80s and 90s NBA basketball EXPOSED! (Definitive proof inside!)

[CuterThanRubio]

I'm sure by now you have heard the old adage, "basketball in the 80s and 90s was more physical and defense was stronger than it is now".

Well, I'm here to ASSURE you that this way of thinking is incorrect!

First, let us consider the fact that internet streaming and extended cable broadcasting didn't exist during those days, and you were only able to watch a select handful of games from the team you lived nearest to, up until the playoffs of course, which is where a lot of these myths tend to stem from, since the highest quality play is found during the postseason.

You have to wonder how people can be so convinced that oldschool basketball was greater than it is now when they weren't even able to watch more than a few different teams at most, it must have been an easy conclusion to think that since JORDAN was responsible for orchestrating a number of elite performances that this must happen all over the place (and even he was gifted most of his points by weak defenders and primitive tactics, can you imagine what a matchup between the worst teams in the league back then looked like? Nightmare fuel)

Of course, with the advent of youtube and similar internet video sites we are now able to review the small amount of available footage from those days, and the schoolyard myths and legends of yesteryear have quickly gone extinct.

I will begin my demonstration by comparing the number of 20 point scorers in the league through the first SIX years of the 80s, 90s and 10s (three point shooting era)

I have seen people argue that scoring is easier now, well if that was the case it seems safe to assume that there would be more players averaging high scoring totals, right?

Here are the numbers.


80-81
20

81-82
19

82-83
27

83-84
28

84-85
29

85-86
28

Total = 151

90-91
26

91-92
23

92-93
21

93-94
18

94-95
25

95-96
22

total = 135



10-11
21

11-12
16

12-13
11

13-14
21

14-15
20

15-16
24

Total = 113

Surprised?

You shouldn't be. Faster pace and weaker defense allowed players to attack the rim with relative ease in the 80s and 90s, defenders were LAZY and UNINTERESTED if they didn't have an easy opportunity for a stop, I would also like to remind you that scoring averages were HIGHER back then as well.

For the second half of my demonstration I collected screenshots from NBA FINALS games from the first SIX years of each decade, the best teams in the league going head to head.

See for yourself, Modern basketball is superior in EVERY FACET of the game and there is no denying it.

I quickly skimmed through clips to find these images, BELIEVE me when I tell you that there is an entire CATALOG of stuff like this.


(Click screenshots to make them larger)

1981

http://s8.postimg.org/q0pys6ee9/81finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/q0pys6ee9/)

http://s7.postimg.org/itk77wczb/81_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/itk77wczb/)

1982

http://s8.postimg.org/wz8bmpxlt/82_Finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wz8bmpxlt/)

http://s9.postimg.org/6b25z36cb/82finals2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6b25z36cb/)

http://s13.postimg.org/nf7poews3/82_FINALS3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/nf7poews3/)

1983

http://s10.postimg.org/j3mli7bv9/83finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/j3mli7bv9/)

http://s21.postimg.org/lgt9fjy03/83_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/lgt9fjy03/)

1984

http://s7.postimg.org/4amphcfjr/84_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4amphcfjr/)

http://s12.postimg.org/b9l7ssxft/84_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/b9l7ssxft/)

1985

http://s9.postimg.org/woqp8ztgb/85_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/woqp8ztgb/)

[CuterThanRubio]

http://s23.postimg.org/obbv4r0p3/85_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/obbv4r0p3/)

1986

http://s15.postimg.org/uj38u1kwn/86finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/uj38u1kwn/)

1991

http://s16.postimg.org/k7yyxnhe9/91finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/k7yyxnhe9/)

http://s23.postimg.org/wi8wtfx3b/91finals2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wi8wtfx3b/)

