In 40 seconds, LeBron James shows why he is the Most Versatile basketball player..

[Im Still Ballin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ndgJq9bjA

REAL MEN OF GENIUS

[Akrazotile]

BIG Bron Juan :bowdown:

[knicksman]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran

[Nilocon165]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_jRQBGKPaA

[Mr. Jabbar]

ray allen, bang! :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

ray allen, bang! :lol
:roll:

That avy

[Chokefree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ndgJq9bjA

REAL MEN OF GENIUS
If 40 seconds you show why your bitch of these forums and have no use

[Lebronxrings]

If 40 seconds you show why your bitch of these forums and have no use
medium fries please

[Smoke117]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran

You really are an idiot...your whole nonsense about how defense isn't important if you are a star...nor is an all around game either apparently. God you're ****ing stupid...

[bdreason]

Damn looking like DrayGod out there. :bowdown:

[knicksman]

You really are an idiot...your whole nonsense about how defense isn't important if you are a star...nor is an all around game either apparently. God you're ****ing stupid...


All around only matters if the 2 are comparable scorers. If you played ball bro , youll realized that scoring is the most difficult instead of scoring=passing=defense like most bran stans think. Thats why you guys are wrong regarding bran coz you guys are just statnerds. Kobe is the better scorer thats why hes better same with curry/dirk. Ill build around those guys before bran

[Nilocon165]

All around only matters if the 2 are comparable scorers. If you played ball bro , youll realized that scoring is the most difficult instead of scoring=passing=defense like most bran stans think. Thats why you guys are wrong regarding bran coz you guys are just statnerds. Kobe is the better scorer thats why hes better same with curry/dirk. Ill build around those guys before bran
Speak English

[Da_Realist]

Can Lebron beat single coverage in the Finals, though?

[Dray n Klay]

All around only matters if the 2 are comparable scorers. If you played ball bro , youll realized that scoring is the most difficult instead of scoring=passing=defense like most bran stans think. Thats why you guys are wrong regarding bran coz you guys are just statnerds. Kobe is the better scorer thats why hes better same with curry/dirk. Ill build around those guys before bran


Its all about elite shot creation. Winners provide the most important/hardest skill to the table which is tough shot creation, while curry provides redundant skills that can be supplied easily by other players aka passing, defense, So the winners only need role players to win while curry needs superstars but still only manage 0/11. This teammate excuse is laughable at best. Magic won with old ass kareem scoring only 15ppg

[knicksman]

Speak English

Sorry brah. Im good in math so no need to prove myself unlike you bran stan whos gullible enough to be fooled by a statpadder:lol

[knicksman]

Its all about elite shot creation. Winners provide the most important/hardest skill to the table which is tough shot creation, while curry provides redundant skills that can be supplied easily by other players aka passing, defense, So the winners only need role players to win while curry needs superstars but still only manage 0/11. This teammate excuse is laughable at best. Magic won with old ass kareem scoring only 15ppg

How you doin gullible boy?

[Smoke117]

All around only matters if the 2 are comparable scorers. If you played ball bro , youll realized that scoring is the most difficult instead of scoring=passing=defense like most bran stans think. Thats why you guys are wrong regarding bran coz you guys are just statnerds. Kobe is the better scorer thats why hes better same with curry/dirk. Ill build around those guys before bran

It's a good thing you think this way (like a complete ****ing retard) since you are stuck with Carmelo Anthony...:lol

[knicksman]

It's a good thing you think this way (like a complete ****ing retard) since you are stuck with Carmelo Anthony...:lol

Its just obvious that you and other bran stans never played ball in their lives bro

[Smoke117]

Its just obvious that you and other bran stans never played ball in their lives bro

Yes...I'm a stan of a player I don't even like or never bring up...you got me. Stop being such a ****ing dimwit. And you know what? If anything...YOU NEVER PLAYED BALL IN YOUR LIFE...you don't think the fact that Jordan and Pippen were the best defensive players and two best all around players at their positions had any impact on why the Bulls were so good? You were probably some Nick Young stupid mother ****er out on the court...you certainly have his shitty basketball IQ.

