LeBron's been the best player in at least 4 Finals...

[Dray n Klay]

Has Kobe even been the best performer in 1 Finals series? :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol, who was better in '09?

[Spurs m8]

But he hasn't....

He also had good stats last year but single handedly lost Cleveland the series.

Get a clue you brainwashed rookie

[Real14]

Just to remind tha retarded Op...

Kobe 5/7
Brone 2/6

[Dray n Klay]

Just to remind tha retarded Op...

Kobe 5/7
Brone 2/6

Knicks 2/8 with no wins in 40 years brah :oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

you misspelled empty stats

[HenryGarfunkle]

Has Kobe even been the best performer in 1 Finals series? :biggums:
Simply put and sad to say; but no.

[Dray n Klay]

Lol, who was better in '09?

Kobe was good in Game 1, but he was mediocre the other 4 games. He also had a bad Game 4.



Gasol was better on the Lakers (19/11 on 52%) and Dwight was better on the Magic.


Kobe was the 3rd best player in that series.

[Real14]

Knicks 2/8 with no wins in 40 years brah :oldlol:
Can't compare franchises with 1 player. Who's next?

[fiddy]

Knicks 2/8 with no wins in 40 years brah :oldlol:
5>2

[Real14]

5>2
Ether.

[Nilocon165]

Basketball is overrated

[JT123]

No, he has not. :(

[Lebronxrings]

no.

[sd3035]

I can see the argument for it

best player on the Mavs in 2011

lead the Warriors to victory last year :applause:

That's two at least

[Smoke117]

But he hasn't....

He also had good stats last year but single handedly lost Cleveland the series.

Get a clue you brainwashed rookie

If you seriously believe that you're an idiot...

[Real14]

If you seriously believe that you're an idiot...
Said by a supposed wade/heat fan.

[Gileraracer]

Has Kobe even been the best performer in 1 Finals series? :biggums:

Shooting 39% on a loosing makes you the best player in a finals series? Damn what a weak era :eek:

[Im Still Ballin]

Shooting 39% on a loosing makes you the best player in a finals series? Damn what a weak era :eek:
Hey Gil

How's the family

[aj1987]

Hey Gil

How's the family
Homeless, I'm assuming.

[feyki]

Lebron has 3 when it comes to " at least " . Durant played great too in 12 Finals .

Also , Kobe has 3 .

[SexSymbol]

LeBron has been the clear cut best performer in 12.
That's really it.

[pastis]

finals off-on data

2015 Warriors
+26.1 Iguodala
+21.1 Curry
+5.8 Green
-2.6 Thompson
-8.2 Barnes

2015 Cavaliers
+40.6 James
+7.9 Dellavedova
-4.0 Shumpert
-24.8 Smith
-34.5 Thompson

[aj1987]

LeBron has been the clear cut best performer in 12.
That's really it.
And Kobe hasn't been the clear cut best performer in ANY of his Finals.
That's really it.

[fiddy]

And Kobe hasn't been the clear cut best performer in ANY of his Finals.
That's really it.
You're an ignorant hating gypsy. That's really it.

P.S. 5>2

[aj1987]

I'm an ignorant hating gypsy. That's really it.

P.S. 2/6 > 2/7 and 4 >>>> 1
Agreed, gypsy. :cheers:

[Segatti]

It's insane how Lebron single-handed won 2 games against the Warriors, I still can't believe it. Put any other player in his place and it's an easy sweep.

[Segatti]

Lebron has 3 when it comes to " at least " . Durant played great too in 12 Finals .

Also , Kobe has 3 .

Durant played great, but Lebron outplayed him. And nobody outplayed Lebron in 2014 and 2015.

[Gileraracer]

Durant played great, but Lebron outplayed him. And nobody outplayed Lebron in 2014 and 2015.

