UK Muslim wishes Christians a peaceful Easter. Result. Stabbed 30 times

[Back In Shape]

By a fellow Muslim who sat on his chest laughing at him as he gasped his last breaths.

The Pope washes the feet of Muslims. That's ok. But if a Muslim wishes a Christian a Happy Easter, that's a death sentence in many parts of the Islamic world. :coleman:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3509367/Muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-death-hours-posted-happy-Easter-message.html

[iamgine]

Hopefully this can pose as a lesson to people who assume all Muslims are the same. Two very different types, both exist in the world - most like Mr Shah.

[Dresta]

Hopefully this can pose as a lesson to people who assume all Muslims are the same. Two very different types, both exist in the world - most like Mr Shah.
Except he was a type of muslim that suffers persecution all over the muslim world.

[LJJ]

Except he was a type of muslim that suffers persecution all over the muslim world.

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad.

The goal of Ahmadi Muslims:

[QUOTE] Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ

Stop putting silly labels on things.

See the principle behind it.

Some people see the light, and practice the light, and forward the light. Then they get persecuted and slaughtered.

Rinse and repeat.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad.

The goal of Ahmadi Muslims:



The result of trying to do this:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya

Holy shit Pakistan is such a disgusting shithole of a country.


Well..... seems you are right about those "two very different types of Muslims" imagine. You were just wrong about the "most are like Shah".

Uhhh.. that's exactly what happened in Pagan Makkah.


Usually the truth is first fought as ridiculous, then it plants a seed and eventually gains leverage. You of all people should know this, Rick.




Actually, because you've missed, on the ballpark, of say---- 30,000 or so prayers despite a) having received the Message of Tawhid b) come into contact and have some understanding of Islam OVER and OVER again, and STLL have chosen your own self and flawed intellect to be your guide, rather than the Creator, your distanced soul/spiritual heart is the part that's very much a disgusting sh!thole. It has potential to be filled with the light of faith and draw nearer to its Perfect Source, if only you'd consistently pray, good Richard of Netherlands.

It is through this natural prescribed path of prayer, charity, and growth in faith that man comes to better himself, know himself, and eventually know Allah. So from this it's simple to deduce that you, having witnessed evil, disbelief, and injustice prevail over the one eternal Truth , whereas the only experiences an actual Pakistani family often witnesses were of a series of largely progressive, positive events. Such as just recently witnessing an Ahmadiyya community reestablishing True Islam in the U.S.A.

And Allah has power over all things, including ones senses.

You're lagging behind very badly and have been deliberately surpressing the light of Faith for so, so long.

You're an intelligent man Rick. You've taken modern society or reason or various other taghut without doing what you were born to do; worship and serve Allah Almighty. Do not make this mistake again.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Hopefully this can pose as a lesson to people who assume all Muslims are the same. Two very different types, both exist in the world - most like Mr Shah.

This is the main problem with how kids learn in the West. Way too concretized and compartmentalized. Life should be taken in as a whole, and Craig Vector just recently mentioned how unknown genes, if tampered with, screw up known genes. Intellectually, strides are being made to perceive the human genome holistically for a better grasp at biology.

You use categories, types, labels, when they are merely fragments of One because of the largely dominant left hemisphere in your brain.

Likewise, everything works in a continuous spectrum and is engrained with a dual nature.

A Muslim is a slave of Allah.
Allah creates, preserves, destroys maintains, and is the original Source and power over all things.
A Muslim is commanded by the Qu'ran to pray, give charity, increase in knowledge, and do good on the Earth.
Each individual soul in the Muslim world's objective is to come nearer to Allah. (B) The ones who wander off in the established path and create their own hells by serving their selfish needs often have unclean hearts that accumulate stains and hatred. We'll call these B.
Their relationship to Truth and Faith is adverse, and because of their hardened hearts/disobedience to Allah (surpressed conscience and lower consciousness) will attempt to strike or attack a higher spiritually cultivated telling them the way it is.

Here's the kicker. Material death is not really death. The entire human consciousness's purpose is to grow, grow, grow, grow, refine, refine spiritually.

