There has never been a player benefit more from a teammate than Pau Gasol...

[stalkerforlife]

Never in the history of the NBA has a player benefited more than Pau Gasol by playing with a particular teammate. (Kobe)

Before Kobe - Pau was considered a soft euro with zero ability to lead or win. (0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe)

After Kobe - Dude is considered the 56th best player of all time by ESPN. (Absolute joke)

Pau has very little testosterone and is a very soft, emotional player. He whines on nearly every possession and flails around like a soft ass homosexual when he's bodied. (Before Kobe)

Kobe gave him balls. Kobe made him. He was Shareef Abdur Rahim before Kobe.

[Dray n Klay]

Gasol has done more without Kobe, than Kobe has without Gasol.


Nothing you say can change that, Simon.

[warriorfan]

Pau Gasol was just a greasy european homo before Kobe mentored him

[stalkerforlife]

Gasol has done more without Kobe, than Kobe has without Gasol.


Nothing you say can change that, Simon.

:facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Pau Gasol was just a greasy european homo before Kobe mentored him

After Shannon Brown slept with his girl, he completely shut down and started playing the way he played before Kobe. It ended a dynasty.

Pau literally ended a dynasty because he reverted back to his soft floppy ass after Brown slept with his girl.

[Dray n Klay]

Gasol had a higher player efficiency rating, and more win shares on those 2009, 2010 teams than Kobe



Gasol was statistically better than Kobe. Gasol was the alpha, Kobe was the spoilt brat.



Those 2 FMVP's were the greatest robbery in NBA History

[Jacks3]

Kobe definitely made him a better player.

It's no coincidence that his TS% and ORTG saw a HUGE jump upward as soon as he joined the Lakers. That happens when you join up with the best offensive player in the world.

It's amazing how little credit he gets for instantly meshing with Pau. Literally from their very first game together...they looked like they had been playing together for years. The synergy was off the charts.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe definitely made him a better player.

It's no coincidence that his TS% and ORTG saw a HUGE jump upward as soon as he joined the Lakers. That happens when you join up with the best offensive player in the world.

It's amazing how little credit he gets for instantly meshing with Pau. Literally from their very first game together...they looked like they had been playing together for years. The synergy was off the charts.

:applause:

[Nilocon165]

Gasol has done more without Kobe, than Kobe has without Gasol.


Nothing you say can change that, Simon.
huh

[Labissiere]

Never in the history of the NBA has a player benefited more than Pau Gasol by playing with a particular teammate. (Kobe)

Before Kobe - Pau was considered a soft euro with zero ability to lead or win. (0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe)

After Kobe - Dude is considered the 56th best player of all time by ESPN. (Absolute joke)

Pau has very little testosterone and is a very soft, emotional player. He whines on nearly every possession and flails around like a soft ass homosexual when he's bodied. (Before Kobe)

Kobe gave him balls. Kobe made him. He was Shareef Abdur Rahim before Kobe.
3/5 of the reason Kobe is considered a top 15 player is because of Shaq.

Also, Pau was much better without Kobe in the last few years. Clearly Kobe held him back.

[GrapeApe]

Isn't it fair to say that Gasol and Kobe both benefited from each other? It's also fair to say Shaq and Kobe both benefited from each other, or any pair of great players who enjoyed great success together. No?

:confusedshrug:

Obviously Kobe was a more established and decorated player when they joined, but that doesn't necessarily mean one benefited more from the other. If not for Gasol, Kobe might only have 3 rings and 0 FMVP's. If not for Kobe, Gasol might have 0 rings and only be a borderline HOFer. Either way, that's a pretty significant drop in status for each player.

[JT123]

Isn't it fair to say that Gasol and Kobe both benefited from each other? It's also fair to say Shaq and Kobe both benefited from each other, or any pair of great players who enjoyed great success together. No?

