Wait... which Finals did Kobe have better than LeBrons 2015?

[Dray n Klay]

??


All the criticism LeBron gets for averaging 36/13/9 on 40%, which Finals did Kobe have that was better?




Considering Kobe shoots 40% in every finals by itself, there's not much to go on.






So why so much hate? Is it because naturally a Top 3 player gets held to a much higher standard than a Top 12?:wtf:

[Lebronxrings]

none.


Lebron>kobe no doubt.

[theaussieguy]

The only time I consider Lebron an all time great player was the 2012-2013 season during miamis unbeaten streak where he was averaging over 60% from the field. People forget quickly but that shit was insane and I am a certified Lebron hater, maybe because he got lazy and regressed so much. But the reality is if you lose ur stats don't mean shit

[Lebronxrings]

The only time I consider Lebron an all time great player was the 2012-2013 season during miamis unbeaten streak where he was averaging over 60% from the field. People forget quickly but that shit was insane and I am a certified Lebron hater, maybe because he got lazy and regressed so much. But the reality is if you lose ur stats don't mean shit
:facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

39%.

Countless chokes in the 4th.

Froze teammates out.

Lost the series.

[Dray n Klay]

39%.

Countless chokes in the 4th.

Froze teammates out.

Lost the series.


Exactly, 2004 Kobe was horrible




Thanks for pointing it out, Justin

[stalkerforlife]

Exactly, 2004 Kobe was horrible




Thanks for pointing it out, Justin

:biggums:

[MP.Trey]

Exactly, 2004 Kobe was horrible




Thanks for pointing it out, Justin
:oldlol:

[ballinhun8]

Who cares. He lost.



No one remembers second place.

[Chokefree]

??


All the criticism LeBron gets for averaging 36/13/9 on 40%, which Finals did Kobe have that was better?




Considering Kobe shoots 40% in every finals by itself, there's not much to go on.






So why so much hate? Is it because naturally a Top 3 player gets held to a much higher standard than a Top 12?:wtf:

Top 3 but still 2/6? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

Top 3 but still 2/6? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Nursing degree but still work in Mcdonalds??:roll: :roll: :roll:

[JT123]

None :(

[alanLA92]

Already trying to defend 2/7 three months early. Nice.

[ISHGoat]

Nursing degree but still work in Mcdonalds??:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Spurs m8]

I love that people rate Brons 2015 finals performance when he was the soul reason his team lost.

Dumbest ****s out

[GrapeApe]

I love that people rate Brons 2015 finals performance when he was the soul reason his team lost.

Dumbest ****s out

What? :oldlol:

Remove Lebron and the Cavs get swept. I do think his numbers are a bit overrated, but that team had no business winning 2 games.

[LBJFTW]

Already trying to defend 2/7 three months early. Nice.

What else is Simon going to do? He's backed himself into a corner and lebron has become an afterthought despite playing on the most expensive team in the league. 2/7 is inevitable.

[alanLA92]

What? :oldlol:

Remove Lebron and the Cavs get swept. I do think his numbers are a bit overrated, but that team had no business winning 2 games.

Warriors didn't play up to their potential in the first half of the series. They had a slow start just like in the Grizzlies one.

[knicksman]

Spell Gullible?


S I M O N:lol

[COnDEMnED]

The ones he won.

[SouBeachTalents]

The ones he won.

Especially this one

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

[stalkerforlife]

Especially this one

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

He was intentionally hurt by Rose and you know that, troll.

[SpecialQue]

All of them you worthless fvcking piece of shit.

[COnDEMnED]

Especially this one

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html
It's pretty cut and dry. Finals wins are better than finals losses. Ipso facto, all of Kobe's finals wins are better than Lebron's 2015 finals loss. The same would be said for ANYONE who won the finals, not just Kobe.

[Dray n Klay]

It's pretty cut and dry. Finals wins are better than finals losses. Ipso facto, all of Kobe's finals wins are better than Lebron's 2015 finals loss. The same would be said for ANYONE who won the finals, not just Kobe.

All of Horry's Finals wins are better than Kobe's Finals losses?

[stalkerforlife]

It's pretty cut and dry. Finals wins are better than finals losses. Ipso facto, all of Kobe's finals wins are better than Lebron's 2015 finals loss. The same would be said for ANYONE who won the finals, not just Kobe.

Bran and his Branvestites would rather have cool looking box scores and losses than wins with lesser stats.

And that's real talk.

[COnDEMnED]

All of Horry's Finals wins are better than Kobe's Finals losses?
Wins are better than losses. You figure it out from there.

[Dray n Klay]

Wins are better than losses. You figure it out from there.

So in other words, you're a retard


Good to know.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. People still use the Jalen Rose injury against him 2000? Lmao. Dude was intentionally hurt. It's a fact


Lebron cramps up and has to get carried off the court like a bitch en route to the biggest finals slaughter in NBA History on national television. That's cool doe :lol

[COnDEMnED]

So in other words, you're a retard


Good to know.
Truthfully, I'd be more offended if you agreed with me. Alarm bells would be ringing in my psyche. The fact you think I'm retarded is reassuring that I'm not only right, but in a fantastic place in life. Oh what a time to be retired at 30.

[imdaman99]

All of a sudden, Lebron stans look the other way on FG%? :hammerhead:

[Mr Feeny]

All of a sudden, Lebron stans look the other way on FG%? :hammerhead:

Why don't you answer the simple question?:lol
Lettuce compare :lebronamazed:

[knicksman]

Why don't you answer the simple question?:lol
Lettuce compare :lebronamazed:

2/6<<5/7:confusedshrug:

too easy

[stalkerforlife]

Feeny getting raped in this thread.

[AintNoSunshine]

It's common knowledge within the basketball community that Kobe is a horrendous Finals performer, OP you don't need to rub it in.

Kang James on the other hand is one of the best.

[Gileraracer]

Lebron didn't even have 40%.

[SexSymbol]

bron's 15 performance is lowkey worst all time for any superstar ever.
Played only one game that could be considered good and one that was barely decent.

[raprap]

bron's 15 performance is lowkey worst all time for any superstar ever.
Played only one game that could be considered good and one that was barely decent.
The sad thing is you completely believe the shit you're spewing.

[SexSymbol]

The sad thing is you completely believe the shit you're spewing.
It's not shit, I'm a basketball coach, I know what drives the team, what helps it and what not.
The complete lack of any effort on defense by bron and his abysmal offensive output combined with the absolute selfish demeanor was lowkey the worst performance ever.
He didn't even hurt his team as much in 11 and that's saying something.
Come back when you start understanding basketball and not just the pts-reb-ast statistical categories.

[raprap]

It's not shit, I'm a basketball coach, I know what drives the team, what helps it and what not.
The complete lack of any effort on defense by bron and his abysmal offensive output combined with the absolute selfish demeanor was lowkey the worst performance ever.
He didn't even hurt his team as much in 11 and that's saying something.
Come back when you start understanding basketball and not just the pts-reb-ast statistical categories.
Selfish demeanor? Lol his 2nd and 3rd option were injured. You want him to trust shump or jr to make plays? LeBron didn't shoot well but i think he did his best on what he was given.

Tell me what the cavs should have done to win more than 2 games with a 7 man rotation.

I'm all ears "coach" :rolleyes:

[IncarceratedBob]

the point of the nba finals is to win not to tally up gaudy numbers

[nba_55]

the point of the nba finals is to win not to tally up gaudy numbers

So Jordan is a complete loser with Pippen?

[MP.Trey]

I love that people rate Brons 2015 finals performance when he was the soul reason his team lost.

Dumbest ****s out
Agreed. Delly, TT & J.R. Smith could have won that series of LeBron wasn't there.

[34-24 Footwork]

It's common knowledge within the basketball community that Kobe is a horrendous Finals performer, OP you don't need to rub it in.

Kang James on the other hand is one of the best.

