FBI has hacked into the San Bernardino shooter's phone without Apple's help

[ArbitraryWater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceq9gt_W4AA_pAA.jpg

dis gon be good

[fiddy]

So? It was only matter of time.

[bdreason]

They should leak how they did it just to fukk with Apple. :oldlol:

[fiddy]

They should leak how they did it just to fukk with Apple. :oldlol:
You think there arent crackers who havent already done it?

[Funktion]

Probably did it years ago before they even asked.

[ArbitraryWater]

You think there arent crackers who havent already done it?

the attention it would get is way different, brie

but they wouldnt just fukk with Apple so ehh (as in, other people could be damaged bcuz of it)

[fiddy]

the attention it would get is way different, brie

but they wouldnt just fukk with Apple so ehh (as in, other people could be damaged bcuz of it)
Because the FBI is desperate to get sued by Apple and apple users for billions :rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

"Without apples help"


:rolleyes:

[falc39]

Probably did it years ago before they even asked.

Exactly. They prob had this option in their back pocket all along. They got greedy and tried to establish a precedent to get a backdoor from Apple. Glad Apple didn't fall for it. Now Apple will just beef up their security even more :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Exactly. They prob had this option in their back pocket all along. They got greedy and tried to establish a precedent to get a backdoor from Apple. Glad Apple didn't fall for it. Now Apple will just beef up their security even more :oldlol:
You don't actually think that Apple didn't open the phone do you? Tell me you didn't actually buy that "we're not going to open this phone" act. Clearly for show. Obviously a deal was struck for apple to open the phone but then pretend they didn't publicly.

[navy]

You don't actually think that Apple didn't open the phone do you? Tell me you didn't actually buy that "we're not going to open this phone" act. Clearly for show. Obviously a deal was struck for apple to open the phone but then pretend they didn't publicly.
My thoughts exactly.

Way too much a deal was made out of this for me to not be the tiny bit suspcious Apple was looking for good will.

[falc39]

You don't actually think that Apple didn't open the phone do you? Tell me you didn't actually buy that "we're not going to open this phone" act. Clearly for show. Obviously a deal was struck for apple to open the phone but then pretend they didn't publicly.

It's possible. But knowing how so many tech people here are hardcore libertarian types, I can't imagine it being kept secret for long. At some point someone will leak it and it will be exposed.

[CavaliersFTW]

Hold this W, FBI

**** appLe.

[warriorfan]

they should hack into that fu ccs phone

he murdered tons of people he lost his rights to privacy

what they need to do is make sure the legislaters dont let a slippery slope happen and the power gets abused

if the FBI is cracking everyone's phone over minor shit then that is a problem

if someone murdered dozens of people and they are trying to get some information about it then that should be free game


so the fact that apple may let the FBI into the phone is not the issue, it's making sure the power gets used appropriately

[Akrazotile]

You don't actually think that Apple didn't open the phone do you? Tell me you didn't actually buy that "we're not going to open this phone" act. Clearly for show. Obviously a deal was struck for apple to open the phone but then pretend they didn't publicly.


That's pretty risky to make a huge public showing of their refusal to open it. Then to secretly cut a quiet deal to do so? If that got out it would be a nightmare.


Also, I was in fact with Apple on this. I don't see how they'd be legally obligated to do this, and it's their prerogative as a business how they want to balance customer privacy vs helping federal officials. I would have had no problem if they'd elected to open the phone, but if they had their reasons to hold their ground I feel that's their right.

If it turns out they're outright lying about this, then I'd have a problem.

[poido123]

I'm sorry, but if it relates to terrorism then privacy goes out the window.


I don't think Apple has any right to deny the FBI to do their job.

[bigkingsfan]

His pin was 1111

[falc39]

It's possible. But knowing how so many tech people here are hardcore libertarian types, I can't imagine it being kept secret for long. At some point someone will leak it and it will be exposed.

Well, looks like someone is saying something:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemorgan/2016/03/30/john-mcafee-fbi-knew-all-along-they-could-unlock-an-iphone-with-cellebrites-ufed-touch/#2531039d2608


Cybersecurity legend and Libertarian candidate John McAfee says the FBI unlocked the San Bernardino iPhone using a device that the FBI had in their possession since 2013.