Now we'll call the spiritually cultivated one person A. Since they have already passed the tests from Allah, the tests get tougher and tougher for higher and higher spiritual refinement. They'll come into contact with many, many B's resorting to violence, threats etc... If one can keep their peace and grace with even tougher opposition, then they'll garner more rewards in the afterlife.

A and B NEED EACH OTHER like Batman and Joker. B elevates A. A can elevate B if B would just listen. B often has a flaw that A has as well.

A pattern just like nature's symbiosis. Not a single meeting of a soul is done by chance, PROVIDED that everyone is Asking Allah to Walk the Straight Path; which is prescribed by multiple recitations of Fatihah in deep meditative prayer.

Understand the Creator's system? Now you can quickly discard stupid (but not entirely untrue) Satanic addendums like "No good deed goes unpunished" and "Road to hell is paved with good intentions" and other things concocted in the demystification by the destructive agents of the West.

[bluechox2]

Hopefully this can pose as a lesson to people who assume all Muslims are the same. Two very different types, both exist in the world - most like Mr Shah.
well, are there any good muslims left when they getting taken out left and right

[Akrazotile]

the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim "as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad"



:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


Hey, why don't we bring a whole bunch of people from this culture over to our country?? That way maybe one day we can put things in the Constitution about worshipping Muhammed!

Tolerance and diversity #For.The.Win.



(Somewhere Lamar Doom is nodding his head and agreeing because he sees the words tolerance and diversity and figures it can't be anything but good!)

[Trollsmasher]

Pakistan official: 44 killed, 91 wounded in bomb blast at park where Christians were celebrating Easter

https://twitter.com/AP/status/714146767479119874

[Nick Young]

This is the main problem with how kids learn in the West. Way too concretized and compartmentalized. Life should be taken in as a whole, and Craig Vector just recently mentioned how unknown genes, if tampered with, screw up known genes. Intellectually, strides are being made to perceive the human genome holistically for a better grasp at biology.

You use categories, types, labels, when they are merely fragments of One because of the largely dominant left hemisphere in your brain.

Likewise, everything works in a continuous spectrum and is engrained with a dual nature.

A Muslim is a slave of Allah.
Allah creates, preserves, destroys maintains, and is the original Source and power over all things.
A Muslim is commanded by the Qu'ran to pray, give charity, increase in knowledge, and do good on the Earth.
Each individual soul in the Muslim world's objective is to come nearer to Allah. (B) The ones who wander off in the established path and create their own hells by serving their selfish needs often have unclean hearts that accumulate stains and hatred. We'll call these B.
Their relationship to Truth and Faith is adverse, and because of their hardened hearts/disobedience to Allah (surpressed conscience and lower consciousness) will attempt to strike or attack a higher spiritually cultivated telling them the way it is.

Here's the kicker. Material death is not really death. The entire human consciousness's purpose is to grow, grow, grow, grow, refine, refine spiritually.

Now we'll call the spiritually cultivated one person A. Since they have already passed the tests from Allah, the tests get tougher and tougher for higher and higher spiritual refinement. They'll come into contact with many, many B's resorting to violence, threats etc... If one can keep their peace and grace with even tougher opposition, then they'll garner more rewards in the afterlife.

A and B NEED EACH OTHER like Batman and Joker. B elevates A. A can elevate B if B would just listen. B often has a flaw that A has as well.

A pattern just like nature's symbiosis. Not a single meeting of a soul is done by chance, PROVIDED that everyone is Asking Allah to Walk the Straight Path; which is prescribed by multiple recitations of Fatihah in deep meditative prayer.

Understand the Creator's system? Now you can quickly discard stupid (but not entirely untrue) Satanic addendums like "No good deed goes unpunished" and "Road to hell is paved with good intentions" and other things concocted in the demystification by the destructive agents of the West.
Islam is a toxic death cult.
I am completely fed up with the terror and murder this bullshit "religion" has forced upon the entire world.

Enough is enough.

This man stabbed. 69 women and children blown up on Easter Sunday in Pakistan.