1992

http://s7.postimg.org/6bam9ye1j/open.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6bam9ye1j/)

http://s29.postimg.org/nyye22gab/JOKE.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/nyye22gab/)


http://s11.postimg.org/7iycc3r8f/wtf.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/7iycc3r8f/)

http://s18.postimg.org/chyt3z8ad/why.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/chyt3z8ad/)


http://s30.postimg.org/htwopg3rx/hello.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/htwopg3rx/)


http://s10.postimg.org/jjn9v87ol/illustrate.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jjn9v87ol/)

[CuterThanRubio]

1993

http://s16.postimg.org/422mb0c7l/93_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/422mb0c7l/)

http://s22.postimg.org/vi25v7r3h/93_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/vi25v7r3h/)

1994

http://s16.postimg.org/totdi0qmp/94_Finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/totdi0qmp/)

http://s11.postimg.org/j78qrvqnj/94finals2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/j78qrvqnj/)

http://s18.postimg.org/bk94wv4zp/94finals3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/bk94wv4zp/)

http://s29.postimg.org/cm8nwn72r/94finals4.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/cm8nwn72r/)


1995

http://s22.postimg.org/t0zlfflyl/95_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/t0zlfflyl/)

http://s12.postimg.org/fiuzs370p/95_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/fiuzs370p/)

http://s18.postimg.org/o9cm80pvp/95_FINALS3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/o9cm80pvp/)


1996

http://s23.postimg.org/eg2syxk5j/96_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/eg2syxk5j/)

[CuterThanRubio]

http://s30.postimg.org/vtg4p063h/96finals2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/vtg4p063h/)

2011

http://s15.postimg.org/551dsdxxz/11_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/551dsdxxz/)

http://s16.postimg.org/hfsqabzyp/11_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/hfsqabzyp/)

2012

http://s28.postimg.org/xn4cqvnbd/12_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xn4cqvnbd/)

http://s28.postimg.org/u7gtv2fgp/12_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/u7gtv2fgp/)


2013

http://s24.postimg.org/68gmn7grl/13_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/68gmn7grl/)

http://s23.postimg.org/pnpfc9pon/13_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/pnpfc9pon/)

2014

http://s11.postimg.org/y3upfk1wv/14_FINALS.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/y3upfk1wv/)

http://s9.postimg.org/in0xi7lqz/14_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/in0xi7lqz/)


2015

http://s28.postimg.org/snbhwo72h/15finals.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/snbhwo72h/)

[CuterThanRubio]

http://s7.postimg.org/b7cqzi3ef/15_FINALS2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/b7cqzi3ef/)

20Curry

https://streamable.com/h2v2?t=6.0

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[pastis]

nothing new here tbh. its a well known fact that todays defense is better due to better overall players, better athleticisim, tactics etc. its tougher, harder, tighter.

look how kobe, wade, dirk, lebron, durant are guarded. in RS and especially playoffs.

i watched some bird playoff games.....no defense at all. literally no defense.

[andgar923]

It's obvious OP is young not just in age but to the net.

This argument is old and has been blown to pieces repeatedly.

OP should stop now before getting exposed for the noob that he is.

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.

[CuterThanRubio]

It's obvious OP is young not just in age but to the net.

This argument is old and has been blown to pieces repeatedly.

OP should stop now before getting exposed for the noob that he is.

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.

I'm a forum veteran, boy!

4k views on my first thread here, I think I know what I'm doing, providing meaningful topics for interesting discussion, stop hating on me for having a valid opinion on the sport we all love!

This argument has not been blown to pieces, most people don't put enough thought into it and merely agree that oldschool is better for the sake of saving face, I'm not that type of person.

I'm probably older than you and DEFINITELY better at basketball so please relax and join the discussion or move on.

[andgar923]

I'm a forum veteran, boy!

4k views on my first thread here, I think I know what I'm doing, providing meaningful topics for interesting discussion, stop hating on me for having a valid opinion on the sport we all love!

This argument has not been blown to pieces, most people don't put enough thought into it and merely agree that oldschool is better for the sake of saving face, I'm not that type of person.

I'm probably older than you and DEFINITELY better at basketball so please relax and join the discussion or move on.
:lol :lol

[CuterThanRubio]

:lol :lol

Exactly.