:confusedshrug:

Obviously Kobe was a more established and decorated player when they joined, but that doesn't necessarily mean one benefited more from the other. If not for Gasol, Kobe might only have 3 rings and 0 FMVP's. If not for Kobe, Gasol might have 0 rings and only be a borderline HOFer. Either way, that's a pretty significant drop in status for each player.
Kobe benefited WAY more than Gasol did. Gasol is an intelligent man with several interests and talents that have nothing to do with basketball. You think he seriously gives a damn about being a HOFer? :lol
Kobe on the other hand has NOTHING in his life outside of basketball. No friends, a failing brand, and a gold digging wife who's only with him for his money/fame. If Kobe had not won a single alpha dog ring despite dedicating his entire life to basketball, he might have committed suicide.
OP knows this too, which is why he made the thread. :lol

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe benefited WAY more than Gasol did. Gasol is an intelligent man with several interests and talents that have nothing to do with basketball. You think he seriously gives a damn about being a HOFer? :lol
Kobe on the other hand has NOTHING in his life outside of basketball. No friends, a failing brand, and a gold digging wife who's only with him for his money/fame. If Kobe had not won a single alpha dog ring despite dedicating his entire life to basketball, he might have committed suicide.
OP knows this too, which is why he made the thread. :lol

Damn, agreed.

[InsanityKills]

Kobe benefited WAY more than Gasol did. Gasol is an intelligent man with several interests and talents that have nothing to do with basketball. You think he seriously gives a damn about being a HOFer? :lol
Kobe on the other hand has NOTHING in his life outside of basketball. No friends, a failing brand, and a gold digging wife who's only with him for his money/fame. If Kobe had not won a single alpha dog ring despite dedicating his entire life to basketball, he might have committed suicide.
OP knows this too, which is why he made the thread. :lol
:lol :lol :lol

[Real14]

I agree with this.

[COnDEMnED]

Jordan was a career loser until Pippen came along. So there's that...

[G0ATbe]

Shaq, MJ.

[Real14]

Jordan was a career loser until Pippen came along. So there's that...
It was only Jordan's 4th year. So there's that...

[COnDEMnED]

It was only Jordan's 4th year. So there's that...
Right, but that wasn't the question.

[Real14]

Right, but that wasn't the question.
Yea but Pau was in 7th year when he first started playing with Kobe and Pau was never tha leader.

[COnDEMnED]

Yea but Pau was in 7th year when he first started playing with Kobe and Pau was never tha leader.
But Pau got 2 championships by playing with Kobe.
Jordan got 6 by playing with Pippen.
Who benefitted more?

On the subject, I'd add every Celtics team who ever played with Bill Russell.

[plowking]

Kobe definitely made him a better player.

It's no coincidence that his TS% and ORTG saw a HUGE jump upward as soon as he joined the Lakers. That happens when you join up with the best offensive player in the world.



Kobe increases the amount of offensive boards available in a game, hence his big man's numbers look great. Always gonna look nice having easy put backs all game.

[bigkingsfan]

Pau Gasol never missed the playoffs in his prime.

[Bankaii]

Kobe definitely made him a better player.

It's no coincidence that his TS% and ORTG saw a HUGE jump upward as soon as he joined the Lakers. That happens when you join up with the best offensive player in the world.

It's amazing how little credit he gets for instantly meshing with Pau. Literally from their very first game together...they looked like they had been playing together for years. The synergy was off the charts.
So much bullshit in one post.

You have to be trolling:oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau Gasol never missed the playoffs in his prime.

:biggums:

[HurricaneKid]

Isn't it fair to say that Gasol and Kobe both benefited from each other? It's also fair to say Shaq and Kobe both benefited from each other, or any pair of great players who enjoyed great success together. No?

:confusedshrug:

Obviously Kobe was a more established and decorated player when they joined, but that doesn't necessarily mean one benefited more from the other. If not for Gasol, Kobe might only have 3 rings and 0 FMVP's. If not for Kobe, Gasol might have 0 rings and only be a borderline HOFer. Either way, that's a pretty significant drop in status for each player.

