Why didn't the Bucks improve from last year?

[Fire Colangelo]

I obviously don't watch a lot of Bucks games so I don't really know what's going on but...

They cracked 40+ wins and got into the playoffs last season with a REALLY young core while giving the Bulls a pretty tough series....

Now they're sitting at 30~ wins.... even though the core of Giannis/Middleton/Parker were supposed to improve (and they did). They also added Greg Monroe who was supposed to give them a push in the East.

Is it the injuries...?

What happened?

Giannis is looking beastly lately... but they're still losing.

[chips93]

monroe ruined their defense, and they miss brandon knight, badley. they werent that good last year after having traded him.

[Vancouver-Grizz]

I think next year will be better for them....

MCW is basically done in Milwaukee. Greek boy will be running the show and Parker has shown great scoring abilities. Middleton is solid.

They should build off that core and Monroe and MCW probably gonna walk. Monroe saved the Knicks from another disaster FA signing. ROLO in my opinion is a better servicable center man then Monroe.

[Nick Young]

Monroe made them worse+injuries to key players+bad coaching+bad GM

[alanLA92]

Jason Kidd isn't a good coach. Don't let last year fool you on that.

[Jasper]

monroe ruined their defense, and they miss brandon knight, badley. they werent that good last year after having traded him.


Glad someone saw the difference from a Brandon Knight Bucks team and a MCW pg team.

Monroe was a nice pickup , but he doesn't fit what the Bucks do on their front line.
That being said , Plumlee is a real nice fit , if they don't run at Whiteside.

Because Bayless was injuried for about 1/2 the season , it affected the bench play as well as him starting in place of MCW.

The season started slow for the Bucks , and that was the nail in the grave coffin.
This is a team that needs to win at least 50% of their games going into the All-Star game to have a legit chance in positioning for the playoffs.
I still believe Brandon Knight was a terrible trade.

[Nash]

inb4 somebody blames MCW

[Milbuck]

Brandon Knight f*cking sucks. People need to stop with that crap. The only way we screwed up that trade was taking MCW instead of the Lakers pick. But make no mistake, I would do that trade a thousand times over if only it means the Bucks aren't the team paying Knight 70 million. It's not a coincidence that most Phoenix fans now despise him too.

The real losses were Zaza and Dudley. Two awesome role players and vet leaders who knew their job and guided the young guys. We're just way too young right now, our rotation last game had an average age of 23 years old. Monroe was also a screwup, but I'm not even mad about that, we got him as a free agent and will get assets for him in a trade, it was a good acquisition in that regard.

All that matters is that Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton look like beasts/beasts in the making. I'm fine waiting a year.

[HurricaneKid]

Brandon Knight f*cking sucks. People need to stop with that crap. The only way we screwed up that trade was taking MCW instead of the Lakers pick. But make no mistake, I would do that trade a thousand times over if only it means the Bucks aren't the team paying Knight 70 million. It's not a coincidence that most Phoenix fans now despise him too.

The real losses were Zaza and Dudley. Two awesome role players and vet leaders who knew their job and guided the young guys. We're just way too young right now, our rotation last game had an average age of 23 years old. Monroe was also a screwup, but I'm not even mad about that, we got him as a free agent and will get assets for him in a trade, it was a good acquisition in that regard.

All that matters is that Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton look like beasts/beasts in the making. I'm fine waiting a year.

Spot on. Wish I could rep.

[tamaraw08]

Monroe made them worse+injuries to key players+bad coaching+bad GM

Kidd is the biggest pretender ever, got exposed ever since Brandon Knight got traded.

[HylianNightmare]

Because Greg Monroe

[tamaraw08]

Brandon Knight f*cking sucks. People need to stop with that crap. The only way we screwed up that trade was taking MCW instead of the Lakers pick. But make no mistake, I would do that trade a thousand times over if only it means the Bucks aren't the team paying Knight 70 million. It's not a coincidence that most Phoenix fans now despise him too.

The real losses were Zaza and Dudley. Two awesome role players and vet leaders who knew their job and guided the young guys. We're just way too young right now, our rotation last game had an average age of 23 years old. Monroe was also a screwup, but I'm not even mad about that, we got him as a free agent and will get assets for him in a trade, it was a good acquisition in that regard.