Keep it moving, go work on some more of your trash beats or something if you aren't going to speak on the subject.

Struggle loops with dusty drums lmao, no wonder you are so up in arms over this exposure, trying a bit TOO hard to connect with a certain time period that you aren't a product of, hilarious!

Back to the topic!

[3ball]

Today's defense is tighter



NBA.com describes most of today's 3-point attempts as "open" (4-6 feet) or "very open" (6+ feet)



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)



Don't be surprised that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's game has 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play, so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

In previous eras, there was usually zero, or maybe 1 player standing behind the line... So defenses didn't need complicated rotations and a defender could hug his man at the 3-point line easier without needing to come off him.

[CuterThanRubio]

NBA.com describes most of today's 3-point attempts as "open" (4-6 feet) or "very open" (6+ feet)



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)



Don't be surprised that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's game has 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play, so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

In previous eras, there was usually zero, or maybe 1 player standing behind the line... So defenses didn't need complicated rotations and a defender could hug his man at the 3-point line easier without needing to come off him.

STOP SPAMMING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

We are examining VISUAL EVIDENCE in this thread, not arbitrary statistics!

Please show me all of these open threes?

You don't watch basketball

[3ball]

.
Two problems with your data:


1) Out of the 24 players averaging 20 ppg this season, 21 of them are perimeter players (PG thru SF)... But in 1996, only 11 of 22 were perimeter players.

I haven't looked at the remaining years, but I'm certain that in today's era, a much higher proportion of 20 ppg scorers are perimeter players... Today's game favors perimeter players - every statistical measure shows this.



2) 3-pointers need to be more open, so today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, 2-pointers have always been more contested, so eras that took mostly 2-pointers settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.

Additionally, the higher proportion of 2-pointers caused MUCH higher offensive rebounding rates in previous eras, which resulted in higher ORtg and DRtg.. This is just how the stat is calculated.

If you removed the 3-point line from today's game, offensive rebounding rate would increase again, which would result in higher ORtg... And of course, teams would settle for more contested shots (2-pointers), resulting in less offense being run and faster pace.

[aj1987]

Basketball - The only sport which got and still gets worse over time. :oldlol:

[CuterThanRubio]

.
Two problems with your data:


1) Out of the 24 players averaging 20 ppg this season, 19 of them are perimeter players (PG thru SF)... But in 1996, only 11 of 22 were perimeter players.

I haven't looked at the remaining years, but I'm certain that in today's era, a much higher proportion of 20 ppg scorers are perimeter players... Today's game favors perimeter players - every statistical measure shows this.



2) 3-pointers need to be more open, so today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, 2-pointers have always been more contested, so eras that took mostly 2-pointers settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.

Additionally, the higher proportion of 2-pointers caused MUCH higher offensive rebounding rates in previous eras, which resulted in higher ORtg and DRtg.. This is just how the stat is calculated.

If you removed the 3-point line from today's game, offensive rebounding rate would increase again, which would result in higher ORtg... And of course, teams would settle for more contested shots (2-pointers), resulting in less offense being run and faster pace.

Correct, players today are SUPERIOR SHOOTERS and score more points from the outside, because 3 is worth more than 2, why bother fighting harder for less points?

Teams today run more offense and they also run more COMPLEX offense.

Oldschool tactics were sloppy and mostly isolation based dump offs to a big for a post up.

The funny thing is that the 3 line was around during the era that I'm dissecting, yet they still decided settling for tightly contested shots was a better idea, when teams now have proven that to be a POOR strategy.

2016 Warriors would beat any team from any past era.

[livinglegend]

OP DESTROYING the old grandpas of the forum. :oldlol: :oldlol:
3 heart attacks and counting

[3ball]

Teams today run more offense and they also run more COMPLEX offense.


Today's offenses are designed to get catch-and-shoot 3-pointers via drive-and-kick.

So they're much simpler offenses (screen roll, rinse-repeat) and more TIME-CONSUMING.





