Can we all agree that Curry > Jordan, Bran, Kobe as a person?

[Ca$H]

Whether you're a Jordan stan, Bran stan, Kobe stan, Curry stan, or just an objective NBA fan I think it's safe to say that this isn't even an argument.

[warriorfan]

GOAT human being and future president

[zizozain]

so far yes.

and lebron is the worst person ever

[ScalsFan21]

Whether you're a Jordan stan, Bran stan, Kobe stan, Curry stan, or just an objective NBA fan I think it's safe to say that this isn't even an argument.

For now, yes. (unabashed LeGOAT stan here).

It goes Curry, LeKing, Grand Canyon-sized chasm, Kobe, Jordan in terms of quality of person from what I can see.

At the same time, the other three achieved all-time greatness FAR sooner in their careers than Steph has, and maybe that has helped him in retaining his humility for longer. We're gonna have to see how it all wraps up, but I highly doubt Curry will ever be accused of rape, team obliteration, being a net negative on the court night in and night out, "retiring" for suspicious and unconvincing reasons that don't come close to adding up, causing major problems for himself via his gambling debts, punching out or being verbally abusing to his own teammates, crying about his team, talking about teaming up with other players in the middle of a playoff race, talking about how people who root against him at the end of the day are just going to have to go back to their same problem-filled lives when they wake up tomorrow, or anything of that nature.

So yeah. Curry tops that list.

[masonanddixon]

Of course, but that's not exactly a high bar, lol.

One guy is a serial gambler with no morality, another has been coddled since birth and has no respect for anyone, and the other is a rapist.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Of course, but that's not exactly a high bar, lol.

One guy is a serial gambler with no morality, another has been coddled since birth and has no respect for anyone, and the other is a rapist.
:roll:

He has the perfect life there has to be something wrong with him. Maybe one day it will come out. :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

:roll:

He has the perfect life there has to be something wrong with him. Maybe one day it will come out. :oldlol:

I don't know. The dude grew up pretty wealthy and appears to have been raised pretty well, and his mom is a MILFarino.

Only negative thing I can think of is that he still looks like an adolescent.

[knicksman]

For now, yes. (unabashed LeGOAT stan here).

It goes Curry, LeKing, Grand Canyon-sized chasm, Kobe, Jordan in terms of quality of person from what I can see.

At the same time, the other three achieved all-time greatness FAR sooner in their careers than Steph has, and maybe that has helped him in retaining his humility for longer. We're gonna have to see how it all wraps up, but I highly doubt Curry will ever be accused of rape, team obliteration, being a net negative on the court night in and night out, "retiring" for suspicious and unconvincing reasons that don't come close to adding up, causing major problems for himself via his gambling debts, punching out or being verbally abusing to his own teammates, crying about his team, talking about teaming up with other players in the middle of a playoff race, talking about how people who root against him at the end of the day are just going to have to go back to their same problem-filled lives when they wake up tomorrow, or anything of that nature.

So yeah. Curry tops that list.

id rather have an enemy than a fake friend. And bran is the fake friend while jordan/kobe are the enemies. Bran is a fake nice guy but will backstab you if he doesnt get what he wants. So hes really the worse.

And his game reflects that. You think hes not selfish because he averages high apg but actually he is coz he refuse to play team ball(off-ball) for statpadding and mvp purposes. Theres a reason why oscar was considered a cancer despite high apg

[Lebron23]

id rather have an enemy than a fake friend. And bran is the fake friend while jordan/kobe are the enemies. Bran is a fake nice guy but will backstab you if he doesnt get what he wants. So hes really the worse.

And his game reflects that. You think hes not selfish because he averages high apg but actually he is coz he refuse to play team ball(off-ball) for statpadding and mvp purposes. Theres a reason why oscar was considered a cancer despite high apg

I hope you die this year. I am not even kidding. Lots of innocent people are dying, but @$$hole like you are still breathing.

Life is not fair.

[Ca$H]

I hope you die this year. I am not even kidding. Lots of innocent people are dying, but @$$hole like you are still breathing.