:lol
:lol
:lol
:lol
:lol :lol :lol

He shot 39% on 33 FGAs. I'd say he single-handedly lost the series for the cavs cause no team will ever win with a guy shooting that much bricks every game

[riseagainst]

I can see the argument for it

best player on the Mavs in 2011

lead the Warriors to victory last year :applause:

That's two at least


:lol
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:

[riseagainst]

And Kobe hasn't been the clear cut best performer in ANY of his Finals.
That's really it.

uuuhhhhhh no.

08 and 09 at least.

[Dray n Klay]

uuuhhhhhh no.

08 and 09 at least.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Spurs m8]

Durant played great, but Lebron outplayed him. And nobody outplayed Lebron in 2014 and 2015.

Kawhi did, if you look at more than empty stats and watched the series.

2/6

Cheers

[TheMarkMadsen]

LOL @ anybody saying 2014

yeah the guy who had 2 all stars beside him and lead his team to the biggest finals series beat-down in NBA history was the best player in the series :oldlol: :oldlol:

gimme a break, watch basketball

not the box scores.

[Dray n Klay]

LOL @ anybody saying 2014

yeah the guy who had 2 all stars beside him and lead his team to the biggest finals series beat-down in NBA history was the best player in the series :oldlol: :oldlol:

gimme a break, watch basketball

not the box scores.

28/8/4 on 57% FG and 68% TS





You know what the sad thing is? That's probably better than any playoff series Kobe's ever had :oldlol:



Yet you still won't admit LeBron was the best player in that series.



I guess by that logic Kobe's never been the best player in a playoff series :yaohappy:




Wait, why am I comparing Kobe to LeBron? Kobe is only a Top 12 player in NBA History

[TheMarkMadsen]

2014 finals was the biggest beat-down in Finals history. It was the biggest ppg differential in NBA finals history.

So there you go.


Prime Lebron with 2 all stars by his side led his team to the biggest series loss in NBA finals history :roll: :roll:




http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/san-antonio-spurs-2014-nba-championship-amazing-stats-facts


prime Lebron led his team to the worst finals series loss in NBA history

[Dray n Klay]

Prime Lebron with 2 all stars by his side led his team to the biggest series loss in NBA finals history :roll: :roll:




Mr. Melt back at it again :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


You keep saying 2 allstars, yet those 2 all stars couldn't even make the playoffs without LeBron, even when adding Whiteside, Deng, Dragic etc :lol






Just stop it, LeBron was carrying a lottery team and you know it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

look at him trying to deflect :oldlol: :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the worst finals series loss in NBA history

needed more air conditioning

[Dray n Klay]

Prime Kobe led Prime Dwight Howard, Gasol and Nash to the lottery


See, anyone can do your 3rd grade level trolling :oldlol:








Kobe getting ranked 12th must have really gotten to you

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lakers made the playoffs in 2013 with Kobe, Pau, Nash and Howard

then Kobe got hurt and missed the playoffs which resulted in the worst series loss in Lakers history

way to ether yourself :oldlol: :oldlol:

oh and by the way








Prime Lebron led his team to the worst finals series loss in NBA history

[Dray n Klay]

Nope, Lakers only clinched the playoffs once Kobe was injured, nice way of trying to dodge the subject.


Once the cancer finally got injured, Gasol and Dwight were able to take the Lakers to the playoffs, too bad they didn't have enough time to gel, or they could've gone further





Losing in 5 games in the Finals >>> Getting swept with a superteam in the 1st round

[FreezingTsmoove]

Lebron

4 straight losses in 07 finals
3 straight losses in 11 finals
3 straight losses in 14 finals
3 straight losses in 15 finals

Career 5/16 record against the Spurs in the finals

Career 2/6 in the finals

[TheMarkMadsen]

13 Lakers without Kobe got the worst beat-down in Lakers playoff history

how in the world you think that helps whatever argument you're trying to make is absolutly hilarious :roll: :roll:

by the way isn't this thread about Lebron and the finals? lets stay on topic, no?

on topic = prime Lebron in 2014 led his team to the worst finals series loss in NBA history

thread backfire

[GrapeApe]

Mr. Melt back at it again :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


You keep saying 2 allstars, yet those 2 all stars couldn't even make the playoffs without LeBron, even when adding Whiteside, Deng, Dragic etc :lol






Just stop it, LeBron was carrying a lottery team and you know it.

