. 2013 Finals.

[SchrOEder]

1 game, watch him come out and torch the next team, they were trapping Curry well, when that happens, his team has to adjust.

People overreacting on this forum.

maybe. But honestly, a 7 game series against the spurs defense? Im not saying its impossible, but curry had some problems with delly.....green and kawhi are 10x better and if the spurs can hold curry to like 20-22ppg i dont see any chance for them

[Inferno]

maybe. But honestly, a 7 game series against the spurs defense? Im not saying its impossible, but curry had some problems with delly.....green and kawhi are 10x better and if the spurs can hold curry to like 20-22ppg i dont see any chance for them

Aaaand just like last year, the underestimation of the Warriors begins (how is that even possible?)...

The Warriors are favorites to win, no excuse.

[Black and White]

maybe. But honestly, a 7 game series against the spurs defense? Im not saying its impossible, but curry had some problems with delly.....green and kawhi are 10x better and if the spurs can hold curry to like 20-22ppg i dont see any chance for them

Why do people act like Delly shut Curry down? the last 3 games, what happened? Curry torched him.

I do not doubt the Spurs/Warriors won't go down to the wire, as I said it comes down to the rest of the team if they are trapping Curry.

[Spurs m8]

First game was a life time ago...Warriors have dropped off a bit, not to mention they had a lucky day that day, and Spurs played terrible.

Spurs have figured them out, the defense yesterday was beautiful, they switched so well, the Warriors scored 79 POINTS LMAO

You can all cry Curry had a terrible game, but that was due to the Spurs shutting him down.

Spurs didn't even play great yesterday themselves, which is what makes this even more awesome :banana: :banana: :banana:

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[Sarcastic]

Love the way Spurs played the Gerbil. Trapping and whenever he came off a screen a second defender would be there waiting for him. Yeah that leaves the screener open for a cut but who gives a shit. All teams should play defense like this on the Warriors. Idk why they don't. Morons

There's only like 2-3 teams that play actual defense, and 1 of them is the Warriors.

[Inferno]

First game was a life time ago...Warriors have dropped off a bit, not to mention they had a lucky day that day, and Spurs played terrible.

Spurs have figured them out, the defense yesterday was beautiful, they switched so well, the Warriors scored 79 POINTS LMAO

You can all cry Curry had a terrible game, but that was due to the Spurs shutting him down.

Spurs didn't even play great yesterday themselves, which is what makes this even more awesome :banana: :banana: :banana:

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3 of our key players didn't play breh, and it was a b2b and y'all only won by 8. I'll take it :lol

[swagga]

@previous warriors vs spurs
the people kindly reminding us of the previous warriors spurs game need to understand that pop tested them the last time by playing at the warrior's pace, and the spurs failed. A great coach testing a strategy in a regular season game (not something new with pop). This time he went with the pound-that-smallball tactic and it got the warriors shook. They were taking some bad shots tbh, it's not "the shots didn't go in", plain bad shots.

@curry adjusting
in order for him to adjust he has to have either
- a slashing game, which he doesn't
- an all around contribution game, which he doesn't
- illegal screens galore ... he'll get what he needs next time bogut "plays".

@dellavedova
- you don't guard curry 1v1, you trap him
- curry played great in the finals after his first 3 games because the cavs had a very short roster due to injuries and delly got tired, so they couldn't trap him effectively. Furthermore kerr closed the trap with david lee


lol @overrreaction, y'all boxscore watching losers need to watch the game.

[swagga]

There's only like 2-3 teams that play actual defense, and 1 of them is the Warriors.

sad but true.

[swagga]

Curry played badly by continuing to shoot contested shots, rather than take the drive when they gave it to him. If Curry switched it up and started driving and dishing and acting as a facilitator Warriors would have won. Even so, if Curry he 2 more threes-and he missed shots he often makes-Warriors would have won that game.

Also they were missing their true leader Iggy.

the real (F)MVP tbh :applause:

[Black and White]

@previous warriors vs spurs
the people kindly reminding us of the previous warriors spurs game need to understand that pop tested them the last time by playing at the warrior's pace, and the spurs failed. A great coach testing a strategy in a regular season game (not something new with pop). This time he went with the pound-that-smallball tactic and it got the warriors shook. They were taking some bad shots tbh, it's not "the shots didn't go in", plain bad shots.

@curry adjusting
in order for him to adjust he has to have either
- a slashing game, which he doesn't
- an all around contribution game, which he doesn't
- illegal screens galore ... he'll get what he needs next time bogut "plays".