It's time to stop putting up with this death cult ideology. It is obvious by now that Islam is not good or beneficial for society. Every country it has touched has gone to shit.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

These are the rules Nick.
100 direct instructions by Allah in the Holy Quran for mankind:
1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
3. Be good to others (4:36)
4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
7. Lower your voice (31:19)
8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
9. Be dutiful to parents(17:23)
10. Do not say a word of disrespect to parents (17:23)
11. Do not enter parents

[imdaman99]

57. Do not kill each other (4:92)
Taking lives is a serious thing. These terrorists seem to think this is Jihad, meanwhile they are blowing up 'fellow Muslims' at soccer matches too, so even if they think they are at war with 'infidels', they are clueless and wrong. Innocents during non wartime? Disgraceful.

Brother, you are too good a person to show any attention to that guy.

But you are one special guy, very knowledgeable and a man that spreads nothing but love. Respects :cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

LOL @ #57 :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

These are the rules Nick.
100 direct instructions by Allah in the Holy Quran for mankind:
1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
3. Be good to others (4:36)
4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
7. Lower your voice (31:19)
8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
9. Be dutiful to parents(17:23)
10. Do not say a word of disrespect to parents (17:23)
11. Do not enter parents’ private room without asking permission (24:58)
12. Write down the debt (2:282)
13. Do not follow anyone blindly (2:170)
14. Grant more time to repay if the debtor is in hard time (2:280)
15. Don’t consume interest (2:275)
16. Do not engage in bribery (2:188)
17. Do not break the promise (2:177)
18. Keep the trust (2:283)
19. Do not mix the truth with falsehood (2:42)
20. Judge with justice between people (4:58)
21. Stand out firmly for justice (4:135)
22. Wealth of the dead should be distributed among his family members (4:7)
23. Women also have the right for inheritance (4:7)
24. Do not devour the property of orphans (4:10)
25. Protect orphans (2:220)
26. Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (4:29)
27. Try for settlement between people (49:9)
28. Avoid suspicion (49:12)
29. Do not spy and backbite (2:283)
30. Do not spy or backbite (49:12)
31. Spend wealth in charity (57:7)
32. Encourage feeding poor (107:3)
33. Help those in need
by finding them (2:273)
34. Do not spend money extravagantly (17:29)
35. Do not invalidate charity with reminders (2:264)
36. Honor guests (51:26)
37. Order righteousness to people only after practicing it yourself(2:44)
38. Do not commit abuse on the earth (2:60)
39. Do not prevent people from mosques (2:114)
40. Fight only with those who fight you (2:190)
41. Keep the etiquettes of war (2:191)
42. Do not turn back in battle (8:15)
43. No compulsion in religion (2:256)
44. Believe in all prophets (2:285)
45. Do not have sexual intercourse during menstrual period (2:222)
46. Breast feed your children for two complete years (2:233)
47. Do not even approach unlawful sexual intercourse (17:32)
48. Choose rulers by their merit (2:247)
49. Do not burden a person beyond his scope (2:286)
50. Do not become divided (3:103)
51. Think deeply about the wonders and creation of this universe (3:191)
52. Men and Women have equal rewards for their deeds (3:195)
53. Do not marry those in your blood relation (4:23)
54. Family should be led by men (4:34)
55. Do not be miserly (4:37)
56. Do not keep envy (4:54)
57. Do not kill each other (4:92)
58. Do not be an advocate for deceit (4:105)
59. Do not cooperate in sin and aggression (5:2)
60. Cooperate in righteousness (5:2)
61. ’Having majority’ is not a criterion of truth (6:116)
62. Be just (5:8)
63. Punish for crimes in an exemplary way (5:38)
64. Strive against sinful and unlawful acts (5:63)
65. Dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine are prohibited (5:3)
66. Avoid intoxicants and alcohol (5:90)
67. Do not gamble (5:90)
68. Do not insult others’ deities (6:108)
69. Don’t reduce weight or measure to cheat people (6:152)
70. Eat and Drink, But Be Not Excessive (7:31)
71. Wear good cloths during prayer times (7:31)
72. protect and help those who seek protection (9:6)
73. Keep Purity (9:108)
74. Never give up hope of Allah’s Mercy (12:87)
75. Allah will forgive those who have done wrong out of ignorance (16:119)
76. Invitation to God should be with wisdom and good instruction (16:125)
77. No one will bear others’ sins (17:15)
78. Do not kill your children for fear of poverty (17:31)
79. Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge (17:36)
80. Keep aloof from what is vain (23:3)
81. Do not enter others’ houses without seeking permission (24:27)
82. Allah will provide security for those who believe only in Allah (24:55)
83. Walk on earth in humility (25:63)
84. Do not neglect your portion of this world (28:77)
85. Invoke not any other god along with Allah (28:88)
86. Do not engage in homosexuality (29:29)
87. Enjoin right, forbid wrong (31:17)
88. Do not walk in insolence through the earth (31:18)
89. Women should not display their finery (33:33)
90. Allah forgives all sins (39:53)
91. Do not despair of the mercy of Allah (39:53)
92. Repel evil by good (41:34)
93. Decide on affairs by consultation (42:38)
94. Most noble of you is the most righteous (49:13)
95. No Monasticism in religion (57:27)
96. Those who have knowledge will be given a higher degree by Allah (58:11)
97. Treat non-Muslims in a kind and fair manner (60:8)
98. Save yourself from covetousness (64:16)
99. Seek forgiveness of Allah. He is Forgiving a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRKaX0ORuI


