"Star player" Zach Lavine with 9pts.

[AirBonner]

Discuss.

[Spurs m8]

Theres nothing to discuss

[FreezingTsmoove]

I told posters to step their game up in this weak ish era

Op is failing

[warriorfan]

:biggums:

[AirBonner]

I told posters to step their game up in this weak ish era

Op is failing
This thread is in response to the overreaction he has been getting lately. It's clear at this point solid role player is his ceiling.

[FireDavidKahn]

This thread is in response to the overreaction he has been getting lately. It's clear at this point solid role player is his ceiling.


Great thread, bro

People never have off games:facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Great thread, bro

People never have off games:facepalm

True, but the "Lavine-lovers" on this forum never miss an opportunity to pop in on the very few good games that this clown has played in his career.

Incidently, he not only finished 3-11 from the floor, but he was 1-9 until the last few minutes, and put up six of nine points when the game was well out of reach.

I was tempted to start this topic myself, since this board was inundated with posts following the one clutch game that loser Lavine has played in his career a couple of nights ago. But I thought...why waste my time on this POS player who likely will be delivering pizzas in a few years?

Of course, when, and if Zachy has another rare good game, I am sure the entire world will be able to read about here on ISH.

Personally, get back to me when he actually puts up meaningful games on a winning team. In the meantime, I am not wasting any more time on this loser.

[imdaman99]

He's like Westbrook with a jumper. He will have off games.

[LAZERUSS]

He's like Westbrook with a jumper. He will have off games.

He is nowhere near Westbrook. And, if he plays 35-40 minutes a night, he might have some good games. Of course, that is true with just about anyone playing in the NBA.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BN6kmqwFhxg/hqdefault.jpg

[coin24]

Aren't they on the second night of a back to back after a double ot win game??
Lol. No one played well..

LaVine Has improved tons already this season..rest in piss laz

[LAZERUSS]

Aren't they on the second night of a back to back after a double ot win game??
Lol. No one played well..

LaVine Has improved tons already this season..rest in piss laz

Hasn't this 21 year old clown played for nearly two seasons now? And with a combined W-L record of 39-110? And a career PER of 13.1?

Again...get back to me when he is putting up meaningful games on a winning team. As long as he is playing 35+ mpg...I don't see that happening any time soon.

[Labissiere]

Theres nothing to discuss
This. He is not at the level of expecting consistent high scoring.

[coin24]

Hasn't this 21 year old clown played for nearly two seasons now? And with a combined W-L record of 39-110? And a career PER of 13.1?

Again...get back to me when he is putting up meaningful games on a winning team. As long as he is playing 35+ mpg...I don't see that happening any time soon.


No ones expecting him to be a superstar wtf are you on about??:confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

No ones expecting him to be a superstar wtf are you on about??:confusedshrug:

Before his rookie campaign even began there were those here claiming that he was going to be great. Yet, he was a bench-warmer at UCLA and completely disappeared in the Bruins biggest games. I just didn't see then, nor have I seen much lately.

Look, he might go on to have a good career. But I just don't need to topics brought up about this guy every time he has a good game. He is obviously a physically gifted athlete. But I have also seen many physically talented players completely flop in their NBA careers. Just as we have witnessed the not-so-blessed go on to have brilliant NBA careers.

The T-Wolves look like they are developing some good players, but my god, they are miles away right now from even being an average team. It amazes me how much they miss Kevin Love. They went from a .500 team to a 16-66 team right after he left. It probably set them back 3-4 years.

[Gileraracer]

He's a clown, not relevant, and still you make a thread about him :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

He's a clown, not relevant, and still you make a thread about him :roll:

If you are directing this at me...I didn't start this topic...although I could have. My name is brought up every time Lavine has a good game. Which isn't very often.

[Cocaine80s]

Lavine is a superstar already

Everyone has a bad game

[LAZERUSS]

Lavine is a superstar already

Everyone has a bad game

Evidently everyone in the NBA is now a superstar.

[JtotheIzzo]

Hasn't this 21 year old clown played for nearly two seasons now? And with a combined W-L record of 39-110? And a career PER of 13.1?

Again...get back to me when he is putting up meaningful games on a winning team. As long as he is playing 35+ mpg...I don't see that happening any time soon.

This is a very disingenuous argument tactic and one that cripples discussion because of its asinine nature. Asinine, mainly because the author is dismissively putting the burden of proof on another from a hypothetical well in the future. The discussion is the ability of the player in question, and one cannot judge a player if you demand proof from a hypothetical set in the future.

We have to judge young players based on what we see, not from their environment. Yes, their environment does make the above request valid, but the above carries nowhere near the weight necessary to truly cloud judgement.

It can change things. For example bumps like this in production are often seen at the end of the season when players are getting a long look, and the opposition might be taking it a bit easy after a long grind.

Lavine is getting a long look, and basically his destiny in this league (IMHO) is not that of a superstar, nor is it that of a scrub. I initially thought he would be disposable since he is so lost on the defensive end of the floor and borderline special needs with his bball IQ, but he has shown an ability to score, and make plays.

Lavine's destiny in this league is that of an electric six man on a playoff team, a Jamal Crawford 2.0.

So while yes, we won't know how good a team he will contribute on until he gets on a better team, but balking at him whilt he is on a team that is basically Rubio, 5 kids 3 grandpas and a few scrubs is not fair.