[TYCRO]

And in a 1 hour special he showed why he is such a bitch.

[SwayDizzle]

And in a 1 hour special he showed why he is such a bitch.
ouch

[LilEddyCurry]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran
Career 27 points per game on 49.7% shooting... Not a good scorer :rolleyes:

[SpaceJam]

Most versatile?

He must have been the first player to have a 1k points, 500 reb, 500 ast, 100 stl, 100 blk season

Oh wait he wasn't?

BIG D^CK DRAY

[knicksman]

Yes...I'm a stan of a player I don't even like or never bring up...you got me. Stop being such a ****ing dimwit. And you know what? If anything...YOU NEVER PLAYED BALL IN YOUR LIFE...you don't think the fact that Jordan and Pippen were the best defensive players and two best all around players at their positions had any impact on why the Bulls were so good? You were probably some Nick Young stupid mother ****er out on the court...you certainly have his shitty basketball IQ.

Defense is the easiest part of this game thats why if youre elite offensively, then theres no reason you cant at the easiest part. Its all about motivation. Jordan could become pippen but not otherwise. The same is true for bran and kobe. Kobe can be bran but not otherwise thats why kobe is the better player. Kobe has achieved the highest level which is elite scoring.

[Spaulding]

Most versatile?

He must have been the first player to have a 1k points, 500 reb, 500 ast, 100 stl, 100 blk season

Oh wait he wasn't?

BIG D^CK DRAY

Lol

[Human Error]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran
I do not know if this dude is trolling or is just an idiot. Kobe is not a better scorer than Lebron, and it is much harder to win with Kobe.

[PsychoBe]

I do not know if this dude is trolling or is just an idiot. Kobe is not a better scorer than Lebron, and it is much harder to win with Kobe.

kobe = 5/7 in the finals "much harder to win with kobe"

bran = 2/6 "better scorer than kobe"

:oldlol:

[STATUTORY]

versatility don't compensate for lack of jumpshot and ability to score in isolation

[Nash]

kang
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[Nash]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran
lebron on pace to becoming the #1 in all time scoring in both playoffs and regular season yet this dude talks about him not being a good scorer
:roll:

u guys remind everyday how special lebron is

kang james

[SouBeachTalents]

kobe = 5/7 in the finals "much harder to win with kobe"

bran = 2/6 "better scorer than kobe"

:oldlol:

Kobe stans will really bring up 5/7 and act like Shaq wasn't the significantly better player for 3 of those Finals wins

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe stans will really bring up 5/7 and act like Shaq wasn't the significantly better player for 3 of those Finals wins


Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count or are tainted!!

Great logic.

[Bankaii]

Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count!!

Great logic.
2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).

[riseagainst]

Very solid player.

:applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't :oldlol:

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem has 2 FMVP's. I guess we should discount all his rings too. His first ring came while playing with a guy who was a top 5 GOAT at that point. The rest of his rings came while playing with arguably the GOAT up until that point and top 5 GOAT overall. Guess Kareem's rings do not count or are tainted!!

Great logic.

It's not about rings being "tainted", imo Kobe's first 3 rings (especially '00) don't hold the same weight or value that a true first option ring does. And since the arguments are constantly 5/7, referencing specifically the Finals, then yes, it absolutely has to be mentioned that Shaq was on a clear level above Kobe in every Finals they played, even the one they lost. The difference between Shaq & Kobe in the Finals was basically on the same level of Kobe/Gasol & Jordan/Pippen

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's not about rings being "tainted", imo Kobe's first 3 rings (especially '00) don't hold the same weight or value that a true first option ring does. And since the arguments are constantly 5/7, referencing specifically the Finals, then yes, it absolutely has to be mentioned that Shaq was on a clear level above Kobe in every Finals they played, even the one they lost. The difference between Shaq & Kobe in the Finals was basically on the same level of Kobe/Gasol & Jordan/Pippen

Yeah Kobe averaging 30ppg in the playoffs while leading his team in assist truly doesn't hold the weight of "true first options" averaging 25ppg for their championship runs

GTFO :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).