The funny thing is that the 3 line was around during the era that I'm dissecting, yet they still decided settling for tightly contested shots was a better idea, when teams now have proven that to be a POOR strategy.


If today's player went back in time, they would be forced to take the same contested shots because they wouldn't have teammates spreading the floor for them (no spacing).

Without spacing, they wouldn't be running today's offenses that generate the open looks.





Correct, players today are SUPERIOR SHOOTERS


They're FAR worse shooters from midrange - it's not even close.

Furthermore, when you say "superior shooting", you're referring to the many the 3-point SPECIALISTS in today's game, because most of the top wing scorers are poor 3-point shooters - Lebron, Wade, Westbrook, Derozan, Butler

Infact, they all have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency, but they're still top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players to get to the rim easier than ever before..

Players simply DON'T need to be a good shooters to be top scorers in today's game... Again - Lebron, Wade, Westbrook, Butler, and Derozan have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency.





2016 Warriors would beat any team from any past era.


The Warriors rely on the 3-point shot to be great.

Without the 3-point line, or if a team takes it away (like the Spurs did the other night), they're nothing.

The Bulls weren't one-dimensional and therefore couldn't be exploited in that way - they had superior capacity to excel regardless of era, brand of basketball or regulatory environment.
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[3ball]

OP DESTROYING the old grandpas of the forum. :oldlol: :oldlol:
3 heart attacks and counting
Actually, this already destroyed OP:

Out of the 24 players averaging 20 ppg this season, 21 of them are perimeter players (PG thru SF)... But in 1996, only 11 of 22 were perimeter players.

In today's era, a much higher proportion of 20 ppg scorers are perimeter players... Today's game simply favors perimeter players - every statistical measure shows this.

[Round Mound]

:roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:

[CuterThanRubio]

Actually, this already destroyed OP:

Out of the 24 players averaging 20 ppg this season, 21 of them are perimeter players (PG thru SF)... But in 1996, only 11 of 22 were perimeter players.

In today's era, a much higher proportion of 20 ppg scorers are perimeter players... Today's game simply favors perimeter players - every statistical measure shows this.

It was MUCH easier to score in the paint in 1996, even though paint camping was legal, isn't that something!

Once defenses began operating more efficiently coaches had to discover new ways to score the ball since waltzing into the lane wasn't working anymore, hence the rise of the three point shot.

It's simple

[ballinhun8]

How many times does 3ball have to kill OP before he gets the idea??




Screenshots for days lol

[TheImmortal]

80s and 90s were trash... Facts!

[CuterThanRubio]

How many times does 3ball have to kill OP before he gets the idea??




Screenshots for days lol

You have been here for ten years and none of your posts have contributed anything valuable to the board.

Where are your talking points, stats, and/or screenshots?

Thought so, all you do is ride coattails.

:coleman:

[oh the horror]

OP DESTROYING the old grandpas of the forum. :oldlol: :oldlol:
3 heart attacks and counting



If by "destroying" you mean getting on his knees and closing his eyes, mouth open while we all collectively bukkake in his mouth. Yeah man, super destruction.

[sportjames23]

3ball beating the shit outta this kid. Somebody betta call the cops and have him arrested for child abuse.

[Dray n Klay]

3ball beating the shit outta this kid. Somebody betta call the cops and have him arrested


You basically described what happened to MJ's Father :(


3ball = Murderer

[Real14]

3ball beating the shit outta this kid. Somebody betta call the cops and have him arrested for child abuse.
Exactly. Anti Bron lovers wins again:cheers:

[90sgoat]

You basically described what happened to MJ's Father :(


3ball = Murderer

Ban this ****tard Buddadii/Dubeta

[ballinhun8]

You have been here for ten years and none of your posts have contributed anything valuable to the board.

Where are your talking points, stats, and/or screenshots?

Thought so, all you do is ride coattails.