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimu


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".


Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

[HitandRun Reggie]

LOL @ #57 :oldlol:

J$ knows this is a straight up lie. This is only applies to other "believers" or non-believers they have a covenant with. And even if a Muslim does kill another Muslim or non-Muslim they have a relationship with, if they pay off the slain persons family, they are good in the eyes of allah.

[gigantes]

"Enjoy the moments of your life, son. It ain't no how permanent."

- Pogo the Possum

[Akrazotile]

"Enjoy the moments of your life, son. It ain't no how permanent."

- Pogo the Possum



SHUT

[gigantes]

SHUT
you used to be able to put a full sentence together.

is this the donald-effect?

[Akrazotile]

you used to be able to put a full sentence together.

is this the donald-effect?


I love you.

[gigantes]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/23703723.jpg

[Akrazotile]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/23703723.jpg



:roll:

[poido123]

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]These are the rules Nick.
100 direct instructions by Allah in the Holy Quran for mankind:
1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
3. Be good to others (4:36)
4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
7. Lower your voice (31:19)
8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
9. Be dutiful to parents(17:23)
10. Do not say a word of disrespect to parents (17:23)
11. Do not enter parents

[LJJ]

What do you think can be done about the toxic and primitive culture within Islam?


Because clearly many muslims aren't getting the correct message from the Quran...or are they...

Well, the answer lies in the OP too.

The Muslim who was killed for preaching tolerance and respect for others is an Ahmadi Muslim, which is a reformed, tolerant and more peaceful interpretation of Islam. You need more of those, and when there are enough of them they will influence the religion as a whole.

It's too bad this particular reform didn't truly catch on and the Ahmadis became a small and heavily persecuted group, but in a religion new movements and interpretations spring up all the time. You need a movement like this to spring up and gain a lot of traction.

It's essentially what Wahhabism and Salafism have done, but in the opposite direction. Violent and intolerant interpretations of the religion that have gained popularity and a lot of traction, to the point where heavily influences mainstream Islam to be more violent and intolerant. To fix Islam you need similar movements which go in the opposite direction.

This dynamic very much took place in Christianity a few hundred years ago.

[poido123]

Well, the answer lies in the OP too.

The Muslim who was killed for preaching tolerance and respect for others is an Ahmadi Muslim, which is a reformed, tolerant and more peaceful interpretation of Islam. You need more of those, and when there are enough of them they will influence the religion as a whole.

It's too bad this particular reform didn't truly catch on and the Ahmadis became a small and heavily persecuted group, but in a religion new movements and interpretations spring up all the time. You need a movement like this to spring up and gain a lot of traction.

It's essentially what Wahhabism and Salafism have done, but in the opposite direction. Violent and intolerant interpretations of the religion that have gained popularity and a lot of traction, to the point where heavily influences mainstream Islam to be more violent and intolerant. To fix Islam you need similar movements which go in the opposite direction.

This dynamic very much took place in Christianity a few hundred years ago.