Sidecook gonna sidecook

http://media.worldbulletin.net/250x190/2011/02/12/kobethy.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

Little Mark with the signature melt? :yaohappy:

[Bankaii]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't :oldlol:

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron :oldlol:
You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.

[Lebron23]

You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.


Bankaii just destroyed themarkmadsen. Bankaii's power level is over 9,000.

[Lebron23]

Little Mark with the signature melt? :yaohappy:

Is that pot smoker still kissing Stephen Curry's Butt? He really hate LeBron. I don't know if LeBron banged his gf in high school.

[warriorfan]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't :oldlol:

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron :oldlol:

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[ShawkFactory]

Defense is the easiest part of this game thats why if youre elite offensively, then theres no reason you cant at the easiest part. Its all about motivation. Jordan could become pippen but not otherwise. The same is true for bran and kobe. Kobe can be bran but not otherwise thats why kobe is the better player. Kobe has achieved the highest level which is elite scoring.
Who would take the opinion seriously of someone who can barely formulate thoughts?

[CP3PO]

So Kobe averaged the same amount of points and more assist than Kareem while Kareem's teammate averages a 20 point triple double.. and somehow Kareem's count and Kobe's don't :oldlol:

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02. Kobe led the entire league in 4th quarter playoffs scoring for 01 and 02 playoffs

That isn't "hero and sidekick" you moron :oldlol:
Meltdown much?

[TheMarkMadsen]

You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.


how are you going to call him a sidekick when he was the leading scorer in the entire league for 4th quarter playoff scoring in 01 and 02.

How are you going to call him a sidekick when he led the team in scoring AND assist through the first three rounds of the 01 and 02 playoffs


How are you going to call him a sidekick when you he had playoff runs like this





.
..............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....


SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......
KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......




.......Percentages of team points + assists while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....


SHAQ 2001....... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 56.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 49.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 54.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......
KOBE 2001....... 58.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 57.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 60.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 63.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......



yeah total sidekick :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

here's what Phil Jackson had to say about this run at the time and not years later when he's trying to sell books


"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times," Jackson said. "So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now.
"And I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."


"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

Steve Kerr


"When he took over, it's what Michael always used to do," said Spurs reserve and ex-Bull Steve Kerr. "A team would start to come back and make a run, especially in their home building, and their fans would get behind them, and all of a sudden -- bam! -- he just sucks the air out of the place. That's what Kobe was doing."


2001 playoff Kobe had the highest +/- (a stat you bran fans love, not my flavor) in RECORDED HISTORY so like 2000. Better than any version of Shaq. Yeah but he was a sidekick right?


Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts



and lets not forget how Kobe saved the Lakers from elimination against the Spurs in 2002. 3/4 games were decided by single digits and they all came down to the finals minutes/ 4th quarter.

4th quarter scoring:

Kobe: 9ppg on 60%

Shaq: 5ppg on 33%

They get eliminated from that series and don't even make the conference finals if not for Kobe dominating the 4th, hitting game winning shots and decimating the spurs in the final half. As he did against every team during those runs.

I don't think you realize how clutch/ important was in the 4th quarter of these playoff runs

4th quarter playoff scoring 2002 playoffs:

Kobe: 8ppg on 49%

Shaq: 6ppg on 37.5%



So not only did Kobe have just as much impact IF NOT MORE than Shaq during the 2001 playoffs but he was also the certified closer in 2002, bailed the Lakers out against the Spurs, led the team in assist, averaged 27/6/5 for the run and put up 27/6/5 on 50% in the finals..

Trying to disparage those runs when he was THAT productive and that important to his team is ludicrous.. 00 he was a sidekick though.

[Bankaii]

...
Yep it's official, you're retarded, or have a really low reading comprehension.

Again, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE PLAYOFFS. If you don't win the Finals you don't get a ring.

When you say "5/7" or "5 rangz", you are talking about an accomplishment won in the FINALS.

If you want to post cherry picked stats, post stats achieved in the FINALS, where the actual championship is won.