:coleman:


The minute you signed up with that username you threw away any chance you had of people taking you seriously. You're just another worthless poster trashing on the same old recycled subject.

I'm glad you brought up my 10 years here as if you were here for all 10 :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

The minute you signed up with that username you threw away any chance you had of people taking you seriously. You're just another worthless poster trashing on the same old recycled subject.

I'm glad you brought up my 10 years here as if you were here for all 10 :oldlol:


Damn, beating OP's ass like a drum. :pimp:

[CuterThanRubio]

The minute you signed up with that username you threw away any chance you had of people taking you seriously. You're just another worthless poster trashing on the same old recycled subject.

I'm glad you brought up my 10 years here as if you were here for all 10 :oldlol:


You are past your prime, why bother sticking around if you aren't going to make an effort?

Ten years spent getting angry over NBA basketball, what a life, I'd call that a waste of precious time if you ask me.

My username is better than yours, it's not about being taken serious on a forum that is populated by trolls and fanboys, I knew I would be tugging at the heartstrings of WEAK MINDED individuals like you and 3ball the second I thought of it, keep crying because I'm not done with my crusade here.

I'm bringing SOLID EVIDENCE to the table and you gotta respect it whether you agree or not.


Oh The Horror is a square 40 year old liberal weirdo who hasn't played basketball in years, if at all, what is your purpose here? Get off my jock, gramps!

Nice job projecting your closeted fantasies with that post, what kind of straight male would ever make that comment? You have issues beyond control, sorry!

[warriorfan]

meltdown

[Reggie43]

A few nitpicked screenshots, stats and years is what constitutes a good argument :oldlol:

As long as the current league is littered with 3rd tier bigs (as compared to the 80s 90s) it will always be inferior imo.

[IllegalD]

You are past your prime, why bother sticking around if you aren't going to make an effort?

Ten years spent getting angry over NBA basketball, what a life, I'd call that a waste of precious time if you ask me.

My username is better than yours, it's not about being taken serious on a forum that is populated by trolls and fanboys, I knew I would be tugging at the heartstrings of WEAK MINDED individuals like you and 3ball the second I thought of it, keep crying because I'm not done with my crusade here.

I'm bringing SOLID EVIDENCE to the table and you gotta respect it whether you agree or not.


Oh The Horror is a square 40 year old liberal weirdo who hasn't played basketball in years, if at all, what is your purpose here? Get off my jock, gramps!

Nice job projecting your closeted fantasies with that post, what kind of straight male would ever make that comment? You have issues beyond control, sorry!

Another meltdown by Simon the resident f*ggot.

40 year old men living rent free in your dome, baby boy.

WOT

A

TIME!!!

:banana: :lol

[diamenz]

it's a shame how op fails to recognize the substance and chess match of the eighties and nineties and instead just wants to bash an era he hasn't even educated himself properly on with a high school level argument.

[Straight_Ballin]

3ball beating the shit outta this kid. Somebody betta call the cops and have him arrested for child abuse.

Kid tried to put on his big boy pants and 3ball made him shit himself. :lol

There are flaws when trying to compare players across eras but one thing is certain.

Watching MJ dominate HIS competition has been greater than watching any player since him against THEIR competition.

I've watched MJ, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Curry......

If you didn't see MJ dominate then you missed out on what this sport has offered. They need to chalk it up as a loss and move on to something else in life because their viewership as a fan will always be inferior to that of a viewer in the 80's and 90's.

Everytime I see a weak ass post by one of these 20 year olds and their insecurity about not having watched 80's/90's ball I just picture that weak minded individual that I embarrass on a basketball court due to a better combination of knowledge /athleticism despite being older than them.

[jstern]

Here's what Steve Kerr has to say about Curry and the league then and now

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=158

[sportjames23]

Kid tried to put on his big boy pants and 3ball made him shit himself. :lol

There are flaws when trying to compare players across eras but one thing is certain.

Watching MJ dominate HIS competition has been greater than watching any player since him against THEIR competition.

I've watched MJ, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Curry......