All that matters is that Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton look like beasts/beasts in the making. I'm fine waiting a year.

Wow, really? Zaza and Dudley will also be fishing after the regular season.
What is the record of the Bucks with and without Knight again?
What is the record of Kidd without Knight or Pierce ?
Brandon gave them 18 pts and 5 assists.
The main reason his current team is struggling is because their 2nd best player has been injured since way back when.

[Sportal]

Anyone who thinks Brandon Knight will be a part of/catalyst of anything successful in basketball needs to go back to football, or whatever other sport that they also follow part-time.

[Milbuck]

Wow, really? Zaza and Dudley will also be fishing after the regular season.
What is the record of the Bucks with and without Knight again?
What is the record of Kidd without Knight or Pierce ?
Brandon gave them 18 pts and 5 assists.
The main reason his current team is struggling is because their 2nd best player has been injured since way back when.No, the main reason his current team is struggling is because he gets his numbers like the me-first turd he is and makes literally no one around him better.

I'm sure Phoenix fans are talking out of their ass too:

Milbuck was right, Knight sucks

He looks for his own shots over everything else
He kills the offense
He got bad IQ and vision for a player supposedly playing PG
He don't bother playing defense
He leads the league in being crossed (i would think so)
He got a thin frame which doesn't helps cover his non-existent defense
He's bad down the stretch in close games

Devin Booker on the other hand dominating with his high level Bball IQ.
Kid's a better PG than Knight, which is sad

He's a goddamn pick up game player. I hope Suns send him packing asap.
He sucks.


I'm so done with this dumb box score watcher argument. The reason we fell off after the all-star break last year was because the entirety of our bench was broken down/exhausted. And then in the summer we just gave away rotation players like Za, Duds, Ersan for basically nothing and signed an awful fitting center. Knight flat out is not a winning player, dude is irrelevant.

[Done_And_Done]

Wow, really? Zaza and Dudley will also be fishing after the regular season.
What is the record of the Bucks with and without Knight again?
What is the record of Kidd without Knight or Pierce ?
Brandon gave them 18 pts and 5 assists.
The main reason his current team is struggling is because their 2nd best player has been injured since way back when.

Both are well respected and very serviceable role players. Whether they make the playoffs or not, certainly isn't a reflection upon them. The onus lies on the team as a collective.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Why the Knight love on this site? The team that gave him the fat contract not even a year ago doesn't even want him anymore.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Isnt it obvious they miss their borderline all star, the heart, the soul of the team Brandon Knight

He was flourishing as one of the best guards (if not the best) guard in the eastern conference

Then they traded him for freaking MCW of all people and started losing. Do you know what that does to the psychology of players? No doubt his teammates loved him and you trade him for a bag of peanuts

[FreezingTsmoove]

Why the Knight love on this site? The team that gave him the fat contract not even a year ago doesn't even want him anymore.

He just doesnt fit their system. He fit into Milwaukee very nicely

[FireDavidKahn]

Why the Knight love on this site? The team that gave him the fat contract not even a year ago doesn't even want him anymore.
Yet they are worse off:facepalm

[livingby3's]

No, the main reason his current team is struggling is because he gets his numbers like the me-first turd he is and makes literally no one around him better.

I'm sure Phoenix fans are talking out of their ass too:



I'm so done with this dumb box score watcher argument. The reason we fell off after the all-star break last year was because the entirety of our bench was broken down/exhausted. And then in the summer we just gave away rotation players like Za, Duds, Ersan for basically nothing and signed an awful fitting center. Knight flat out is not a winning player, dude is irrelevant.

Well you didn't have to quote me there :oldlol:

but yeah, Knight sucks and is, at best a 6 man on any team.
Dude contributes nothing when his shot ain't falling. He throws a few alley opp here and there but that doesn't make him a good playmaker.
He cant play on the other end of the court either.

If he ever steals minutes from Booker he should be arrested for theft

[GOATJono]

Fire Kidd, get Thibodeau.