@dellavedova
- you don't guard curry 1v1, you trap him
- curry played great in the finals after his first 3 games because the cavs had a very short roster due to injuries and delly got tired, so they couldn't trap him effectively. Furthermore kerr closed the trap with david lee


lol @overrreaction, y'all boxscore watching losers need to watch the game.

Of course it's an overreaction, it was one game, you're acting like the Warriors got blown out or something, with Klay and Curry both shooting badly and no Iggy (one of their core pieces) they were still in the game.

You're also forgetting the other side of the floor, Golden State also played good defence.

Let the playoff's come around before we jump to conclusions about Curry being shut down, the people that said that in the first few games of last years finals ended up eating their words.

[Spurs m8]

How the **** do Warriors fans talk about overreactions with a straight face? lmfao

Their whole season they've been overreacting...now they're melting down.

Pathetic

[Inferno]

How the **** do Warriors fans talk about overreactions with a straight face? lmfao

Their whole season they've been overreacting...now they're melting down.

Pathetic

What have we been overreacting to? The Dubs having an all time great regular season? :biggums:

[Spurs m8]

Have a look at users like warriorfan and tell me I'm wrong

Cheers

[Cali Syndicate]

Love the way Spurs played the Gerbil. Trapping and whenever he came off a screen a second defender would be there waiting for him. Yeah that leaves the screener open for a cut but who gives a shit. All teams should play defense like this on the Warriors. Idk why they don't. Morons

That's because you don't play ball or never really played wit athletic ballers. In real time with the speed of the game, it's difficult to stay react properly to screens especially when bigger stronger guys set those picks. You might think it's easy cause your experience comes from playing ball at the park where everyone is the same height. When a quick player with the ball uses a screen set by someone who towers over you and outweighs you by 20-30 lbs, it's not always easy to do what is textbook.

[Black and White]

How the **** do Warriors fans talk about overreactions with a straight face? lmfao

Their whole season they've been overreacting...now they're melting down.

Pathetic

First of all, I'm not a Warriors fan and you don't need to be one to see how good they are,

second of all, they are the defending champions, it's like you've forgotten.

[Black and White]

Have a look at users like warriorfan and tell me I'm wrong

Cheers

You realize thats Mr. Jabbar right?

[nba_55]

You realize thats Mr. Jabbar right?
That would be some serious psycho shit if warriorfan is mr.jabbar.

[Gone_Fishin]

They're the same.

It's also not different than the LeBron poster talking to himself with multiple accounts. I actually believe several people do that.

This place is filled with people who need to be on medication. The people arguing with them or even laughing from afar are enablers.

[Legends66NBA7]

There's only like 2-3 teams that play actual defense, and 1 of them is the Warriors.

What is "actual defense" and who's the 3rd team ?

[Inferno]

What is "actual defense" and who's the 3rd team ?

These losers will have you think the Warriors only face legit defenses when they lose, so it must be the Lakers or Bucks :roll:

[DoctorP]

Was this Curry's first bad game of the season? :lol

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Spurs fans are waaaaay too arrogant ITT. Calm the fvck down.

[Spurs m8]

Spurs fans are waaaaay too arrogant ITT. Calm the fvck down.

We're playing around with the bandwagon losers, we aren't arrogant at all, even after we win a ring....Warrior fans obviously haven't taken note tbh

[34-24 Footwork]

We're playing around with the bandwagon losers, we aren't arrogant at all, even after we win a ring....Warrior fans obviously haven't taken note tbh

You're just over the top, brother. Chillax. If you think the Spurs got the Warriors and Curry "figured out", then you got another thing coming.

[Spurs m8]

You're just over the top, brother. Chillax. If you think the Spurs got the Warriors and Curry "figured out", then you got another thing coming.

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Inferno]

We're playing around with the bandwagon losers, we aren't arrogant at all, even after we win a ring....Warrior fans obviously haven't taken note tbh

:roll:

[DoctorP]

You're just over the top, brother. Chillax. If you think the Spurs got the Warriors and Curry "figured out", then you got another thing coming.


:roll:

so passionate.

[Legends66NBA7]

We're playing around with the bandwagon losers, we aren't arrogant at all, even after we win a ring....Warrior fans obviously haven't taken note tbh

How can real Warrior fans take notice when they don't act arrogant whatsoever when the bandwagon ones do ?

[90sgoat]

Warriorfans have been untolerable little school girls giggling over their man crush Curry. Don't make me dig up the hundreds of 'Curry is GOAT' 'Curry would beat MJ' 'Warriors best eva' type posts.