Life is not fair.

mods. :eek:

[Lebron23]

mods. :eek:


He's a garbage poster just like you. ISH would be a much better place if you guys stop posting in the NBA Forum. Simon is a better poster than both of you. At least he discussed some NBA topics unlike you who hate LeBron, and glorified his rivals.

You guys are a bunch of Yoyo's.

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/00/003048aedb1edce701f8f5371544a26f41f63b6a000e0360a1 fa3e23803d84c9.jpg

[zizozain]

I hope you die this year. I am not even kidding. Lots of innocent people are dying, but @$$hole like you are still breathing.

Life is not fair.
Lebron said 'karma is bitch' be careful bro

just an advice

[Lebron23]

Lebron said 'karma is bitch' be careful bro

just an advice


I don't believe in Karma cause I am not even a Buddhist.

[raprap]

I don't believe in Karma cause I am not even a Buddhist.
Ether! :eek: :applause:

[Bankaii]

Jordan: compulsive gambler
Kobe: rapist snitch
Lebron: switched basketball teams:rolleyes:

[3ball]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):


4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.

2) Kobe - great genes, privileged upbringing, but had to learn Italian to fit in - upon returning to the US, he obsessed about the game so he could forget that he doesn't really fit in and is a different kind of kat.. Unfairly rode the bench early on and had to prove himself in the NBA.

1) Jordan - had to overcome poor training, nutrition, and racism in the 70's South.. Also had to react WELL (work harder) after getting cut as sophomore... Was NEVER coddled - got discovered in the blazing summer heat at 5-star camp as a junior... His first Nike contract was 500k total for 5 years.

[tmacattack33]

For now, yes. (unabashed LeGOAT stan here).

It goes Curry, LeKing, Grand Canyon-sized chasm, Kobe, Jordan in terms of quality of person from what I can see.

At the same time, the other three achieved all-time greatness FAR sooner in their careers than Steph has, and maybe that has helped him in retaining his humility for longer. We're gonna have to see how it all wraps up, but I highly doubt Curry will ever be accused of rape, team obliteration, being a net negative on the court night in and night out, "retiring" for suspicious and unconvincing reasons that don't come close to adding up, causing major problems for himself via his gambling debts, punching out or being verbally abusing to his own teammates, crying about his team, talking about teaming up with other players in the middle of a playoff race, talking about how people who root against him at the end of the day are just going to have to go back to their same problem-filled lives when they wake up tomorrow, or anything of that nature.

So yeah. Curry tops that list.

This

[jstern]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):


4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.

2) Kobe - great genes, privileged upbringing, but had to learn Italian to fit in - upon returning to the US, he obsessed about the game so he could forget that he doesn't really fit in and is a different kind of kat.. Unfairly rode the bench early on and had to prove himself in the NBA.

1) Jordan - had to overcome poor training, nutrition, and racism in the 70's South.. Also had to react WELL (work harder) after getting cut as sophomore... Was NEVER coddled - got discovered in the blazing summer heat at 5-star camp as a junior... His first Nike contract was 500k total for 5 years.

It's hard to say who had it tougher. For example, a Jordan personality type simply has the best chances of succeeding despite the circumstances. For example, Horace Grant used to love to play ping pong. Michael Jordan had never played ping pong. Horace invited Jordan to play ping pong, Horace destroys Jordan in ping pong. The next day Michael Jordan buys a ping pong table, and proceeds to practice everyday for 6 months. He then challenges Horace and the rest of the Bulls and proceeds to beat them all over and over, for hours until they can't go anymore. A person like that is just going to succeed.

I can definitely say that Curry had it the easiest. I saw an interview with him, and what a life. Not only was he a rich kid, but his father is Dell Curry. Most people don't have the luxury of having a father who could see something off in their kids natural shooting form, and then have that kid perfect a shooting form that was not natural for them, but perfect for them. That was such a gift. And when I think of Steph Curry growing up, I imagine just such a relaxed person due to having absolutely zero worries, just relaxing shooting 3 pointers. And then the NBA rules were changed in a way that would make him the best player in the world.

Can't say Kobe had it too rough, since not only did he have the skills, the hype, the franchise when he entered into the league, but he expected to be the GOAT. No stress there. Then he had a Shaq.