[Xover]

I'm inclined to say Knight sucks for all the above reasons but in his defense he's been playing under Hornaceck who basically was trying to run a modified version of SSOL and when the initial play broke down it was ISO time and feed the hot hand. That gave Knight the green light to be doing whatever the hell he does. I'd say the coach is as much to blame as Knight but we can't make an accurate evaluation until we see him play in proper system

[k0kakw0rld]

Jason Kidd isn't a good coach. Don't let last year fool you on that.
Elaborate genius, don't just talk out of your monkey ass

[CarlosBoozer]

why kidd sucks?

[JtotheIzzo]

All that matters is that Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton look like beasts/beasts in the making. I'm fine waiting a year.

they gotta move one or two of them though, too many redundant pieces.

[ISHGoat]

they gotta move one or two of them though, too many redundant pieces.

Not really, they are about the same size but all three have different offensive games that seem to mesh quite well.

Middleton is a spot up shooter and play finisher.
Giannis is more like a freakishly long Westbrook with a worse jumpshot.
Jabari can play down low, be a slasher, and also finish from the perimeter.

They should build around these three guys and try to develop their games. Defensively, Giannis and Middleton are already lockdown defenders. Just need to keep building body strength and get better as a team.

[Jasper]

Ingis is a great stopper , and the big three will mold around a legit PG and Plumlee. I still feel that they would be an istant threat if they get Whiteside , because of his defense and rebounding.

But their PG situation has to have a legit three point shot.
Bayless is a wonderful backup , but they are 1-2 pieces away from a legit young team.

I do not like Giannis with full time duties, but I like him running the team 1/3 of the game.

I do not know if Kidd has introduced DEFENSE to this team , but from one year to the next it looks like it is lost.

[MMM]

haven't watched the bucks much, but Monroe could be a salvageable signing if they brought him off the bench which is easier said then done due to egos.

[HurricaneKid]

I do not like Giannis with full time duties, but I like him running the team 1/3 of the game.

I do not know if Kidd has introduced DEFENSE to this team , but from one year to the next it looks like it is lost.

Giannis still has a few idiosyncrasies that need to be ironed out. But he is a year younger than Buddy Hield and only turned 21 during this season. If you plot out his growth and guess where he is going to be in 4-5 years, you ABSOLUTELY want to run the offense through him THE ENTIRE GAME. For the Bucks its about putting guys in the positions they are going to excel in 3 years from now. And for Giannis there is no question that is running pt forward.

Kidd doesn't do anything with the defense. Sweeney is the defensive coach. And they were special last year. And with Giannis and his length lurking they should be special again. But Jabari has had some rough moments defensively (improving greatly), Monroe has been a nightmare, and Henson and Mayo have missed the bulk of the season (defensive specialist). Coupled with the loss of Zaza and Dudley, its been a trainwreck on that side of the ball.

But that affords them a final lottery pick to either pair with Monroe and MCW to add a real player or hopefully find another piece in the draft to build for the future.

Also, Giannis and Jabari both played every minute in the 2nd half last night and have been asked to play insane minutes the last month. Their bench is AWFUL. They should just be playing them 35min and losing more games.

[Jasper]

Call it old school , but a 6'3" guard , guarding Giannis in the back court , while giannis is trying to bring the ball up to 1/2 court , will have issues.

Quicker guards will pick his pocket.

He would be good in transitions , but even fast breaks I would give him 50% of advancing the ball , or getting his pocket picked.

AS a PG , that is terrible offense - ITS CALLED TURNOVERS and easy baskets.

In the current NBA 5 turnovers at the PG spot usually means a lose.

[HurricaneKid]

Call it old school , but a 6'3" guard , guarding Giannis in the back court , while giannis is trying to bring the ball up to 1/2 court , will have issues.

Quicker guards will pick his pocket.

He would be good in transitions , but even fast breaks I would give him 50% of advancing the ball , or getting his pocket picked.

AS a PG , that is terrible offense - ITS CALLED TURNOVERS and easy baskets.

In the current NBA 5 turnovers at the PG spot usually means a lose.