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Warriorfans have been untolerable little school girls giggling over their man crush Curry. Don't make me dig up the hundreds of 'Curry is GOAT' 'Curry would beat MJ' 'Warriors best eva' type posts.

I think these posts are over the top also. No doubt.

But lets not kid ourselves. People are upset because the Warriors are breaking all the rules...specifically Curry. He doesn't have the best "shot selection", but no one can hold that against him because of the large margin of success.

[Inferno]

Warriorfans have been untolerable little school girls giggling over their man crush Curry. Don't make me dig up the hundreds of 'Curry is GOAT' 'Curry would beat MJ' 'Warriors best eva' type posts.

Find a single post of me saying one of those things. A single post.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ the amount of trolling that would be happening if MJ played in the New Media era. MJ/Bird Stans should be the LAST PEOPLE talking about trolling and etc. MJ stans would be like us Laker fans on steroids....

[knicksman]

Well this is the same spurs that bran constantly disappears. At least he got respect from pop whose defense scrambles for curry. Unlike certain someone who is given 5ft and boris diaw. But superstar tho or 3rd alltime. Only an idiot would think that a player being disrespected like that is a superstar

[tmacattack33]

He averages 5 rebounds per game, and 2 steals per game.

He is an elite playmaker. He is the best playmaker in the league. He literally makes plays out of nothing.

One bad game and he sucks now? What did he do last time against the Spurs? Think he burned them so bad that he sat the second half.

I wish they would get rid of steals. It's a misleading stat.

I'm not going to be impressed by someone who gambles in the passing lanes and by reaching in a lot and gets it right 2 times (ie 2 steals per game), but was burnt off the dribble 10 times, toyed with in the post 5 times, had someone nail a jumper in his face 5 times, was late to help 5 times, and got lost in pick and rolls 5 times.

[toxicxr6]

I wish they would get rid of steals. It's a misleading stat.

I'm not going to be impressed by someone who gambles in the passing lanes and by reaching in a lot and gets it right 2 times (ie 2 steals per game), but was burnt off the dribble 10 times, toyed with in the post 5 times, had someone nail a jumper in his face 5 times, was late to help 5 times, and got lost in pick and rolls 5 times.


Kwahi is absolute evidence of this.
Last year he led the league in steals/game.. This year his steals/game are way down. He is not taking as many gambles now and conforming with the team defensive plan. The result the Spurs defence is vastly improved. This is where stats don't show the story at all.

[Paul George 24]

He averages 5 rebounds per game, and 2 steals per game.

He is an elite playmaker. He is the best playmaker in the league. He literally makes plays out of nothing.

One bad game and he sucks now? What did he do last time against the Spurs? Think he burned them so bad that he sat the second half.
LOL BEST PLAYMARKING ???????????
U SHOULD ASK CP3 1ST

[Terahite]

We should all just appreciate how great a matchup these two teams are when competitive. Last night's game was probably one of the most entertaining of the season (along with Dubs' first game against OKC). This rivalry will out-GOAT Magic-Bird if it stays competitive.

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[Rocketswin2013]

tim duncan effect.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

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:bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Nah nikkas say im a "curry hater" (im not im just be honest) but he can figure out legit defenses. Spurs tried something new show hard with bigs out to the 3pt lane and make Steph slash, switch screens and make stephanie finish in traffic which she struggles with. Shes shooting crazy % at rim b/c of threat of 3pt shot if u take that away dudes whole game breaks down. His entire game, playmaking, slashing, finishing passing etc is based off threat of his 3pt shooting

with that said its fair to criticize his defense. Hes a subpar defender lol @ nikkas still using stats to try to capture defense. Carlos Boozer had elite defensive stats when he played for the Thibs Bulls. Its called a strong defensive system which Ron Adams has put in Golden State. Steph is a bad defender. Dude was assigned to Danny fcking Green in the 4th and got lit up for 9 pts, Danny fcking Green was blowing by this man:roll: :roll: Huertas and Delly looked like good offensive players when he was checkin em:roll: :roll:

[swagga]

some of the shit i'm reading here is :lol , i'll help you people out a bit more.

context:
gsw is so good because gsw lives and dies by transition/semi-transition basketball. When they get in transition they move the ball really well to get their exceptional 3p shooters open shots. When they play half court they dissect it into mini-transition 3man games. The keys to making this possible are (in this order), illegal screens, draymond green's playmaking and mobility (while playing the 5) and curry 3p shot.

what happened:
what happened in spurs vs warriors is that pop decided to guard draymond green with mobile 3-4 (kwahi and diaw) who could switch anything as they are good perimeter defenders and good trappers. this killed the GSW pnr game and made it hard for them to create the mini-transition 3 man games they do so well. Furthermore, the spurs kept the pace low to stop the transition game. Also, the spurs ran a lot of loops with manu/parker/mills/green to tire curry out (a soft lousy defender)

It's not 90s ball because they stopped the 3 and dared gsw to beat them with traditional basketball, which they can play, but not great as they don't have slashers or post-up threats.