If you didn't see MJ dominate then you missed out on what this sport has offered. They need to chalk it up as a loss and move on to something else in life because their viewership as a fan will always be inferior to that of a viewer in the 80's and 90's.

Everytime I see a weak ass post by one of these 20 year olds and their insecurity about not having watched 80's/90's ball I just picture that weak minded individual that I embarrass on a basketball court due to a better combination of knowledge /athleticism despite being older than them.


:cheers:

[Round Mound]

Here's what Steve Kerr has to say about Curry and the league then and now

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=158

:applause:

[Dray n Klay]

1-9

[oh the horror]

Here's what Steve Kerr has to say about Curry and the league then and now

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=158



And that's Kerr being nice about it. These kids really do not grasp just how much these wing players benefit from the changes in the league now.

[StephHamann]

Here's what Steve Kerr has to say about Curry and the league then and now

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=158

OP EXPOSED!

[CuterThanRubio]

Kid tried to put on his big boy pants and 3ball made him shit himself. :lol

There are flaws when trying to compare players across eras but one thing is certain.

Watching MJ dominate HIS competition has been greater than watching any player since him against THEIR competition.

I've watched MJ, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Curry......

If you didn't see MJ dominate then you missed out on what this sport has offered. They need to chalk it up as a loss and move on to something else in life because their viewership as a fan will always be inferior to that of a viewer in the 80's and 90's.

Everytime I see a weak ass post by one of these 20 year olds and their insecurity about not having watched 80's/90's ball I just picture that weak minded individual that I embarrass on a basketball court due to a better combination of knowledge /athleticism despite being older than them.

Nothing insecure about the truth!

I'm forced to dumb down my information for the masses, VISUAL EVIDENCE is the best learning tool, and I don't expect AGING and CREAKY Jordan fanboys to comprehend complex basketball ideologies in the first place!

Not to mention I would put your old ass to shame on the court in the real, and that isn't even my objective here because I know there are some great ballers who are way better than I am on the board but you aren't one of them, you ARMCHAIR SLOB!

http://imgur.com/kE7X2M6


Yeah, that's me, son, I know you will be in a state of disbelief, scrambling for some kind of excuse, but you CAN'T HANG!


It is also hilarious how mindfvcked IllegalD is! I'm not Simon, buddy! You are trapped in a vortex of paranoia, every new poster must be Simon! lol

Shout out to Simon, though, he's got you guys bamboozled

Fvck around and get POSTERIZED! (I'm too thick!)

:lebronamazed:

[Blue&Orange]

I have seen people argue that scoring is easier now, well if that was the case it seems safe to assume that there would be more players averaging high scoring totals, right?
this moron. :roll:

Comparing eras where actually there was good skilled basketball players to an era full of dumb athletes that can only jump high.

The best player of this era is a guy that can't do the most basic stuff of a basketball game, he can't shoot, he travels, he has no footwork, he chokes and have cramps when things get though. But he can run fast and jump high and use his stiff arm to push people away.

LeBrick, LEcrable, etc...


Hopefully Curry success will make teams and scouts look for basketball players instead of athletes and maybe then, NBA will allow defense again, because defense today is outlawed.

[Nash]

so in every other sport out there the performances and the game becomes better, yet basketball is the only game where it was better in the 80's and 90's?

GTFO

[Da_Realist]

this moron. :roll:

Comparing eras where actually there was good skilled basketball players to an era full of dumb athletes that can only jump high.

The best player of this era is a guy that can't do the most basic stuff of a basketball game, he can't shoot, he travels, he has no footwork, he chokes and have cramps when things get though. But he can run fast and jump high and use his stiff arm to push people away.

LeBrick, LEcrable, etc...


Hopefully Curry success will make teams and scouts look for basketball players instead of athletes and maybe then, NBA will allow defense again, because defense today is outlawed.

