Has any supposed top 15 All Time Greats besides LeBron...

[warriorfan]

Left his original team in his prime to collude with 2 top 10 players in the league?

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[Dray n Klay]

2013 playoffs

LeBron 26 ppg










Wade 15 ppg

Bosh 12 ppg



Looks like only 1 top 10 player

[warriorfan]

2013 playoffs

LeBron 26 ppg










Wade 15 ppg

Bosh 12 ppg



Looks like only 1 top 10 player

Thanks for proving my point :applause:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Brutal

Savage

Domination

[warriorfan]

Lebron's playmaking is achieved by reducing the playmaking of his teammates - Lebron significantly lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):. 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'):. 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):. 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with..... Lebron (2015):.. 5.2, 25.0%

Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):.. 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'):.. 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:. 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:.. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:.. 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron:.. 4.1, 20.1%


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... So it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can predict/explain the playoff performance of Lebron's teams much better:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers (thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams)?.. The reason is twofold (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60).
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[Segatti]

Has any supposed superstar besides Curry lost a FMVP award to a bench player?

[warriorfan]

Has any supposed superstar besides Curry lost a FMVP award to a bench player?

Enjoy the ban

[Dray n Klay]

Has any supposed superstar besides Curry lost a FMVP award to a bench player?

:lebronamazed:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Has any supposed superstar besides Curry lost a FMVP award to a bench player?

Lebron in 2015

[stalkerforlife]

He's done it twice, dude.

And it's unprecedented.

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe is a 23rd all time player if you want to go by PER

[warriorfan]

Kobe is a 23rd all time player if you want to go by PER

Wanna name 10 better players than Chris Bosh during 2009-2010? (The season before the decision)

[bigkingsfan]

Chris Bosh didn't make any of the ALL NBA team that year.

1st Team
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade

2nd Team
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams

3rd Team
Andrew Bogut
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Brandon Roy

[Dray n Klay]

Chris Bosh didn't make any of the ALL NBA team that year.

1st Team
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade

2nd Team
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams

3rd Team
Andrew Bogut
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Brandon Roy

Ether, Bosh was not a top 15 player

[warriorfan]

Chris Bosh didn't make any of the ALL NBA team that year.

1st Team
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade

2nd Team
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams

3rd Team
Andrew Bogut
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Brandon Roy

Bosh was better than Nash, Amare, Johnson, Gasol, Bogut, Williams

[bigkingsfan]

Bosh was better than Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade

[warriorfan]

Steve nash and Amare inflated their numbers due to their system and didn't play defense

Bogut is a good defensive player but Bosh's offensive game is vastly superior

Bosh is better than Gasol, better offense and can space the floor better

Bosh is better than Deron Williams, I don't think much of an explanation is needed

[SouBeachTalents]

Chris Bosh didn't make any of the ALL NBA team that year.

1st Team
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade

2nd Team
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams

3rd Team
Andrew Bogut
Tim Duncan
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Brandon Roy

Didn't make All-NBA or the playoffs in the pathetic East