Hopefully the rest of the league takes notice and starts playing draymond green on D for what he is ... an undersized 4. take away the draymond green PNR you take away one of the key openers for their 3 man games. If you do this and the refs call the crazy illegal screens gsw is very beatable without crazy stacked teams. pop even got away with aldridge guarding 3s, as barnes can't create or iso efficiently (this is where iguadala is the 2nd key to the warriors)

So as you can see GSW are an excellently build team, created to feast on the weak defenses of the league. They are heavily dependent on their gamestyle, and lack tactical flexibility. GSW aren't the celtics/magic/bulls/01 lakers, they are a great team but not a true GOAT team, they're just beating up on this weak defensive league and getting the BSPN hype.

Btw, I always chuckle when people say gsw > 11/12/13 heat (in a series not RS), they'd get viciously trapped.

Just reading this thread makes me wonder if many of you people actually play basketball. :roll: inb4 meltdown/one game/rent free .. y'all people got ZERO arguments, just shitposting for the sake of shitposting.

[Spurs m8]

Good post tbh

[SexSymbol]

What happened is a tired team on a back to back met a completely fresh team that could barely beat them.
You guys do realize that if Spurs win one game against the Warriors in the playoffs it could be considered a great result right?

[raprap]

Chuckbe fans are so shameless itt.

[3ball]

It's not 90s ball because they stopped the 3


:wtf:

Teams attempted far less 3-pointers and had worse 3-pt efficiency in the 90's - so how did the 90's NOT stop the 3?

ALL eras defend good shooters tightly on the perimeter, so guys like Reggie Miller, Bird or Dale Ellis were guarded just as tightly as today.

Infact, they were guarded much tighter due to legal hand-checking, whereas today's perimeter defense bans hand-checking - the NBA's hands-off rule requires space between defender and ballhandler, allowing for easier driving and shooting than previous eras.





they dared gsw to beat them with traditional basketball, which they can play, but not great as they don't have slashers or post-up threats.


"Traditional basketball" that includes post-ups and cutting IS 90's basketball.

It's clear that smart defense (like what you talked about), coupled with slower pace, superior rebounding and higher physicality (90's basketball) is the Warriors' kryptonite.





90s type defense didnt emphasize the 3 point defense as much as protecting the paint.


Teams didn't need to emphasize 3-point defense because the 3-point-producing, drive-and-kick plays of today's game weren't common back then - POST-UPS were the staple of most offenses, so teams had to emphasize defending the paint instead of the 3-point line.

But now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.
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[Phenith]

So there is one legit defensive team in the league... or was that just an off game from Curry...

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

:roll: :roll: Spurts couldnt even get past the Cloppers

[Legends66NBA7]

Nah nikkas say im a "curry hater" (im not im just be honest)

You are though. Just like you hate LeBron.

At least be real and just say it.

[SpursAllDay]

:roll: :roll: Spurts couldnt even get past the Cloppers
:wtf: :biggums: Clips can't even beat a battered Pelicans team...:lol :lol

[Cali Syndicate]

I wish they would get rid of steals. It's a misleading stat.

I'm not going to be impressed by someone who gambles in the passing lanes and by reaching in a lot and gets it right 2 times (ie 2 steals per game), but was burnt off the dribble 10 times, toyed with in the post 5 times, had someone nail a jumper in his face 5 times, was late to help 5 times, and got lost in pick and rolls 5 times.

Gary Payton feels the same way. I'm sure it's an easy find on YouTube but he mentions that he feels he was a better in 95 and when he didn't get the dpoy he consciously chose to up his steals averages and viola, dpoy.

Iverson wasn't a good defender. But he was 5'11" 170lbs. It's a bit difficult if that's your stature in the nba. So instead of wearing himself out trying to be a strong defender, he instead used his quickness to play the lanes. Not a bad strategy.

Curry steal marks is cause he has good quick hands. Has been that way since a rookie. He's good when he digs down and read passes well. This hasn't changed much. His ability to stay in front of a defender is where he's gotten considerably better season after season. The one area he gets exposed on is he cant fight through screens well and bigger players can post him up pretty easy. But on the perimeter one on one, he is considerably better than the likes of actual bad defenders.