:applause:

[andgar923]

Here's what Steve Kerr has to say about Curry and the league then and now

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-vVIn7LoTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buIpDNzuyLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTAyByZnWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op04VjvcpBY

And that's not even 80s/90s physical style defense. Imagine being guarded by an elite defender?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsuurK4PVY&index=11&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFd1cpUuYuAwnwyF8Uqz90-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gJDBFgZf0&index=8&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFd1cpUuYuAwnwyF8Uqz90-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw&index=19&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s&index=23&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY

And those are just a few.

[90sgoat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-vVIn7LoTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buIpDNzuyLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTAyByZnWc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op04VjvcpBY

And that's not even 80s/90s physical style defense. Imagine being guarded by an elite defender?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsuurK4PVY&index=11&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFd1cpUuYuAwnwyF8Uqz90-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gJDBFgZf0&index=8&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFd1cpUuYuAwnwyF8Uqz90-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw&index=19&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s&index=23&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY

And those are just a few.

It's so obvious to me to see Gary Payton guarding someone, just how massive a difference there is in man to man defense ability between now and then.

I don't understand if people don't see it? Look at how close Payton is to his man, 'belly defense', glued to his man and very, very quick lateral movement, just like watching MJ or Dumars or any other great 90s defender.

Players today give their man waaay too much space. They have really bad instincts, if you face a guy like Lebron or Kyrie, who like to drive, you don't back off and allow them full steam. Nope! You go all the way up close, so close you can bump them with your belly, that's how Spurs contained Curry.

Most players today do everything wrong, they back off when they should get close, they swipe when they should shadow, they shadow when they should swipe (on gather). They try to block when they shouldn't.

It's not difficult to understand why, they spend most of the time with no-D travelling teams and high school basketball, where they face inferior opposition.

[diamenz]

man's era vs boy's era.

dwight howard is today's typical big man. nuff said.

[MiseryCityTexas]

http://s22.postimg.org/9j4xzhp0x/95_FINALS.jpg

Rockets purposely left the Orlando Magic open because Cassel, Clyde, and Jet Smith knew that the Magic were gonna choke in that Finals series.

[Showtime80']

Thank you diamenz!!!

In very few words you nailed the difference between eras, the 80's and early 90's was the last period when players came into the league with 2 to 4 years of NCAA experience, which is still the best minor league the NBA has to offer. They came into the league with highly developed games of sound fundamentals and basketball IQ as a to priority no different than the players from the 50's through 70's.

From the mid 90's onward the focus shifted to younger RAWER athletes with potential and thus everybody saw how the quality of play declined. No other sport altered their basic paradigm as much as the NBA did.

Today AAU and their flawed method of development reign supreme over the NCAA and any other minor league!

[ClipperRevival]

Thank you diamenz!!!

In very few words you nailed the difference between eras, the 80's and early 90's was the last period when players came into the league with 2 to 4 years of NCAA experience, which is still the best minor league the NBA has to offer. They came into the league with highly developed games of sound fundamentals and basketball IQ as a to priority no different than the players from the 50's through 70's.

From the mid 90's onward the focus shifted to younger RAWER athletes with potential and thus everybody saw how the quality of play declined. No other sport altered their basic paradigm as much as the NBA did.

Today AAU and their flawed method of development reign supreme over the NCAA and any other minor league!

The emphasis on the 3 is killing the game. The fundamental base isn't as good anymore for these kids because a lot of them just don't work on the fundamentals anymore. The game is becoming too specialized. Everyone wants to shoot the 3, from PG to C. This is not basketball at its purest sense but a gimmicky example of it. The game also should include the post game and mid-range game, both of which require sound footwork. Footwork is such a fundamental aspect of the game and you see guys with terrible footwork.

Give me 80's/90's bball any day of the week where you had to earn it. None of that flopping sh*t.

[CuterThanRubio]

No fundamentals they claim, no midrange they say lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGb6pQtVxh8

From LAST NIGHT.

Jordan fanboys who no longer watch or play basketball love making outrageous statements that are far from reality!