Um, the Heat are currently a top 4 seed and might win 50 games.

Last season their core unit played like 8 games together. By mid season, half of their rotation wasn't even in the NBA the season before.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Um, the Heat are currently a top 4 seed and might win 50 games.

Last season their core unit played like 8 games together. By mid season, half of their rotation wasn't even in the NBA the season before.


by the end of last season the Heat were so injury riddled that they were STARTING, not just playing, but STARTING Bill Walker :oldlol: :oldlol:

[feyki]

Durant played great, but Lebron outplayed him. And nobody outplayed Lebron in 2014 and 2015.

I'm not sure on that . If you don't who is who and you also don't know who won , You could pick Durant over Lebron in that series .

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ anybody saying 2014

yeah the guy who had 2 all stars beside him and lead his team to the biggest finals series beat-down in NBA history was the best player in the series :oldlol: :oldlol:

gimme a break, watch basketball

not the box scores.
Since you watched it, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Since you watched it, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series?


Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in finals series history.

[Hey Yo]

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in finals series history.
Since you watched it, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series?

[bigkingsfan]

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in finals series history.
Prime Kobe missed the playoffs entirely.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Since you watched it, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series?


Do you really think this is helping you :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals history

He played with two players who were good enough to be selected to the all star team. If he can't maximize their talents then that's his problem. He had two of the best player in his conference beside him and still got blown the hell out of the water in historic fashion in the finals

Reminder: prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history

:oldlol:

[sd3035]

Do you really think this is helping you :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals history

He played with two players who were good enough to be selected to the all star team. If he can't maximize their talents then that's his problem. He had two of the best player in his conference beside him and still got blown the hell out of the water in historic fashion in the finals

Reminder: prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history

:oldlol:


That's probably as bad or worse than his chokes against Dallas and Golden State :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

If Lebron had the "GOAT impact" that all of his stans claim then how in the ****ing world did he lead his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history.. in his prime..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

If Lebron had the "GOAT impact" that all of his stans claim then how in the ****ing world did he lead his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history.. in his prime..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

This is a very good and valid question tbh

[Showtime2001]

If Lebron had the "GOAT impact" that all of his stans claim then how in the ****ing world did he lead his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history.. in his prime..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Simple he choked.

[sd3035]

If Lebron had the "GOAT impact" that all of his stans claim then how in the ****ing world did he lead his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history.. in his prime..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

with a team full of all stars

[sd3035]

If Lebron had the "GOAT impact" that all of his stans claim then how in the ****ing world did he lead his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history.. in his prime..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


Another good question is how did he shoot 39% against single coverage while being allowed to travel and push off on every drive?

[Hey Yo]

Do you really think this is helping you :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals history

He played with two players who were good enough to be selected to the all star team. If he can't maximize their talents then that's his problem. He had two of the best player in his conference beside him and still got blown the hell out of the water in historic fashion in the finals

Reminder: prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history

:oldlol:
Of course it is

I'm not the dummy who thinks that being selected to an AS team for how you played for half the season..... means said player will play like that in the postseason/Finals.

Not surprised though that's your naive way of thinking.

[sammichoffate]

For OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

[TheMarkMadsen]

Of course it is

I'm not the dummy who thinks that being selected to an AS team for how you played for half the season..... means said player will play like that in the postseason/Finals.

Not surprised though that's your naive way of thinking.


yes, but you are the dummy who thought that the finals don't count as being part of the playoffs because its called "the finals" and not the "playoffs"

Then I asked you why the call they second round, the "second round" if its part of the playoffs and you told me it was because they were letting you know which round it was.. then I told you that is why they call the finals, the "finals" because its the final round of the playoffs, and you never responded.

So I kind of think you're dumb as **** sometimes which is why I understand how you don't see why this isn't helping your cause.

Oh and by the way.



Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals series history

[Magic 32]

http://s27.postimg.org/u3wh9ie1u/sadasdas.jpg

[Hey Yo]

yes, but you are the dummy who thought that the finals don't count as being part of the playoffs because its called "the finals" and not the "playoffs"

Then I asked you why the call they second round, the "second round" if its part of the playoffs and you told me it was because they were letting you know which round it was.. then I told you that is why they call the finals, the "finals" because its the final round of the playoffs, and you never responded.

So I kind of think you're dumb as **** sometimes which is why I understand how you don't see why this isn't helping your cause.

Oh and by the way.



Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals series history
pffff...I know I'm right about that.

now quit deflecting

Since you watched the 2014 Finals, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series???

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you really think this is helping you :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals history

He played with two players who were good enough to be selected to the all star team. If he can't maximize their talents then that's his problem. He had two of the best player in his conference beside him and still got blown the hell out of the water in historic fashion in the finals

Reminder: prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history

:oldlol:

This is disingenuous. Nobody who watched that series would say that Wade or Bosh played close to an all-star level in the '14 Finals. They, along with the entire Heat team were abysmal. You want to criticize LeBron for getting blown out, fine, but acting like his team wasn't trash is simply inaccurate

[guy]

He's also had the worst, possibly the 2 worst, Finals performances from a superstar of his caliber of all-time.

[SouBeachTalents]

He's also had the worst, possibly the 2 worst, Finals performances from a superstar of his caliber of all-time.

Both LeBron & Kobe have had their share of bad Finals performances. Probably more so than any player in the top 10 outside of Wilt (in b4 Laz). Bird's had a couple underwhelming Finals as well

[Magic 32]

Both LeBron & Kobe have had their share of bad Finals performances. Probably more so than any player in the top 10 outside of Wilt (in b4 Laz). Bird's had a couple underwhelming Finals as well

Duncan has had 2 pedestrian finals series (Pistons/Cavs) and I would argue that the Pistons series was worse than underwhelming.

In fact game 3 and 4 might be in the running for the worst back-to-back finals games by any all-time great.

And game 5 and 7 were sneaky dreadful as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan has had 2 pedestrian finals series (Pistons/Cavs) and I would argue that the Pistons series was worse than underwhelming.

In fact game 3 and 4 might be in the running for the worst back-to-back finals games by any all-time great.

And game 5 and 7 were sneaky dreadful as well.

Every all time great has had mediocre Finals, Duncan's no different. While he was underwhelming in '05 & '07, he had an all time great Finals in '03, was great in '99, and played well in '13 & '14. Overall he's definitely been a good Finals performer

[TheMarkMadsen]

This is disingenuous. Nobody who watched that series would say that Wade or Bosh played close to an all-star level in the '14 Finals. They, along with the entire Heat team were abysmal. You want to criticize LeBron for getting blown out, fine, but acting like his team wasn't trash is simply inaccurate

acting like the 2014 HEAT were "trash" outside of Lebron


:lol :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

acting like the 2014 HEAT were "trash" outside of Lebron


:lol :lol

In the Finals, absolutely. Not sure how anyone could dispute that

[TheMarkMadsen]

In the Finals, absolutely. Not sure how anyone could dispute that


I guess they took Lebron's "follow my lead" speech a little too literally

[TheMarkMadsen]

pffff...I know I'm right about that.

now quit deflecting

Since you watched the 2014 Finals, you're saying that Wade and Bosh played like all-stars that series???

So when his teammates play bad it's "they are trash he has no help"

but we are always told that Lebron makes his teammates better, can carry a team etc.

yet here we are facing this fact that..

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in nba finals history

[Magic 32]

Every all time great has had mediocre Finals, Duncan's no different. While he was underwhelming in '05 & '07, he had an all time great Finals in '03, was great in '99, and played well in '13 & '14. Overall he's definitely been a good Finals performer

Well his role in 14 was limited (at least compared to most of the other series in this discussion).