Lebron wasn't as lucky in terms of franchise. Had to do more with less. Also very self conscious about his hair loss which probably gave him a lot of awkward feelings. In terms of NBA careers I would have to say he had it the toughest, because he was drafted into a not so great franchise, with an insane amount of pressure of having to stay no matter what. It's like having a cannon ball chained to your leg, that pressure that he had of staying, no matter what. You can't do what's right for you, because you must consider the people who wouldn't give a damn about him if he was just some random 5'8" guy walking down the street.

Mentally I would say that Jordan has it the roughest, despite his success. Always with a chip on his shoulder. It must absolutely destroy him that he can't physically compete anymore. It must absolutely kill him that people compare Lebron and Kobe to him, and he can't go out and show everybody that they shouldn't.

[Akrazotile]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):

4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.



Range Rovers are illegal?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

Jordan is comfortably the worst of the bunch. Greatest basketball player absolutely, but he's a terrible, terrible human being. He's narcissistic, petulant, supercilious, incorrigible, (to name a few) and a degenerate gambler who is responsible for his father's murder. Of the all-time greats he is easily the worst person.

[Ca$H]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):


4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.

2) Kobe - great genes, privileged upbringing, but had to learn Italian to fit in - upon returning to the US, he obsessed about the game so he could forget that he doesn't really fit in and is a different kind of kat.. Unfairly rode the bench early on and had to prove himself in the NBA.

1) Jordan - had to overcome poor training, nutrition, and racism in the 70's South.. Also had to react WELL (work harder) after getting cut as sophomore... Was NEVER coddled - got discovered in the blazing summer heat at 5-star camp as a junior... His first Nike contract was 500k total for 5 years.

So basically you are most threatened by Curry. That's understandable. 73 wins, MVP, Title, and FMVP.

[3ball]

In terms of NBA careers I would have to say Lebron had it the toughest, because he was drafted into a bad franchise


Jordan was ALSO drafted by an 18-win, nothing franchise with no history of success.

So your point about Lebron going to a bad team is completely moot and not a valid point.





with an insane amount of pressure to stay no matter what.


Once again - Jordan had this too... This is the SECOND argument you've made that also applies to Jordan:

You said that Lebron was drafted by a bad team (so was Jordan) and now you're saying Lebron had pressure to stay (so did Jordan).

The fact that you would argue these things for Lebron without seeing that Jordan obviously had these same issues is a clear demonstration of your bias for Lebron.





Lebron had to do more with less.


Again, Jordan was ALSO drafted by an 18-win franchise, except his team didn't have any all-stars.

Otoh, Lebron was drafted to the Cavs, who had an all-star center - that's a top 2 center in the conference - Jordan didn't have any all-star teammates until his 6th season (1990).

So let's see who did more with less - Jordan never missed the playoffs despite having no all-stars, and went 6/6 when he got just 1 all-star... Otoh, Lebron missed the playoffs twice despite having an all star teammate, and only went 2/4 with two all-star teammates in Miami.





Lebron had to do more with less.


In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8/54.

So that was a LOTTERY roster without Jordan - yet Jordan took that lottery roster to ECF and 6 games with the champion Bad Boys.

This is superior to what Lebron did with the Cavs in 2009 and 2010, where he lost as the favorite both years to NON-champions.





Lebron had to do more with less.


We have clear proof that Jordan's 1989 Bulls were more of a 1-man team than Lebron's 2009 and 2010 Cavs:

Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games in 2009, while MJ's supporting cast only added enough help to his 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games in 1989.. There's only 2 possible reasons that Lebron's inferior stats resulted in 19 more wins: he had a better supporting cast or he played inferior competition.

If you think that all 19 wins was due to worse competition (and not better supporting cast), then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing vastly inferior competition..

Of course, the other alternative is that Lebron's supporting cast was better, in addition to the aforementioned weaker comp.. This is more logical.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which was a stark contrast from Jordan's young, lower-producing cast.. Therefore, the gap in RS records was due to a combination of BOTH competition level and supporting cast.





Lebron had to do more with less.


Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


NO COMPARISON..