We can with some sobriety see a change in his career arc over these past two weeks.

[GOATJono]

This thread is too harsh imo, give the kid a break he is already better than Wiggins.:lol :lol

[LAZERUSS]

This is a very disingenuous argument tactic and one that cripples discussion because of its asinine nature. Asinine, mainly because the author is dismissively putting the burden of proof on another from a hypothetical well in the future. The discussion is the ability of the player in question, and one cannot judge a player if you demand proof from a hypothetical set in the future.

We have to judge young players based on what we see, not from their environment. Yes, their environment does make the above request valid, but the above carries nowhere near the weight necessary to truly cloud judgement.

It can change things. For example bumps like this in production are often seen at the end of the season when players are getting a long look, and the opposition might be taking it a bit easy after a long grind.

Lavine is getting a long look, and basically his destiny in this league (IMHO) is not that of a superstar, nor is it that of a scrub. I initially thought he would be disposable since he is so lost on the defensive end of the floor and borderline special needs with his bball IQ, but he has shown an ability to score, and make plays.

Lavine's destiny in this league is that of an electric six man on a playoff team, a Jamal Crawford 2.0.

So while yes, we won't know how good a team he will contribute on until he gets on a better team, but balking at him whilt he is on a team that is basically Rubio, 5 kids 3 grandpas and a few scrubs is not fair.

We can with some sobriety see a change in his career arc over these past two weeks.

Here's the deal...

Before Lavine even started an NBA game there were those here touting him as something special. I merely pointed out at the time, that Lavine had been an average player, at best, in his one college season, and who rode the bench, shot poorly, and was a non-factor in UCLA's biggest games. To be honest, I was absolutely stunned that he was even drafted.

So, and as I expected, he did practically nothing in his rookie season. BUT, whenever he did have a good game...I was ripped for having claimed that he was nothing special in college. He had one good game early on, against a horrid Laker team with a putrid backcourt, and the Lavine-Lovers plastered the board.

As the season wore on he contributed nothing. But, at the end of the season, he again hung a couple of good games...and the lovers came out of the woodwork to point them out (with jabs at me.)

Then in his second season, he again was basically worthless until the last few weeks. But even those games need to be tempered. I have seen him shoot horrifically until the game is well out of reach, and I have seen games where he played well until the last few minutes, when he choked down the stretch. He finally had a clutch game a couple of nights ago, and the lovers made sure to point it out (specifically to me.)

I understand the most all players are drafted today on "potential", but the majority of them at least had flashes of brilliance in college (Wiggins, KAT, and AD come to mind.) Lavine had ZERO impact in his one college season. The scouts must have seen something that I didn't (I follow UCLA basketball, albeit, not nearly as much as I used to.)

If Lavine goes on to have a good NBA career...more power to him. But I am sick-and-tired of these "I told you so's" ...who only pop up in the few good games that he has played.

Get back to me when he actually plays well in a meaningful environment. I have seen a ton of "flash-in-the-pans" in my lifetime, and I certainly don't put much stock in a handful of meaningless games. I have even witnessed 50+ point games by scrubs. But what I need to see from Zach is exceptional play, in meaningful games, and in critical situations. Until then...I'm, sorry, but I'll continue to be a "doubting Lazeruss."

[Spurs m8]

He's 21 too...

[Ass Dan]

Here's the deal...

Before Lavine even started an NBA game there were those here touting him as something special. I merely pointed out at the time, that Lavine had been an average player, at best, in his one college season, and who rode the bench, shot poorly, and was a non-factor in UCLA's biggest games. To be honest, I was absolutely stunned that he was even drafted.

So, and as I expected, he did practically nothing in his rookie season. BUT, whenever he did have a good game...I was ripped for having claimed that he was nothing special in college. He had one good game early on, against a horrid Laker team with a putrid backcourt, and the Lavine-Lovers plastered the board.

As the season wore on he contributed nothing. But, at the end of the season, he again hung a couple of good games...and the lovers came out of the woodwork to point them out (with jabs at me.)

Then in his second season, he again was basically worthless until the last few weeks. But even those games need to be tempered. I have seen him shoot horrifically until the game is well out of reach, and I have seen games where he played well until the last few minutes, when he choked down the stretch. He finally had a clutch game a couple of nights ago, and the lovers made sure to point it out (specifically to me.)

I understand the most all players are drafted today on "potential", but the majority of them at least had flashes of brilliance in college (Wiggins, KAT, and AD come to mind.) Lavine had ZERO impact in his one college season. The scouts must have seen something that I didn't (I follow UCLA basketball, albeit, not nearly as much as I used to.)

If Lavine goes on to have a good NBA career...more power to him. But I am sick-and-tired of these "I told you so's" ...who only pop up in the few good games that he has played.

Get back to me when he actually plays well in a meaningful environment. I have seen a ton of "flash-in-the-pans" in my lifetime, and I certainly don't put much stock in a handful of meaningless games. I have even witnessed 50+ point games by scrubs. But what I need to see from Zach is exceptional play, in meaningful games, and in critical situations. Until then...I'm, sorry, but I'll continue to be a "doubting Lazeruss."

I agree with much of what you say, Lavine is a child

[robert de niro]

laz go feed the birds at the park instead of stalking and bullying a lil boy you creep :oldlol: