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JohnMax
04-01-2016, 08:41 AM
1) Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume

The 27 shots per game that Lebron took in 2015 playoffs can't be achieved on all 3-and-D.. But unfortunately, Lebron is poor at the additional midrange and 1-on-1 required of high volume shooting - this is statistical fact - since he can't shoot well at high volume, he doesn't require/command a double team.. This is why he wasn't doubled in the 2015 Finals.. No other top 15 player has these horrible indictments on their game.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11775315&postcount=76
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11752866&postcount=172

Shot chart for his last 5 Games (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=5) confirms it

http://oi64.tinypic.com/nci6ap.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/79c7dOg.png

VengefulAngel
04-01-2016, 08:52 AM
Why did you post a photoshopped picture of you and Lebron's D, title is very appropriate.

Im Still Ballin
04-01-2016, 08:58 AM
Thanks TMZ

aj1987
04-01-2016, 09:02 AM
3&D players average 28 points 7 rebounds and 8 assists?

Gileraracer
04-01-2016, 09:31 AM
3&D players average 28 points 7 rebounds and 8 assists?

with only 4 travels and 6 stiff arm tackles a game. Impressive

aj1987
04-01-2016, 09:53 AM
with only 4 travels and 6 stiff arm tackles a game. Impressive
Your idols most memorable play was an offensive foul.

Jasper
04-01-2016, 09:59 AM
1) Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume

The 27 shots per game that Lebron took in 2015 playoffs can't be achieved on all 3-and-D.. But unfortunately, Lebron is poor at the additional midrange and 1-on-1 required of high volume shooting - this is statistical fact - since he can't shoot well at high volume, he doesn't require/command a double team.. This is why he wasn't doubled in the 2015 Finals.. No other top 15 player has these horrible indictments on their game.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11775315&postcount=76
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11752866&postcount=172

Shot chart for his last 5 Games (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=5) confirms it

http://oi64.tinypic.com/nci6ap.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/79c7dOg.png

I like your chart , Prop to u

TYCRO
04-01-2016, 10:16 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MXjwTiNCh9Y/T7DuAonjP-I/AAAAAAAABK0/ZbId5wAzqWk/s320/darth-vader-didnt-read.gif

Gileraracer
04-01-2016, 10:43 AM
Your idols most memorable play was an offensive foul.

And unlike the stiff arm move it was called :(

aj1987
04-01-2016, 11:05 AM
And unlike the stiff arm move it was called :(
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
04-01-2016, 11:14 AM
He doesnt do the 3 or the D so how does that make sense:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

SouBeachTalents
04-01-2016, 11:20 AM
Nobody could tell fakkit OP blatantly just copied one of 3ball's many, many rants?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11752853&postcount=31

Big Cheese
04-01-2016, 12:31 PM
Nobody could tell fakkit OP blatantly just copied one of 3ball's many, many rants?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11752853&postcount=31

Almost all of his post are copy and pasted from other sources. OP is a loser

ShawkFactory
04-01-2016, 02:32 PM
...what...the..fvck?

CP3PO
04-01-2016, 03:10 PM
Auto-correct failed the OP's title: LeBron is a 3-inch D player.

3ball
04-01-2016, 09:58 PM
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Efficiency at high volume - players with 25+ FGA and 45% FG


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:...... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:.... 1975
George Gervin:. 1982
Kobe Bryant:.... 2006
Elgin Baylor:.... 1963
Tiny Archibald:. 1973
Dominique:...... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:..... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:.......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:.......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:....... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:............ 1966
Rick Barry:............ 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:.. 1995
Kobe Bryant:.......... 2007
Dominique:............ 1988
Allen Iverson:......... 2005
Kareem Jabbar:...... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


Notice that Lebron is not on the list - the 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team) (see 3rd paragraph in section on Curry for double-teaming data).. Compare that to MJ, where his efficient high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the REAL holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the efficient high volume must be achieved within the team concept.. Only 2 players have reached this holy grail of basketball skill (25 shot attempts on 45% during a championship playoff run): MJ did it 4 times (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem once (1995).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.

Now lets look at Lebron - wouldn't it be nice for Lebron to score 20% more on better efficiency????... Isn't that what any fan would want of their favorite player??.. Well that's what Jordan DID (see the stats below).

If Kobe or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume:


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg


Considering the #2 thru #4 guys are between 32 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is at 43.3 points, which far above the pack and in another tier - MJ simply did more (higher volume) while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.