Of course.


I'm not sure how long that will take, but it seems like the violent subgroups of Islam hold power with an iron fist and trying to overthrow them is almost impossible at this point.


I'd imagine it would be extremely difficult to get a large enough group wanting the same change at the same time, while overturning the violent subgroups in Islam like Wahhabism and Salafism.


Seems pretty obvious to me that Salafism and Wahabbism thrives among the uneducated. There's also a cultural brainwashing occurring worldwide with an anti-west sentiment. Muslims honestly believe that America is the reason why many muslims live a life of struggle and violence.

[bluechox2]

number 99 contradicts all...99 is where all muslims go wrong... christians have that rule too, but when you combine muslims backwards primitive thinking where they justify everything behind that statement they give themselves the golden ticket to do whatever they wish as long as they confess in their own prayer to alah during any time in their life, they expect to think their are sinless thereafter with no consequence from alah...

why have those rules when they all can be negated by that last one, clean slate

muslim terrorists only see rule 1: alah forgives all...
and maybe rule 2: ****fest with 40 virgins

[Bosnian Sajo]

^
It's the wahhabis, bro.


Well, the answer lies in the OP too.

The Muslim who was killed for preaching tolerance and respect for others is an Ahmadi Muslim, which is a reformed, tolerant and more peaceful interpretation of Islam. You need more of those, and when there are enough of them they will influence the religion as a whole.

It's too bad this particular reform didn't truly catch on and the Ahmadis became a small and heavily persecuted group, but in a religion new movements and interpretations spring up all the time. You need a movement like this to spring up and gain a lot of traction.

It's essentially what Wahhabism and Salafism have done, but in the opposite direction. Violent and intolerant interpretations of the religion that have gained popularity and a lot of traction, to the point where heavily influences mainstream Islam to be more violent and intolerant. To fix Islam you need similar movements which go in the opposite direction.

This dynamic very much took place in Christianity a few hundred years ago.

Ahmadis believe the messiah was already here and died in 1908, while us Sunni muslims believe the messiah is Jesus pbuh and has yet to return.

:no:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Muslims honestly believe that America is the reason why many muslims live a life of struggle and violence.


Can you really blame them, though? Are we gonna act like America hasn't been meddling with shit for way too long down there? It's not like it was just 1 country and 1 war, it's been multiple. I'm American, it's not like I am against the States, but you can't deny shit that happened.

Just like the Serbs denying Karadzic ever did anything bad in Bosnia, those idiots claim he is their "hero" :facepalm

[gigantes]

Can you really blame them, though? Are we gonna act like America hasn't been meddling with shit for way too long down there? It's not like it was just 1 country and 1 war, it's been multiple. I'm American, it's not like I am against the States, but you can't deny shit that happened.
In fact, people who have the best claim to 'resentment against the USA' are the ones who work in sweat shops run for corporations that sell products, like Nike.

Agitators in the Middle East aren't even close to that level of grief.

Not to mention, anger is a pretty well-known psychological tool to gain quick energy. Do you actually think that 'your people' are the first ones to that goal...?

Me? I've had a hard life too, for many reasons, but -who- should I expect to take my religious ramblings seriously at this point?

Do you see my point here, @Bosnian Sajo?

[Nick Young]

Can you really blame them, though? Are we gonna act like America hasn't been meddling with shit for way too long down there? It's not like it was just 1 country and 1 war, it's been multiple. I'm American, it's not like I am against the States, but you can't deny shit that happened.

Just like the Serbs denying Karadzic ever did anything bad in Bosnia, those idiots claim he is their "hero" :facepalm
They were pulling this kind of shit for 1000+ years before America ever existed.

[NumberSix]

Can you really blame them, though? Are we gonna act like America hasn't been meddling with shit for way too long down there? It's not like it was just 1 country and 1 war, it's been multiple. I'm American, it's not like I am against the States, but you can't deny shit that happened.

Just like the Serbs denying Karadzic ever did anything bad in Bosnia, those idiots claim he is their "hero" :facepalm
How do you feel about the Turks?

[Nick Young]

How do you feel about the Turks?
America forced them to massacre the Armenians. The Turks really had no other choice.