According to McAfee, the FBI signed a sole source contract with Cellebrite in the Summer of 2013 to provide forensic devices for analyses of smart phones and mobile devices.

The device used is called the UFED Touch.

Why would the FBI bother to get caught up in a battle with Apple if they already had a solution to unlock the iPhone? McAfee says the FBI was less interested in Apple than it was in precedent. If it won against Apple, then it could go to Google and get a master key into Android — which has 91% of the world market. A software master key — which costs nothing, can be given to every agent in the DOJ for free. The Cellebrite devices costs thousands of dollars per unit — way above the DOJ budget for everyday use.

McAfee told several media outlets over the past two weeks that he knows who is helping the FBI to hack into the San Bernadino iPhone — but he would not reveal it was Cellebrite until today. When asked how he knew about Cellebrite’s agreement with the FBI, McAfee declined to give his sources.

It's also in agreement with what Snowden said earlier, when he called on the FBI's bluff.


“The FBI says Apple has the ‘exclusive technical means’” to unlock the phone, Snowden said during a discussion at Common Cause’s Blueprint for Democracy conference.

“Respectfully, that’s bullshit,” he said, over a video link from Moscow.

[UK2K]

You don't actually think that Apple didn't open the phone do you? Tell me you didn't actually buy that "we're not going to open this phone" act. Clearly for show. Obviously a deal was struck for apple to open the phone but then pretend they didn't publicly.
Nah, the government just didn't want to do the work.

Put the guts of the shooters phone into a new phone with the pass code attempt lock feature turned off.

Then just guess and check until you get it right.

Plenty of examples online on how to do it.

[falc39]

If what McAfee says turns out to be true, I wonder how the FBI can't be held to contempt by being the disingenuous liars that they are. They lied to the court, Apple, and the public and their whole argument turned out to be a sham. It was them being greedy and trying to establish a precedent and it showed. You want to know why no one trusts the government anymore? It's because of maneuvers like this where it becomes modus operandi to lie to the public in order to justify more power. All that "it's just one phone" bullshit, what a joke.

[DeuceWallaces]

If what McAfee says turns out to be true, I wonder how the FBI can't be held to contempt by being the disingenuous liars that they are. They lied to the court, Apple, and the public and their whole argument turned out to be a sham. It was them being greedy and trying to establish a precedent and it showed. You want to know why no one trusts the government anymore? It's because of maneuvers like this where it becomes modus operandi to lie to the public in order to justify more power. All that "it's just one phone" bullshit, what a joke.

Yeah. Pretty shady. They probably had that shit unlocked in less than a week, and someone had the bright idea of setting a judicial precedent to protect them against future, more difficult, security measures.

[LJJ]

McAfee is a crackpot drug addict who hasn't done anything noteworthy since the 80s.

http://s28.postimg.org/ve8zqgnhp/main_qimg_664579a77683ae9e63714129241384d4_conve.j pg

Don't take what he says so seriously.

[fiddy]

McAfee is a crackpot drug addict who hasn't done anything noteworthy since the 80s.

http://s28.postimg.org/ve8zqgnhp/main_qimg_664579a77683ae9e63714129241384d4_conve.j pg

Don't take what he says so seriously.
While agree with your opinion on McAfee, Cellebrite seems to be a registered government contractor with the U.S. system for award management

also their u.s. and german based subsidiaries seems to have been awarded various government contracts, dont have the time to dig any further
https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/search.do?indexName=awardfull&templateName=1.4.4&s=FPDSNG.COM&q=Cellebrite

[LJJ]

While agree with your opinion on McAfee, Cellebrite seems to be a registered government contractor with the U.S. system for award management

also their u.s. and german based subsidiaries seems to have been awarded various government contracts, dont have the time to dig any further
https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/search.do?indexName=awardfull&templateName=1.4.4&s=FPDSNG.COM&q=Cellebrite

Yeah but they've been in the picture long before McAfee started repeating news stories.

I just find it funny to see people going "Look what this guy who ran an anti-virus company 30+ years ago and has done nothing but coke since has to say about the inner workings of the FBI", like McAfee is relevant in any way.