[knicksman]

So curry, the least athletic, had it the easiest. Lol theres a reason why we love curry. Coz he never had the advantages of the other 3. What he had is the attitude.

[Dray n Klay]

So curry, the least athletic, had it the easiest. Lol theres a reason why we love curry. Coz he never had the advantages of the other 3. What he had is the attitude.

Curry grew up to an NBA family, no money problems. He also won a championship as a role player hence 0/11


real alphas win as the man, curry has been carried his entire life.

[knicksman]

Curry grew up to an NBA family, no money problems. He also won a championship as a role player hence 0/11


real alphas win as the man, curry has been carried his entire life.


:sleeping 2/6

[Dray n Klay]

:sleeping 2/6

I didn't expect you to understand, its okay.

[knicksman]

I didn't expect you to understand, its okay.

2/6 talking about iq:lol

[ILLsmak]

:roll:

He has the perfect life there has to be something wrong with him. Maybe one day it will come out. :oldlol:

We all have issues, but it just depends on how vile it is. Think of Larry Bird tho... what was Larry Bird's issue other than working way too hard and talking a lot of shit? What was Wilts (besides being a narcy dude who was possibly in the closet)...

We all have sides that, if they got blown up in the media, it would make people think differently, but it's like "Curry likes midget porn" is much different than the things that were listed. Curry doesn't seem like he's cut of the same personality disorder cloth as Bron (borderline) and MJ (antisocial.) Kobe I don't think is a bad person except he got tricked by a girl and he is a low IQ baller.

If that rape shit never happens, Kobe is a golden boy. And props to him for pulling it together cuz we saw what happened when Tiger got exposed, dude shit the bed. Dudes like MJ and Kobe can at least play thru their demons. I'm sure eventually Curry will get slain by something. The media just loves to build shit up and break it down.

-Smak

[jstern]

Jordan was ALSO drafted by an 18-win, nothing franchise with no history of success.

So your point about Lebron going to a bad team is completely moot and not a valid point.



Once again - Jordan had this too... This is the SECOND argument you've made that also applies to Jordan:

You said that Lebron was drafted by a bad team (so was Jordan) and now you're saying Lebron had pressure to stay (so did Jordan).

The fact that you would argue these things for Lebron without seeing that Jordan obviously had these same issues is a clear demonstration of your bias for Lebron.



Again, Jordan was ALSO drafted by an 18-win franchise, except his team didn't have any all-stars.

Otoh, Lebron was drafted to the Cavs, who had an all-star center - that's a top 2 center in the conference - Jordan didn't have any all-star teammates until his 6th season (1990).

So let's see who did more with less - Jordan never missed the playoffs despite having no all-stars, and went 6/6 when he got just 1 all-star... Otoh, Lebron missed the playoffs twice despite having an all star teammate, and only went 2/4 with two all-star teammates in Miami.



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8/54.

So that was a LOTTERY roster without Jordan - yet Jordan took that lottery roster to ECF and 6 games with the champion Bad Boys.

This is superior to what Lebron did with the Cavs in 2009 and 2010, where he lost as the favorite both years to NON-champions.



We have clear proof that Jordan's 1989 Bulls were more of a 1-man team than Lebron's 2009 and 2010 Cavs:

Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games in 2009, while MJ's supporting cast only added enough help to his 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games in 1989.. There's only 2 possible reasons that Lebron's inferior stats resulted in 19 more wins: he had a better supporting cast or he played inferior competition.

If you think that all 19 wins was due to worse competition (and not better supporting cast), then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing vastly inferior competition..

Of course, the other alternative is that Lebron's supporting cast was better, in addition to the aforementioned weaker comp.. This is more logical.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which was a stark contrast from Jordan's young, lower-producing cast.. Therefore, the gap in RS records was due to a combination of BOTH competition level and supporting cast.



Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


NO COMPARISON..