[poido123]

Can you really blame them, though? Are we gonna act like America hasn't been meddling with shit for way too long down there? It's not like it was just 1 country and 1 war, it's been multiple. I'm American, it's not like I am against the States, but you can't deny shit that happened.

Just like the Serbs denying Karadzic ever did anything bad in Bosnia, those idiots claim he is their "hero" :facepalm



No I can't blame them and America has meddled in the middle east.

Does that mean we all have to suffer because of irresponsible governments? Do innocent people need to be blown up to justify the actions of politicians?


If there is in fact a global jihad against America and it's allies(likely is), don't we have a right to protect ourselves and place a temp ban on muslims from hurting the innocent?


I personally want America out of there. But then you leave a safe haven for ISIS to build it's army and resources and make it harder to contain them. I'd still probably pull everyone out, because ISIS is using this propaganda to fuel its campaign and they are everywhere now.


Some terrible presidents have made some poor decisions regarding the middle East. Trump even said to not go in there, yet there's this big muslim hate movement against him, because he wanted a temp ban in light of another terrorist attack and to sort out what is happening.


Here's what I'd do.

1. Pull all troops and forces out of the middle east.

2. Make a public apology to the region and explain the actions and why they felt they couldn't leave.

3. Ignore ISIS provocations.

4. Get tough on borders. Get tough on anyone who is found linked to terrorist organisations and bring in the death penalty for any involvement.

5. Vote Trump (LOL)

[greymatter]

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad.

The goal of Ahmadi Muslims:



The result of trying to do this:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya

Holy shit Pakistan is such a disgusting shithole of a country.



You're just now noticing?

You might try Googling Malala. She was huge news about 3 years ago and is a Nobel Peace Prize laureate.

Ona different note, men there still regularly douse women's faces with acid if they get rejected by them.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Nick I just wrote a huge message and it got deleted. Was done in an incredibly respectful tone and touched on Tawhid, Moses vs Pharoah, Goku vs Frieza, The Straight Way, the Children of Israel and the Prophet and all kinds of juicy things. Well, Allah is in power of all things. Anywho...

Three things.

1) Fast. Cleanse your body of alcohol and junk you've consumed. Try eating more vegetables.
2) Choose life and breathing over intellectual pursuits for some time. Unplug and do what you were going to do; with the spiritual enlightenment thing; man get out in nature.
3) Pray. At a synagogue, church, mosque, wherever. Just pray. Heal yourself first dude. Ask Allah to heal you.
4) Do what you're supposed to be doing. You've made some slips in architecture and comic book artist. That's perfectly fine. Forgive yourself. Just relaxxx and trust that it'll come.

Sorry for any offensive comments towards your way, DeSousa, you're alright.

You'll be okay. Peace Brother.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

well, are there any good muslims left when they getting taken out left and right

Good... based on what metric?

How do you define good bluechox2? Kantian duty ethics, Aristotle's virtue, what?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

number 99 contradicts all...99 is where all muslims go wrong... christians have that rule too, but when you combine muslims

backwards primitive thinking


Hold this thought. Remember this in a few years. After you pick up a Qu'ran.


where they justify everything behind that statement they give themselves the golden ticket to do whatever they wish as long

That's a lie. Muslims and Christians believe in a Day of Judgment where every single deed will be taken into account. Meaning any evil deed is wrong. Hell is infinitely more painful than nonexistence.
Most of the higher level spiritual types repent for things you couldn't even consider evil at your current state.

But, how about you bluechox2? Do you give yourself a free pass or fail to hold yourself accountable?

as they confess in their own prayer to alah during any time in their life, they expect to think their are sinless thereafter with no consequence from alah...

Spell it correctly. Allah. No. No devout Muslim thinks like that, they feel terrible regret for not having started doing good earlier. That's you deliberately putting your flawed take on things and giving yourself excuses not to start walking The Way now.


why have those rules when they all can be negated by that last one, clean slate

Again, that's ultimately Allah's Will. Moreover, people who are not ignorant WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR.




muslim terrorists only see rule 1: alah forgives all...