There is no room for reason here at ISH Ape.

Pick a side.

[G-Funk]

He wasn't even considered a threat by any team before Kobe and after.

[Smoke117]

Meltdown fam at it again.

[Kblaze8855]

This isnt anywhere even remotely close to true. Forget Kobe/Gasol. You know KC Jones is in 3 hall of fames as a player? Hes in the NCAA, olympic, and overall basketball hall of fames....all as a player(one as a coach as well). He was a 7/4 37% shooting player who shot FTs like Rajon Rondo but played tough defense. Never made an all star game. Was never some top tier pro player.

Know why hes in all these halls of fame? He won back to back NCAA titles, the olympic gold by the widest margin of victory ever(including the dream team), and 8 NBA titles. And guess what? All ELEVEN of those were on Billl Russells team. College, team USA and, NBA. Every noteworthy moment of that guys basketball playing career(a deep tournament run in 57 aside) was on Russells team.

Bill Russell personally carved the non all star career 7th option KC Jones 3 hall of fame busts and people in here talking about Pau Gasol....a 6 time all star, 4 time all nba, franchise player....who is likely a hall of famer even without his 2 NBA titles considering he led his country to a world cup win(blowing out Greece who knocked out team USA) and a couple silver medals.

But he benefited more from Kobe than anyone from a teammate....


All these topics about "In the history of the nba..." do is show who doesnt know shit about the history of the nba. Which is fine. Not everyone cares to investigate such things. But if you dont....dont pretend.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Gasol w/o Kobe = 3x all star, 1x all nba

Gasol before Kobe = 1x all star

[MP.Trey]

Pau as a first option in 2006 in the West led his team to a better record than Bryant did in a similar situation as both got bounced in the first round. Neither could win as the sole All Star on their team. Seemed very mutually beneficial to me.

[riseagainst]

Pau had 0 playoff wins before Kobe.
Kobe already 3peated before Pau.

Pretty obvious who made who better here, nothing else to discuss.

[Labissiere]

Kobe benefited WAY more than Gasol did. Gasol is an intelligent man with several interests and talents that have nothing to do with basketball. You think he seriously gives a damn about being a HOFer? :lol
Kobe on the other hand has NOTHING in his life outside of basketball. No friends, a failing brand, and a gold digging wife who's only with him for his money/fame. If Kobe had not won a single alpha dog ring despite dedicating his entire life to basketball, he might have committed suicide.
OP knows this too, which is why he made the thread. :lol
:lol

[Labissiere]

Pau had 0 playoff wins before Kobe.
Kobe already 3peated before Pau.

Pretty obvious who made who better here, nothing else to discuss.
Shaq

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Gasol arguably saved Kobe's career if anything.

Without him, Bean would've been regarded as somebody who couldn't win as THE guy. Never mind being Shaq's forever sidekick.

I'm not saying Gasol didn't benefit playing with the Lakers, but I'm just saying. :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

Shaq

What does Shaq have to do with Kobe without Pau or Pau without Kobe?

:confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

This isnt anywhere even remotely close to true. Forget Kobe/Gasol. You know KC Jones is in 3 hall of fames as a player? Hes in the NCAA, olympic, and overall basketball hall of fames....all as a player(one as a coach as well). He was a 7/4 37% shooting player who shot FTs like Rajon Rondo but played tough defense. Never made an all star game. Was never some top tier pro player.

Know why hes in all these halls of fame? He won back to back NCAA titles, the olympic gold by the widest margin of victory ever(including the dream team), and 8 NBA titles. And guess what? All ELEVEN of those were on Billl Russells team. College, team USA and, NBA. Every noteworthy moment of that guys basketball playing career(a deep tournament run in 57 aside) was on Russells team.