I took personality into account, and looked at it as who had it worst as an individual person and their ability to handle things, rather than circumstances. I paid the biggest compliment to Jordan, saying that even if he had the worst position, his personality will eventually lead him to succeed and to be the GOAT. But that despite Jordan having the best chances of succeeding even with the worst situation, he might have it the hardest because that drive of his could potentially cause him deep emotional pain. I also talked about the difficult situation Lebron is in that he's not free to do what's best for him. Cleveland is not as popular as a city as Chicago, LA, etc. Nobody want's to play for them, and he's somehow bonded to them.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

I took personality into account


You said Lebron did more with less - the following posts provide clear-cut proof that such a statement is ridiculous:





Lebron did more with less.


In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8/54.

So that was a LOTTERY roster without Jordan - yet Jordan took that lottery roster to ECF and 6 games with the champion Bad Boys.

This is superior to what Lebron did with the Cavs in 2009 and 2010, where he lost both years to NON-champions.





Lebron did more with less.


We have clear proof that Jordan's 1989 Bulls were more of a 1-man team than Lebron's 2009 and 2010 Cavs:

Lebron's supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7/49 to win 66 games in 2009, while MJ's supporting cast only added enough help to his 33/8/8/54 to win 47 games in 1989.. There's only 2 possible reasons that Lebron's inferior stats resulted in 19 more wins: he had a better supporting cast or he played inferior competition.

If you think that all 19 wins was due to worse competition (and not better supporting cast), then consider how much better that makes MJ's playoff stats look, since they came against far better competition... Lebron's 35/9/7/51/1.6 stl playoff averages in 2009 are invalidated compared to MJ's nearly identical 35/7/7/51/2.5 stl playoff averages in 1989, due to facing vastly inferior competition..

Of course, the other alternative is that Lebron's supporting cast was better, IN ADDITION to the aforementioned weaker comp.. This is more logical.. Lebron's supporting cast included an all-star and a slew of higher-producing veterans, which was a stark contrast from Jordan's young, lower-producing cast.. Therefore, the gap in RS records was due to a combination of BOTH competition level and supporting cast.





Lebron did more with less.


Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


NO COMPARISON





Lebron did more with less.


Jordan never missed the playoffs despite having no all-stars early in his career, and went 6/6 when he got just 1 all-star.

Otoh, Lebron missed the playoffs twice despite having an all star teammate, and only went 2/4 with two all-star teammates in Miami.





Lebron is in that he's not free to do what's best for him.


What the **** are you talking about - are you trolling?

Lebron LEFT Cleveland... Jordan never left... Lebron LEFT Miami... Jordan never left.

So Lebron did whatever he wanted, while Jordan was loyal to his team.

Seriously, what the **** are you talking about when you say "Lebron didn't get to do what was best for him."... He did EXACTLY whatever he wanted.





Cleveland is not as popular as a city as Chicago, LA, etc.


You're clueless - it's common knowledge that Chicago was one of the worst franchises in the league before Jordan got there - no one wanted to play there anymore than guys wanted to play for the Clippers 10 years ago or the Sixers now..

[bdreason]

LeBron has always seemed like a really cool guy off-the-court. Hard to tell what people are really like though.

[Heilige]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):


4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.

2) Kobe - great genes, privileged upbringing, but had to learn Italian to fit in - upon returning to the US, he obsessed about the game so he could forget that he doesn't really fit in and is a different kind of kat.. Unfairly rode the bench early on and had to prove himself in the NBA.

1) Jordan - had to overcome poor training, nutrition, and racism in the 70's South.. Also had to react WELL (work harder) after getting cut as sophomore... Was NEVER coddled - got discovered in the blazing summer heat at 5-star camp as a junior... His first Nike contract was 500k total for 5 years.


In terms of work ethic and ambition how would you rank those 4 players?

[AirBonner]

LeBron is friendly in person and does great charity work. I'd have to go with LeBron.

[keep-itreal]

6/6

[3ball]

In terms of work ethic and ambition how would you rank those 4 players?
work ethic: Kobe, Curry, Jordan, Lebron

ambition: Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Curry

[aquaadverse]

Lol. You guys that play the "never left their team" argument never talk about the rules in place about player movement or the rather, relatively paltry amounts players were making during that time. They weren't set for life after their rookie contracts. NBA had a rule in place that allowed NBA teams paying any amount to keep players in small market teams to keep franchise players so they didn't bolt to larger markets with better endorsement deals. These guys were making peanuts compared to todays players.