[sdot_thadon]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's useless, the spurs tested a brilliant game plan on the warriors and it went well. Now it's currys turn to try and adjust if he can and overcome it. He likely won't get the chance until the wcf knowing pop. Wouldn't be surprised if he rests his guys the next 2 games to hold that mental edge until they meet in the postseason.

[swagga]

:wtf:

Teams attempted far less 3-pointers and had worse 3-pt efficiency in the 90's - so how did the 90's NOT stop the 3?

ALL eras defend good shooters tightly on the perimeter, so guys like Reggie Miller, Bird or Dale Ellis were guarded just as tightly as today.

Infact, they were guarded much tighter due to legal hand-checking, whereas today's perimeter defense bans hand-checking - the NBA's hands-off rule requires space between defender and ballhandler, allowing for easier driving and shooting than previous eras.



"Traditional basketball" that includes post-ups and cutting IS 90's basketball.

It's clear that smart defense (like what you talked about), coupled with slower pace, superior rebounding and higher physicality (90's basketball) is the Warriors' kryptonite.



Teams didn't need to emphasize 3-point defense because the 3-point-producing, drive-and-kick plays of today's game weren't common back then - POST-UPS were the staple of most offenses, so teams had to emphasize defending the paint instead of the 3-point line.

But now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.
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first, son please control your adhd problems.

90s defense era was handchecking based, you wanted to shoot that 3, you needed to man up and make some space or shoot with contact.
10s defense era is trap based, you trap a decent-not-great passer into mistakes that make the clock go, so the offense can't go to its bread and butter plays.
spurs warriors was trapping, not handchecking.

mj would've been a goat trapper tho.:applause:

[Cali Syndicate]

first, son please control your adhd problems.

90s defense era was handchecking based, you wanted to shoot that 3, you needed to man up and make some space or shoot with contact.
10s defense era is trap based, you trap a decent-not-great passer into mistakes that make the clock go, so the offense can't go to its bread and butter plays.
spurs warriors was trapping, not handchecking.

mj would've been a goat trapper tho.:applause:

Trapping existed in the 90s.

You must have not watched mj? Won't find stuff like this on YouTube unless you sit through entire games. A mj and pippen trap was crazy effective, shaving 18 seconds off the shot clock before the offense could even set up on the perimeter. It was like tony Allen and Kawhi trapping you forcing a bad possession leading to a wade and lebron fast break the other way.

[3ball]

Trapping existed in the 90s.

You must have not watched mj? Won't find stuff like this on YouTube unless you sit through entire games. A mj and pippen trap was crazy effective, shaving 18 seconds off the shot clock before the offense could even set up on the perimeter. It was like tony Allen and Kawhi trapping you forcing a bad possession leading to a wade and lebron fast break the other way.


Seriously - set this ignoramus swagga straight.

What a fool - only a complete idiot who knows NOTHING about basketball thinks that trapping didn't exist in the 90's.. Because of this ignorance - Swagga is on permanent ignore from now on...

I can't deal with people who don't know basketball BASICS... For someone to think that they didn't trap in the 90's is dumber than people thinking man-to-man defense meant you had to stay right next to your man at all times (i.e. can't sag off 3-point shooters).

[swagga]

Trapping existed in the 90s.

You must have not watched mj? Won't find stuff like this on YouTube unless you sit through entire games. A mj and pippen trap was crazy effective, shaving 18 seconds off the shot clock before the offense could even set up on the perimeter. It was like tony Allen and Kawhi trapping you forcing a bad possession leading to a wade and lebron fast break the other way.

of course I've seen him play and of course i've seen the court press with pippen.
I meant in todays trap only era, without handchecking. he'd be even more valuable in this era because he was quick as hell, long and strong and a feisty mofo :oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

some MVP tbh.
can't defend a chair and can't finish at the rim consistently and can't provide leadership.

some other guys like lebron/kobe at least give you defense, rebounding and leadership. Lebron in 2011 gave you elite D, rebounding and playmaking. Kobe in 2010 got 15 boards when his shot was not falling... and so on....

when did basketball get so pussified? you can't defend, MVP are ******* who don't play D, illegal screens aren't called?

modern basketball :facepalm


ITS ONLY ONE GAME... I DO AGREE THAT THE WARRIORS GET AWAY WITH MORE ILLEGAL SCREENS THAN ANY OTHER TEAM... :rockon:

[Noyze]

Maybe this is what Oscar was talking about

[Hoopz2332]

:applause:

[RRR3]

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