Bill Russell personally carved the non all star career 7th option KC Jones 3 hall of fame busts and people in here talking about Pau Gasol....a 6 time all star, 4 time all nba, franchise player....who is likely a hall of famer even without his 2 NBA titles considering he led his country to a world cup win(blowing out Greece who knocked out team USA) and a couple silver medals.

But he benefited more from Kobe than anyone from a teammate....


All these topics about "In the history of the nba..." do is show who doesnt know shit about the history of the nba. Which is fine. Not everyone cares to investigate such things. But if you dont....dont pretend.

Sorry dude, but most people don't hold that era in as high regard as the revolutionized era of today. There were 8 teams in the NBA at times during that era, with most of the best players on the Celtics.

Awards for that era are simply paying homage to the founders.

Players today would absolutely shit on that era.

[Labissiere]

Gasol arguably saved Kobe's career if anything.

Without him, Bean would've been regarded as somebody who couldn't win as THE guy. Never mind being Shaq's forever sidekick.

I'm not saying Gasol didn't benefit playing with the Lakers, but I'm just saying. :confusedshrug:
Gasol was going to be a perennial all-star with or without Kobe. He was also on his way out of Memphis. He could have easily went to a team that had a chance of winning a championship at that time.

Kobe would have never won another championship in LA without Pau, and if he left to get a championship, he would be viewed as a colluder like LeBron.

[Labissiere]

What does Shaq have to do with Kobe without Pau or Pau without Kobe?

:confusedshrug:
Shaq was more responsible for the 3peat, so Kobe 3peating without Pau is moot.

[Kblaze8855]

Sorry dude, but most people don't hold that era in as high regard as the revolutionized era of today. There were 8 teams in the NBA at times during that era, with most of the best players on the Celtics.

Awards for that era are simply paying homage to the founders.

Players today would absolutely shit on that era.


It doesnt seem you know anything about that era or much about this one. Not that it matters anyway since the era or how good its players are have nothing to do with your statement. You said nobody benefited more from a teammate. Kc Jones...a non all star 7/4 role player....is in 3 halls of fame because of a single teammate. That alone makes your statement hard to defend. The many other examples throughout history just make it more clear you either dont know about history or you simply use "In history" as emphasis. Which many people do.

Almost always poorly.

If you dont mean "Never in the history of the NBA" then say something else.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Gasol was going to be a perennial all-star with or without Kobe. He was also on his way out of Memphis. He could have easily went to a team that had a chance of winning a championship at that time.

Kobe would have never won another championship in LA without Pau, and if he left to get a championship, he would be viewed as a colluder like LeBron.

Very true.

We know the reason Kobe stayed with the Lakers was because they landed Pau.

[stalkerforlife]

It doesnt seem you know anything about that era or much about this one. Not that it matters anyway since the era or how good its players are have nothing to do with your statement. You said nobody benefited more from a teammate. Kc Jones...a non all star 7/4 role player....is in 3 halls of fame because of a single teammate. That alone makes your statement hard to defend. The many other examples throughout history just make it more clear you either dont know about history or you simply use "In history" as emphasis. Which many people do.

Almost always poorly.

If you dont mean "Never in the history of the NBA" then say something else.

You're probably right about that particular example.

I should've said "modern era."

[Labissiere]

Very true.

We know the reason Kobe stayed with the Lakers was because they landed Pau.
Exactly. Kobe was saved by Pau in more than 1 way. The overall perception of him as this loyal hero is 100% because of Pau.

[tmacattack33]

Never in the history of the NBA has a player benefited more than Pau Gasol by playing with a particular teammate. (Kobe)

Before Kobe - Pau was considered a soft euro with zero ability to lead or win. (0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe)

After Kobe - Dude is considered the 56th best player of all time by ESPN. (Absolute joke)

Pau has very little testosterone and is a very soft, emotional player. He whines on nearly every possession and flails around like a soft ass homosexual when he's bodied. (Before Kobe)

Kobe gave him balls. Kobe made him. He was Shareef Abdur Rahim before Kobe.