And it must be pointed out that he has faced 3 of the worst finals teams in history (Knicks/Nets/Cavs).

[Showtime2001]

In the Finals, absolutely. Not sure how anyone could dispute that
By no means were they "trash" they just lost to the better team.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well his role in 14 was limited (at least compared to most of the other series in this discussion).

And it must be pointed out that he has faced 3 of the worst finals teams in history (Knicks/Nets/Cavs).

In fact 2013 was the closest Duncan came to being great against a great team in the finals.


The Spurs in 99 had to face a juggernaut of a team


the 8th seeded Knicks with no Ewing :lol :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

By no means were they "trash" they just lost to the better team.

yeah of course 14 points on 63% TS from your third option is "trash" but 18 points from your 2nd option on 55% TS = FMVP

[Showtime2001]

yeah of course 14 points on 63% TS from your third option is "trash" but 18 points from your 2nd option on 55% TS = FMVP
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah of course 14 points on 63% TS from your third option is "trash" but 18 points from your 2nd option on 55% TS = FMVP

Doesn't say much for Bosh if you think 14 & 5 in the Finals from a HOF in their prime is anything but mediocre

[Magic 32]

I made this list in 2015 about the FMVP's since Jordan, and how no superstar has had a truly great series against a truly great team in the finals since he retired (outside of Wade in 2006).

Not-very-special FMVP's since 1998.

Chauncey Billups 2004
Tim Duncan 2005
Tony Parker 2007
Paul Pierce 2008
Kobe Bryant 2010
Dirk Nowitzki 2011
Lebron James 2013
Kawhi Leonard 2014
Andre Iguodala 2015

Special FMVP's since 1998, but against weak opponents

1999 Tim Duncan
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq
2003 Tim Duncan
2009 Kobe Bryant
2012 Lebron James

Call it MJ's long shadow.

[Dray n Klay]

I made this list in 2015 about the FMVP's since Jordan, and how no superstar has had a truly great series against a truly great team in the finals since he retired (outside of Wade in 2006).

Not-very-special FMVP's since 1998.

Chauncey Billups 2004
Tim Duncan 2005
Tony Parker 2007
Paul Pierce 2008
Kobe Bryant 2010
Dirk Nowitzki 2011
Lebron James 2013
Kawhi Leonard 2014
Andre Iguodala 2015

Special FMVP's since 1998, but against weak opponents

1999 Tim Duncan
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq
2003 Tim Duncan
2009 Kobe Bryant
2012 Lebron James

Call it MJ's long shadow.


LeBron in 2013 had a better overall finals (25/11/7) and a better individual performance (Game 7), than any finals Kobe has ever had, but it's 'not special'? :oldlol:


Funny how LeBrons mediocre performances are still better than Kobe's best

[Showtime2001]

LeBron in 2013 had a better overall finals (25/11/7) and a better individual performance (Game 7), than any finals Kobe has ever had, but it's 'not special'? :oldlol:


Funny how LeBrons mediocre performances are still better than Kobe's best
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/2011-nba-final-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks-lebron-james.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/deynp15qi/pmktz_FF.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/2011-nba-final-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks-lebron-james.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/deynp15qi/pmktz_FF.jpg

He was better in that series than 2000, 2004 Kobe. #rekt

[TheMarkMadsen]

As a Lebron fan you know when your go to argument is "a prime Lebron was better than 3rd year Kobe.."

you're holdin that L

[Showtime2001]

He was better in that series than 2000, 2004 Kobe. #rekt
LeBron in 11' wasnt better than Kobe in 01', 02', 09', or 10'.

He also never got outplayed by a bench player or let guys guarding him win FMVP.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO06BWTUkAMeEXG.jpg

[Hey Yo]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/2011-nba-final-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks-lebron-james.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/deynp15qi/pmktz_FF.jpg
Looks like Wade and Bibby didn't play good D on Terry...:confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

LeBron in 2013 had a better overall finals (25/11/7) and a better individual performance (Game 7), than any finals Kobe has ever had


LeBron struggled the first 3 games of the series, then played well in game 4 and 7 but still struggled in game 5 and for most of game 6.