I already posted the Finals stats, and they indicate that Kobe=sidekick.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That is your response? hilariously pathetic :oldlol:

If you read my post you might actually learn something about how much impact Kobe had on those 01 and 02 runs, especially in 01 where he was historically great throughout the playoffs.

But if you would rather cover your eyes and close your ears while screaming "Kobe sucks, teams automatically get a buy into the finals" then be my guest. I knew you wouldn't dare respond to any of those facts and numbers because that would make you look like a total moron trying to down play them

But you are doing a fine job of looking like a complete moron as it is :applause:

[Dray n Klay]

Replace Kobe with Lebron, and LeBron wins more than 5


Replace LeBron with Kobe, and Kobe doesnt win once


Thats the difference

[Bankaii]

That is your response? hilariously pathetic :oldlol:

If you read my post you might actually learn something about how much impact Kobe had on those 01 and 02 runs, especially in 01 where he was historically great throughout the playoffs.

But if you would rather cover your eyes and close your ears while screaming "Kobe sucks, teams automatically get a buy into the finals" then be my guest. I knew you wouldn't dare respond to any of those facts and numbers because that would make you look like a total moron trying to down play them

But you are doing a fine job of looking like a complete moron as it is :applause:
You keep deflecting the question so I'll ask you straight up.
Yes or no are rings won in the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs?
Yes or no are rings won in the Finals?
Yes or no does Shaq's Finals stats dwarf Kobe's?

You keep posting playoffs stats because you know Kobe was pretty shit in the Finals, where it mattered, and was clearly a sidekick.

But you'll just deflect again, say some more insults, and proceed to post smileys at your own lame jokes because even you know Kobe wasn't the guy for 3 of his rings.

[knicksman]

2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

Showtime Lakers Finals-
Kareem: 22/8/3/.8/2.6 on 52% (this is including his bad series at 40 years old)
Magic: 21/9/11/2/.2 on 54%

If you can't the difference in the two you're an idiot.

Kareem and Magic were co leading, Shaq and Kobe was hero and sidekick.
Shaq got all FMVPs and they aren't debatable. Almost all of the Showtime's FMVPs are debatable because the gap between the two is so small and Kareem should have 3 (over magic in 1980) and Magic should have 3 (over Worthy in 1988).


Bro, do you realize its you who cant see the difference? Lol

Magic accounted for 37 pts if you include assists which is the same as shaq. But thats expected from a bran stan

[knicksman]

It's not about rings being "tainted", imo Kobe's first 3 rings (especially '00) don't hold the same weight or value that a true first option ring does. And since the arguments are constantly 5/7, referencing specifically the Finals, then yes, it absolutely has to be mentioned that Shaq was on a clear level above Kobe in every Finals they played, even the one they lost. The difference between Shaq & Kobe in the Finals was basically on the same level of Kobe/Gasol & Jordan/Pippen

In the end, its who scores when it matters. Shaq wouldve been ringless if not for kobe taking over in 4th quarters. And kobe was the one who saved the season against portland in 2000.

[Lebron23]

Knicksman is getting destroyed in this thread. ISH's own punching bag.

[knicksman]

You just might be mentally retarded.

First off, RINGS ARE NOT WON IN THE 1st 3 ROUNDS OF THE PLAYOFFS, dumbass.

Why are you comparing Kobe and Kareem? That's not the point of the post.
The objective of the post was to show the major gap between Shaq and Kobe, which explains why Kobe was a sidekick.
And how Magic and Kareem were relatively 1a and 1b which is why Kareem's rings hold more weight.

Kobetards can go around saying "5/7" when Kobe was an obvious sidekick for 3 of his rings.
Look at the stats you idiot, it isn't even debatable.
If you werent an idiot, you would realize that even a first round opponent in the west is better than the finals. Thats why kobe taking over in 4th quarters in the first 3 rounds is what matters and shouldve been the one credited with rings. Besides, wade and bosh is better than having shaq so 5/7 is applicable to kobe.

[knicksman]

Knicksman is getting destroyed in this thread. ISH's own punching bag.

You cant take a real debate coz youre an idiot just like other bran stans.