Basketball community = you and a bunch of other 18 year Olds who never saw kobe play.

[ballinhun8]

It's common knowledge within the basketball community that Kobe is a horrendous Finals performer, OP you don't need to rub it in.

Kang James on the other hand is one of the best.


Terrible lies on both your stances.


But what else is new.

[Dray n Klay]

So... 3 pages in and ironically no Kobe Stan can pinpoint a Finals Kobe was better :roll:






These Stans keep beating around the bush but are shook, we all know Shaq is the only reason Kobe ended up in the Top 12

[Vertical-24]

It's common knowledge within the basketball community that Kobe is a horrendous Finals performer, OP you don't need to rub it in.

Kang James on the other hand is one of the best.

Can't be one of the best with a losing Finals record. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, and even Wade are a tier above Bron in that aspect. LBJ is still an all-time great but just like Mamba, not an all-time great Finals performer.

[Dray n Klay]

Can't be one of the best with a losing Finals record. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, and even Wade are a tier above Bron in that aspect. LBJ is still an all-time great but just like Mamba, not an all-time great Finals performer.


Wait... So you're saying Kobe's a better Finals performer than Jerry West?? :roll: :roll:

[nba_55]

Can't be one of the best with a losing Finals record. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, and even Wade are a tier above Bron in that aspect. LBJ is still an all-time great but just like Mamba, not an all-time great Finals performer.

It's easier to have a winning finals record when your team is the favorite to win almost all the times you make the finals. Lebron's teams were favored 2 times or 3 at max ( 2011, 2013 and possibly 2014 ( i doubt it, i don't remeber the narrative before those finals)).

[COnDEMnED]

Wait... So you're saying Kobe's a better Finals performer than Jerry West?? :roll: :roll:
Kobe beat the Celtics in the finals, something Jerry failed to do over and over. If you don't win, you didn't perform. 5>1, 5>2, 6>5, 11>6.
I thought soft looking nerds with glasses were supposed to be smart.

Let me put it in words a virgin could understand.

Here's the scenario.

You finally found a woman to have pity sex with you. She has mental disabilities, or however you pulled it off. You shove your limp worm in with your thumb because you discover that not only are you dysfunctional, but so is your peniz. You gyrate back and fourth hoping for a miracle growth. It doesn't happen. The woman has Bell's palsy. On the side of her face that works, she asks, "Are you in"? She kicks you off, asks you to feed her dozen cats on the way out, and asks you to lose her number.

In this situation, you got to the vahginah ( the finals ) and you didn't perform. Also, you're still a virgin.

[nba_55]

Kobe beat the Celtics in the finals, something Jerry failed to do over and over. If you don't win, you didn't perform. 5>1, 5>2, 6>5, 11>6.
I thought soft looking nerds with glasses were supposed to be smart.

Let me put it in words a virgin could understand.

Here's the scenario.

You finally found a woman to have pity sex with you. She has mental disabilities, or however you pulled it off. You shove your limp worm in with your thumb because you discover that not only are you dysfunctional, but so is your peniz. You gyrate back and fourth hoping for a miracle growth. It doesn't happen. The woman has Bell's palsy. On the side of her face that works, she asks, "Are you in"? She kicks you off, asks you to feed her dozen cats on the way out, and asks you to lose her number.

In this situation, you got to the vahginah ( the finals ) and you didn't perform. Also, you're still a virgin.

The problem is that you re ranking players using strictly team accomplishments, you ignore all the individual parts. With your logic, David Lee is better than Durant. If you can't see that there's something wrong with your logic and that David Lee is not better than guys like Barkley, Durant, Malone, then you are a lost cause.

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe beat the Celtics in the finals, something Jerry failed to do over and over. If you don't win, you didn't perform. 5>1, 5>2, 6>5, 11>6.
I thought soft looking nerds with glasses were supposed to be smart.

Let me put it in words a virgin could understand.

Here's the scenario.