Kobe 2009 > Lebron 2013

In terms of individuel games (not the subject in this thread but I get your desperation), game 1 against the Magic was one of the most dominant 3-quarter performances in NBA finals history (36/7/7/52 FG% in the first 29 minutes of the game). The kind of blowout win that Lebron never came close to against the the Magic in the 2009 ECF (his best series ever).

In 2013, Lebron was left wide open the entire series and finally made some 3's in G7.

[GrapeApe]

Looks like Wade and Bibby didn't play good D on Terry...:confusedshrug:

Huh? That graphic has nothing to do with Jason Terry.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Looks like Wade and Bibby didn't play good D on Terry...:confusedshrug:


http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/05/110905062930416927.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Looks like Wade and Bibby didn't play good D on Terry...:confusedshrug:

:biggums: Did you watch the series? LeBron was guarding Terry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U

[Hey Yo]

Huh? That graphic has nothing to do with Jason Terry.
you not seeing the graphic pointing to Terry's PPG and James' PPG for the series?

LeBron's main defensive assignment was to guard Terry? Who took the 2nd most FGA for Dallas.

[Hey Yo]

:biggums: Did you watch the series? LeBron was guarding Terry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U
:oldlol:

I didn't imply that he never guarded him, but showing me LeBron missing on one end and Terry getting the outlet at half court and ends up scoring, is a missed assignment or LeBron's fault that Terry scored??

:roll:

:coleman:

[Hey Yo]

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/05/110905062930416927.gif
yeah......that was bad D cause Terry made the contested 3 :rolleyes:


:cletus: derp...derp

[Dray n Klay]

yeah......that was bad D cause Terry made the contested 3 :rolleyes:


:cletus: derp...derp

He's just salty that Mavs team swept Kobe in the same season, and Kobe was far worse than LeBron against those Mavs. :oldlol:





Only difference is LeBron is a Top 3 Player therefore his expectations are greater than a Top 12 player in Kobe

[Hey Yo]

I made this list in 2015 about the FMVP's since Jordan, and how no superstar has had a truly great series against a truly great team in the finals since he retired (outside of Wade in 2006).

Not-very-special FMVP's since 1998.

Chauncey Billups 2004
Tim Duncan 2005
Tony Parker 2007
Paul Pierce 2008
Kobe Bryant 2010
Dirk Nowitzki 2011
Lebron James 2013
Kawhi Leonard 2014
Andre Iguodala 2015

Special FMVP's since 1998, but against weak opponents

1999 Tim Duncan
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq
2003 Tim Duncan
2009 Kobe Bryant
2012 Lebron James

Call it MJ's long shadow.
The Thunder were the favorites going into that series.

[Magic 32]

The Thunder were the favorites going into that series.

Only because the Heat and Lebron had struggled against teams they should have beaten easely.

Durant, Westbrook and Harden were babies in 2012. Maybe the most inexperienced team ever in the finals (at least there were some veterans on the 2007 Cavs).

[Dray n Klay]

The Thunder were the favorites going into that series.

Shhh.. let him continue with his Kobe agenda

"Kobe only won FMVP against weak competition, or was undeserving of it, so let me try and spin this against LeBron"


LeBrons 2012 and 2013 FMVPs were both dominant and against strong competition. He won in 2012 without HCA, proving it wasnt weak competition.

In 2013 he had a better playoff series than Kobe ever had.

[Magic 32]

He won in 2012 without HCA, proving it wasnt weak competition.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[GrapeApe]

you not seeing the graphic pointing to Terry's PPG and James' PPG for the series?

LeBron's main defensive assignment was to guard Terry? Who took the 2nd most FGA for Dallas.

No, apparently it didn't load for me. I only saw the one about Lebron's 4th quarter numbers.

I don't blame Lebron for Terry going off btw. He just go hot and made some tough shots. Lebron's 2011 finals woes has been discussed ad nauseum though so there's no point in getting into it again.