This whole colluded argument ignores that previous generations never had that option. It is a simplistic opinion that ignores history. The owners traded off this stuff for limited rookie salary and limiting what a max player can make under the last CBA.

Carry on.

[masonanddixon]

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Can we all agree that Curry had a silver spoon in his mouth since he came out the womb?

Seriously, who had it the toughest OVERALL - I'll rank each guy from easiest road (4) to toughest road (1):


4) Curry - great genes, privileged upbringing, the very best basketball training, the best of everything his entire life

3) Lebron - from the hood... But he was the uber-protected, hometown hero - due to modern scouting, he was coddled from when he was in junior high.. He was so coddled and spoiled that he drove an illegal Range Rover in HS and signed a 100 million Nike contract before he played a single NBA game.. Then he arranged to play with arguably the best 2-guard and PF in the league.

2) Kobe - great genes, privileged upbringing, but had to learn Italian to fit in - upon returning to the US, he obsessed about the game so he could forget that he doesn't really fit in and is a different kind of kat.. Unfairly rode the bench early on and had to prove himself in the NBA.

1) Jordan - had to overcome poor training, nutrition, and racism in the 70's South.. Also had to react WELL (work harder) after getting cut as sophomore... Was NEVER coddled - got discovered in the blazing summer heat at 5-star camp as a junior... His first Nike contract was 500k total for 5 years.

Jordan grew up in an upper middle class home, never faced racism.

Try again.

[3ball]

This whole colluded argument ignores that previous generations never had that option.

Carry on.
Exactly, so they had it harder than today's player... Period.. That's the end of the argument.

So stop being biased and accept the facts - today's player has it easier by being able to team-hop

And DON'T carry on - quit being biased.

[aquaadverse]

Exactly, so they had it harder than today's player... Period.. That's the end of the argument.

So stop being biased and accept the facts - today's player has it easier by being able to team-hop

And DON'T carry on - quit being biased.

Yeah, You really are an asshole. Don't carry on. Jordan would have hopped teams in a minute given the same freedoms.

[3ball]

Yeah, You really are an asshole. Don't carry on.

Jordan would've hopped teams in a minute given the same freedoms.


But he didn't have that freedom, and therefore had it HARDER, making his already-superior accomplishments that much more impressive.

Actually, go ahead and carry on, because I'm killing you

[aquaadverse]

But he didn't have that freedom, and therefore had it HARDER, making his already-superior accomplishments that much more impressive.

Actually, go ahead and carry on, because I'm killing you
You really are an idiot. You're arguing that because MJ didn't have the same options he couldn't exercise the same options.

Keep slurping his testicles. MJ would have left the Bulls if he had the same options. On the one hand you keep saying he stayed because he was loyal. On the other hand, he didn't have the option.
Which is it ?

[knicksman]

work ethic: Kobe, Curry, Jordan, Lebron

ambition: Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Curry

Curry wouldnt have that work ethic if he has no ambition. And this guy is on pace of beating jordans, not just individual season, but team too. Then add in the fact that hes much younger when they first won their rings

[SpaceJam]

I hope you die this year. I am not even kidding. Lots of innocent people are dying, but @$$hole like you are still breathing.

Life is not fair.

He's trolling on a internet board :oldlol:

He isn't out stabbing babies and kicking puppies god damn

So unwarranted

[COnDEMnED]

Jordan is comfortably the worst of the bunch. Greatest basketball player absolutely, but he's a terrible, terrible human being. He's narcissistic, petulant, supercilious, incorrigible, (to name a few) and a degenerate gambler who is responsible for his father's murder. Of the all-time greats he is easily the worst person.
I came here to say this. Jordan is the worst by far. Not to mention he treats his fans horribly. Kobe is probably second worst for all the same things you listed ( minus the gambling and dad-murder), but add on adultery (notice I didn't say rape).