[Lebron23]

You cant take a real debate coz youre an idiot just like other bran stans.

What debate? You are just trolling in this thread.

[knicksman]

I do not know if this dude is trolling or is just an idiot. Kobe is not a better scorer than Lebron, and it is much harder to win with Kobe.


Yeah, the guy who constantly gets stopped when it matters is better than the guy who constantly destroy the spurs.

[SouBeachTalents]

If you werent an idiot, you would realize that even a first round opponent in the west is better than the finals. Thats why kobe taking over in 4th quarters in the first 3 rounds is what matters and shouldve been the one credited with rings. Besides, wade and bosh is better than having shaq so 5/7 is applicable to kobe.

I'd EASILY take 2000-02 Shaq over 2011-14 Wade/Bosh

[knicksman]

What debate? You are just trolling in this thread.

You are a dumbass. Fcuk out of here

[Lebron23]

You are a dumbass. Fcuk out of here


Lebron > Kobe and the Knicks

[TheMarkMadsen]

You keep deflecting the question so I'll ask you straight up.
Yes or no are rings won in the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs?
Yes or no are rings won in the Finals?
Yes or no does Shaq's Finals stats dwarf Kobe's?

You keep posting playoffs stats because you know Kobe was pretty shit in the Finals, where it mattered, and was clearly a sidekick.

But you'll just deflect again, say some more insults, and proceed to post smileys at your own lame jokes because even you know Kobe wasn't the guy for 3 of his rings.

I'm not deflecting anything. You have yet to respond to a single stat I posted in my other post, you're not even worth the time since all you do is deflect.

If you want to keep acting like a players play through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs doesn't matter go ahead, its funny because those stats I posted are the entire playoffs, not just the first three rounds dumbass :oldlol:

can you get to the finals if you lose in any round prior? You have yet to post anything basketball related, just some ignorant narrative of "the rounds before the finals don't matter", yeah ok.. tell that to Shaq who was swept out of the playoffs before the finals for five straight years before 2000.

Going off your logic Lebron was the 3rd option on the 2011 HEAT, 3rd option in the finals = 3rd option on the team I guess so there ya go. Great logic

You're just another pathetic Kobe hater who refuses to give him any credit. I've already posted and showed facts on how he had just as much impact, if not more, than Shaq in 2001. You've yet to address that.

Keep posting about how the path to the finals is irrelevant, and how averaging 30ppg while leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring, leading your team in assist, having the best +/- in recorded history = your ring doesn't count, bum

:lol

According to you, this guys ring doesn't count


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..............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....


SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......
KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......




.......Percentages of team points + assists while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....


SHAQ 2001....... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 56.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 49.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 54.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......
KOBE 2001....... 58.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 57.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 60.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 63.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)......




you really are a special type of stupid, but I already knew that.

Kobe played really well in both the 01 and 02 finals, he led the 02 finals in 4th quarter scoring, averaging 27/6/5 on 50%, in 01 he struggled in game 1 and played well after that, leading the team in scoring for b2b games and closing out the series with a near triple double. He played great, better than PLENTY of players in certain finals who never have their rings questioned, like Duncan in 05.

[Dray n Klay]

meltdown :lol


Kobe is 12th all-time and rapidly falling

[Bankaii]

Knicksman is a fgt alt of a pathetic loser that isn't even a Knicks fan.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Jabbar/Warriorsfan.
Get a life dude, this is the last time I give you attention.

[Bankaii]

I'm not deflecting anything. You have yet to respond to a single stat I posted in my other post, you're not even worth the time since all you do is deflect.

If you want to keep acting like a players play through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs doesn't matter go ahead, its funny because those stats I posted are the entire playoffs, not just the first three rounds dumbass :oldlol:

can you get to the finals if you lose in any round prior? You have yet to post anything basketball related, just some ignorant narrative of "the rounds before the finals don't matter", yeah ok.. tell that to Shaq who was swept out of the playoffs before the finals for five straight years before 2000.