You finally found a woman to have pity sex with you. She has mental disabilities, or however you pulled it off. You shove your limp worm in with your thumb because you discover that not only are you dysfunctional, but so is your peniz. You gyrate back and fourth hoping for a miracle growth. It doesn't happen. The woman has Bell's palsy. On the side of her face that works, she asks, "Are you in"? She kicks you off, asks you to feed her dozen cats on the way out, and asks you to lose her number.

In this situation, you got to the vahginah ( the finals ) and you didn't perform. Also, you're still a virgin.


Damn, you sound like a butthurt fgt who's upset his favourite player barely made the Top 12 all-time with all the hype, publicity, brainwashed fans, free rings, carried, yet barely the 12th best player ever :roll: :roll:



But keep melting down, West > Kobe btw

[Dray n Klay]

Think about it, Kobe won 5 rings yet most people don't even consider him a Top 12 player. That tells you how little impact he had in his championships. :oldlol:

[3ball]

If Kobe ever let a 7 ppg role player be > Curry, he'd have exactly 0 rings.

/thread

[COnDEMnED]

The problem is that you re ranking players using strictly team accomplishments, you ignore all the individual parts. With your logic, David Lee is better than Durant. If you can't see that there's something wrong with your logic and that David Lee is not better than guys like Barkley, Durant, Malone, then you are a lost cause.
I'm answering the questions strictly with the criteria in the OP thread title. Not using my brain, logic, history, or context. I'm aware he's a lost cause, being more than half way to the 40 year old virgin.

[COnDEMnED]

Damn, you sound like a butthurt fgt who's upset his favourite player barely made the Top 12 all-time with all the hype, publicity, brainwashed fans, free rings, carried, yet barely the 12th best player ever :roll: :roll:



But keep melting down, West > Kobe btw
Kobe is far from my favorite Laker. How cute you think any of those things you listed about Kobe affect me whatsoever. Rank him 50th for all I care. My loyalty is to the brand, not the player. In that case, how can you beat someone like me in any argument? You'd have to be a Celtics fan. You can't.:eek:

[Mr Feeny]

Think about it, Kobe won 5 rings yet most people don't even consider him a Top 12 player. That tells you how little impact he had in his championships. :oldlol:

Too 13
Curry is about to leave him in dust. Within a month he's gonna have 2 rings as lead dog and multiple mvps:rockon: That's more than Kobe has:rockon:

[Nick Young]

2-4

/thread

[Nick Young]

Too 13
Curry is about to leave him in dust. Within a month he's gonna have 2 rings as lead dog and multiple mvps:rockon: That's more than Kobe has:rockon:
Get back to me when Curry scores 81 points, let alone breaks 70 XD

[Dray n Klay]

Get back to me when Curry scores 81 points, let alone breaks 70 XD


LOL get back to me when Curry misses the playoffs in his prime, like 2005 Kobe :lol



Kobe finna be Ranked 13th soon :rockon: Ironically equivalent to his draft number

[3ball]

If Kobe's defense ever allowed a 7 ppg role player be > Curry, he'd have exactly 0 rings.


Lebron fans ignore this truth ^^^

If Iggy scores 7 ppg like he's supposed to, the Cavs win, even though Lebron shot 39% against single-coverage..

THAT'S how vulnerable the Warriors are with their 3-point-or-nothing style.
.

[Mr Feeny]

Get back to me when Curry scores 81 points, let alone breaks 70 XD

Get back to me when Kobe shoots 47% for a season.
Get back to me when Kobe has multiple mvps.
Get back to me when Kobe leads his team to 70+ wins in a season.

:lebronamazed:

[3ball]

Get back to me when Kobe shoots 47% for a season.
Get back to me when Kobe has multiple mvps.
Get back to me when Kobe leads his team to 70+ wins in a season.



............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)

SHAQ 2000....... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 39.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 43.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 35.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 26.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2002....... 33.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 35.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 28.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 23.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2002....... 30.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 31.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 27.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
KOBE 2008....... 31.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 41.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2009... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
LEBRON 2012... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)



In addition to a greater offensive load, Jordan's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's - this is especially true against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense)... Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.
.