Between Curry and Lebron, there's nothing non-basketball related that has ever made me think they are terrible people. However, on-court issues have confirmed to me that Lebron is incredibly unlikeable, from his antics, mannerisms, to how he approaches the game. I don't care for it. I don't like Chris Paul for the same reason he flops (so does Lebron). I don't like Dwight Howard for the same reason he acts like a goofy ****ing kid who seems to think being friends is more important that winning (in Lebrons case, he's a goofy kid who teams up with friends). This is a competitive sport, where the **** are all the players who want nothing more than to decimate opposing players? This shake hands before and after games, go on vacations together, get invited to opposing players weddings, is one of the noticeable downfalls to modern NBA. The league has no more killers. The league has become puzzified.

As far as just being professionally good dudes, I have much admiration for Tim Duncan and Shane Battier.

[knicksman]

Lol. You guys that play the "never left their team" argument never talk about the rules in place about player movement or the rather, relatively paltry amounts players were making during that time. They weren't set for life after their rookie contracts. NBA had a rule in place that allowed NBA teams paying any amount to keep players in small market teams to keep franchise players so they didn't bolt to larger markets with better endorsement deals. These guys were making peanuts compared to todays players.

This whole colluded argument ignores that previous generations never had that option. It is a simplistic opinion that ignores history. The owners traded off this stuff for limited rookie salary and limiting what a max player can make under the last CBA.

Carry on.

Bro, owners want max team cap with no max on players contract so players cant easily collude. But owners are soft. They gave in to the players union. So they are just hoping that no one will collude with the current cba until a fakkit named lebron james came in to the league.

[3ball]

Curry wouldnt have that work ethic if he has no ambition.


He would work hard just because shooting 3-pointers and dribbling the way he does is FUN

It's fun dribbling like Curry, but it takes some serious practice.





Curry wouldnt have that work ethic if he has no ambition. And this guy is on pace of beating jordans, not just individual season, but team too. Then add in the fact that hes much younger when they first won their rings
Curry's ambition was never to be GOAT, and he knows he never will be

Otoh, Jordan and Kobe's ambition WAS to be the goat... Their ambition >>>>

And btw, I'm defining work ethic to mean SPECIFICALLY hours in the gym doing INDIVIDUAL TRAINING - I believe Curry did a lot more of this than Jordan.

But this is actually a very narrow definition of work ethic - when it comes to sheer competitiveness and trying/working hard IN GAMES OR PRACTICES - than it's Jordan all the way.. No one was more competitive than him, and no one would work harder in a game to win.

[knicksman]

He would work hard just because shooting 3-pointers and dribbling the way he does is FUN

It's fun dribbling like Curry, but it takes some serious practice.



Curry's ambition was never to be GOAT, and he knows he never will be

Otoh, Jordan and Kobe's ambition WAS to be the goat... Their ambition >>>>

And btw, I'm defining work ethic to mean SPECIFICALLY hours in the gym doing INDIVIDUAL TRAINING - I believe Curry did a lot more of this than Jordan.

But this is actually a very narrow definition of work ethic - when it comes to sheer competitiveness and trying/working hard IN GAMES OR PRACTICES - than it's Jordan all the way.. No one was more competitive than him, and no one would work harder in a game to win.

If curry wins 7 rings, Hes automatically goat. And he said, "one at a time", When asked if he wants to be goat. The guy is definitely aiming for that. Theres no way you'd be this good if you arent aiming for that. Actions speak louder than words.

[Dray n Klay]

If curry wins 7 rings, Hes automatically goat. And he said, "one at a time", When asked if he wants to be goat. The guy is definitely aiming for that. Theres no way you'd be this good if you arent aiming for that. Actions speak louder than words.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Let curry get a fmvp vote before the GOAT talks

[knicksman]

im suicidal coz nobody cares. I really need your attention man.

Just pm me man

[aquaadverse]

Bro, owners want max team cap with no max on players contract so players cant easily collude. But owners are soft. They gave in to the players union. So they are just hoping that no one will collude with the current cba until a fakkit named lebron james came in to the league.

Dude exercised the rules to put himself to put him the best position to succeed. I rather doubt you wouldn't do the same in an equal position. Not saying I like it, but I understand why they would. They have a short career, need to earn money for their families.

Owners traded off to save themselves from themselves. I don't blame the players.