:roll:

Is that why Gasol had a career resurgence after leaving Kobe and the Lakers a few years ago?

LOL.




Howard also looked better the year directly after leaving the Lakers.



...and we can pretty much guarantee that Clarkson, Lou Williams, J Randle, and Deangelo will look a lot better next year without someone taking away 15 of their shots per game at 35% FG.

[hold this L]

People who don't like Kobe, "Kobe is lucky that Pau carried him"
People who like Kobe, "Pau is lucky that Kobe carried him"

:pimp:

[stalkerforlife]

:roll:

Is that why Gasol had a career resurgence after leaving Kobe and the Lakers a few years ago?

LOL.




Howard also looked better the year directly after leaving the Lakers.

Gasol had a resurgence because he finally got over Shannon Brown sleeping with his girlfriend.

And no one cares about Dwight's soft ass...he's been exposed.

[riseagainst]

:roll:

Is that why Gasol had a career resurgence after leaving Kobe and the Lakers a few years ago?

LOL.




Howard also looked better the year directly after leaving the Lakers.


What resurgence?

They are both irrelevant now.

[Showtime2001]

:roll:

Is that why Gasol had a career resurgence after leaving Kobe and the Lakers a few years ago?

LOL.




Howard also looked better the year directly after leaving the Lakers.



...and we can pretty much guarantee that Clarkson, Lou Williams, J Randle, and Deangelo will look a lot better next year without someone taking away 15 of their shots per game at 35% FG.
Yet one is a career loser and the other was a career loser before he played with Kobe. :applause:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Stupid ass thread. Gasol was an NBA Superstar before playing next to Kobe.

[MiseryCityTexas]

How many championships did Kobe win in the post Shaq era before the Gasol trade?

[sd3035]

Lebron has benefited far more from his teammates

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[Smoke117]

Gasol had a resurgence because he finally got over Shannon Brown sleeping with his girlfriend.

And no one cares about Dwight's soft ass...he's been exposed.

A three time DPOY is soft...and you think people should respect your basketball opinion?

[stalkerforlife]

A three time DPOY is soft...and you think people should respect your basketball opinion?

You're making yourself look silly.

Everyone knows Dwight has become a soft drama queen after he got SVG fired.

[Smoke117]

You're making yourself look silly.

Everyone knows Dwight has become a soft drama queen after he got SVG fired.

No he became "soft" or lesser because he hurt his back and never fully recovered from it. He as an absolute beast before that back injury. Before his injury he was the closest thing to a Shaq level physical dominance...if Howard was in dunking distance of the basket you were screwed and there was nothing you could do except foul him.

[warriorfan]

No he became "soft" or lesser because he hurt his back and never fully recovered from it. He as an absolute beast before that back injury. Before his injury he was the closest thing to a Shaq level physical dominance...if Howard was in dunking distance of the basket you were screwed and there was nothing you could do except foul him.

hes soft cause he consistently checks out of games mentally, svg was the one guy who kept him focused

btw how many of those DPOY's you were talking about were won without svg?

:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Very true.

We know the reason Kobe stayed with the Lakers was because they landed Pau.

yeah because he didn't have the team in the playoffs with HCA before Pau came or anything :rolleyes:

Lakers would have found another 18/8 PF to pair up with Kobe, those aren't that hard to find.

Lakers were already turning it around without Pau. I can't believe you agreed with Pau being a perennial all star, dude was only a ONE TIME all star before Kobe.

He has 2 without Kobe and that's because he's in the east and was an injury replacement this year :oldlol:

so 2 legit all star selections without Kobe. BTW, how did he do in the playoffs without him last year? His stats plummeted from the regular season and he sat out with an injury that he could have played through

[Showtime2001]

Very true.

We know the reason Kobe stayed with the Lakers was because they landed Pau.
Lakers already had the #1 seed in the West before they acquired Pau and there were no talks about Kobe wanting to leave...