Yeah, bad teams might lack players skillful enough to properly execute, but when it comes to the best of the best there is no denying how much better things are.

Smothering defense in the video below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHKlCc0GNg

[ClipperRevival]

No fundamentals they claim, no midrange they say lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGb6pQtVxh8

From LAST NIGHT.

Jordan fanboys who no longer watch or play basketball love making outrageous statements that are far from reality!

Yeah, bad teams might lack players skillful enough to properly execute, but when it comes to the best of the best there is no denying how much better things are.

Smothering defense in the video below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHKlCc0GNg

Really man, you should calm down. Your ignorance shows the more you talk. Just stop. You think you can get by with your BS on a web site full of hard core bball fans, a lot of them who played for decades? Come on son. When you get older, you will learn. Right now, you are just trying to come across as knowing it all. That's the classic sign of an ignorant person: someone who claims to know it all. Because the expert realizes he has more to learn. You never watched the 80's/90's. Just because it was a couple of decades ago, you just ASSUME that the talent pool and skill level was weak. You think you can figure out an era by watching a few clips? Please man.

[CuterThanRubio]

Really man, you should calm down. Your ignorance shows the more you talk. Just stop. You think you can get by with your BS on a web site full of hard core bball fans, a lot of them who played for decades? Come on son. When you get older, you will learn. Right now, you are just trying to come across as knowing it all. That's the classic sign of an ignorant person: someone who claims to know it all. Because the expert realizes he has more to learn. You never watched the 80's/90's. Just because it was a couple of decades ago, you just ASSUME that the talent pool and skill level was weak. You think you can figure out an era by watching a few clips? Please man.

My posts aren't BS, and what do you mean "get by" lol, this is a message board, and this is the second thread I've ever made, and it is the second thread I've made with over 1,000 views, I must be doing something right.

If anything you should be celebrating my perspective, I'm here to spark discussion on a topic that hasn't been properly dissected until recently.

If you disagree, fine, I don't care, but I've done my research and I stand by my conclusion.

The talent pool WAS weaker in the past and you cannot deny that, for example, there were barely even any foreign players in the league during those times, but as years went on we discover that a top five scorer in NBA history is from a different country.

Also, you want to argue that I can't base my opinions on a "few clips", well there are only a "few clips" of worthwhile games from the 80s and 90s, and you definitely weren't keeping up with more than one or two teams back then if you are as old as you are trying to make yourself seem, stop it@!

[diamenz]

op, you sound like a fifth grader trying to push your point. people have their personal perspectives on eras, and you're not going to change them... especially with such an elementary argument.

'exposed', lol - give me a break. you should learn to appreciate our era as much as a lot of us have learned to appreciate yours. don't be another 3ball.

[Round Mound]

1983-1993: The GOAT Era of the NBA

[julizaver]

1983-1993: The GOAT Era of the NBA

Yes, it is the Golden Era.


Aside from what OP said the players in the 80s played 3-4 seasons in NCAA where they got the fundamentals of the game. In the early 90s we got a new hip hop wave of young atletic players, who comes only after 1-2 seasons (some of them right after school) - they got the benefits of the NBA globalization (thanks in large part to 80s stars), marketing and TVs, get his multimilion dollar contracts and stoped care about the game. Also the league was expanding (weaker teams), the stars from 80s became older, although some of them played at high level until they got nearly 40, or suffered career ending injuries.

Off course the game has evolved - nowadays we have the small ball play, the 3 pt shooting, starters playing limited minutes, more talking about team and efficiency (the GSW and Spurs are example for team playing), no hand checking, we have that ball movement, but somehow the game was more watchable back then. And why they punish players for trash talking ? You can't even stare at someone ? And we have star players who scored a ton of points but on 0.400 - 0.440 shooting.

[diamenz]

1983-1993: The GOAT Era of the NBA

no doubt.

[CuterThanRubio]

Bumping this thread since it is relevant to the recent discussion on the board.

Look at the screenshots in the OP

I rest my case!