[knicksman]

Dude exercised the rules to put himself to put him the best position to succeed. I rather doubt you wouldn't do the same in an equal position. Not saying I like it, but I understand why they would. They have a short career, need to earn money for their families.

Owners traded off to save themselves from themselves. I don't blame the players.

The owners agreed with a mutual understanding that they wont exploit the rules until bran betrayed them. Theres a reason why no one colluded in their primes except for bran. Because they are man enough to honor the agreement

[3ball]

And he said, "one at a time", When asked if he wants to be goat.


Curry AVOIDED the question by saying "one at a time" - that's a politician dodge, not a man that believes he can be goat.

And it's ridiculous to think he could be - this is Curry's first season being the NBA's best offensive player - he has 9 more seasons (in a row) to match the GOAT... That won't happen - even Durant has fallen off since his 2014 peak - Curry will too... Only the real GOAT can sustain it for 10 years

Curry will slow down - he won't be scoring champ, 1st team all-defense, MVP, all-star game MVP, and Finals MVP at 35 years old like Jordan was.. You seem to think this is EASY or something - no, it's a near-impossible feat that Curry has ZERO chance of matching... :confusedshrug:





Theres no way you'd be this good


But Curry isn't anywhere near GOAT-level this year - the defensive end precludes Curry from ever being GOAT.

His defensive capability and work ethic is shit compared to Jordan - Jordan busted his ASS on defense... Whereas Curry plays that matador D
.

[knicksman]

Curry AVOIDED the question by saying "one at a time" - that's a politician dodge, not a man that believes he can be goat.

And it's ridiculous to think he could be - this is Curry's first season being the NBA's best offensive player - he has 9 more seasons (in a row) to match the GOAT... That won't happen - even Durant has fallen off since his 2014 peak - Curry will too... Only the real GOAT can sustain it for 10 years

Curry will slow down - he won't be scoring champ, 1st team all-defense, MVP, all-star game MVP, and Finals MVP at 35 years old like Jordan was.. You seem to think this is EASY or something - no, it's a near-impossible feat that Curry has ZERO chance of matching... :confusedshrug:



But Curry isn't anywhere near GOAT, even this year - the defensive end precludes Curry from ever being GOAT, or anywhere near.. :confusedshrug:

His defensive capability and work ethic is shit compared to Jordan - Jordan busted his ASS on defense... Whereas Curry plays that matador D

What matters is rings. even if he just matches jordans rings, hes automatically goat coz he didnt have goat atleticism.

And offense is much much harder than defense. So if curry beats him at the hardest part, no need to be insecure and prove that he too is better at the easier part. Besides, leadership>>>everything else. Thats why curry is a winner from the get go whil jordan needs phil to get out of the first round

[Dray n Klay]

What matters is rings. even if he just matches jordans rings, hes automatically goat coz he didnt have goat atleticism.

And offense is much much harder than defense. So if curry beats him at the hardest part, no need to be insecure and prove that he too is better at the easier part. Besides, leadership>>>everything else. Thats why curry is a winner from the get go whil jordan needs phil to get out of the first round


curry is like a liberal arts major. Settling for easier degrees so he would have better GPA(stats). But in the end its the engineers, despite their lower GPAs, that succeed with life. Same with curry who settles for open 3's pts/layups instead of contested fadeaways for efficiency. Who secure his stats in the 1st quarters/garbage time instead of 4th quarters/clutch so he could have better looking stats. But in the end its the lebrons, who are tough on themselves, that wins in the end.

[knicksman]

excuse me for attention whoring man coz im so lonely. Im contemplating suicide. Hope you understand


Its ok man. Ill pray for you.

[Labissiere]

Agree with the thread title.

[beastee]

Curry is the face of the NBA for this very reason, he appears to be a good guy.

Lebron has shot himself in the foot(well bad footwork on his own), and that has made Curry the superstar he is just as much as anything else.

Time will tell if he is a scumbag as well....his career is only 1/3 through.

[Stringer Bell]

By most accounts of what we know about them, yes.

Karl Malone is a bigger scumbag then Kobe, Jordan, and Lebron.