As for the thread topic, Lebron was the best player in 2012, 2013, and if we're being honest 2015 as well. The depleted Cavs had no business winning 2 games in that series.

[TheMarkMadsen]

yeah......that was bad D cause Terry made the contested 3 :rolleyes:


:cletus: derp...derp


here's an entire video of terrible defense played by Lebron against Jason Terry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U

[TheMarkMadsen]

yo why does Lebron have so many youtube videos dedicated to his shitty defense in the finals

2011 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U

2013 ECF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyenVa47h8

2014 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo


:roll: :roll:

[Straight_Ballin]

yo why does Lebron have so many youtube videos dedicated to his shitty defense in the finals

2011 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U

2013 ECF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyenVa47h8

2014 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo


:roll: :roll:

His defense is shit and people wonder why he's 2/6. :facepalm

[Wade's Rings]

yo why does Lebron have so many youtube videos dedicated to his shitty defense in the finals

2011 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtuQIJ1F1U

2013 ECF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyenVa47h8

2014 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 finals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo


:roll: :roll:

That's the homie. He's also uploaded videos on Wade's defense so the "Wade's not a good Man defender" talk can get thrown out the window.

[Dray n Klay]

That's the homie. He's also uploaded videos on Wade's defense so the "Wade's not a good Man defender" talk can get thrown out the window.

But Wade is NOT a good Man defender, never has been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OlQ4AP18k

[Wade's Rings]

I made this list in 2015 about the FMVP's since Jordan, and how no superstar has had a truly great series against a truly great team in the finals since he retired (outside of Wade in 2006).

Not-very-special FMVP's since 1998.

Chauncey Billups 2004
Tim Duncan 2005
Tony Parker 2007
Paul Pierce 2008
Kobe Bryant 2010
Dirk Nowitzki 2011
Lebron James 2013
Kawhi Leonard 2014
Andre Iguodala 2015

Special FMVP's since 1998, but against weak opponents

1999 Tim Duncan
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq
2003 Tim Duncan
2009 Kobe Bryant
2012 Lebron James

Call it MJ's long shadow.

:applause:

[Wade's Rings]

But Wade is NOT a good Man defender, never has been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OlQ4AP18k

:oldlol:

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFQ00GVn7kObU_DFmsvF-By

[ballinhun8]

The Thunder were the favorites going into that series.


Nope. Wrong.


Heat were the favorite in that matchup.

[GrapeApe]

But Wade is NOT a good Man defender, never has been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OlQ4AP18k

Yeah, that one video is proof that Wade was never a good man defender. :rolleyes:

Wade was a very good man defender, not elite, but very good. Great length, strength, quickness, and recovery speed. He was also one of the most clutch defensive guards in history. Throughout his career he made more big defensive plays down the stretch of games than any guard but Jordan.

[aj1987]

Do you really think this is helping you :oldlol:

Prime Lebron led his team to the biggest beat-down in NBA finals history

He played with two players who were good enough to be selected to the all star team. If he can't maximize their talents then that's his problem. He had two of the best player in his conference beside him and still got blown the hell out of the water in historic fashion in the finals

Reminder: prime Lebron led his team to the biggest loss in NBA finals series history

:oldlol:
You're basically admitting that you haven't watched the '14 Finals. Not surprising, considering the fact that you're a Chuckbe stan.

[guy]

Both LeBron & Kobe have had their share of bad Finals performances. Probably more so than any player in the top 10 outside of Wilt (in b4 Laz). Bird's had a couple underwhelming Finals as well

Definitely. For the number of Finals they've been in and their reputation, there overall Finals performance is quite disappointing.

[Wade's Rings]

Definitely. For the number of Finals they've been in and their reputation, there overall Finals performance is quite disappointing.

Jordan has never really had a bad finals :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

Jordan has never really had a bad finals :bowdown:


that's why he's the GOAT playoffs and finals performer, and consequently, the GOAT.