[Vertical-24]

Wait... So you're saying Kobe's a better Finals performer than Jerry West?? :roll: :roll:

Yes.
:sleeping

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes.
:sleeping

Ridiculous, Finals record be damned, West is arguably a top 3 Finals performer of all time

1962: 31/5/3 on 46%
1963: 30/7/5 on 49%
1965: 34/6/3 on 42%
1966: 34/6/5 on 52%
1968: 31/6/6 on 49%
1969: 38/5/7 on 49%
1970: 31/3/8 on 45%

He didn't win because he had to go up against the most dominant dynasty in league history. Individually, he was brilliant, and certainly better in the Finals than Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe beat the Celtics in the finals, something Jerry failed to do over and over. If you don't win, you didn't perform. 5>1, 5>2, 6>5, 11>6.

Some of the worst logic I've ever heard. Basketball is a TEAM sport, you can't judge a player solely based on what his team accomplished, it's absurd. So West averages just shy of 40 ppg in the '69 Finals, drops a 42/13/12 triple double in Game 7, but he individually didn't perform? Just asinine

[COnDEMnED]

Some of the worst logic I've ever heard. Basketball is a TEAM sport, you can't judge a player solely based on what his team accomplished, it's absurd. So West averages just shy of 40 ppg in the '69 Finals, drops a 42/13/12 triple double in Game 7, but he individually didn't perform? Just asinine
This thread is about that terrible logic. That's why I used it and flipped it on its stupid head. He asked if any of Kobe's finals are better than a finals Bronze lost. This thread isn't meant for logic. Since it's a team sport, this thread is null and void then, correct? Trust me when I say OP isn't smarter than me. I'm simply beating him at his own game. Which isn't hard to do. I'm using him as a pawn for my own amusement. You combat trolling with better and more refined trolling. Nothing more, nothing less.

[warriorfan]

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Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron turns them into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance.

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. The reason is twofold (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12056301&postcount=60).
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[Mr. Jabbar]

he won 5 of them for starters

[Bankaii]

Lebron fans ignore this truth ^^^

If Iggy scores 7 ppg like he's supposed to, the Cavs win, even though Lebron shot 39% against single-coverage..

THAT'S how vulnerable the Warriors are with their 3-point-or-nothing style.
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Lebron didn't gaurd Iggy for the majority of the series dipshit.

[3ball]

Lebron didn't gaurd Iggy for the majority of the series dipshit.



Yes he did and he got destroyed by a role player - highlight after highlight - for the 2nd Finals in a row


https://media.giphy.com/media/7ksUtNaXs6N4k/giphy.gif

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Lebron can't stop a 7 ppg role player, let alone Jordan
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[warriorfan]

Yes he did and he got destroyed - just like in 2014 Finals


https://media.giphy.com/media/7ksUtNaXs6N4k/giphy.gif

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Lebron can't stop a 7 ppg role player, let alone Jordan

Half those gifs LeBron doesn't even contest...Dude looks like James Harden out there...

[Bankaii]

Cherry picked bullshit.
Gif 1 is a fast break.
Gif 2 is a fast break.
Gif 3 is a trap on the GOAT shooter and Mozgoz didn't rotate.
Gif 4 Lebron switch to guard the wide open GOAT shooter and his teammates didn't pickup his man.
Gif 5 was bad defense.
Gif 6 was miscommunication because Lebron was originally gaurding Barnes but I'll give you that, bad defense.
Gif 7 was decent defense with no help defense from his teammates.

So you could only find 7 gifs and over half of them Lebron isn't even guarding Iggy.
If you watched the series, Blatt put Mozgov on Iggy and have him the Rondo treatment.
But of course you wouldn't know that, you don't watch the games you cherry picking bitch.

And midget Gary Payton made Jordan his bitch.
Lebron would probably make Jordan retire again if he gaurded him. While dropping a 30 point triple double.