You haven't been watching Giannis in the open court. If the game slows to a halfcourt game and there is an extremely pesky defender they will just have someone else bring it up and get it to him in the half court to start an offense. And LOL at a 6'3" player defending him. He posts up big 4s like ZBo and humiliates them with his quickness. You want a PG to have to defend him on the block? LOL. Good luck with that.

KD has had 5+ TOs in 4 of his last 5 games. And he isn't even the primary ball handler. Giannis has had 6 such games on the season. Since the ASB he has had about 50% fewer TOs than KD and about 50% MORE assts. I'm not saying it isn't a concern. I'm saying for a kid that just turned 21, its going much more smoothly than was expected.

[Fire Colangelo]

Brandon Knight f*cking sucks. People need to stop with that crap. The only way we screwed up that trade was taking MCW instead of the Lakers pick. But make no mistake, I would do that trade a thousand times over if only it means the Bucks aren't the team paying Knight 70 million. It's not a coincidence that most Phoenix fans now despise him too.

The real losses were Zaza and Dudley. Two awesome role players and vet leaders who knew their job and guided the young guys. We're just way too young right now, our rotation last game had an average age of 23 years old. Monroe was also a screwup, but I'm not even mad about that, we got him as a free agent and will get assets for him in a trade, it was a good acquisition in that regard.

All that matters is that Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton look like beasts/beasts in the making. I'm fine waiting a year.

I don't like Brandon Knight either.... he's one of those players that'll play really well on his contract year and fk you over for the next 5 years once you resign him.

But there's no doubt that the Bucks were playing better with him than with MCW.... dude was getting all star mentions at one point, that's gota count for something.

What do you think the Bucks will/should do this summer?

[Milbuck]

I don't like Brandon Knight either.... he's one of those players that'll play really well on his contract year and fk you over for the next 5 years once you resign him.

But there's no doubt that the Bucks were playing better with him than with MCW.... dude was getting all star mentions at one point, that's gota count for something.

What do you think the Bucks will/should do this summer?
All-star mentions are entirely related to box score stats and team success though, which is what I'm talking about. We won because of our nasty defense and awesome bench and Knight got to put up his numbers. The reason we fell off was because guys like Dudley and Zaza completely broke down after the break, really most of the team besides Giannis and Middleton did.

Dude is putting up even better numbers now than he did with us, and what's Phoenix looking like without a defense or bench like last year's Bucks? Headed to potentially the #1 pick. His numbers are extremely hollow and in many cases he actually holds back a lot of players. Just a really dumb player who fools people with his box scores, but make no mistake his impact is completely mediocre.

As for this summer..Kidd has said Giannis at point forward is a permanent thing, so I think we build around that. Get some 3&D guys, if I'm not mistaken he likes Delly, wouldn't be surprised if we threw an offer at him to be that 3&D PG. I'm almost positive we trade Monroe for bench depth. The core trio of GA/Jabari/Middleton is set so we just gotta get shooters and defenders around them.

[Fire Colangelo]

All-star mentions are entirely related to box score stats and team success though, which is what I'm talking about. We won because of our nasty defense and awesome bench and Knight got to put up his numbers. The reason we fell off was because guys like Dudley and Zaza completely broke down after the break, really most of the team besides Giannis and Middleton did.

Dude is putting up even better numbers now than he did with us, and what's Phoenix looking like without a defense or bench like last year's Bucks? Headed to potentially the #1 pick. His numbers are extremely hollow and in many cases he actually holds back a lot of players. Just a really dumb player who fools people with his box scores, but make no mistake his impact is completely mediocre.

As for this summer..Kidd has said Giannis at point forward is a permanent thing, so I think we build around that. Get some 3&D guys, if I'm not mistaken he likes Delly, wouldn't be surprised if we threw an offer at him to be that 3&D PG. I'm almost positive we trade Monroe for bench depth. The core trio of GA/Jabari/Middleton is set so we just gotta get shooters and defenders around them.

True, Greg Monroe should still have decent value, same with MCW.

I think these guys would be great on the Bucks:

Conley
Delly
Biyombo
Crabbe to replace Mayo off the bench
Teletovic

But then again, do you guys wanna sign role players this year given the salary cap jumps?