[falc39]

Yeah but they've been in the picture long before McAfee started repeating news stories.

I just find it funny to see people going "Look what this guy who ran an anti-virus company 30+ years ago and has done nothing but coke since has to say about the inner workings of the FBI", like McAfee is relevant in any way.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't like McAfee for his life decisions or other reasons, but what McAfee is saying is not much different than what other cybersecurity experts are saying, even the former "cybersecurity czar":

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/14/470347719/encryption-and-privacy-are-larger-issues-than-fighting-terrorism-clarke-says


GREENE: So if you were still inside the government right now as a counterterrorism official, could you have seen yourself being more sympathetic with the FBI in doing everything for you that it can to crack this case?

CLARKE: No, David. If I were in the job now, I would have simply told the FBI to call Fort Meade, the headquarters of the National Security Agency, and NSA would have solved this problem for them. They're not as interested in solving the problem as they are in getting a legal precedent.

GREENE: Wow, that sounds like quite a charge. You're suggesting they could have just gone to the NSA to crack this iPhone but they're presenting this case because they want to set a precedent to be able to do it in the future?

CLARKE: Every expert I know believes that NSA could crack this phone. They want the precedent that the government can compel a computer device manufacturer to allow the government in.

They all called bullshit on the FBI, saying it's about legal precedent rather than Apple being the only one capable. If McAfee was just spouting generalized nonsense it would show, but he even identifies the firm, contract type, all the way down to the actual device.

[UK2K]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't like McAfee for his life decisions or other reasons, but what McAfee is saying is not much different than what other cybersecurity experts are saying, even the former "cybersecurity czar":

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/14/470347719/encryption-and-privacy-are-larger-issues-than-fighting-terrorism-clarke-says



They all called bullshit on the FBI, saying it's about legal precedent rather than Apple being the only one capable. If McAfee was just spouting generalized nonsense it would show, but he even identifies the firm, contract type, all the way down to the actual device.

Without a doubt. You mean to tell me there are people who believe that Apple's phone is so secure, there was no way to get into it, ever? Even if it was the mother ****ing US government trying?

Please. It was never about getting in, it was about setting precedent.

[LJJ]

If McAfee was just spouting generalized nonsense it would show, but he even identifies the firm, contract type, all the way down to the actual device.

This firm offering their services to the FBI was already in the news a week before McAfee started talking about them. So yeah, big deal he's mentioning the firm that has been widely reported on and has helped the FBI before.

McAfee is just repeating shit he read online, he's not an insider in any way, shape or form. I just find it funny you put him forward and bold his name as if anything he says means anything. Sure there are other guys saying what McAfee says, where do you think he got it? He's just a coke head reading conspiracy theories online, might as well quote Dooms.

[ace23]

I don't think it'd be that hard to do without Apple's help. Wouldn't be surprised if they were lying, but they're probably not.

[andgar923]

Apple has NOT been uncooperative with the FBI. Apple has actually assisted in some cases in the past.

What the FBI wants, is what has been coined as 'govOS' which is basically a software key for the government. It allows them to do anything and everything at their own will, and THAT is what Apple was against. They attempted to bully Apple into developing a master key for them but Apple refused.

If we know anything about our security agencies, is that they will use it for other purposes outside of legit investigative reasons. So imagine if Apple did concede and develop the 'govOS'. Your privacy (or what little there is left) will be completely gone (well... at least for the millions of iOS users that is).

Which is why most of the tech community (Google, Facebook, Twitter, MS, etc.etc) backed Apple.

[falc39]

This firm offering their services to the FBI was already in the news a week before McAfee started talking about them. So yeah, big deal he's mentioning the firm that has been widely reported on and has helped the FBI before.

McAfee is just repeating shit he read online, he's not an insider in any way, shape or form. I just find it funny you put him forward and bold his name as if anything he says means anything. Sure there are other guys saying what McAfee says, where do you think he got it? He's just a coke head reading conspiracy theories online, might as well quote Dooms.

We get it, you hate McAfee for whatever reason lol. I posted his stuff because that's what Google news gave me first. Apparently what McAfee says still means enough to regularly find articles of it online and he is a regular on a lot of news interviews.