Do you know that? How do you know how the life of a person in Pakistan that grew up in the mountains with no education and later had a renegade imam teach them to destroy goes?



and maybe rule 2: ****fest with 40 virgins

Righttttttttttt.... That's why the Hadiths SPECIFICALLY state that if the Muslims goal is Jannah and the Houris; then they're missing the point. It should be of a pure loving devotion to come nearer to Allah (SWT). Christians speak of amorous rapture, Buddhists speak of nirvana, Hindus speak of ahimsa. It's the same concept. Being liberated from the world and returning to Him and only seeing Him and only realizing Him.

Maybe you should stop putting off excuses to charity and prayer and start doing it now.



Fixed.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Of course.


I'm not sure how long that will take, but it seems like the violent subgroups of Islam hold power with an iron fist and trying to overthrow them is almost impossible at this point.


I'd imagine it would be extremely difficult to get a large enough group wanting the same change at the same time, while overturning the violent subgroups in Islam like Wahhabism and Salafism.


Seems pretty obvious to me that Salafism and Wahabbism thrives among the uneducated. There's also a cultural brainwashing occurring worldwide with an anti-west sentiment. Muslims honestly believe that America is the reason why many muslims live a life of struggle and violence.


BINGO.

ON THE MONEY, TRENT.

The Truth is all evil comes from the self, and everything in life is a grace from God.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No I can't blame them and America has meddled in the middle east.

Does that mean we all have to suffer because of irresponsible governments? Do innocent people need to be blown up to justify the actions of politicians?


If there is in fact a global jihad against America and it's allies(likely is), don't we have a right to protect ourselves and place a temp ban on muslims from hurting the innocent?


I personally want America out of there. But then you leave a safe haven for ISIS to build it's army and resources and make it harder to contain them. I'd still probably pull everyone out, because ISIS is using this propaganda to fuel its campaign and they are everywhere now.


Some terrible presidents have made some poor decisions regarding the middle East. Trump even said to not go in there, yet there's this big muslim hate movement against him, because he wanted a temp ban in light of another terrorist attack and to sort out what is happening.


Here's what I'd do.

1. Pull all troops and forces out of the middle east.

2. Make a public apology to the region and explain the actions and why they felt they couldn't leave.

3. Ignore ISIS provocations.

4. Get tough on borders. Get tough on anyone who is found linked to terrorist organisations and bring in the death penalty for any involvement.

5. Vote Trump (LOL)

Well stated, but that's only to fix the externals.

You've got to find a Way to balance out the internals :)

[Funktion]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1057427

[poido123]

Well stated, but that's only to fix the externals.

You've got to find a Way to balance out the internals :)


Internally, you have to make the resident muslims feel a part of the community.

The biggest issue atm, is that many muslims come into a foreign country and become isolated and clumped into their own little niche. Then they feel it's an us vs them mentality, they become disconnected and angry due to lack of employment opportunity and not feeling welcome.

I'm not sure how you do that TBH. One side of the fence feels fear and disgust at the government for allowing muslims to have every demand adhered to. Mosques, halal, prayer times etc etc.


I think you will find a lot of the the reasons people feel anger towards the muslims is because of fear of terrorism and the government giving into every cultural demand, without first accepting the host culture.


If we could get muslims to become a PART OF the culture, instead of demanding their own culture, I think a lot of progress could be made.

I would be a lot more open to welcoming in Muslims, if I felt they were making a genuine effort to blend in and the government would stop listening to the wahabbist types who want special treatment.


Perhaps this isn't possible. wars involving a western countries and middle eastern countries will always draw division and distrust.

[Dresta]

Good... based on what metric?

How do you define good bluechox2? Kantian duty ethics, Aristotle's virtue, what?
lol, don't expect people on this site to have a coherent response to this. They'll rail against religion over and over again, using moralistic criteria, but when asked what the foundation for their own morality is, they'll look at you, blink, and say something arbitrary and meaningless like "efficacy" or "common sense."

For most, morality is just what people feel to be right and wrong, and is usually malleable to their own interests (and based on the value-judgements of their forefathers, i.e. Christianity). You can't have a consistent moral worldview without first taking a leap of faith, but it seems rather difficult to get people to admit this, so good they are at deluding themselves.