Going off your logic Lebron was the 3rd option on the 2011 HEAT, 3rd option in the finals = 3rd option on the team I guess so there ya go. Great logic

You're just another pathetic Kobe hater who refuses to give him any credit. I've already posted and showed facts on how he had just as much impact, if not more, than Shaq in 2001. You've yet to address that.

Keep posting about how the path to the finals is irrelevant, and how averaging 30ppg while leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring, leading your team in assist, having the best +/- in recorded history = your ring doesn't count, bum

:lol

According to you, this guys ring doesn't count




you really are a special type of stupid, but I already knew that.

Kobe played really well in both the 01 and 02 finals, he led the 02 finals in 4th quarter scoring, averaging 27/6/5 on 50%, in 01 he struggled in game 1 and played well after that, leading the team in scoring for b2b games and closing out the series with a near triple double. He played great, better than PLENTY of players in certain finals who never have their rings questioned, like Duncan in 05.
Where did I say the 1st 3 rounds were unimportant in the path to a ring?
The point is that the playoffs are pointless if you don't win the ring.
In the Finals Kobe was clearly a sidekick, as shown by the Finals stats I posted.

Your entire argument is based off the playoffs, which are irrelevant to FINALS play, where the ring is actually won.

You can't go a day without posting about Lebron huh?
I'll bite. If Wade would've somehow won a ring with Lebron playing like shit in 2011, could I say Lebron is just as important due to the fact that he was the best player in the playoffs?
No. Wade would get the most props becuase he would've showed up and won in the Finals, regardless of the playoffs.

Why is it so hard for you to accept this basic concept.
Finals=Ring.
Shaq>>>Kobe in the Finals.
Shaq=Batman. Kobe=Robin.

[knicksman]

Knicksman is a fgt alt of a pathetic loser that isn't even a Knicks fan.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Jabbar/Warriorsfan.
Get a life dude, this is the last time I give you attention.

Bro, you got owned so you resort to childish insults. Once again, magic accounts for 43 while kareem 28. Only a dumbass would think they are equal

[Dray n Klay]

Bro, you got owned so you resort to childish insults. Once again, magic accounts for 43 while kareem 28. Only a dumbass would think they are equal

i used to be like you, blinded by boxscores and stats. Now I understand there are skills more important than others like scoring being the most important or else the top 10 atg wouldnt be dominated by scorers. And since curry isnt the best at the most important skill and "high apg=not teamplayer/cancer"(see oscar/iverson/marbury) then its not a surprise that curry is an underachiever. I mean 2 mvps for just 0/11.

[pauk]

He is though... defensively you had Pippen... offensively you had Magic... when you think about it there was nobody who had that prominent versatility at both ends... except for Lebron...

[knicksman]

i used to be like you, blinded by boxscores and stats. Now I understand there are skills more important than others like scoring being the most important or else the top 10 atg wouldnt be dominated by scorers. And since curry isnt the best at the most important skill and "high apg=not teamplayer/cancer"(see oscar/iverson/marbury) then its not a surprise that curry is an underachiever. I mean 2 mvps for just 0/11.

Gullible:lol

[pauk]

Verstality means nothing if you arent the best at the most important skill(scoring). Quality over quantity bro. Other players could provide what bran can offer while only kobe could provide that kind of scoring. Thats why its easier to win with kobe/curry than bran

Anything means anything if it translates towards great team impact / outcome..... and for Lebron his versatility translated GOAT level team impact based on what he had to work with around him...

As far as "the most important skill" (scoring) goes, sure he isnt the best there like if you compared to Jordan or something but he aint to shabby there either... just be happy he didnt mastered pure shooting... lol... now that would not be fair...

[knicksman]

Anything means anything if it translates towards great team impact / outcome..... and for Lebron his versatility translated GOAT level team impact based on what he had to work with around him...

As far as "the most important skill" (scoring) goes, sure he isnt the best there like if you compared to Jordan or something but he aint to shabby there either... just be happy he didnt mastered pure shooting... lol... now that would not be fair...

But i prefer quality over quantity. Basketball is 5 on 5. So its easier to find players that could cover kobe or currys weakness compared to bran. Thats why its easier to build around them